[I]Oracle: Unusual Duck
GaryN
http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember the
password for the toyrun site which I usually use for interesting pictures.
The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames near
Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet Scoter but
they're not supposed to be this far south.
Any Ideas?
gary
Gid
generously decided to share with us..
Looks like a female mallard to me.. slightly unusual colouring, so
might very well be a mallard/goldeneye hybrid which are becoming
increasingly common in some places..
--
Gid
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(if it ever stops raining for long enough)
GaryN
news:MPG.22937a8b9...@news.btinternet.com:
> In article <Xns9A9D56885EA01g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> generously decided to share with us..
>
>> Any Ornithologists out there?
>>
>> http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
>>
>> This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember the
>> password for the toyrun site which I usually use for interesting
>> pictures.
>>
>> The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames near
>> Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet Scoter
>> but they're not supposed to be this far south.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
>
> Looks like a female mallard to me.. slightly unusual colouring, so
> might very well be a mallard/goldeneye hybrid which are becoming
> increasingly common in some places..
>
I would have initially gone with that, except for the shovel beak which
is distinctly not mallard.
I apologise for the crap picture but....
gary
Ross
<MPG.22937a8b9...@news.btinternet.com>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:
> In article <Xns9A9D56885EA01g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> generously decided to share with us..
>
> > Any Ornithologists out there?
> >
> > http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
> >
> > This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember the
> > password for the toyrun site which I usually use for interesting pictures.
> >
> > The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames near
> > Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet Scoter but
> > they're not supposed to be this far south.
> >
> > Any Ideas?
>
> Looks like a female mallard to me.. slightly unusual colouring, so
> might very well be a mallard/goldeneye hybrid which are becoming
> increasingly common in some places..
Saw one of those in Lincoln on Monday when I went to feed the
swans/pigeons/ducks/whatever.
I looked at it a few times and decided that I couldn't be bothered
wondering what sort of duck it was. ;-)
--
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GaryN
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:29:32 +0100, Gid wrote in
> <MPG.22937a8b9...@news.btinternet.com>, seen in
> alt.fan.pratchett:
>> In article <Xns9A9D56885EA01g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
>> generously decided to share with us..
>>
>> > Any Ornithologists out there?
>> >
>> > http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
>> >
>> > This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember
>> > the password for the toyrun site which I usually use for
>> > interesting pictures.
>> >
>> > The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames
>> > near Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet
>> > Scoter but they're not supposed to be this far south.
>> >
>> > Any Ideas?
>>
>> Looks like a female mallard to me.. slightly unusual colouring, so
>> might very well be a mallard/goldeneye hybrid which are becoming
>> increasingly common in some places..
>
> Saw one of those in Lincoln on Monday when I went to feed the
> swans/pigeons/ducks/whatever.
>
> I looked at it a few times and decided that I couldn't be bothered
> wondering what sort of duck it was. ;-)
>
Lincoln Eh. Next you'll be telling me that you went for a pint of
proper beer, afterwards, in Sippers Bar across from the bus station.
gary
Anery
melanic form or a hybrid thereof. It is hard to be sure from the
photo, the reed stalk goes right through the head of the duck (there
is always one!), but I'd expect scoters having shorter beaks. Also
their build is generally dumpier.
http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=33926
Anery
Ross
<Xns9A9ECD40CD2Cg...@212.23.3.119>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:[...]
> >> In article <Xns9A9D56885EA01g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> >> generously decided to share with us..
> >>
> >> > Any Ornithologists out there?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
> > Saw one of those in Lincoln on Monday when I went to feed the
> > swans/pigeons/ducks/whatever.
> >
> > I looked at it a few times and decided that I couldn't be bothered
> > wondering what sort of duck it was. ;-)
>
> Lincoln Eh. Next you'll be telling me that you went for a pint of
> proper beer, afterwards, in Sippers Bar across from the bus station.
Nah.
The local CAMRA opinion of Sippers is that is has gone downhill since
the previous owners' demise (I'm not sure whether they retired, left,
or what, so can't be more specific), and as I'm a cider drinker rather
than a beer drinker I've never been in there anyway!
Should you be interested, the Green Dragon has reopened now; the micro
isn't up and running yet, but should be shortly. Won't make it in time
for the Lincoln Beerfest next week, but they'll no doubt be
advertising when it's producing.
GaryN
news:l4qm2450o9fbnl76k...@4ax.com:
Sorry to hear about Sippers - was always a good stop on the way through
to Rasen (I can't drive at present due to injuries so have to use the
bus)
The Green Dragon sounds like a good bet.
The Aston Arms on the market square in Market Rasen is usually good for
a decent, reasonably priced, pint - and it's not far from the gee-gees
on race days!
gary
GaryN
news:54ce78ab-699d-47a3...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> On 13 Kvě, 09:30, GaryN <g...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>> Any Ornithologists out there?
>>
>> http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
>>
>> This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember the
>> password for the toyrun site which I usually use for interesting
>> pictures.
>
>>
>> The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames near
>> Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet Scoter
>> but they're not supposed to be this far south.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
>>
> According to the beak, it might be a Northern Shoveler, possibly a
> melanic form or a hybrid thereof. It is hard to be sure from the
> photo, the reed stalk goes right through the head of the duck (there
> is always one!)
This would be due to my being a crap wildlife photographer. Other
classics include Deer[1] in, and Buzzards[2] over, Wytham Woods;
although my personal favourite is a pair of Kingfishers over Moat Park
lake taken at 100 yards range with no time to adjust zoom (the little
bastards are fast!).
Still life is more my forte.
gary.
[1]The brown thing next to the tree[3]
[2]The two small specks in an otherwise empty panorama of sky.
[3]Not that tree - the other tree!
Anery
> Anery <vsp...@atlas.cz> wrote:
>
<duck on photo>
> > According to the beak, it might be a Northern Shoveler, possibly a
> > melanic form or a hybrid thereof. It is hard to be sure from the
> > photo, the reed stalk goes right through the head of the duck (there
> > is always one!)
>
> This would be due to my being a crap wildlife photographer. Other
> classics include Deer[1] in, and Buzzards[2] over, Wytham Woods;
> although my personal favourite is a pair of Kingfishers over Moat Park
> lake taken at 100 yards range with no time to adjust zoom (the little
> bastards are fast!).
>
> Still life is more my forte.
>
brother when he does. So I'm familiar with motives like Beech Forest
Hiding a Squirrel, Beaver Cowering behind the Reed, or Some Kind of
Duck on the Horizon.
I'm not aware of him succeeding with kingfishers; actually he did
explicitly mention them once as a species likely to cause a serious
blow to the beginner's self-confidence.
