[I]Experience of shopping?
GaryN
designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
[1]
My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to a shop that
sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in exchange for the goods that I
require. I leave the shop with my new purchase(s). I really don't give a
s**t if there happens to be a bus going past.
I'll give you 10/1 odds that the people who complain about their "Shopping
Experience" being spoiled will be the same ones complaining about how they
can't get a bus to take back the tat that they bought.
gary
[1]At the risk of being branded a Misogynist I suspect that this may be a
question best answered by the ladies on the group, or my SO - Men don't do
shopping.
--
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blank from cover to cover"
The Pub Landlord.
Lesley Weston
> Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
> designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>
> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
> experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
> [1]
>
> My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to a shop that
> sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in exchange for the goods that I
> require. I leave the shop with my new purchase(s). I really don't give a
> s**t if there happens to be a bus going past.
>
> I'll give you 10/1 odds that the people who complain about their "Shopping
> Experience" being spoiled will be the same ones complaining about how they
> can't get a bus to take back the tat that they bought.
"The Liberal Democrats have previously called to make Oxford Street
fully pedestrianised, but the council rejected the idea because of the
strain it would put on nearby roads."
Not to mention the strain put on people having to walk the length of
Oxford St.
>
>
> [1]At the risk of being branded a Misogynist I suspect that this may be a
> question best answered by the ladies on the group, or my SO - Men don't do
> shopping.
>
Speaking as a woman [1][2], I do all the shopping I possibly can on line
to avoid the whole shopping experience. If I weren't so mean, this would
include groceries, but the only grocer that delivers charges for it and
is also far more expensive than the big-box stores that have to be
driven to in person.
[1] The only way I can speak, however growly I try to make my voice.
[2] The term "lady" has to be earned or inherited.
--
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time. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca, adjusting as necessary.
Kevin Wells
GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
>designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>
>How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
>experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
A nightmare more so around Christmas time.
>
>My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to a shop that
>sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in exchange for the goods that I
>require. I leave the shop with my new purchase(s). I really don't give a
>s**t if there happens to be a bus going past.
>
I consider shopping to be like a Commando raid, get in, get what you
want, get out, as quickly as possible.
>
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Sabremeister Brian
Kevin Wells <kevin...@talktalk.net> said:
> In message <Xns9CD6911477FDFg...@212.23.3.119>
> GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
>> designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>>
>> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop
>> spoil "The experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The
>> experience of shopping"?
Oxford Street runs from Hyde Park to Tottenham Court Road, a
distance of about 1.7 miles (or 2.7km). It is virtually straight,
it has four tube stations within a dozen yards of its' main
thoroughfare, it has at least eight landmarks/famous places within
very easy walking distance, not to mention being world-famous for
having large branches of several bign-name shops along it, and
being the start of the A40 (the main road from London to Oxford).
Certainly, you could divert buses onto the nearby (and parallel)
Seymour and Wigmore Streets, and a bit of Mortimer Street, but
they are not actually Oxford Street where all the shops are, and
if you go too far up Mortimer Street, you start getting further
away from Oxford Street. So, yes, if you want to stop buses going
up Oxford Street, you can - but that will mean that people will
probably just take the car or a taxi to do shopping there (because
who wants to lug shopping on the tube?), which will not reduce the
flow of traffic down the road, and will therefore not alter the
"shopping experience" one bit - since the music[1] played in the
shops usually drowns out any passing bus anyway. Perhaps John
Lewis want less customers?
> A nightmare more so around Christmas time.
>
>>
>> My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to
>> a shop that sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in
>> exchange for the goods that I require. I leave the shop with
>> my new purchase(s). I really don't give a s**t if there
>> happens to be a bus going past.
>>
> I consider shopping to be like a Commando raid, get in, get
> what you want, get out, as quickly as possible.
Exactly.
[1] for certain and varying values of "music"
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> In message <Xns9CD6911477FDFg...@212.23.3.119>
> GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
>> designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>>
>> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
>> experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
>
> A nightmare more so around Christmas time.
>
>> My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to a shop that
>> sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in exchange for the goods that I
>> require. I leave the shop with my new purchase(s). I really don't give a
>> s**t if there happens to be a bus going past.
>>
> I consider shopping to be like a Commando raid, get in, get what you
> want, get out, as quickly as possible.
>
>
Yep, me too. Since I live with two females, this often results in
verbal tussles, because at least one of them sees shopping as an
experience in which one enters the mall, gets distracted by something
shiny, spends two hours window shopping, and comes out with four bags
from random stores, none of which are the one that was originally
intended. I often get astonished remarks along the lines of "how do you
*do* it that fast?" when I'm home from the mall in a scant forty-five
minutes.
--
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role-playing games? Strange but true!
Large Dave
> Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
> designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>
> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
> experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
> [1]
>
If It's Oxford street, for me this means:
1) Catch bus to Derby using free bus pass
2) Train from Derby to London.
3) Tube to Oxford Street
4) Shop in the *same shops* that are in Derby (and every other large
town in the known universe)
5) Pay exorbitant London prices for the privilege.
6) Return to Derby
7) Return home using free bus pass
Or I could just omit steps 2 to 6 :-)
SWMBO is of the same opinion
--
Large Dave
This space accidentally left blank
Reader in Invisible Writings
> Can someone explain this to an ignorant, simple, web
> designer/programmer/engineer/biker.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8392389.stm
>
> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
> experience of shopping"? What, exactly, *is* "The experience of shopping"?
> [1]
>
> My experience of shopping is that I know what I want, I go to a shop that
> sells it, I give money to the shopkeeper in exchange for the goods that I
> require. I leave the shop with my new purchase(s). I really don't give a
> s**t if there happens to be a bus going past.
>
> I'll give you 10/1 odds that the people who complain about their "Shopping
> Experience" being spoiled will be the same ones complaining about how they
> can't get a bus to take back the tat that they bought.
>
> gary
>
> [1]At the risk of being branded a Misogynist I suspect that this may be a
> question best answered by the ladies on the group, or my SO - Men don't do
> shopping.
