Re: Government, was: Coffee
Chucky & Janica
<eero.snak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <eero.snakeonapl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >But according to Christians [1], the bloke in question was also God,
>> >which is often considered to make one flawless. *Hanging out* with
>> >assorted low-lifes simply proves how saintly and compassionate and
>> >good he was, whereas claims of him *being* a prostitute, thief or
>> >whatever might be met with some resistance.
>>
>> >[1] Not including the Greek Catholics, AFAIK.
>>
>> If you mean Orthodox christians, then no, you're mistaken on that
>> count. Jesus is seen as both man and god. You may be thinking of the
>> Oriental orthodox churches (Ethiopian, Egyptian, Armenian etc.) which,
>> I seem to recall, are monophysitic, ie. deny the dual nature of Jesus.
>
>I did mean the Orthodox christians. [1] That footnote was based on the
>comment of a friend of mine, who is one. I'll have to ask for
>clarification.
>
>[1] I was trying to translate the term "kreikkalaiskatolinen" into
>English, but according to Wikipedia it doesn't even mean what it used
>to in Finnish, so let's just say Orthodox.
Yeah, "kreikkalaiskatolinen" is a bit frowned upon nowadays. At least
I've never liked it, and the Finnish Orthodox church doesn't use it.
You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
nature of Christ.
Janica
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ingenious paradox
<janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
>of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
>church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
>two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
>nature of Christ.
Buh?
I'm trying to imagine this, and I can't get a cross...
Julie
parasta miehelle
Kathleen
Raised by a lapsed catholic and a lukewarm lutheran and I can't get a
cross out of the info posted, either. OTOH, the word, "Amen" invokes a
reflexive ducking of the head and an up, down, left, right motion of the
right hand.
As Austin Powers puts it, "Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch."
Torak
wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:52:50 +0300, Chucky & Janica
>
> >You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
> >of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
> >church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
> >two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
> >nature of Christ.
>
> Buh?
>
> I'm trying to imagine this, and I can't get a cross...
I suspect the idea is to hold the fingers like that - basically a
scout salute, as far as I can tell - while moving the hand in the
traditional four-points-of-the-compass gesture.
ingenious paradox
wrote:
Aaaah, that makes sense.
Ignore stupid up here in the corner...
Julie paradox
amusing misunderstandings since 1972
Chucky & Janica
<khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
>>>of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
>>>church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
>>>two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
>>>nature of Christ.
>>
>>
>> Buh?
>>
>> I'm trying to imagine this, and I can't get a cross...
>
>Raised by a lapsed catholic and a lukewarm lutheran and I can't get a
>cross out of the info posted, either. OTOH, the word, "Amen" invokes a
>reflexive ducking of the head and an up, down, left, right motion of the
>right hand.
>
>As Austin Powers puts it, "Spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch."
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. You press three fingers together (just
realising now that I don't actually know what the fingers are called
in English... the thumb, and the middle finger, and the one in
between) and the remaining two to the palm of your hand. Then you make
the sign of the cross with your hand in that position, touching the
crucial spots with the three fingers.
Chucky & Janica
<julie.w...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> <janica.hin...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>>> >You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
>>> >of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
>>> >church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
>>> >two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
>>> >nature of Christ.
>>>
>>> Buh?
>>>
>>> I'm trying to imagine this, and I can't get a cross...
>>
>>I suspect the idea is to hold the fingers like that - basically a
>>scout salute, as far as I can tell - while moving the hand in the
>>traditional four-points-of-the-compass gesture.
>
>Aaaah, that makes sense.
>
>Ignore stupid up here in the corner...
I obviously wasn't succeeding very well with my explanation. Should've
done this right away:
http://www.oph.fi/etalukio/uskonto/kurssi2/kuvat/2_3_2_ort_ristinmerkki.gif
Nigel Stapley
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:41:41 +0100 ingenious paradox
> <julie.w...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>>> <janica.hin...@kolumbus.finland> wrote:
>>>>> You know how orthodox people place their fingers when making the sign
>>>>> of the cross? The fingers show the most important teachings of the
>>>>> church. Three fingers pressed together symbolising the holy trinity,
>>>>> two fingers pressed against the palm of the hand symbolising the dual
>>>>> nature of Christ.
>>>> Buh?
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to imagine this, and I can't get a cross...
>>> I suspect the idea is to hold the fingers like that - basically a
>>> scout salute, as far as I can tell - while moving the hand in the
>>> traditional four-points-of-the-compass gesture.
>> Aaaah, that makes sense.
>>
>> Ignore stupid up here in the corner...
>
> I obviously wasn't succeeding very well with my explanation. Should've
> done this right away:
>
> http://www.oph.fi/etalukio/uskonto/kurssi2/kuvat/2_3_2_ort_ristinmerkki.gif
>
>
Of course, if you *really* got soul, you'd do it like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Stax-records-logo.jpg
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
<reply-to will bounce>
8'FED
> Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. You press three fingers together (just
> realising now that I don't actually know what the fingers are called
> in English...