Anery
Lesley Weston
> On 15 Kvě, 12:44, GaryN <g...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>> Anery <vsp...@atlas.cz> wrote:
>>
> <duck on photo>
>>> According to the beak, it might be a Northern Shoveler, possibly a
>>> melanic form or a hybrid thereof. It is hard to be sure from the
>>> photo, the reed stalk goes right through the head of the duck (there
>>> is always one!)
>> This would be due to my being a crap wildlife photographer. Other
>> classics include Deer[1] in, and Buzzards[2] over, Wytham Woods;
>> although my personal favourite is a pair of Kingfishers over Moat Park
>> lake taken at 100 yards range with no time to adjust zoom (the little
>> bastards are fast!).
>>
>> Still life is more my forte.
>>
> I mostly don't take wildlife photos, but occasionally I accompany my
> brother when he does. So I'm familiar with motives like Beech Forest
> Hiding a Squirrel, Beaver Cowering behind the Reed, or Some Kind of
> Duck on the Horizon.
All of those sound familiar. I do better with flowers, which usually
stay relatively still; I haven't encountered any triffids yet.
--
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time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Tiny Bulcher
> In article <Xns9A9D56885EA01g...@212.23.3.119>, GaryN
> generously decided to share with us..
>
>> Any Ornithologists out there?
>>
>> http://www.poacherhc.org.uk/duck.html
>>
>> This is a quack and dirty cut and paste because I can't remember the
>> password for the toyrun site which I usually use for interesting
>> pictures.
>>
>> The duck on the right was spotted and photographed on the Thames near
>> Oxford - best information so far is that it may be a Velvet Scoter
>> but they're not supposed to be this far south.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
>
> Looks like a female mallard to me.. slightly unusual colouring, so
> might very well be a mallard/goldeneye hybrid which are becoming
> increasingly common in some places..
It's perhaps more probably what twitchers call a 'vicar duck', from the
coloration, i.e. dark with a white collar; these are hybrids, not
between mallard and goldeneye, but between mallard and domesticated
ducks, which are very closely related. Definitely not a velvet scoter;
the head is the wrong shape, and in any case a sea duck like a scoter is
unilikely to be hanging around a Thames bank alongside mallard and that
close to people.
Vicar ducks are very common (they are, for all intents and purposes,
mallard) and exist solely to excite unwary birdwatchers into thinking
they've seem something exotic. The little buggers.
Anery
> Anery wrote:
> >>
> > I mostly don't take wildlife photos, but occasionally I accompany my
> > brother when he does. So I'm familiar with motives like Beech Forest
> > Hiding a Squirrel, Beaver Cowering behind the Reed, or Some Kind of
> > Duck on the Horizon.
>
> All of those sound familiar. I do better with flowers, which usually
> stay relatively still; I haven't encountered any triffids yet.
>
quite slowly. Compared to kingfishers, anyway.
Also, they don't shy away from people.
Anery
8'FED
> I don't think triffids would be a particular problem. IIRC, they move
> quite slowly. Compared to kingfishers, anyway.
> Also, they don't shy away from people.
Neither do krynoids. But they're a bit more of a challenge.
Adrian.
Lesley Weston
But they come with their own problems for the amateur photographer.
Anery
Crinoids, OTOH, are animals which are fairly suitable for a beginner,
provided he has an underwater camera.
My favourite humanitarian plant is Adela from the Czech comedy "Dinner
for Adele (Adela jeste nevecerela)". She is sedentary, and eats her
victims just when activated by playing a lullaby by Mozart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_Adele
She is much nicer in the film than on the picture, red with a big,
highly flexible tongue.
Anery
Anery
> >>
> > I don't think triffids would be a particular problem. IIRC, they move
> > quite slowly. Compared to kingfishers, anyway.
> > Also, they don't shy away from people.
>
> But they come with their own problems for the amateur photographer.
>
extinct by now.
Anery
8'FED
> 8'FED wrote:
>> Anery wrote:
>>
>> > I don't think triffids would be a particular problem. IIRC, they move
>> > quite slowly. Compared to kingfishers, anyway.
>> > Also, they don't shy away from people.
>>
>> Neither do krynoids. But they're a bit more of a challenge.
>
> provided he has an underwater camera.
The lovely thing about krynoids is that they not only infect humans in
an early part of their lifecycle, causing the human to transform into
another krynoid, but that in a later part of their lifecycle they
cause /all/ plants in the vicinity to attack and kill humans. And other
animal life, of course.
> My favourite humanitarian plant is Adela from the Czech comedy "Dinner
> for Adele (Adela jeste nevecerela)". She is sedentary, and eats her
> victims just when activated by playing a lullaby by Mozart.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_Adele
> She is much nicer in the film than on the picture, red with a big,
> highly flexible tongue.
BTW, a while ago I found a site which explains how to insult people in
Czech and Slovakian: http://bulbulovo.googlepages.com/Slovak.htm
I found the link here: http://bulbulovo.blogspot.com/2007/12/monkey.html
Maybe I should try taunting a few plants and see what happens. Like
calling a tree "kus dreva".
Adrian.
Anery
>
<snip>
> BTW, a while ago I found a site which explains how to insult people in
> Czech and Slovakian:http://bulbulovo.googlepages.com/Slovak.htm
>
insult people effectively. Several of the expressions mentioned there
were not familiar to me (including one of the subtitles), some of them
are rare or outdated, and some were slightly altered to match the
standard language, with a slightly amusing result. Many of the
expressions are accurate, but how would a foreigner know which of
them?
>
> I found the link here:http://bulbulovo.blogspot.com/2007/12/monkey.html
>
> Maybe I should try taunting a few plants and see what happens. Like
> calling a tree "kus dreva".
>
Anery
Lesley Weston
Audrey II is sedentary until he decides not to be, too. Can Adele also
sing in at least four-part harmony, and has she also been described as
"too black"?
Lesley Weston
It's true there's an awful lot of salt water around on this planet.
8'FED
> 8'FED wrote:
>> BTW, a while ago I found a site which explains how to insult people in
>> Czech and Slovakian: http://bulbulovo.googlepages.com/Slovak.htm
>
> Well... I wouldn't dare rely upon an Internet article if I'd wish to
> insult people effectively. Several of the expressions mentioned there
> were not familiar to me (including one of the subtitles), some of them
> are rare or outdated, and some were slightly altered to match the
> standard language, with a slightly amusing result. Many of the
> expressions are accurate, but how would a foreigner know which of
> them?
OK, but I have to ask: were any of your favourite insults missing from
the article?
Adrian.
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>Anery wrote:
>> Lesley Weston wrote:
>>>> I don't think triffids would be a particular problem. IIRC, they move
>>>> quite slowly. Compared to kingfishers, anyway.
>>>> Also, they don't shy away from people.
>>> But they come with their own problems for the amateur photographer.
>>>
>> Probably the biggest issue would be finding some - I'm afraid they are
>> extinct by now.