>
was removed, that it is impossible to consider crossing except at the
signal controlled pedestrian crossings. However, due to the congestion
and poor driving vehicles are often stopped across the crossing when
pedestrians get a green man signal. So, if you are on one side of the
road there is a massive disincentive to look in a store on the other
side of the road. You might as well have a wall with automatic doors
that open every 100 seconds, but sometimes just show a wall.
It would help to get the taxis out and just leave the buses.
By the way, if you changed the signal crossings to zebra crossings, it
would work better for pedestrians, even blind ones, but then traffic
would move much slower!
--
Reader in Invisible Writings.. Something to Ponder upon!
Winterbay
Yes, I know that feeling. Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk
and I decided that I needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop,
tried one pair on, they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it.
She was apparently shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
/Winterbay
Daibhid Ceanaideach
Depends what you're shopping for. For me the "shopping experience" means
bookshops, newsagents, the comic shop and possibly video game shops. That
can take some time.
I don't shop for clothes; I already *have* clothes...
--
Dave
"All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman
SteveD
wrote:
>Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk
>and I decided that I needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop,
>tried one pair on, they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it.
>She was apparently shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
Because somewhere, possibly in a realm only accessible to Binky, there
might conceivably exist The Perfect Jeans, and you didn't spend the better
part of a day - or a year - minutely analysing every pair of jeans on the
planet and comparing them to the ideal.
To add insult to injury, you instead used that year to actually wear the
new jeans you bought, and thought they were "good enough", when you even
bothered to think about them at all.
I bet you never even tried to not-so-subtly tried to get friends to notice
your jeans and tell you how good you looked in them, or compared them
obsessively to the size of previous pairs of jeans you'd bought. And
barbarian that you are, you may even have committed the unspeakable crime
of deciding for yourself how they looked on you, instead of bugging other
people for their opinion. For weeks.
Obviously, you have no idea how to REALLY shop for jeans!
-SteveD
SteveD
>How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil "The
>experience of shopping"?
Maybe the shops haven't installed sufficient soundproofing in their
frontage to mute the noise of a popular busy street.
Possible solution: convert all local buses to electric?
-SteveD
Nigel Stapley
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:01:32 +0100, Winterbay <peter....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk
>> and I decided that I needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop,
>> tried one pair on, they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it.
>> She was apparently shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
>
> Because somewhere, possibly in a realm only accessible to Binky, there
> might conceivably exist The Perfect Jeans, and you didn't spend the better
> part of a day - or a year - minutely analysing every pair of jeans on the
> planet and comparing them to the ideal.
Coming soon: "The Search For The Platonic Trousers" by Dan Brown...
--
Regards
Nigel Stapley
<reply-to will bounce>
John Wilkins
Stapley <un...@judgemental.plus.com> wrote:
If this happens, I will hunt you down for crimes against literature.
Reader in Invisible Writings
like to compare with shop B across the road, you can't without having to
stand waiting for a green man signal and then just seeing the side of a
vehicle blocking your route. 3 minutes later (frustrated, from crossing
the road) you go back to shop A and buy the product, or give up!
Therefore, electric won't work. Getting shot of the taxis may help.
Reader in Invisible Writings
future stories! ;-)
GaryN
4ax.com:
I would have thought that all these noisy buses would drive people into
shops.
In fact why not? Ram-Raid Harrods in a bendy bus:-)
"Next stop the perfume counter, we will stop for 3 minutes, all passengers
off, grab what you can before we leave through the loading bay at the rear
of the building. The next stop will be Selfridges[1]"
gary
[1]Do they actually sell fridges?
Lesley Weston
Lesley Weston
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:00:37 -0800,
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Speaking as a woman [1][2], I do all the shopping I possibly can on line
>> [2] The term "lady" has to be earned or inherited.
>
> und tiuret baz dan frowe, als ichz erkenne.
> Swa nu deheiniu si, diu sich ir wipheit schame,
> diu merke disen sanc und kiese denne:
>
> Under frowne sit unwip,
> under wiben sint si tiure.
> Wibes name und wibes lip
> die sint beide vil gehiure.
> Swiez umb alle frowne var,
> wip sint alle frowen gar.
> Zwivellop daz hoenet,
> als under wilen frouwe:
> wip dest ein name ders all kroenet.
Part of my not having earned the title is that I speak just the one
language. So the above may be particularly apt, but I wouldn't know it.
Lesley Weston
> SteveD wrote:
>> On 03 Dec 2009 14:15:48 GMT, GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil
>>> "The experience of shopping"?
>>
>> Maybe the shops haven't installed sufficient soundproofing in their
>> frontage to mute the noise of a popular busy street.
>>
>> Possible solution: convert all local buses to electric?
>>
>>
>> -SteveD
> The problem is having seen a product in shop A that you like, but would
> like to compare with shop B across the road, you can't without having to
> stand waiting for a green man signal
Is it really a Green Man? I wonder if whoever authorised it has done any
reading?
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>Nigel Stapley wrote:
>> SteveD wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:01:32 +0100, Winterbay <peter....@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk and I decided that I
>>>> needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop, tried one pair on,
>>>> they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it. She was apparently
>>>> shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
>>>
>>> Because somewhere, possibly in a realm only accessible to Binky, there
>>> might conceivably exist The Perfect Jeans, and you didn't spend the
>>> better
>>> part of a day - or a year - minutely analysing every pair of jeans on the
>>> planet and comparing them to the ideal.
>>
>> Coming soon: "The Search For The Platonic Trousers" by Dan Brown...
>>
>With exactly the same plot as all his previous books.
Only in the broadest sense...
"The Bad Guys are trying to do something nefarious. The Good Guys have
to figure out the clues and stop them."
Gee... sounds a bit like "the Truth" or "Men at Arms" or "The Fifth
Elephant" or any number of Sherlock Holmes stories.
I can understand not liking Dan Brown's work--tastes differ--but
saying all his plots are the same isn't really accurate.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its
subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden
to know," the end result is tyranny and opression, no matter how holy the motives.
