> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:29:58 -0500, Larry Moore
> <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>> On 2012-10-03, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 10-02-12 8:46 AM, larry wrote:
>>>> On 02/10/12 09:58 AM, Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>>> But we knew about the fish, and it was a strategic place in the Great
>>>>> Game, which was well under way at that time. And anyway, just for
>>>>> tidiness' sake.
>>>>> Lesley.
>>>> I think the {CT}{sz}ar would have loved to see the UK overextend their
>>>> supply lines.
>>> Overextend how? We were about to acquire BC officially instead of just
>>> de facto, and we already had everything else in between all three coasts
>>> (in among? Doesn't sound right). We didn't get Newfoundland for quite
>>> some time after that, but that's on the other side.
>>> Lesley.
>> Sorry, in 1867 ...
>> Canada was the St Lawrence River valley of Quebec, most of the Great
>> Lakes drainage basin in Ontario, Cape Breton, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
>> and had 3.5 million people. Everything else now Canada was a) a British
>> colony and b) a gleam in John A's eye. I'm not sure which 'we' you
>> are using.
> Didn't Lesley grow up British?
She did. You can take the Brit out of Britain [1], but you can never take Britain out of the Brit.
[1] Leaving Ain, which is French. I don't think that helps.
Lesley.
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> On 2012-10-03, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:29:58 -0500, Larry Moore
>> <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>>> On 2012-10-03, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 10-02-12 8:46 AM, larry wrote:
>>>>> On 02/10/12 09:58 AM, Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>>>> But we knew about the fish, and it was a strategic place in the Great
>>>>>> Game, which was well under way at that time. And anyway, just for
>>>>>> tidiness' sake.
>>>>>> Lesley.
>>>>> I think the {CT}{sz}ar would have loved to see the UK overextend their
>>>>> supply lines.
>>>> Overextend how? We were about to acquire BC officially instead of just
>>>> de facto, and we already had everything else in between all three coasts
>>>> (in among? Doesn't sound right). We didn't get Newfoundland for quite
>>>> some time after that, but that's on the other side.
>>>> Lesley.
>>> Sorry, in 1867 ...
>>> Canada was the St Lawrence River valley of Quebec, most of the Great
>>> Lakes drainage basin in Ontario, Cape Breton, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
>>> and had 3.5 million people. Everything else now Canada was a) a British
>>> colony and b) a gleam in John A's eye. I'm not sure which 'we' you
>>> are using.
>> Didn't Lesley grow up British?
> Yes, in her younger life. She's been this side of the
> Pond for her adult life and I'm not sure which viewpoint
> she was using.
Both, and a few others as well. It gets dull otherwise.
Lesley.
-- This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
> - hi; in article, <Fe-dnS_D4vXsgfPNnZ2dnUVZ_sudn...@wightman.ca>,
> sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com "Larry Moore" requested:
>> John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>There is no other definition. To be civilised is to do and act
>>>>>>>the way John Wilkins think things should be done.
>>>>>>Does it matter which John Wilkins?
>>>>>Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
>>>>OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
>>>>and sufficient conditions?
>>>I told you. That things are done the way I think they should be. I
>>>didn't say I knew what those ways were overtly, or even consistently.
>>Could we bracket the target somewhat? Complexity of organization,
>>extended horizons and connections, specialization?
> - first we have to establish precisely *which* *sub-set* of john
> wilkins defines the hive-mind? borg? it is, that in turn defines
> the "To be civilised is to do and act the way John Wilkins think
> things should be done."
> - after all, any one of the set may be an outlier in many ways.
> - love, ppint.
> [drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
I would ask a question.
As a subset of GaryN.
Which part of ppint feels that it has any authority to be asking questions?
How are you in some way better than me to be asking such a question?
By assuming a control attitude you are no longer a member of the collective and must be deleted.
Byeeeeee
gary
-- Snake was just plain ugly,
Where he came from no-one knew.
Reckon Rambo would have shit himself if Snakey told him to.
Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson.