>
>It's true there's an awful lot of salt water around on this planet.
But that only applies to movie-triffids. The ones in the book don't
have that weakness.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
Five exclamation marks. A sure sign of a diseased mind.
-Terry Pratchett, "Maskerade"
Anery
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:54:13 GMT, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
> >Anery wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably the biggest issue would be finding some - I'm afraid they are
> >> extinct by now.
> >
> >It's true there's an awful lot of salt water around on this planet.
>
> But that only applies to movie-triffids. The ones in the book don't
> have that weakness.
>
Anery
Anery
which is based on outdated psychiatric terms. I don't know whether the
reason is PC, or the author just didn't consider them worth mentioning
as not language specific enough. In my surroundings they count among
the most frequent, especially 'idiot'.
A very frequent, yet unmentioned term is 'blbec' / fool, stupid
person, esp. male. About of the strength of above. Often used at
computers, too.
A special category worth mentioning is folkloresque insults. They are
words and phrases which nobody would use seriously any more, but were
recently popularised by Slovak artists as our proud heritage. They are
generally full of soft 'l'-s, to demonstrate how different from those
Czechs we are. One of those words is 'ogrgel' (with a soft 'l'). There
are also whole sentences of this type, like 'Lala ho, papluha, ogrcal
mi krpce!' / Oh, look at the <expletive>, he vomited all over my folk
costume shoes!
Anery
8'FED
> 8'FED wrote:
>> Anery wrote:
>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, a while ago I found a site which explains how to insult people in
>>> Czech and Slovakian:http://bulbulovo.googlepages.com/Slovak.htm
>>>
>>> Well... I wouldn't dare rely upon an Internet article if I'd wish to
>>> insult people effectively. Several of the expressions mentioned there
>>> were not familiar to me (including one of the subtitles), some of them
>>> are rare or outdated, and some were slightly altered to match the
>>> standard language, with a slightly amusing result. Many of the
>>> expressions are accurate, but how would a foreigner know which of
>>> them?
>>
>> OK, but I have to ask: were any of your favourite insults missing from
>> the article?
>
> I was somewhat puzzled that there is a whole class of insults missing
> which is based on outdated psychiatric terms. I don't know whether the
> reason is PC, or the author just didn't consider them worth mentioning
> as not language specific enough. In my surroundings they count among
> the most frequent, especially 'idiot'.
I agree with your second rationalisation. The article was a submission
for a book about insults around the world, so it makes sense that it
emphasises the most language-specific ones.
In English, I would say that the word "pathetic" is one of the most
hurtful ways you can describe a person in a single word - much, *much*
stronger than "stupid". It implies that you are utterly hopeless, a
complete failure as a human being, incapable of amounting to anything.
I know a couple of things about ancient Greek insults, particularly
those mentioned in the Bible (Matthew 5:21-22).
Translating the word "Raca", William Barclay writes, "/Raca/ is an
almost untranslatable word, because it describes a tone of voice more
than anything else. Its whole accent is the accent of contempt. To
call a man /Raca/ was to call him a brainless idiot, a silly fool, an
empty-headed blunderer. It is the word of one who despises another
with an arrogant contempt."
Translating the word "Moros", Barclay writes, "/Moros/ also means
fool, but the man who is /moros/ is the man who is a moral fool. To
call a man moros was not to criticise his mental ability; it was to
cast aspersions on his moral character; it was to take his name and
reputation from him, and to brand him as a loose-living and immoral
person."
> A very frequent, yet unmentioned term is 'blbec' / fool, stupid
> person, esp. male. About of the strength of above. Often used at
> computers, too.
I shout at computers a lot.
Adrian.
Tiny Bulcher
The Heroic Lone Scientist (and his Beautiful Daughter Assistant)
discovers, quite by accident, after several frustrating screen-minutes
searching for a weapon against the triffids, that they are disintegrated
into salad by spraying them with seawater. Armed with this knowledge,
the US Navy sails forth and liberates the people of England from the
vegetable horror.
Really. I Am Not Making This Up. It is a truly spectacularly bad movie.
I only hope Wyndham never saw it.
Anery
Oh, well. Even worse than sprinking vampires with holy water.
Shouldn't be too difficult to breed them for oil today, then. It might
be more of a success than rapeseed oil.
Unless some of them evolved into tryffyds and developed a resistance.
Anery
Anery
>
> In English, I would say that the word "pathetic" is one of the most
> hurtful ways you can describe a person in a single word - much, *much*
> stronger than "stupid". It implies that you are utterly hopeless, a
> complete failure as a human being, incapable of amounting to anything.
>
vocabulary because its meaning is supposed to be obvious. Until it
becomes clear from the context that it is not.
"Pateticky" in Slovak means "full of pathos", in the sense of
exaggerated emotionality, as in e.g. patriotic speeches.
>
> I know a couple of things about ancient Greek insults, particularly
> those mentioned in the Bible (Matthew 5:21-22).
>
> Translating the word "Raca", William Barclay writes, "/Raca/ is an
> almost untranslatable word, because it describes a tone of voice more
> than anything else. Its whole accent is the accent of contempt. To
> call a man /Raca/ was to call him a brainless idiot, a silly fool, an
> empty-headed blunderer. It is the word of one who despises another
> with an arrogant contempt."
>
impression that it means something like "despicable weakling". Alas, I
don't remember the source. Is it not an Aramaic word rather than
Greek, though?
>
<snip>
>
> I shout at computers a lot.
>
corridor he heard from behind a closed door: "You idiot, that's not
what you've been ordered to do!" He drew a correct conclusion but
noted that a stranger might have got a rather weird impression about
the company's way of communication with employees.
Anery
Elliott Grasett
<snip>
>
> Shouldn't be too difficult to breed them for oil today, then. It might
> be more of a success than rapeseed oil.
In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
run amok!
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Mary-MKS
My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
and unpleasant tasting. But a little minor genetic engineering (the
version I heard involved scientists in the 40s bombarding plants with
radiation from radioactive sources, and hoping to get lucky with a
mutation, but that might be an urban legend) produced a variety not
found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy. This
research was funded by the Canadian government, and the resulting oil
was patriotically called "Canola."
-Mary (This is a much better story than "political rectitude run amok".)
--
I'm running the Chicago marathon in October to benefit the local Boys &
Girls Clubs, who offer enrichment programs at four inner city Clubs and
a summer camp for underprivileged children. To support me, you can just
type "Mary Salit" into the box at http://www.ulbgc.org/marathon2008.php
Chris Zakes
caused Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> to write:
>Elliott Grasett wrote:
>> Anery wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Shouldn't be too difficult to breed them for oil today, then. It might
>>> be more of a success than rapeseed oil.
>> In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>> run amok!