-John Lyle in "If This Goes On--" by Robert Heinlein
Chris Zakes
caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>Reader in Invisible Writings wrote:
>> SteveD wrote:
>>> On 03 Dec 2009 14:15:48 GMT, GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil
>>>> "The experience of shopping"?
>>>
>>> Maybe the shops haven't installed sufficient soundproofing in their
>>> frontage to mute the noise of a popular busy street.
>>>
>>> Possible solution: convert all local buses to electric?
>>>
>>>
>>> -SteveD
>> The problem is having seen a product in shop A that you like, but would
>> like to compare with shop B across the road, you can't without having to
>> stand waiting for a green man signal
>
>Is it really a Green Man? I wonder if whoever authorised it has done any
>reading?
Yes and no. The signal looks like a man walking, done up in green
lights.
So it's one of these:
http://cosmicadventure.com/gallery/albums/album24/Cool_walk_signal.jpg
not one of these:
http://www.angelsandfairies.co.uk/images/largepix/greenman1.jpg
Winterbay
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:08:12 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
>> Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>> SteveD wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:01:32 +0100, Winterbay <peter....@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk and I decided that I
>>>>> needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop, tried one pair on,
>>>>> they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it. She was apparently
>>>>> shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
>>>> Because somewhere, possibly in a realm only accessible to Binky, there
>>>> might conceivably exist The Perfect Jeans, and you didn't spend the
>>>> better
>>>> part of a day - or a year - minutely analysing every pair of jeans on the
>>>> planet and comparing them to the ideal.
>>> Coming soon: "The Search For The Platonic Trousers" by Dan Brown...
>>>
>> With exactly the same plot as all his previous books.
>
> Only in the broadest sense...
>
> "The Bad Guys are trying to do something nefarious. The Good Guys have
> to figure out the clues and stop them."
>
> Gee... sounds a bit like "the Truth" or "Men at Arms" or "The Fifth
> Elephant" or any number of Sherlock Holmes stories.
>
> I can understand not liking Dan Brown's work--tastes differ--but
> saying all his plots are the same isn't really accurate.
>
Well, no not exactly the same but very much predictable:
http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/090929.html
/Winterbay
Reader in Invisible Writings
green figure shows." so PC has got there. However the images shown in ...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_069780.gif
is clearly be-trousered, though I can't immediately think how you would
illustrate an androgynous figure ;-)
John Wilkins
<anony...@example.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:10:07 -0800,
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >A.Reader wrote:
> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:00:37 -0800,
> >> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking as a woman [1][2], I do all the shopping I possibly can on line
> >> ,,,
> >>> [2] The term "lady" has to be earned or inherited.
> >>
> >> Wip muoz iemer sin der wibe hohste name,
> >> und tiuret baz dan frowe, als ichz erkenne.
> >> Swa nu deheiniu si, diu sich ir wipheit schame,
> >> diu merke disen sanc und kiese denne:
> >>
> >> Under frowne sit unwip,
> >> under wiben sint si tiure.
> >> Wibes name und wibes lip
> >> die sint beide vil gehiure.
> >> Swiez umb alle frowne var,
> >> wip sint alle frowen gar.
> >> Zwivellop daz hoenet,
> >> als under wilen frouwe:
> >> wip dest ein name ders all kroenet.
> >
> >Part of my not having earned the title is that I speak just the one
> >language. So the above may be particularly apt, but I wouldn't know it.
>
> I'm sorry, Lesley, for some reason I got confused and thought you
> did speak German.
>
> It was your disclaiming the title 'lady' that reminded me of this
> poem because it *is* apt, and shockingly modern too, especially
> for having been written by a penniless late-12th-century knight!
>
> Loosely translated, he's saying that being called a "woman" is
> more an honor than "lady" and if the reader doesn't think so, she
> should read on and then decide. Then he goes on that many
> "ladies" are unwomanly, but that's never true of women,
> that the ways of women are wonderful and women are ladies by
> nature, and that while calling a woman "lady" is often an attempt
> to subtly insult her [click], calling her a "woman" can never be
> abused that way because "woman" is a term that always crowns.
>
> He was Sir Walther von der Vogelweide, a very thoughtful,
> perceptive, and warm-hearted man. Astonishingly so for his time
> and class.
From what little I know, it's rather archaic German as well, right?
Andy Davison
> 1) Catch bus to Derby using free bus pass 2) Train from Derby to London.
> 3) Tube to Oxford Street
> 4) Shop in the *same shops* that are in Derby (and every other large
> town in the known universe)
> 5) Pay exorbitant London prices for the privilege. 6) Return to Derby
> 7) Return home using free bus pass
>
> Or I could just omit steps 2 to 6
>
> SWMBO is of the same opinion
Should be: 1a) Go in the Brunswick and have a pint or two
Then omit steps 2 to 6 thus saving the cost of the pint or two.
--
Andy Davison
andy [ at ] oiyou [ dot ] ukfsn [ dot ] org
GaryN
news:hfd8pu$npk$1...@mud.stack.nl:
> /documents/digitalasset/dg_069780.gif is clearly be-trousered, though
> I can't immediately think how you would illustrate an androgynous
> figure ;-)
I thought that 'the green man' *was* an androgynous figure (as related
to traffic signals). There's no willy and no tits showing, therefore
androgynous.
No doubt the PC brigade will demand at some point that the Green Cross
Code should be rewritten with a black, lesbian, single mother as the
character who tells their kids to take care crossing the road.
"Look both ways before crossing" is a basic safety message - who cares
who says it?
gary
Lesley Weston
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:10:07 -0800,
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> A.Reader wrote:
>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:00:37 -0800,
>>> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking as a woman [1][2], I do all the shopping I possibly can on line
>>> ,,,
>>>> [2] The term "lady" has to be earned or inherited.
>>> Wip muoz iemer sin der wibe hohste name,
>>> und tiuret baz dan frowe, als ichz erkenne.
>>> Swa nu deheiniu si, diu sich ir wipheit schame,
>>> diu merke disen sanc und kiese denne:
>>>
>>> Under frowne sit unwip,
>>> under wiben sint si tiure.
>>> Wibes name und wibes lip
>>> die sint beide vil gehiure.