"The Front Bar Featherbrain Championship"
> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-04, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just as an adjunct how, precisely, do we wish to define
>>>>>>>> "civilized"? In such a way as everyone agrees with the
>>>>>>>> definition rather than the usual way which is "Doing things the
>>>>>>>> way I think they should be done"
>>>>>>> There is no other definition. To be civilised is to do and act the
>>>>>>> way John Wilkins think things should be done.
>>>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
>>>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
>>>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
>>>> and sufficient conditions?
>>> I told you. That things are done the way I think they should be. I
>>> didn't say I knew what those ways were overtly, or even consistently.
>> Could we bracket the target somewhat?
>> Complexity of organization, extended horizons and connections,
>> specialization?
> Civilisation involves the Bill and Ted Principle:
> - Be excellent to one another
> It involves chocolate and all that involves, from the growng and
> distribution of it to the full philosophy and ethics:
> It basically involves other people being treated as adults with their
> own goals and rights, so long as they do not infringe on others' rights.
So it's Wikan? Except that nobody actually said "An thou dost no harm, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", and if they had it still wouldn't be Wikan.
Lesley.
-- This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
> On 2012-10-04, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> The royal one, of course. But you're right, I was considering Canada as
>> a British colony, which it was then, so the whole northern part of the
>> continent was British and the British should have bought Alaska.
>> Lesley.
> And later they denied Northern British Columbia any salt-water ports
> when the British representative on the Panhandle Commission
> sided with the Americans on where the BC / Alaska Panhandle
> border was to be set.
Prince Rupert is pretty far north, and at that time even that was unusable for half the year, so you wouldn't want to go any further north. Anyway, we're having the last laugh now that the Northwest Passage is a reality all the time, instead of just occasionally.
Lesley.
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Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Prince Rupert is pretty far north, and at that time even that was
> unusable for half the year, so you wouldn't want to go any further north.
> Anyway, we're having the last laugh now that the Northwest Passage is a
> reality all the time, instead of just occasionally.
FSVO all the time. Thirty some ships this, exceptionally ice free, summer.
Still nobody except meaty icebreakers going though in winter. It will come,
but it isn't here yet.
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10-04-12 4:01 AM, Larry Moore wrote:
> > On 2012-10-04, GaryN <webmas...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote:
> >> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:RL-dne5JRM5A-PDNnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@wightman.ca:
> >>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >> <snippetry>
> >>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
> >>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
> >>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
> >>> and sufficient conditions?
> >> Should we start a new thread on "Civilization and 'How the world would be
> >> better if I was in charge'":-)
> >> As long as we keep it here and don't invade Poland we should be OK.
> >> gary
> > There's the rub. Being certain leads one into Poland
> > and ends in tears.
> Especially if one is Polish.
I presume we're not talking about Polish logicians here (yes, there is a
strong tradition of logic in Lvov and Warsaw), centred on the work of
J"a"n Lu"k"a"s"i"e"w"i"c"z"
-- John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10-05-12 4:20 AM, John S. Wilkins wrote:
> > Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2012-10-04, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >>> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Just as an adjunct how, precisely, do we wish to define
> >>>>>>>> "civilized"? In such a way as everyone agrees with the
> >>>>>>>> definition rather than the usual way which is "Doing things the
> >>>>>>>> way I think they should be done"
> >>>>>>> There is no other definition. To be civilised is to do and act the
> >>>>>>> way John Wilkins think things should be done.
> >>>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
> >>>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
> >>>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
> >>>> and sufficient conditions?
> >>> I told you. That things are done the way I think they should be. I
> >>> didn't say I knew what those ways were overtly, or even consistently.
> >> Could we bracket the target somewhat?
> >> Complexity of organization, extended horizons and connections,
> >> specialization?
> > Civilisation involves the Bill and Ted Principle:
> > - Be excellent to one another
> > It involves chocolate and all that involves, from the growng and
> > distribution of it to the full philosophy and ethics:
> > It basically involves other people being treated as adults with their
> > own goals and rights, so long as they do not infringe on others' rights.
> So it's Wikan? Except that nobody actually said "An thou dost no harm,
> do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", and if they had it still
> wouldn't be Wikan.
"An it harm none, do as thou wilt" is how I heard it. I thought it was
Crowley (the other one).