>
>My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
>and unpleasant tasting. But a little minor genetic engineering (the
>version I heard involved scientists in the 40s bombarding plants with
>radiation from radioactive sources, and hoping to get lucky with a
>mutation, but that might be an urban legend) produced a variety not
>found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy. This
>research was funded by the Canadian government, and the resulting oil
>was patriotically called "Canola."
>
>-Mary (This is a much better story than "political rectitude run amok".)
But does it still work for making Crop Circles? My impression is that
fields of rapeseed are particularly popular with the
aliens/elves/pranksters (pick one.)
Elliott Grasett
> Elliott Grasett wrote:
>> Anery wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Shouldn't be too difficult to breed them for oil today, then. It might
>>> be more of a success than rapeseed oil.
>> In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>> run amok!
>
> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
> and unpleasant tasting. But a little minor genetic engineering (the
> version I heard involved scientists in the 40s bombarding plants with
> radiation from radioactive sources, and hoping to get lucky with a
> mutation, but that might be an urban legend) produced a variety not
> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy. This
> research was funded by the Canadian government, and the resulting oil
> was patriotically called "Canola."
>
> -Mary (This is a much better story than "political rectitude run amok".)
>
My brief googling on the topic suggests that the original rapeseed oil
may have been unhealthy, by today's standards, for mature humans, but it
doesn't appear to have been toxic, or even inedible. Canola oil has been
so modified that it now contains less of certain fatty acids than human
breast milk. This does nothing for growing infants, but is safer for
adults with a tendency to heart problems.
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Anery
>
> But does it still work for making Crop Circles? My impression is that
> fields of rapeseed are particularly popular with the
> aliens/elves/pranksters (pick one.)
>
Or alternatively wizards' hair.
Anery
Chris Zakes
Maybe, but according to these guys
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm rapeseed fields
are favored for the more elaborate circles.
Eric Jarvis
dont...@gmail.com says...
>
> Maybe, but according to these guys
> http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm rapeseed fields
> are favored for the more elaborate circles.
>
<http://www.circlemakers.org/guide.html>
A little more reliable as a source. It suggests that rape, barley and
wheat are chosen at different times of the year.
--
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Richard Bos
> Elliott Grasett wrote:
> > In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
> > run amok!
That's not political correctness, that's commercial politics.
> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
> and unpleasant tasting.
True, in particular the latter part.
> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
> -Mary (This is a much better story than "political rectitude run amok".)
How about "crass commercialism run amok"?
Richard
Chris Zakes
caused ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) to write:
>Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Elliott Grasett wrote:
>> > In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>> > run amok!
>
>That's not political correctness, that's commercial politics.
>
>> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
>> and unpleasant tasting.
>
>True, in particular the latter part.
>
>> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
>> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
>
>False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
>one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
Really? Then why can I buy bottles of canola oil in the grocery store,
right next to the corn oil, peanut oil, and generalized vegetable oil?
http://jschumacher.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/canola1.jpg
There's also this: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp
-Chris Zakes
Texas
Forget the quiche. *Real* men change diapers.
Lesley Weston
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:13:02 GMT, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) to write:
>
>> Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Elliott Grasett wrote:
>>>> In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>>>> run amok!
>> That's not political correctness, that's commercial politics.
>>
>>> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
>>> and unpleasant tasting.
>> True, in particular the latter part.
>>
>>> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
>>> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
>> False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
>> one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
>
> Really? Then why can I buy bottles of canola oil in the grocery store,
> right next to the corn oil, peanut oil, and generalized vegetable oil?
Of course you can, and it's very good for you, or at least less harmful
than the others you name. But it still tastes slightly of fish.
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:13:02 GMT, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) to write:
>>
>>> Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elliott Grasett wrote:
>>>>> In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>>>>> run amok!
>>> That's not political correctness, that's commercial politics.
>>>
>>>> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
>>>> and unpleasant tasting.
>>> True, in particular the latter part.
>>>
>>>> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
>>>> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
>>> False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
>>> one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
>>
>> Really? Then why can I buy bottles of canola oil in the grocery store,
>> right next to the corn oil, peanut oil, and generalized vegetable oil?
>
>Of course you can, and it's very good for you, or at least less harmful
>than the others you name. But it still tastes slightly of fish.
I wouldn't know. I use peanut oil when cooking Chinese food, and
vegetable oil on the rare occasions that I fry something. I don't know
that I've ever consciously tasted canola oil.
Arthur Hagen
>
> I wouldn't know. I use peanut oil when cooking Chinese food, and
> vegetable oil on the rare occasions that I fry something. I don't know
> that I've ever consciously tasted canola oil.
"Vegetable oil" is quite often rapeseed (of which canola is a variety), or a
mix between soy and rapeseed and whatever else happens to be cheap that day.
I don't share Lesley's enthusiasm for canola oil at all. While being less
acidic than regular rapeseed oil, it contains up to 1% erucic acid, which
has a strong bitter taste, can cause lung diseases including cancer if used
for frying (as with most oils with a relatively low smoking point), and has
been linked to heart wounds -- at least in rats.
For frying, I can recommend safflower oil, both because it has a very high
smoking point and survives frying much better than e.g. canola and olive
oils, and also because it has a very mild taste, to the point of being
negligible.
Sunflower oil is also good for frying. Extra virgin olive oil is the
absolute worst you can use -- it's only suitable for raw consumption, but
has been hyped up to the point that it's hard to find refined and sexually
experienced yellow olive oil in the stores these days.
Regards,
--
*Art
Anery
<snip>
> Extra virgin olive oil is the
> absolute worst you can use -- it's only suitable for raw consumption, but
> has been hyped up to the point that it's hard to find refined and sexually
> experienced yellow olive oil in the stores these days.
>
Makes me wonder about the precise meaning of the term "extra virgin".
Obviously there exists also something like "virgin rape seed oil".
Ehm.
Anery
Len Oil
> Makes me wonder about the precise meaning of the term "extra virgin".
> Obviously there exists also something like "virgin rape seed oil".
> Ehm.
IIRC "The very first pressing", mechanical recovery only, absolutely no
chemical/etc refining or bulking up with pre-refined olive oil, and
probably has strict standards about even the naturally-occurring oleic
acids that can exist, etc (which probably means you need to catch the
crop at the right time as well).
Not sure if there's a market for non-industrial oil extraction from OSR.
It doesn't seem to be the kind of crop that is grown to be treated
that way, but I imagine you /might/ be able to do something with the
right variety (if there exists one that keeps the undesirable traits
down low enough) in traditional or faux-traditional pressing machinery.
(IANAFarmer)
BTW, I hear that honey heavy in OSR pollen is tricky to properly produce
but... interesting. ;)
Arthur Hagen
> Anery wrote:
>> Makes me wonder about the precise meaning of the term "extra virgin".
>> Obviously there exists also something like "virgin rape seed oil".