>>> Swiez umb alle frowne var,
>>> wip sint alle frowen gar.
>>> Zwivellop daz hoenet,
>>> als under wilen frouwe:
>>> wip dest ein name ders all kroenet.
>> Part of my not having earned the title is that I speak just the one
>> language. So the above may be particularly apt, but I wouldn't know it.
>
> did speak German.
I wish!
>
> It was your disclaiming the title 'lady' that reminded me of this
> poem because it *is* apt, and shockingly modern too, especially
> for having been written by a penniless late-12th-century knight!
>
> Loosely translated, he's saying that being called a "woman" is
> more an honor than "lady" and if the reader doesn't think so, she
> should read on and then decide. Then he goes on that many
> "ladies" are unwomanly, but that's never true of women,
> that the ways of women are wonderful and women are ladies by
> nature, and that while calling a woman "lady" is often an attempt
> to subtly insult her [click], calling her a "woman" can never be
> abused that way because "woman" is a term that always crowns.
>
> He was Sir Walther von der Vogelweide, a very thoughtful,
> perceptive, and warm-hearted man. Astonishingly so for his time
> and class.
That's lovely! And it is very apt. In the same vein, I've tried to
convey from time to time how calling a man "Sir" when performing some
service for him is an insult, but people don't seem to get it.
Lesley Weston
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:12:32 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
>> Reader in Invisible Writings wrote:
>>> SteveD wrote:
>>>> On 03 Dec 2009 14:15:48 GMT, GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How the Hell can busses passing by when you are inside a shop spoil
>>>>> "The experience of shopping"?
>>>> Maybe the shops haven't installed sufficient soundproofing in their
>>>> frontage to mute the noise of a popular busy street.
>>>>
>>>> Possible solution: convert all local buses to electric?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -SteveD
>>> The problem is having seen a product in shop A that you like, but would
>>> like to compare with shop B across the road, you can't without having to
>>> stand waiting for a green man signal
>> Is it really a Green Man? I wonder if whoever authorised it has done any
>> reading?
>
> Yes and no. The signal looks like a man walking, done up in green
> lights.
>
> So it's one of these:
> http://cosmicadventure.com/gallery/albums/album24/Cool_walk_signal.jpg
Like the white man we have in Vancouver in the same situation, so as to
offend as many people as possible in one go.
>
> not one of these:
> http://www.angelsandfairies.co.uk/images/largepix/greenman1.jpg
Shame, really.
Lesley Weston
Looks naked to me, in either colour. And, except in certain unpleasant
countries, men can wear skirts and women can wear trousers. Doesn't it
cause confusion that the exact same signal is used for "Cross with
care" and "Do not start to cross"?
Lesley Weston
You forgot pregnant, deaf and in a wheel-chair.
>
> "Look both ways before crossing" is a basic safety message - who cares
> who says it?
Local authorities, apparently.
Lesley Weston
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:08:12 -0800, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> to write:
>
>> Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>> SteveD wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:01:32 +0100, Winterbay <peter....@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Before I dated my SO we went out for a walk and I decided that I
>>>>> needed a pair of new jeans. I enetered a shop, tried one pair on,
>>>>> they fit perfectly, I bought them and thatw as it. She was apparently
>>>>> shocked that you could shop in this manner :)
>>>> Because somewhere, possibly in a realm only accessible to Binky, there
>>>> might conceivably exist The Perfect Jeans, and you didn't spend the
>>>> better
>>>> part of a day - or a year - minutely analysing every pair of jeans on the
>>>> planet and comparing them to the ideal.
>>> Coming soon: "The Search For The Platonic Trousers" by Dan Brown...
>>>
>> With exactly the same plot as all his previous books.
>
> Only in the broadest sense...
>
> "The Bad Guys are trying to do something nefarious. The Good Guys have
> to figure out the clues and stop them."
The same nefarious thing and the same clues.
>
> Gee... sounds a bit like "the Truth" or "Men at Arms" or "The Fifth
> Elephant" or any number of Sherlock Holmes stories.
Not really. TP can write, and that includes using an entirely new plot
for each book.
>
> I can understand not liking Dan Brown's work--tastes differ--but
> saying all his plots are the same isn't really accurate.
The names differ and the countries in which the story takes place. But
to be fair, I've only read one and a third of his books; the others
could be entirely different, though I don't suppose the quality of the
writing is any easier to take.
Brian Howlett
> Doesn't it cause confusion that the exact same signal is used for
> "Cross with care" and "Do not start to cross"?
In the latter case, the light is flashing.
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
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Watch out...
...you might get what you're after...
GaryN
news:hfe0ee$18to$1...@mud.stack.nl:
<snip>
> That's lovely! And it is very apt. In the same vein, I've tried to
> convey from time to time how calling a man "Sir" when performing some
> service for him is an insult, but people don't seem to get it.
At this point I will not make the joke about talking with your mouth
full...;-)
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> I thought that 'the green man' *was* an androgynous figure (as related
> to traffic signals). There's no willy and no tits showing, therefore
> androgynous.
>
> No doubt the PC brigade will demand at some point that the Green Cross
> Code should be rewritten with a black, lesbian, single mother as the
> character who tells their kids to take care crossing the road.
Speaking as a member of the PC brigade, not me. Most of the things the PC
brigade supposedly demand are actually made up by the anti-PC brigade in
order to get upset about something.
> "Look both ways before crossing" is a basic safety message - who cares
> who says it?
Quite so.
--
Dave
"All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman
Nigel Stapley
> In the same vein, I've tried to
> convey from time to time how calling a man "Sir" when performing some
> service for him is an insult, but people don't seem to get it.
>
That's because you didn't preface it with "La,"
Chris Zakes
If you've only read one and a third of his books, then you really have
no business pontificating about the content of the others. The most
you can say is "I didn't like the one I read, so I haven't bothered to
read any of his other books."
-Chris Zakes
Texas
Man's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions.
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
Daibhid Ceanaideach
Well, the *most* she can say is "I didn't like the one I read, I read
another one to give him a chance, but by a third of the way in it seemed
to be exactly the same so I gave up".