-- John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
> - hi; in article, <Fe-dnS_D4vXsgfPNnZ2dnUVZ_sudn...@wightman.ca>,
> sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com "Larry Moore" requested:
> > John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>There is no other definition. To be civilised is to do and act the way
> >>>>>>John Wilkins think things should be done.
> >>>>>Does it matter which John Wilkins?
> >>>>Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
> >>>OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
> >>>and sufficient conditions?
> >>I told you. That things are done the way I think they should be. I
> >>didn't say I knew what those ways were overtly, or even consistently.
> >Could we bracket the target somewhat? Complexity of organization,
> >extended horizons and connections, specialization?
> - first we have to establish precisely *which* *sub-set* of john
> wilkins defines the hive-mind? borg? it is, that in turn defines
> the "To be civilised is to do and act the way John Wilkins think
> things should be done."
> - after all, any one of the set may be an outlier in many ways.
> - love, ppint.
> [drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
We can exclude all ratiocination done below the belt, for a start.
-- John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
On 2012-10-05, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10-03-12 4:51 PM, Larry Moore wrote:
>> On 2012-10-03, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> Yes, in her younger life. She's been this side of the
>> Pond for her adult life and I'm not sure which viewpoint
>> she was using.
> Both, and a few others as well. It gets dull otherwise.
> Lesley.
See .sig ?
--
“The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two
opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise. “ F Scott Fitzgerald
>> >>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>> >> <snippetry>
>> >>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
>> >>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
>> >>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
>> >>> and sufficient conditions?
>> >> Should we start a new thread on "Civilization and 'How the world would be
>> >> better if I was in charge'":-)
>> >> As long as we keep it here and don't invade Poland we should be OK.
>> >> gary
>> > There's the rub. Being certain leads one into Poland
>> > and ends in tears.
>> Especially if one is Polish.
> I presume we're not talking about Polish logicians here (yes, there is a
> strong tradition of logic in Lvov and Warsaw), centred on the work of
> J"a"n Lu"k"a"s"i"e"w"i"c"z"
The Patron Saint of Forth programmers as the developer of
Polish (and by extension, Reverse Polish) Notation.
-- The late Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski, in what he called the law
of the infinite cornucopia, stated that there was never a shortage of arguments to support any doctrine one wanted to believe in for whatever reasons.
Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> > Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 10-04-12 4:01 AM, Larry Moore wrote:
> >> > On 2012-10-04, GaryN <webmas...@oxtoyrun.org.uk> wrote:
> >> >> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:RL-dne5JRM5A-PDNnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@wightman.ca:
> >> >>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >> >> <snippetry>
> >> >>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
> >> >>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
> >> >>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
> >> >>> and sufficient conditions?
> >> >> Should we start a new thread on "Civilization and 'How the world
> >> >> would be better if I was in charge'":-)
> >> >> As long as we keep it here and don't invade Poland we should be OK.
> >> >> gary
> >> > There's the rub. Being certain leads one into Poland
> >> > and ends in tears.
> >> Especially if one is Polish.
> > I presume we're not talking about Polish logicians here (yes, there is a
> > strong tradition of logic in Lvov and Warsaw), centred on the work of
> > J"a"n Lu"k"a"s"i"e"w"i"c"z"
> The Patron Saint of Forth programmers as the developer of
> Polish (and by extension, Reverse Polish) Notation.
Sorry for the quoted text. Wikipedia doesn't like copying non-Roman
character sets.
-- John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> It means those kids should stay off my lawn.
a) property rights trump personal rights;
b) no slack for sprogs.
-- ... There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesome returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> It means Apple computers and accessories.
I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open
software as (often|much} as possible.
> It means allowing people to believe anything they like, but not to teach
> it to kids unless its true.
To quote Pontius Pilate: What is truth?
> It means those kids should stay off my lawn.
I agree, they should. They should learn early on that no trespass
shall be forgiven :-)
-- ... There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesome returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
-- Mark Twain
> On 2012-10-05, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 10-03-12 4:51 PM, Larry Moore wrote:
>>> On 2012-10-03, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>> Yes, in her younger life. She's been this side of the
>>> Pond for her adult life and I'm not sure which viewpoint
>>> she was using.