>> Ehm.
>
> IIRC "The very first pressing", mechanical recovery only, absolutely
> no chemical/etc refining or bulking up with pre-refined olive oil, and
> probably has strict standards about even the naturally-occurring oleic
> acids that can exist, etc (which probably means you need to catch the
> crop at the right time as well).
No, it's not the very first pressing -- that's a myth. First press olive
oil is labeled as such. Extra virgin olive oil is, however, cold pressed,
which leads to an inferior /oil/ quality, but much richer in taste.
My rule of thumb is that the greener an olive oil, the less suitable it is
for cooking, and the more suitable it is for dipping and salads.
Regards,
--
*Art
Lesley Weston
<Canola oil>
> I wouldn't know. I use peanut oil when cooking Chinese food, and
> vegetable oil on the rare occasions that I fry something. I don't know
> that I've ever consciously tasted canola oil.
Be careful of the peanut oil - make sure none of it comes from China.
There's a deadly fungus that grows on peanuts sometimes and is almost
impossible to eradicate once a processing plant has become contaminated
with it. China has several such plants and still uses them to produce
peanut oil, which they export and which is then mixed in with peanut oil
from other sources in proportions that allow it to be sold as "Made in
<country other than China>". Honey from China is similar; they use an
antibiotic for their bees that's banned in most countries because it
leaves a poisonous residue in the honey. Any commercially-produced honey
in North America is blended from a whole bunch of sources including China.
The generic vegetable oils are often canola oil plus whatever else is
cheap. They won't hurt your health more than any other fat, but they
taste nasty and often have a low smoking point. We use olive oil for
everything; it's high on the good things and low on the bad things and
tastes good. Extra virgin olive oil is lovely when you want the taste
and are not going to fry things in it; refined olive oil, the lighter in
colour the better, has a fairly high smoking point and virtually no
taste, and it doesn't polymerise and screw up your frying pan like
almost all other oils.
Lesley Weston
> Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't know. I use peanut oil when cooking Chinese food, and
>> vegetable oil on the rare occasions that I fry something. I don't know
>> that I've ever consciously tasted canola oil.
>
> "Vegetable oil" is quite often rapeseed (of which canola is a variety),
> or a mix between soy and rapeseed and whatever else happens to be cheap
> that day.
>
> I don't share Lesley's enthusiasm for canola oil at all.
That would be difficult to do anyway, since I don't have any such
enthusiasm. If I want the taste of fish, I'll eat fish.
While being
> less acidic than regular rapeseed oil, it contains up to 1% erucic acid,
> which has a strong bitter taste, can cause lung diseases including
> cancer if used for frying (as with most oils with a relatively low
> smoking point), and has been linked to heart wounds -- at least in rats.
>
> For frying, I can recommend safflower oil, both because it has a very
> high smoking point and survives frying much better than e.g. canola and
> olive oils, and also because it has a very mild taste, to the point of
> being negligible.
It's not bad, but it does polymerise. Frying pans are cheap, but it's
wasteful to keep destroying and replacing them.
> Sunflower oil is also good for frying. Extra virgin olive oil is the
> absolute worst you can use -- it's only suitable for raw consumption,
We use it in most of the types of bread that I make and for Italian and
Greek dishes. It works very well.
> but has been hyped up to the point that it's hard to find refined and
> sexually experienced yellow olive oil in the stores these days.
It can be found, often called something like "Light-tasting".
Lesley Weston
What does "OSR" mean?
Alec Cawley
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:13:02 GMT, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) to write:
>
>> Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Elliott Grasett wrote:
>>>> In Canada, Rape is now named "Canola". Talk about Political Rectitude
>>>> run amok!
>> That's not political correctness, that's commercial politics.
>>
>>> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
>>> and unpleasant tasting.
>> True, in particular the latter part.
>>
>>> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
>>> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
>> False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
>> one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
>
> Really? Then why can I buy bottles of canola oil in the grocery store,
> right next to the corn oil, peanut oil, and generalized vegetable oil?
> http://jschumacher.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/canola1.jpg
I agree: I thought it was linseed (linen-seed, from flax) oil which was
used for floor coverings (lin-oleum) and oiling cricket bats, amongst
other industrial uses.
Alec Cawley
> BTW, I hear that honey heavy in OSR pollen is tricky to properly produce
> but... interesting. ;)
I heard almost the opposite, from my mother in her bee-keeping days. It
crystallizes very easily - regarded as an advantage by some - but
produces a characterless flavour which those looking for more than mere
sweetness despise.
FiX
<len...@lenoil.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Anery wrote:
>> Makes me wonder about the precise meaning of the term "extra virgin".
>> Obviously there exists also something like "virgin rape seed oil".
>> Ehm.
>
>IIRC "The very first pressing", mechanical recovery only, absolutely no
>chemical/etc refining or bulking up with pre-refined olive oil, and
>probably has strict standards about even the naturally-occurring oleic
>acids that can exist, etc (which probably means you need to catch the
>crop at the right time as well).
Seen from France, we have 3 main types of olive oil:
"Huile d'Olive vierge extra": only obtained through mechanical means
(mechanical press only, no adjuvants), temperature must be below 30°C,
less than 0.8% of oleic acid, must pass gustative tests. No adjuvants
allowed.
"Huile 'dolive vierge": same thing, but oleic acid may be upt to 2%
and gustative tests are less stringent
"Huile d'olive", which can be obtained using chemical solvents, and is
often made from the paste resulting from a first mechanical treatment.
There also are some Apellation d'Origine Contrôlée for olive oils,
where Olives must come from a specific area, with stringent rules
about cultivation and quality of the olives. I usually use the "Huile
du Moulin St Michel (Mouriès)", which is an oil made using an old
press (several centuries old), with olives that are hand-picked and
sorted according to maturity. What can I say? Us french know that one
must not eat to live but rather live to enjoy eating ;-P
FiX
--
"[afp believes its] sensibilities are so refined that we
appreciate things that leave Joe and Josephine Q.
Public drooling with duh."
-April Goodwin-Smith
Arthur Hagen
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>
>> For frying, I can recommend safflower oil, both because it has a very
>> high smoking point and survives frying much better than e.g. canola
>> and olive oils, and also because it has a very mild taste, to the
>> point of being negligible.
>
> It's not bad, but it does polymerise. Frying pans are cheap, but it's
> wasteful to keep destroying and replacing them.
With cast iron pans, that's no problem. If there's a little polymerisation,
that just creates good BCBs... :-)
(For saturating ("burning in") the pans, I wouldn't recommend any kind of
vegetable based oil. Lard works much better.)
Regards,
--
*Art
Len Oil
> What does "OSR" mean?
Oil Seed Rape.
Sorry, thought context was enough.
/idly remembers games of Eye-Spy which usually kicked off in 'OSR'
season. An "activating meme", as it were.