Nigel Stapley
So how long are you required to bang your head against a wall before
being 'qualified' to say, "Ouch!"?
Simon Lamont
I *have* read all of them except the latest and the plots are so similar
it's risible. Main character (a scientist/professor) gets drawn into
investigating an apparent conspiracy, and someone close to their
investigation who starts off as a helper/source-of-knowledge (often
badly researched by Brown) turns out to be the villain. The names and
settings change, but that's about it. If you've only read one, you don't
*need* to read the rest.
GaryN
news:Xns9CD8C42AF2578da...@130.133.1.4:
> On 05 Dec 2009, GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought that 'the green man' *was* an androgynous figure (as
>> related to traffic signals). There's no willy and no tits showing,
>> therefore androgynous.
>>
>> No doubt the PC brigade will demand at some point that the Green
>> Cross Code should be rewritten with a black, lesbian, single mother
>> as the character who tells their kids to take care crossing the road.
>
> Speaking as a member of the PC brigade, not me. Most of the things the
> PC brigade supposedly demand are actually made up by the anti-PC
> brigade in order to get upset about something.
>
>> "Look both ways before crossing" is a basic safety message - who
>> cares who says it?
>
> Quite so.
>
I'm not anti PC as long as the PC stuff is restrained within sensible
limits. Why does Cameron insist that 'x' number of candidates should be
women? Surely the best person for the job should be the candidate put
forward, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, race, religion or anything
else[1].
Lunacy.
gary
[1]Examples of getting this wrong would be Gordon Brown and Harriet
Harperson.
Lesley Weston
> On 5 Dec, Lesley Weston wrote:
>
>> Doesn't it cause confusion that the exact same signal is used for
>> "Cross with care" and "Do not start to cross"?
>
> In the latter case, the light is flashing.
That makes more sense, though a still picture didn't really convey it.
Lesley Weston
But I have! I read a whole third of his next book (well... maybe it
wasn't much more than a quarter), which is how I know that the plot is
the same and the writing just as execrable. Of course all his other
books could have completely new plots and be beautifully written, but
I'm not going to bother to find out, as you say. I loved the first
movie, though.
Lesley Weston
Lesley Weston
Though that one was exciting enough to keep me reading it to the end
even through the terrible writing, and to make me start another one.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston <brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:hfe0ee$18to$1...@mud.stack.nl:
>
> <snip>
>> That's lovely! And it is very apt. In the same vein, I've tried to
>> convey from time to time how calling a man "Sir" when performing some
>> service for him is an insult, but people don't seem to get it.
>
> At this point I will not make the joke about talking with your mouth
> full...;-)
Better if you don't make that joke, yes.
Lesley Weston
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> In the same vein, I've tried to
>> convey from time to time how calling a man "Sir" when performing some
>> service for him is an insult, but people don't seem to get it.
>>
>
> That's because you didn't preface it with "La,"
>
Free Lunch
<brightly_co...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in alt.fan.pratchett:
I've read a few of his books. I agree that he often makes up for his
terrible characterizations and bad writing with exciting stories. George
Lucas, of course, has been famously successful at this.
Free Lunch
>from man. 18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from
>perishing by the sword.
>
>As all life ending in death is meaningless without purpose unless it
>is in his purpose:
>
> 2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not
>according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
>which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
>
>But at the same time I support Darwinism as a scientist I am a
>passionate ANTI-DARWINIAN when it comes to politics and how we should
>conduct our human affairs."
>
>Why is that? I am a creationist and where the scriptures apply in
>context to every man, they should be lived to the fullest!
>
>Ro 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in
>the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you,
>live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
>but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is
>mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy
>hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou
>shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but
>overcome evil with good.
>
>"I would not like to live in a society which is run on Darwinian
>principles while fully acknowledging that the brains and bodies that
>we possess were put there by Darwinian principles in the first place".
>
>Neither would I it would be savage, merciless and terrifying, never
>the less!
>
>Isa 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the
>owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the
>desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. 21 This people have I
>formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
>
>It is very difficult to live with ape men for the savage beast is not
>tamed but by God!
>
>Jas 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great
>things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the
>tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our
>members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the
>course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.7 For every kind of
>beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is
>tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8 But the tongue can no man
>tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless
>we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made
>after the similitude of God.
>
>Again I love and greatly appreciate living with Christians that
>believe and practice Christianity!
>
>1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth
>through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye
>love one another with a pure heart fervently:
>
>The three national powers in the history of civilization with life,
>liberty, prosperity and justice for their society among the powers of
>the earth were America, England and Israel of antiquity all were based
>on the laws of God.
>
>De 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the
>LORD my God commanded me that ye should do so in the land whither ye
>go to possess it. 6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your
>wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall
>hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise
>and understanding people. 7 For what nation is there so great, who
>hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that
>we call upon him for? 8 And what nation is there so great, that hath
>statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set
>before you this day?
>
>"If you try to apply the lessons of Social Darwinism as the social
>Darwinists did to human society, then you end up with a kind of a
>super ("Netherlanders and ape men").
>
>Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
>of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force
>.
>Some evolutionist are very good representatives for the cause of
>evolution because when their imageries are challenged they act just
>like animals which would be very strong evidence that we descended
>from rocks and apes!
>
>Ps 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.
>
>I believe it was Abby Hoffman who once said, "There are just some
>times in life when the only reasonable response is, "Fuck you."
>
>Thank you for revealing your beastly heart now there is the missing
>link a true Neanderthal cave man a real ape man if I ever saw one the
>missing link!
>
>Ps 109:17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he
>delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
>
>When beasts do not have a clue frustration compels them to use
>superlatives!
>
>Ps 10:4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not
>seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. 5 His ways are always
>grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his
>enemies, he puffeth at them. 6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not
>be moved: for I shall never be in adversity. 7 His mouth is full of
>cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
>
>I can clearly see why he certainly does not want to find out God
>exists!
>
>Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the
>world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds
>were evil.
>
>Son I met Abby Hoffman in Auburn, NY once and when he told me that God
>was a single black woman. I told him that he greatly erred in not
>knowing the scriptures! The Scriptures teach that God is a spirit!