>> Both, and a few others as well. It gets dull otherwise.
>> Lesley.
> See .sig ?
> --
> “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two
> opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability
> to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are
> hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise. “ F Scott Fitzgerald
Thanks for the compliment!
Lesley.
-- This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
On 2012-10-06, Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>> It means Apple computers and accessories.
> I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open
> software as (often|much} as possible.
I quite agree. In fact, I'd go further and say that entering
the prison-walls of Cupertino is a denial of civilisation. To
take the oft-misattributed words of Benjamin Franklin:
Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase temporary
shiny computers deserve neither and should lose both.
By subscribing to the prison, with apple as much as with the denizens of Redmond, WA, before them, you are hitching yourself
to their endless treadmill of planned obsolescence. How people who describe themselves variously as Libertarian, republican,
left-wing or anarchical can simultaneously use these hideous
handcuffs to interact with the world has always struck me as a
breathtaking nadir of techno-political hypocrisy.
-- Protected by their camouflage, the New International Militant Hedgehogs
__o __o __o __o (NIMH) Approach their Target
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>>>>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>> <snippetry>
>>>>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
>>>>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
>>>>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
>>>>> and sufficient conditions?
>>>> Should we start a new thread on "Civilization and 'How the world would be
>>>> better if I was in charge'":-)
>>>> As long as we keep it here and don't invade Poland we should be OK.
>>>> gary
>>> There's the rub. Being certain leads one into Poland
>>> and ends in tears.
>> Especially if one is Polish.
> I presume we're not talking about Polish logicians here (yes, there is a
> strong tradition of logic in Lvov and Warsaw), centred on the work of
> J"a"n Lu"k"a"s"i"e"w"i"c"z"
No, but we could be. At least you could be; I'm not sure the rest of us could keep up.
Lesley.
-- This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
>> On 10-05-12 4:20 AM, John S. Wilkins wrote:
>>> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2012-10-04, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>>> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2012-10-03, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just as an adjunct how, precisely, do we wish to define
>>>>>>>>>> "civilized"? In such a way as everyone agrees with the
>>>>>>>>>> definition rather than the usual way which is "Doing things the
>>>>>>>>>> way I think they should be done"
>>>>>>>>> There is no other definition. To be civilised is to do and act the
>>>>>>>>> way John Wilkins think things should be done.
>>>>>>>> Does it matter which John Wilkins?
>>>>>>> Certainly. Not that seventeenth century poseur...
>>>>>> OK ... accepting you as a relevant authority, what are the necessary
>>>>>> and sufficient conditions?
>>>>> I told you. That things are done the way I think they should be. I
>>>>> didn't say I knew what those ways were overtly, or even consistently.
>>>> Could we bracket the target somewhat?
>>>> Complexity of organization, extended horizons and connections,
>>>> specialization?
>>> Civilisation involves the Bill and Ted Principle:
>>> - Be excellent to one another
>>> It involves chocolate and all that involves, from the growng and
>>> distribution of it to the full philosophy and ethics:
>>> It basically involves other people being treated as adults with their
>>> own goals and rights, so long as they do not infringe on others' rights.
>> So it's Wikan? Except that nobody actually said "An thou dost no harm,
>> do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", and if they had it still
>> wouldn't be Wikan.
> "An it harm none, do as thou wilt" is how I heard it. I thought it was
> Crowley (the other one).
Since he never said it, or at least not the part about not harming anyone, I guess it can go either way.
Lesley.
-- This address is real, but to reach me use leswes att shaw dott ca
>On 2012-10-06, Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>> It means Apple computers and accessories.
>> I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open
>> software as (often|much} as possible.
>I quite agree. In fact, I'd go further and say that entering
>the prison-walls of Cupertino is a denial of civilisation. To
>take the oft-misattributed words of Benjamin Franklin:
>Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase temporary
>shiny computers deserve neither and should lose both.
>By subscribing to the prison, with apple as much as with the >denizens of Redmond, WA, before them, you are hitching yourself
>to their endless treadmill of planned obsolescence. How people >who describe themselves variously as Libertarian, republican,
>left-wing or anarchical can simultaneously use these hideous
>handcuffs to interact with the world has always struck me as a
>breathtaking nadir of techno-political hypocrisy.