There are lots of variations on that. Personally, I was taught to call
them as follows. Doubtless you will hear other names from other people,
after which you can choose the combination you like best.
- Thumb
- Pointer finger
- Middle finger
- Ring finger
- Little finger
Adrian.
Arthur Hagen
> Chucky & Janica wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. You press three fingers together (just
> > realising now that I don't actually know what the fingers are called
> > in English...
>
> There are lots of variations on that. Personally, I was taught to call
> them as follows. Doubtless you will hear other names from other people,
> after which you can choose the combination you like best.
>
> - Thumb
> - Pointer finger
also known as index finger, demonstratus, and either first finger /or/
second finger.
> - Middle finger
also known as long finger, impudicus, birdie and either second
finger /or/ third finger.
> - Ring finger
also known as annularis and either third finger /or/ fourth finger.
> - Little finger
also known as pinkie (pinky in the US), auricularis and either fourth
finger /or/ fifth finger.
The inconsistency between the number of the finger depends on whether
you live somewhere where the thumb is considered a finger, but also
whether you play a musical instrument, and if so, which. A pianist
would normally consider the thumb the first finger, while a violinist
would consider the index finger the first.
Note that "middle finger" only makes sense if you do consider the thumb
a finger, otherwise you're probably better off calling it by one of the
other names.
For the toes, only three of them have names -- big toe, long toe and
little toe. Some only name the big toe.
Regards,
--
*Art
raymond larsson
> Chucky & Janica wrote:
> [...]
> > what the fingers are called in English...
>
> There are lots of variations on that. Personally, I was taught to call
> them as follows. Doubtless you will hear other names from other people,
> after which you can choose the combination you like best.
>
> - Thumb
> - Pointer finger
> - Middle finger
> - Ring finger
> - Little finger
As here, but more often the pointer finger is called the index finger ,
which usually confuses me since in all my books with an index the index
is at the back of the book and I regard my pinkie(lf) as the last
finger.
--
rgl "Misshapen shaped charges and lots of enthusiasm."
'Doc' _The Whiteboard_
Eric Jarvis
a...@broomstick.com says...
>
> The inconsistency between the number of the finger depends on whether
> you live somewhere where the thumb is considered a finger, but also
> whether you play a musical instrument, and if so, which. A pianist
> would normally consider the thumb the first finger, while a violinist
> would consider the index finger the first.
>
There has to be a drummer joke along those lines.
--
eric
Live fast, die only if strictly necessary.
Elliott Grasett
> In article <1223318402.1...@fairy.broomstick.com>,
> a...@broomstick.com says...
>> The inconsistency between the number of the finger depends on whether
>> you live somewhere where the thumb is considered a finger, but also
>> whether you play a musical instrument, and if so, which. A pianist
>> would normally consider the thumb the first finger, while a violinist
>> would consider the index finger the first.
>>
>
> There has to be a drummer joke along those lines.
One, Two, Many /Lots/?
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Eric Jarvis
egra...@wightman.ca says...
I was thinking more in terms of drummers considering the index finger to
be the second thumb.
--
eric
The show's not over until
the brass section reach the bar.
Rocky Frisco
> In article <1223318402.1...@fairy.broomstick.com>,
> a...@broomstick.com says...
>> The inconsistency between the number of the finger depends on whether
>> you live somewhere where the thumb is considered a finger, but also
>> whether you play a musical instrument, and if so, which. A pianist
>> would normally consider the thumb the first finger, while a violinist
>> would consider the index finger the first.
>>
>
> There has to be a drummer joke along those lines.
"Your finger, you fool?"
-Rock
--
esmi
> I was thinking more in terms of drummers considering the index finger to
> be the second thumb.
I'm not sure they consider it a finger at all. More like a permanently
available drumstick.
--
esmi
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Chucky & Janica
Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
translations of the Swedish terms.
They make a bit more sense than the Finnish terms, too. In Finnish the
ring finger is called "nameless".
Arthur Hagen
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:05:47 +1030 "8'FED" <dra...@netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
> > - Thumb
> > - Pointer finger
> > - Middle finger
> > - Ring finger
> > - Little finger
>
> Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
> translations of the Swedish terms.
I thought Swedes called the impudicus "långfinger" and not
"mellanfinger"?
As for remembering the above, keep in mind that "pointer finger" is used
only by a subset of English users. It's more often known as the "index
finger" (except in Oklahoma, where it's presumably known as the trigger
finger). And the little finger is often called pinkie(UK) / pinky(US).
Regards,
--
*Art
Chucky & Janica
wrote:
>> > - Thumb
>> > - Pointer finger
>> > - Middle finger
>> > - Ring finger
>> > - Little finger
>>
>> Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
>> translations of the Swedish terms.
>
>I thought Swedes called the impudicus "långfinger" and not
>"mellanfinger"?
We've always used "mittfinger", or middle finger. It could be a
Swedish-Finnish variation.