Anery
> Len Oil wrote:
>
> > BTW, I hear that honey heavy in OSR pollen is tricky to properly produce
> > but... interesting. ;)
>
>
> I heard almost the opposite, from my mother in her bee-keeping days. It
> crystallizes very easily - regarded as an advantage by some - but
> produces a characterless flavour which those looking for more than mere
> sweetness despise.
>
interesting - it was almost white, very thick and has crystallized in
a short time. Its taste was more sugary than anything else. I didn't
mind much as I've spent most of it solved in herbal infusions against
a cold attack.
Generally I prefer the taste of honeydew honey or that of robinia,
although the latter tends to be rather thin.
Anery
Anery
> What can I say? Us french know that one
> must not eat to live but rather live to enjoy eating ;-P
>
I've always been puzzled by the original statement. And a bit sorry
for the author. OK, so perhaps not _only_ to enjoy eating - but it's
surely a good reason in itself.
Anery
Arthur Hagen
>
> I've been given a jar of OSR honey last Christmas. It did look
> interesting - it was almost white, very thick and has crystallized in
> a short time. Its taste was more sugary than anything else. I didn't
> mind much as I've spent most of it solved in herbal infusions against
> a cold attack.
> Generally I prefer the taste of honeydew honey or that of robinia,
> although the latter tends to be rather thin.
Un-cleared heather honey is my favourite honey, taste-wise. Preferably
collected without use of tobacco smoke to subdue the bees. While I like
tobacco aroma, I don't like it in honey.
Regards,
--
*Art
Lesley Weston
It probably would have been if I hadn't lived in Canada for the last
thirty-odd years. I think of oil-seed rape as canola.
Lesley Weston
And now as a crank food-additive because it allegedly contains CLAs and
omega-3. But it comes in capsules - I don't think anyone could manage to
swallow the stuff if they could taste it.
Anery
it probably wouldn't have occurred to me that it might have a distinct
taste. I tend to associate heather with bad weather rather than with
honey. Probably a TV documentary starting with the sentence "It's
raining _again_ in Inverness" and emphasizing how heather is ideal for
such a climate have helped me to maintain that image.
I did intend to try thyme and lavender honey some time, but so far
I've always ended up by buying (or being given) easier available
sorts. Even if honeydew honey is not supposed to be among the
healthier ones due to low protein contents.
Anery
Brian Howlett
> "It's raining _again_ in Inverness"
Thanks - that's saved me from a) checking the weather forecast, or b)
looking out the window...
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-------------------------------------------------------------------
When I told the folks back home that I was coming to Auchtermuchty,
they said "Wear the fox hat"...
Larry Moore
I have a bottle of flax oil for oil/vinegar salad dressing. It's
stronger flavoured than olive oil - comparable to peanut. No adverse
reactions, so far.
Whole flax seeds are traditionally part of the Red River Cereal
(which my lady was raised on,) I prefer to grind the seeds, then
sprinkle over oatmeal. Tastes vaguely nut-like but not unpleasant.
My doctor and diabetic nutritionist insist.
I also have a bottle of 'boiled linseed oil' in the woodworking
shop but that's (I presume) not food-grade.
--
Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there
is.
Isaac Asimov
Lesley Weston
But doesn't it taste the way putty smells?
Richard Bos
> caused ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) to write:
> >Mary-MKS <mks....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My understanding is that rape seed oil, naturally, is toxic to humans
> >> and unpleasant tasting.
> >
> >True, in particular the latter part.
> >
> >> But a little minor genetic engineering produced a variety not
> >> found in nature, the oil of which is not only edible but healthy.
> >
> >False. It may be untoxic - I wouldn't know - but it's still the stuff
> >one makes paints and floor coverings from, not food.
>
> Really? Then why can I buy bottles of canola oil in the grocery store,
> right next to the corn oil, peanut oil, and generalized vegetable oil?
Presumably for the same reason that you can still buy CheezWhip next to
the Stilton and Cheddar, and spun soy giblets next to the real meat.
Neither of those are, strictly speaking, bad for you; but I still do not
count them as comestibles in the proper meaning of that word.
Richard
Anery
> On 30 May, Anery wrote:
>
> > "It's raining _again_ in Inverness"
>
> Thanks - that's saved me from a) checking the weather forecast, or b)
> looking out the window...
>
sentence with great feeling. He made it look as if
1. weather forecasts weren't actually necessary in Inverness
2. thriving in such a climate were a reason enough to be hated (as in
this case the heather).
Anery
(who'd welcome a bit of quiet rain for a change, instead of drought
interrupted by hailstorms)
Brian Howlett
We actually had a very dry May, but now June is here it's cloudy and
dull, and the rain isn't too far away...
They say if you don't like the Scottish weather, just wait 20 minutes
- there'll be something different along shortly.
That's the weather, and now, here's the sports news...
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
-----------------------------------------------------
I stayed up all night playing poker with Tarot cards.
I got a full house, and four people died.
Lesley Weston
<snip>
> They say if you don't like the Scottish weather, just wait 20 minutes
> - there'll be something different along shortly.
In Vancouver you only have to wait five minutes.
Arthur Hagen
> Brian Howlett wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>> They say if you don't like the Scottish weather, just wait 20 minutes
>> - there'll be something different along shortly.
>
> In Vancouver you only have to wait five minutes.
I've heard this saying about pretty much any place I've ever been. If
anything, I'd say that the weather in both Scotland and coastal BC is very
stable and changes are easy to predict compared to some other places. Yes,
both places get a fair share of rain, but it's nothing like e.g. Boulder,
Colorado, where I've encountered t-shirt-and-shorts sunshine, snow,
sunshine, thunderstorm, fog and horisontal rain, all in the same day.
Regards,
--
*Art
Larry Moore
If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
like cod-liver oil but not as strong. We keep cold-pressed flax oil
refrigerated & in a sealed container. It wants a strong flavoured
vinegar - cider, raspberry or balsamic. Originally, she bought it as
bath oil (shake with lavender extract to emulsify before adding to
bath.) The salad oil/vinegar dressing was serendipitous while we looked
for something to use the five L of raspberry vinegar with.
--
When I read about the way in which library funds are being cut and cut,
I can only think that American society has found one more way to destroy
itself.
Isaac Asimov
Alec Cawley
A Muscovite complained to me about going to work in his shirtsleeves
without checking the forecast, and getting frostbite going home in -20C.
SteveD
wrote:
>I've heard this saying about pretty much any place I've ever been. If
>anything, I'd say that the weather in both Scotland and coastal BC is very
>stable and changes are easy to predict compared to some other places. Yes,
>both places get a fair share of rain, but it's nothing like e.g. Boulder,
>Colorado, where I've encountered t-shirt-and-shorts sunshine, snow,
>sunshine, thunderstorm, fog and horisontal rain, all in the same day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_seasons_in_one_day
-SteveD
John Wilkins
Even without that interview, that song could only be about Melbourne.