Sure is good there isn't any evangelical fervor for Linux or BSD.
daniel goldsmith <dg...@ascraeus.bongley.net.invalid> wrote:
> On 2012-10-06, Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>> It means Apple computers and accessories.
>> I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open
>> software as (often|much} as possible.
> I quite agree. In fact, I'd go further and say that entering
> the prison-walls of Cupertino is a denial of civilisation. To
> take the oft-misattributed words of Benjamin Franklin:
> Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase temporary
> shiny computers deserve neither and should lose both.
> By subscribing to the prison, with apple as much as with the > denizens of Redmond, WA, before them, you are hitching yourself
> to their endless treadmill of planned obsolescence. How people > who describe themselves variously as Libertarian, republican,
> left-wing or anarchical can simultaneously use these hideous
> handcuffs to interact with the world has always struck me as a
> breathtaking nadir of techno-political hypocrisy.
I don't think of my iPad as a computer. It is a gizmo, containing a
processor, just like my cars ignition system or my phone. It does what it
does, which happens to be useful, but I don't regard it's being closed as
any more significant than that I have to buy spares for my car from its
manufacturer.
If I want to create software, or do general computer stuff, I have a
completely separate system running Linux, on which I can do anything. The
fact that there is some overlap between the capabilities of the two devices
is irrelevant.
I want the freedom to install whatever software somewhere, not everywhere,
I believe my Satnav is a Linux system, as are several domestic routers. I
do not feel upset that the manufacturer has deprived me of root access to
them: I just use them.
The only threat is if I buy a general purpose computer, sold as such, and
the Bios will not let me load unsigned software - as is threatened.
Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-10-05, John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> > It means Apple computers and accessories.
> I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open
> software as (often|much} as possible.
So do I. For example, nearly all the software I use on my Apple Mac is
open source, including most of the OS.
> > It means allowing people to believe anything they like, but not to teach
> > it to kids unless its true.
> To quote Pontius Pilate: What is truth?
Haven't you been paying attention? What John Wilkins says it is.
> > It means those kids should stay off my lawn.
> I agree, they should. They should learn early on that no trespass
> shall be forgiven :-)
So the electric sprinkler system is OK then?
-- John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
- hi; in article,
<1krkzve.16h7yxy1fjqcslN%j...@wilkins.id.au>,
j...@wilkins.id.au "John S. Wilkins" wrote:
> Larry Moore <sshirleyallan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> John S. Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>>>It means Apple computers and accessories.
>>I prefer not to be trapped in a walled garden and use open software
>>as (often|much} as possible.
>So do I. For example, nearly all the software I use on my Apple Mac is
>open source, including most of the OS.
- back to DOS! (- [a])
>>> It means allowing people to believe anything they like, but not to
>>> teach it to kids unless its true.
- whose true?
>> To quote Pontius Pilate: What is truth?
>Haven't you been paying attention? What John Wilkins says it is.
- no, no; it has been established that it - and everything
else, iirc - is what john wilkins say it is. we have this
on the word of (at least) one john wilkins - though not
necessarily _you_...
>>> It means those kids should stay off my lawn.
>> I agree, they should. They should learn early on that no trespass
>> shall be forgiven :-)
- uh-oh...
the resurgent lawn order party pokes up its ugly head again...
>So the electric sprinkler system is OK then?
- what flavour are electric sprinklies?
- love, ppint.
[a] - dr/novell/open/free DOS, naturally.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
-- "Threads like these make me realize that many people
take a cargo-cult approach to logical argument."
Mike Ash on rec.arts.sf.written 26/6/10 (6/26/10 for merkins)
Some people don't have to buy spares for their car from its manufacturer.
Or rather, have spares for their car fitted by the manufacturer's agent.
What have you got, an EV1? (In which case, I have news...)
On 2012-10-06, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for the compliment!
> Lesley.
Where's my ha'pence?
-- The late Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski, in what he called the law
of the infinite cornucopia, stated that there was never a shortage of arguments to support any doctrine one wanted to believe in for whatever reasons.