>As for remembering the above, keep in mind that "pointer finger" is used
>only by a subset of English users. It's more often known as the "index
>finger" (except in Oklahoma, where it's presumably known as the trigger
>finger). And the little finger is often called pinkie(UK) / pinky(US).
Whereas in Finnish schools, the middle finger is often known as the
"fuck finger".
Elliott Grasett
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:24:51 -0400 Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> - Thumb
>>>> - Pointer finger
>>>> - Middle finger
>>>> - Ring finger
>>>> - Little finger
>>> Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
>>> translations of the Swedish terms.
>> I thought Swedes called the impudicus "långfinger" and not
>> "mellanfinger"?
>
> We've always used "mittfinger", or middle finger. It could be a
> Swedish-Finnish variation.
>
>> As for remembering the above, keep in mind that "pointer finger" is used
>> only by a subset of English users. It's more often known as the "index
>> finger" (except in Oklahoma, where it's presumably known as the trigger
>> finger). And the little finger is often called pinkie(UK) / pinky(US).
>
> Whereas in Finnish schools, the middle finger is often known as the
> "fuck finger".
>
>
> Janica
>
Apparently, at about the time of Willie Shakespeare, the middle finger
was known in English as (metaphorically) the "Smelter Finger".
--
Cheers,
Elliott
Janaina Rudberg
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:24:51 -0400 Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> - Thumb
>>>> - Pointer finger
>>>> - Middle finger
>>>> - Ring finger
>>>> - Little finger
>>> Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
>>> translations of the Swedish terms.
>> I thought Swedes called the impudicus "långfinger" and not
>> "mellanfinger"?
>
> We've always used "mittfinger", or middle finger. It could be a
> Swedish-Finnish variation.
>
that there aren't other dialects that use it, just that it's not prevalent.
I (and everybody I know) use 'långfinger'.
/Janaina
Rocky Frisco
Funny bugger!
-Rock
--
Free Lunch
<janica...@kolumbus.finland> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
>On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:24:51 -0400 Arthur Hagen <a...@broomstick.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> > - Thumb
>>> > - Pointer finger
>>> > - Middle finger
>>> > - Ring finger
>>> > - Little finger
>>>
>>> Thanks for that! I'll remember them now, since they are the exact
>>> translations of the Swedish terms.
>>
>>I thought Swedes called the impudicus "långfinger" and not
>>"mellanfinger"?
>
>We've always used "mittfinger", or middle finger. It could be a
>Swedish-Finnish variation.
>
>>As for remembering the above, keep in mind that "pointer finger" is used
>>only by a subset of English users. It's more often known as the "index
>>finger" (except in Oklahoma, where it's presumably known as the trigger
>>finger). And the little finger is often called pinkie(UK) / pinky(US).
>
>Whereas in Finnish schools, the middle finger is often known as the
>"fuck finger".
That is not unknown in the USA.
Richard Bos
> In article <gcdepu$31ce$1...@mud.stack.nl>, dra...@netyp.com.au says...
>
> > - Thumb
> > - Pointer finger
> > - Middle finger
> > - Ring finger
> > - Little finger
>
> As here, but more often the pointer finger is called the index finger ,
> which usually confuses me since in all my books with an index the index
> is at the back of the book and I regard my pinkie(lf) as the last
> finger.
Index is simply the Latin name for "pointer". The index finger is the
one you use to point, and the index in the back of a book points you at
the places in the book where the word you're looking for can be found.
Richard
Bonzai Kitten
> raymond larsson <ragleg...@sasktel.net> wrote:
> > In article <gcdepu$31c...@mud.stack.nl>, dra...@netyp.com.au says...
>
> > > - Thumb
> > > - Pointer finger
> > > - Middle finger
> > > - Ring finger
> > > - Little finger
>
> > As here, but more often the pointer finger is called the index finger ,
> > which usually confuses me since in all my books with an index the index
> > is at the back of the book and I regard my pinkie(lf) as the last
> > finger.
>
> Index is simply the Latin name for "pointer". The index finger is the
> one you use to point, and the index in the back of a book points you at
> the places in the book where the word you're looking for can be found.
And just because there aren't enough names for it yet, In Oz, quite a
few of us call it the forefinger.
raymond larsson
41b441...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, The.Bonz...@gmail.com
says...
> > The index finger
> And just because there aren't enough names for it yet, In Oz, quite a
> few of us call it the forefinger.
Aaah. Thumb, forefinger, fivefinger, ... .
--
rgl also calls it a forefinger
Torak
> on 06/10/2008 23:19 Eric Jarvis said the following:
>
> > I was thinking more in terms of drummers considering the index finger to
> > be the second thumb.
>
> I'm not sure they consider it a finger at all. More like a permanently
> available drumstick.
It's all true. The thumbs are permanent bass drum beaters, and the
leftover fingers are bouncers. (Fingers don't bounce on desks the way
drumsticks do on drumskins, so you have to use the extra fin... never
mind.)