Great song, by the way.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Anery
>
> A Muscovite complained to me about going to work in his shirtsleeves
> without checking the forecast, and getting frostbite going home in -20C.
>
ice cream at -35C.
Anery
Jeff Howell
While the weather *in general* in Buffalo is fairly predictable - rain
in the fall, snow/melt patterns through about January/February before it
sticks for the rest of the season, fairly dry summers - at least of late
the specifics of the weather seem to be decidedly chaotic. For quite
some time, five-day forecasts have been utterly useless in planning...
even in terms of whether or not we'll get a storm or any rain at all,
what's expected two days from now shifts wildly as the day approaches.
Makes planning outdoor activities quite the adventure.
--
Jeff
Arthur Hagen
That's too cold. Ice cream is best served at around -5 C, depending on the
ice cream. If it's pre-made and stored in a freezer, it should be allowed
to heat up slowly before being served, and if it's freshly churned (yum), it
should not be chilled so far down that it crystallizes noticably. Served in
small enough portions that you can eat it all before it melts.
Ice cream directly from a freezer, scooped up with brute force and served
melting on the outside and rock hard on the inside is never acceptable.
That's like getting served a steak or chicken that's frozen in the middle,
and if at a restaurant, either will immediately zonk the tip.
Regards,
--
*Art
Lister
wrote:
>That's too cold. Ice cream is best served at around -5 C, depending on the
>ice cream. If it's pre-made and stored in a freezer, it should be allowed
>to heat up slowly before being served, and if it's freshly churned (yum), it
>should not be chilled so far down that it crystallizes noticably. Served in
>small enough portions that you can eat it all before it melts.
>
>Ice cream directly from a freezer, scooped up with brute force and served
>melting on the outside and rock hard on the inside is never acceptable.
>That's like getting served a steak or chicken that's frozen in the middle,
>and if at a restaurant, either will immediately zonk the tip.
....says Arthur Haagen Dazs :)
/runs
Lesley Weston
donated for charity) to get proper raingear for both of us, and to the
drugstore to get a good sunblock. Now we can go back to planning ahead,
since we can go out into Beautiful BC whatever the weather does instead
of what it was supposed to do.
Lesley Weston
> On 2008-05-31, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Larry Moore wrote:
>>> On 2008-05-29, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Alec Cawley wrote:
<snip>
>>>>> I agree: I thought it was linseed (linen-seed, from flax) oil which was
>>>>> used for floor coverings (lin-oleum) and oiling cricket bats, amongst
>>>>> other industrial uses.
>>>> And now as a crank food-additive because it allegedly contains CLAs and
>>>> omega-3. But it comes in capsules - I don't think anyone could manage to
>>>> swallow the stuff if they could taste it.
>>> I have a bottle of flax oil for oil/vinegar salad dressing. It's
>>> stronger flavoured than olive oil - comparable to peanut. No adverse
>>> reactions, so far.
>> But doesn't it taste the way putty smells?
>>
>
> If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
> like cod-liver oil but not as strong.
That's quite bad enough.
Alec Cawley
In shirtsleeves? Yes, they go out in the cold - but with layers of
insulation normally. He went to work dressed for +15, torrid for Moscow.
Larry Moore
> SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:22:48 -0400, "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I've heard this saying about pretty much any place I've ever been. If
>> >anything, I'd say that the weather in both Scotland and coastal BC is very
>> >stable and changes are easy to predict compared to some other places. Yes,
>> >both places get a fair share of rain, but it's nothing like e.g. Boulder,
>> >Colorado, where I've encountered t-shirt-and-shorts sunshine, snow,
>> >sunshine, thunderstorm, fog and horisontal rain, all in the same day.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_seasons_in_one_day
>>
> Even without that interview, that song could only be about Melbourne.
> Great song, by the way.
>
And Helen and Scott Nearing described the weather
of New England in their "Living the Good Life", similarly.
--
"We seek your leadership. But if for some reason you're not willing to
lead, leave it to the rest of us. Please get out of the way." (NPR),
on US leadership of response to global warming threat.
Larry Moore
> Larry Moore wrote:
>> On 2008-05-31, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Larry Moore wrote:
>>>> On 2008-05-29, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Alec Cawley wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>>>> I agree: I thought it was linseed (linen-seed, from flax) oil which was
>>>>>> used for floor coverings (lin-oleum) and oiling cricket bats, amongst
>>>>>> other industrial uses.
>>>>> And now as a crank food-additive because it allegedly contains CLAs and
>>>>> omega-3. But it comes in capsules - I don't think anyone could manage to
>>>>> swallow the stuff if they could taste it.
>>>> I have a bottle of flax oil for oil/vinegar salad dressing. It's
>>>> stronger flavoured than olive oil - comparable to peanut. No adverse
>>>> reactions, so far.
>>> But doesn't it taste the way putty smells?
>>>
>>
>> If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
>> like cod-liver oil but not as strong.
>
> That's quite bad enough.
>
But cod liver oil *is* one of my comfort foods.
--
"C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la
guerre. C'est de la folie" - Marshal Pierre Bosquet
Arthur Hagen
You better run, kiddo! That company is all American, with a made-up name
that in the mind of fellow Americans is supposed to /sound/ European. Of
course it's gibberish. In my opinion, their "ice cream" is inedible, and
the second worst on the market, only "beaten" by Ben and Jerry's (ice cream
for people who hate ice cream, but love frozen chunks of whatever).
Regards,
--
*Art
Arthur Hagen
> Larry Moore wrote:
>>
>> If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
>> like cod-liver oil but not as strong.
>
> That's quite bad enough.
Hey, some of us /like/ cod liver oil. Provided it's fresh, of course.
Preferably still in the cod liver, poached and served with cod roe.
Regards,
--
*Art
Anery
appropriate dressing for 15C.
Anery
SteveD
Exactly. Shirtsleeves are for 10C. With a wind blowing. Off the mountains.
-SteveD
Larry Moore
and Baskin-Robins??
--
As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly
unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware
of change in the air however slight lest we become unwitting victims
of the darkness. - William O. Douglas
Anery
> Lister <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote:
> >
> > ....says Arthur Haagen Dazs :)
> >
> > /runs
>
> You better run, kiddo! That company is all American, with a made-up name
> that in the mind of fellow Americans is supposed to /sound/ European. Of
> course it's gibberish.
>
"Vonallesvolkommenunverstandlichdasdaskeit".
Anery
Larry Moore
If you have adapted to -35 for weeks and then the temperature rises to
+15 in six hours, standing in the sun in shirtsleeves is a natural
response. In the western provinces of Canada 'chinook winds' happen two
or three times a winter.