>
>Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him
>in spirit and in truth.
>Shortly after I spoke with him he committed suicide as he was a very
>bitter middle age revolutionary with no purpose!
>
>Job 10:1 My soul is weary of my life; I will leave my complaint upon
>myself; I will speak in the bitterness of my soul.
>
>What is good for the goose is good for the gander! Some men have the
>understanding to be reciprocal others ignorantly do not. Christians
>call this the doctrine of reciprocity!
>
>Mt 7:12 � Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
>to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
>
> Now some of the evolutionists on this site are somewhat reasonable
>and are trying to be honest, the rest are greatly lacking in grace!
>
>Re 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
>
>There are still a number of competing theories about what the first
>living organisms could be; see, for example: We don't yet have a
>definitive answer.
>
>TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!
>
>Ec 3:11 � He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath
>set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work
>that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAH_world_hypothesis.
>
>Now this statement by one of you I accept, it is true and honest! As a
>Biblical creationist I may not agree with what you say but I will
>defend to the death your right to say it. BUT, If you have a number
>of competing theories then you have no conclusive definitive
>demonstrable fact and everyone else has the same right to believe and
>say what their theory is. My theory is that a literal reading of the
>Authorized 1611 KJV bible is a valid theory to origins and I believe
>it much stronger than you do because I only have one theory that has
>never been proven wrong. Where many of your theories are history!
>
> Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not
>pass away.
>
>Try giving science equal time--and study it just as much for a few
>months.
>You will be rewarded.
>
>Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of
>these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath
>commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
>
>Why don�t you? Give the Bible the same grace as you ask of others I
>was a evolutionist for the first twenty four years of my life! I will
>take your questions and answer then in simple language and no
>hyperlinks as I know enough about the scriptures to answer you. It is
>obvious most of you do not have a good knowledge of science and you
>must pass me of into cyber land because you are not proficient!
>
>Example:
>
> Really? Why did he make 75% of it to be undrinkable seawater then?
>
>Think simple like Algae & Oxygen to start, with where there is no
>oxygen the Brain dies!
>
>When you begin to think for yourself it will amaze you what you will
>discover as there is much more truth to be revealed!
>
>Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the
>breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
>Example:
>
>What for? Do you think that God condemns people for using their
>intellect?
>
>No,
>
>God wants you to have knowledge, wisdom, and understanding! Most of
>all he does not want men to be ignorant of him so he wrote a book to
>reveal himself to men.
>
>Pr 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of
>understanding; 3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and
>judgment, and equity; 4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young
>man knowledge and discretion. 5 A wise man will hear, and will
>increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise
>counsels: 6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words
>of the wise, and their dark sayings.
>
>What makes you think a man is using his intellect when he imagines
>error? It is mans imagination that is your problem?
>
>Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
>and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
>continually.
>
>Anyone who claims that the first humans were created in a viable state
>with no parents or community to support them until they learned life
>skills has the burden of explaining how that is possible without those
>first humans having *learned* them, but having the false memories of
>having learned them.
>
>Why would say something so lacking of education you should have
>learned about instinct in grade school better go back and get
>reeducated! Instinct is the inherent disposition of a living organism
>toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned
>and inherited. Next question?
>
>Ps 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
>marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
>
>True. The distinction to be made is between necessary omphalism and
>unnecessary omphalism. The former is needed for a poofed creation to
>function at all; the latter can have the purpose only to deceive. You
>have mentioned some necessary omphalism. But there would be no need
>for those created trees to have rings, for example, especially rings
>that could be correlated from tree to tree. Sediments might be needed
>to provide a medium for plant growth, but there would be no need for
>them to be layered, or to contain fossils, or any other signs of
>transport and deposition. Etc.
>
> Don�t the rings give more strength and flexibility to the structure!
>Why are we trying so much to use big words? Here are some real big
>words! Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny big words often reveal a lack
>of intelligence and no understanding of the subject matter!
>
>Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And
>changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
>corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
>things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the
>lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
>themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped
>and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed
>forever. Amen.
>Many use big words to cover up ignorance of subject matter if you
>understand something you should be able to say it in clear simple
>language. Look any one can grab a dictionary or encyclopedia to fake
>the brains they do not have! Reading and speaking big words does not
>mean you are capable of thinking!
>
>The Omphalos hypothesis was named after the title of an 1857 book,
>Omphalos by Philip Henry Gosse, in which Gosse argued that in order
>for the world to be "functional", God must have created the Earth with
>mountains and canyons, trees with growth rings, Adam and Eve with
>hair, fingernails, and navels (omphalos is Greek for "navel"), and
>that therefore no evidence that we can see of the presumed age of the
>earth and universe can be taken as reliable. The idea has seen some
>revival in the twentieth century by some modern creationists, who have
>extended the argument to light that appears to originate in far-off
>stars and galaxies (although other creationists reject this explanation
>[1]). Many creationists believe that Adam and Eve had no navels, and
>that the trees in the Garden of Eden had no growth rings.
>
> Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his
>sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with
>whom we have to do.
>
>Experience reveals that when a young woman losses her virginity she
>attempts to cover it up by acting like a virgin. If you don�t believe
>me ask any whore like Madonna as she acts just like a virgin, for the
>very first time. Men who have lost their faculties often use big words
>to cover up their deficiency, best to reveal thoughts in simple words
>of understanding!
>
>1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my
>understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten
>thousand words in an unknown tongue.
>
>Which person do you consider to be your redeemer? Jesus Christ!
>
>1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have
>fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
>cleanseth us from all sin.
>
>No one owes you a discussion. No one owes you a free education. You
>are a lying sack of shit and the people on here have been much too
>nice to you, including me.
>
>Obama thinks we all deserve a free education, I bet you probably voted
>for him he was progressive in his thinking!
>
>Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
>you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
>despitefully use you, and persecute you;
>
>But, then I do not owe you a response, but you got one for free
>without malice that is not being progressive it is just being nice und
>un-ape like!