--
Each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by
answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being
responsible.
Viktor E. Frankl
Larry Moore
Sounds delicious. I might find a shop in the city that would carry it
and I'll add it to my big-city shopping list.
Thanks.
--
As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly
unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware
of change in the air however slight lest we become unwitting victims
of the darkness.
-- William O. Douglas
Elliott Grasett
<snip>
>
> If you have adapted to -35 for weeks and then the temperature rises to
> +15 in six hours, standing in the sun in shirtsleeves is a natural
> response. In the western provinces of Canada 'chinook winds' happen two
> or three times a winter.
>
Back in the days when the world was young, and we measured temperature
in degrees Fahrenheit, I drove, one January day, from Brandon to
Medicine Hat, through a temperature differential of seventy degrees.
-30F in Brandon, +40F in Hat.
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Anery
>
> If you have adapted to -35 for weeks and then the temperature rises to
> +15 in six hours, standing in the sun in shirtsleeves is a natural
> response. In the western provinces of Canada 'chinook winds' happen two
> or three times a winter.
>
burrow and hibernate until Spring.
Anery
Alec Cawley
> On 2008-06-04, Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>> Lister <fa...@SPAMclara.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:52:04 -0400, "Arthur Hagen" <a...@broomstick.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's too cold. Ice cream is best served at around -5 C, depending
>>>> on the ice cream. If it's pre-made and stored in a freezer, it
>>>> should be allowed to heat up slowly before being served, and if it's
>>>> freshly churned (yum), it should not be chilled so far down that it
>>>> crystallizes noticably. Served in small enough portions that you
>>>> can eat it all before it melts.
>>>>
>>>> Ice cream directly from a freezer, scooped up with brute force and
>>>> served melting on the outside and rock hard on the inside is never
>>>> acceptable. That's like getting served a steak or chicken that's
>>>> frozen in the middle, and if at a restaurant, either will
>>>> immediately zonk the tip.
>>> ....says Arthur Haagen Dazs :)
>>>
>>> /runs
>> You better run, kiddo! That company is all American, with a made-up name
>> that in the mind of fellow Americans is supposed to /sound/ European. Of
>> course it's gibberish. In my opinion, their "ice cream" is inedible, and
>> the second worst on the market, only "beaten" by Ben and Jerry's (ice cream
>> for people who hate ice cream, but love frozen chunks of whatever).
>>
Haagen Dazs is apparently owned by Nestle i.e. Swiss, and ben & Jerry's
by Uniliever i.e. Anglo-Dutch.
> and Baskin-Robins??
Which, though of American origin, used to be British owned (Allied
Breweries) and is now in VC hell.
Alec Cawley
But6 then you don't live in Moscow. Available evidence suggests that
people who do become bitter and twisted - possibly twisted enough to
wear shirtsleeves in 15C
Lesley Weston
Don't you get rather too much Vitamin A that way?
Lesley Weston
Larry Moore
> Larry Moore wrote:
>> On 2008-06-04, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Larry Moore wrote:
>>>> On 2008-05-31, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Larry Moore wrote:
>>>>>> On 2008-05-29, Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Alec Cawley wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree: I thought it was linseed (linen-seed, from flax) oil which was
>>>>>>>> used for floor coverings (lin-oleum) and oiling cricket bats, amongst
>>>>>>>> other industrial uses.
>>>>>>> And now as a crank food-additive because it allegedly contains CLAs and
>>>>>>> omega-3. But it comes in capsules - I don't think anyone could manage to
>>>>>>> swallow the stuff if they could taste it.
>>>>>> I have a bottle of flax oil for oil/vinegar salad dressing. It's
>>>>>> stronger flavoured than olive oil - comparable to peanut. No adverse
>>>>>> reactions, so far.
>>>>> But doesn't it taste the way putty smells?
>>>>>
>>>> If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
>>>> like cod-liver oil but not as strong.
>>> That's quite bad enough.
>>>
>>
>> But cod liver oil *is* one of my comfort foods.
>>
>>
> Really? You seemed quite normal...
>
small explanation ... m'lady was born with rickets and a lactose
intolerance; her adoptive mother fed her the milky fluid strained from
oat meal gruel mixed with cod liver oil.
To this day, a spoonful cheers her when the winter sky is overcast.
(Not wanting her to drink alone, I join her, of course.)
De gustibus non contendere.
--
Death is not an event in life: we do not live to experience death. If we
take eternity to mean not infinite temporal duration but timelessness,
then eternal life belongs to those who live in the present.
Ludwig Wittgenstein
Arthur Hagen
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Larry Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the oil smelled like putty, it'd probably be rancid. It tastes
>>>> like cod-liver oil but not as strong.
>>>
>>> That's quite bad enough.
>>
>> Hey, some of us /like/ cod liver oil. Provided it's fresh, of
>> course. Preferably still in the cod liver, poached and served with
>> cod roe.
>
> Don't you get rather too much Vitamin A that way?
No more than in 3-4 carrots, and while that technically is an overdose, it's
not a problem unless eaten daily. Considering that 'liver and roe' is a
seasonal food (due to the roe), it's nothing I'm concerned about.
Especially since I otherwise avoid fortified foods.
Regards,
--
*Art
8'FED
> I've got no compassion for someone who considers shirtsleeves to be
> appropriate dressing for 15C.
I'm wondering what you might mean by "shirtsleeves" in any case.
Do you mean *just* the sleeves? As in, you take a shirt, cut off the
sleeves, throw away the rest of the shirt, and just wear the sleeves?
In that case, I agree: it's probably not appropriate for 15C. Or any
other weather, for that matter.
However, as *dressing*, shirtsleeves might at least be an improvement
over mayonnaise.
Adrian.
Larry Moore
> Breweries) and is now in VC hell.
Sorry, I fail to have the pleasure of understanding you. VC hell??
--
The difference between Ignorance and Arrogance is two weeks working
as a clerk in a computer shop.
Larry Moore
And you would poach the livers in broth?
--
A man will be imprisoned in a room with a door that's unlocked and opens
inwards; as long as it does not occur to him to pull rather than push.
Ludwig Wittgenstein
Larry Moore
One does have to dress for the day - layered with the appropriate
fabrics.
I've tried ice fishing; winter camping; snowshoeing and winter
photography; nordic skiing day trips with a social club. I am now
too old to tent or ice fish but still have my skiis and showshoes.
Life is too short to cocoon.
Alec Cawley
>> Which, though of American origin, used to be British owned (Allied
>> Breweries) and is now in VC hell.
>
> Sorry, I fail to have the pleasure of understanding you. VC hell??
Has been bought out by Venture Capitalists. Who are likely to gut the
company for short term gains then sell off the sheel brdened with debt
which will result in what would otherwise be viable businesses closing down.