>
>1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always
>to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope
>that is in you with meekness and fear:
>
>Your lack of consideration is noted already, and what does the Bible
>have to do with any discussion about any scientific theory?
>
>Everything:
>
> Joh 1:1 � In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
>and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All
>things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
>was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.5 � And
>the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
>
>Please go learn exactly what "bearing false wittness" means in the
>context of the bible. It means lying. Don't you know the "context"
>yourself?
>
> I do and it is making a liar out of God:
>
>1Jo 5:10 � He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in
>himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he
>believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the
>record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in
>his Son. :12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the
>Son of God hath not life.
>
> What does it actually matter to the current life of anyone whether
>God created you or you evolved from a primordial organism?
>
>It matters more than you know!
>
>Mt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
>speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
>
>If you think you can refute any scientific position, you are welcome
>to try. But refutation requires evidence. Do you have any?
>
>Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence
>of things not seen.
>As a Christian I do not refute science I have a very high standard for
>science much higher than evolutionists! Science in a general sense, is
>knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of
>truth or facts by the mind. The science of God must be perfect.
>Einstein said that no concept had meaning unless it could be
>demonstrated on that statement I agree 100%. For a Biblical
>creationist with high standards Science is a body of knowledge that
>has been gathered and correlated from Observable Phenomena that has
>been demonstrated to be factual! Like the laws of Biogenesis or the
>laws of Thermodynamics!
>
>1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
>avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
>falsely so called:
>
>Theories are not science they are imaginations of human minds they are
>just a guess on the undiscovered and remain that until they are
>demonstrated to be factual then they become science.
>
>THEORY, n. [L. theoria; Gr. to see or contemplate. Speculation; a
>doctrine or scheme of things, which terminates in speculation or
>contemplation, without a view to practice. It is here taken in an
>unfavorable sense, as implying something visionary. The philosophical
>explanation of phenomena, either physical or moral; as Lavoisier's
>theory of combustion; Smith's theory of moral sentiments.
>
>Ro 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as
>God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
>their foolish heart was darkened.
>
>The "first living organism" was most likely a colony of self
>replicating molecules in an alkaline vent. What details do you want?
>
>Most likely? I believe that it is most likely to find the first living
>organism in a garden where it can sustain itself until it can
>reproduce itself!
>
>Ge 2:8 � And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there
>he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the
>LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good
>for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the
>tree of knowledge of good and evil.
>Give me your data that you have from the empirical method, but I doubt
>you have any facts to tie your data to evolution just theory
>
>Empirical method is generally taken to mean the collection of data on
>which to base a theory or derive a conclusion in science. It is part
>of the scientific method, but is often mistakenly assumed to be
>synonymous with the experimental method. The empirical method is not
>sharply defined and is often contrasted with the precision of the
>experimental method, where data are derived from the systematic
>manipulation of variables in an experiment. Some of the difficulty in
>discussing the empirical method is from the ambiguity of the meaning
>of its linguist root.
>
>We don't know how life arose. The most likely scenarios all involve
>natural chemical processes generating the necessary building blocks of
>life from simpler chemicals, and in turn, these chemicals formed
>systems that had both the quality of self replication and metabolism.
>The process of reproduction and natural selection had to have become
>operative at some point in this process, but it is not clear when this
>was. This process is viewed as being the origin of the cell. There
>seems to be only one basic model of "cell". After that it is all
>mutation and natural selection.
>
>Very honest statements I agree with you so where do you see a
>contradiction in my Bible with factual demonstrable scientific
>evidence?
>
>The contradiction is between "interpretations of the Bible" and
>scientific results. If people insist that their interpretation of the
>Genesis as history, and insist on a young-earth global-flood view of
>the history of the world, then this is really not defensible from a
>scientific perspective. The notion of a global flood is a dead issue,
>and physical evidence is more consistent on all fronts with the earth
>being of great age.
>Are you sure we could start with the Austin chalk! You are aware of
>the Austin chalk?
>
>And if scientists find out that the Earth is billions of years old and
>that life evolved, then aren't YOU calling God a liar to suggest that
>the universe is some other way?
>
>No! Evolution has because creation and are not computable unless you
>are political but rational minds can discern their differences. Since
>evolution has not been proven only theorized is many different ways so
>and it is not so proven so, then God is a liar. Please read the first
>chapter of his revelation.
>
>Ge 1:1 � In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
>
> Do you really think God wants us to deny scientific facts? And if
>so, why?
>
>Absolutely not! Ps 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou
>art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
>
> Only science falsely so called!
>
>1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
>avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
>falsely so called:
>
>The Vatican does not agree with you.
>
>They are political I am not political I am a true believer remember
>the persecution of Galileo!
>
>Their chief astronomer, Francisco Ayala, is a devout Catholic (of
>course!) who accepts the Theory of Evolution. He's not alone; that's
>the Vatican's official position.
>
>God Sais he is willingly ignorant do not say I said he is ignorant!
>
>12Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of
>God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water
>and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed
>with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
>by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day
>of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
>
>Vatican rewrites history to insist it did not persecute Galileo. The
>belief that the Catholic church persecuted Galileo for pointing out
>that the Earth goes round the Sun was quite wrong, the new secretary
>of the Vatican's Doctrinal Congregation, Archbishop Angelo Amato, has
>claimed.citing a letter recently discovered in the Vatican's archive,
>Archbishop Amato, who heads the body formerly known as the Holy Office
>- or the Inquisition - said it proved the church had treated him very
>well. Yes they gave him a offer he could not refuse and notice the
>scientific method applied with the new discovered letter! The letter,
>sent by the Commissioner of the Holy Office to Cardinal Francesco
>Barberini in 1633, expressed the Pope's concern that the trial of the
>scientist accused of heresy be concluded quickly as his health was
>poor. Why was his health poor? Archbishop Amato told the Italian
>weekly La Famiglia Cristiana that the letter proved that the church's
>attitude to the great astronomer was benign. The idea, he said, that
They aren't.
Chris Zakes
>Chris Zakes wrote:
Huh? "I didn't like the one I read, so I haven't bothered to read any
of his other books" is a perfectly valid response. I do that
frequently with new authors--try them out, and if I don't like them, I
don't bother reading any more of their work.
But if you've only read 1.33 books you're really not qualified to
denounce *all* the books as having identical plot lines. What's that
bit about judging a book by its cover?
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9CD8C42AF2578da...@130.133.1.4:
>
>> On 05 Dec 2009, GaryN <ga...@scaryriders.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought that 'the green man' *was* an androgynous figure (as
>>> related to traffic signals). There's no willy and no tits showing,
>>> therefore androgynous.
>>>
>>> No doubt the PC brigade will demand at some point that the Green
>>> Cross Code should be rewritten with a black, lesbian, single mother
>>> as the character who tells their kids to take care crossing the
>>> road.
>>
>> Speaking as a member of the PC brigade, not me. Most of the things
>> the PC brigade supposedly demand are actually made up by the anti-PC
>> brigade in order to get upset about something.
>>
>>> "Look both ways before crossing" is a basic safety message - who
>>> cares who says it?
>>
>> Quite so.
>>
>
> I'm not anti PC as long as the PC stuff is restrained within sensible
> limits. Why does Cameron insist that 'x' number of candidates should
> be women? Surely the best person for the job should be the candidate
> put forward, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, race, religion or
> anything else[1].
>
> Lunacy.
Because Cameron is a misogynist *posing* as a member of the PC brigade,
and secretly doesn't believe a woman *could* become a candidate without
assistance.
Carol Hague
> I'm not anti PC as long as the PC stuff is restrained within sensible
> limits. Why does Cameron insist that 'x' number of candidates should be
> women? Surely the best person for the job should be the candidate put
> forward, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, race, religion or anything
> else[1].
Yes. The important thing is not that a set number of candidates should
be women (or disabled people, or specific ethnicities or any combination
of these) but that if the right person for the job should happen to *be*
a woman (or minority group of any sort) that they should have the
opportunity to become a candidate.
This hasn't always been the case, and I imagine that's what the quota
thing is a rather clumsy attempt to address. I'm not saying it's a good
thing in itself, but hopefully they'll come up with something better at
some point.
--
Carol. www.mullimages.com
"This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong".
It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
SteveD
wrote:
>But if you've only read 1.33 books you're really not qualified to
>denounce *all* the books as having identical plot lines. What's that
>bit about judging a book by its cover?
But when hundreds of other people, including many whose opinions you have
come to respect over the years, have independently arrived at the same
conclusion after actually reading the books, might not the task of
repeating the experiment drop down one's priority list - potentially to
below "shampooing the cat"?
-SteveD
Daibhid Ceanaideach
I don't think Chris is saying Lesley *has* to read all Dan Brown's books
before concluding she doesn't like them, just that she can't then comment
on the entire series as though from her own experience.
She can, of course, say "From what I've heard...", just as I did in the
discussion of Fallen Angels.
--
Dave
People say nothing rhymes with orange, but it doesn't.
Robert Carnegie
> Brian Howlett wrote:
> > On 5 Dec, Lesley Weston wrote:
> >
> >> Doesn't it cause confusion that the exact same signal is used for
> >> "Cross with care" and "Do not start to cross"?
> >
> > In the latter case, the light is flashing.
>
> That makes more sense, though a still picture didn't really convey it.
It should be shown with twinkle lines drawn around it, like Spider-
Man's famous Spider-Sense. (Except that the little man's face doesn't
become half Spider-Man mask, the division being vertical.)
As for cutting the buses, retailers usually complain when vehicle
traffic is excluded. I think the bottom line is that retailers
complain. And Oxford Street has been what it is before most of them
were there, so they knew what they were getting into.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> Lesley Weston wrote:
>> Brian Howlett wrote:
>> > On 5 Dec, Lesley Weston wrote:
>> >
>> >> Doesn't it cause confusion that the exact same signal is used for
>> >> "Cross with care" and "Do not start to cross"?
>> >
>> > In the latter case, the light is flashing.
>>
>> That makes more sense, though a still picture didn't really convey
>> it.
>
> It should be shown with twinkle lines drawn around it, like Spider-
> Man's famous Spider-Sense. (Except that the little man's face doesn't
> become half Spider-Man mask, the division being vertical.)
Yes, but just like the Spider-sense indicator, this indication doesn't
actually convey what it's meant to indicate unless you *already know*
that that's what it indicates[1].
The image provided earlier in the thread,
<http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/
@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_069780.gif>, is particularly bad; it looks
like the green man gets *brighter* to warn that you shouldn't start to
cross.
[1]This is why Spidey's twinkle lines are always accompanied by a thought
bubble (or, more recently, one of those kewl new first-person narration
captions) reading "My spider-sense is tingling!"
Robert Carnegie
> The image provided earlier in the thread,
> <http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/
> @en/documents/digitalasset/dg_069780.gif>, is particularly bad; it looks
> like the green man gets *brighter* to warn that you shouldn't start to
> cross.
Hmm, yes. This is closer to how I think it used to be shown:
<http://www.edu.dudley.gov.uk/roadsafety/pelican.htm>
Once near the top of that page, again - in a different style - near
the bottom.
> [1]This is why Spidey's twinkle lines are always accompanied by a thought
> bubble (or, more recently, one of those kewl new first-person narration
> captions) reading "My spider-sense is tingling!"
Well, sometimes it's moderately clear what's going on... no, you're
right, it isn't. You wouldn't naturally connect a version of migraine
onset symptoms with escaping deadly danger.
Richard Bos
> As for cutting the buses, retailers usually complain when vehicle
> traffic is excluded. I think the bottom line is that retailers
> complain. And Oxford Street has been what it is before most of them
> were there, so they knew what they were getting into.
Has it, though? Granted, most of the chain shops probably have a pretty
high turnover, but ISTR that the first time I visited Oxford Street, it
was considerably more congested than now.
Richard
Carol Hague
Last time I visited Oxford Street the pavements were pretty congested
too - if you weren't careful you just got swept along by the crowd and
you had to make a determined effort to actually get into any given shop.
As for crossing the road, it was barely an option, and not because of
the vehicles...