IE is a disaster
R. Hickey
It comes installed on the computer, so I figured I'd play with it and have
some sort of backup browser.
Whew! There ain't nothin' easy. When I connect to a site and then connect
to another, it didn't automatically display a new tab (like FF). I had to
manually -- as far as I could tell -- click the tab thingie on the address
bar or else it would just replace the current site in the same tab.
And add-ons. Besides being severely limited in number and type, some are
NOT free and there was a price structure. No thanks.
How anyone could prefer IE over FF is a mystery to me.
Thanks for this kick ass browser. Better AND at no cost.
Robert
Jim S
You cannot have it set up correctly.
I use Firefox and or Seamonkey, but they are a PITA because of the
necessity of having to use add-ons just to get what IE7 does out of the
box.
I would be using IE7 if it were not for the damn silly toolbar they
installed in version 7.
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Frank
IE 7 that came with my new computer 6 months ago was a disaster. I
could not configure the way I wanted and it was gawd awful slow. I had
become a FF fan before getting computer and afterwards only problem I've
had is getting rid of threads to IE. TB for ng browser and Eudora for
email work great.
Frank
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> Maybe it's just me and my inexperience and time spent with IE but it
> sucks!
>
> It comes installed on the computer, so I figured I'd play with it and have
> some sort of backup browser.
>
> Whew! There ain't nothin' easy. When I connect to a site and then connect
> to another, it didn't automatically display a new tab (like FF). I had to
> manually -- as far as I could tell -- click the tab thingie on the address
> bar or else it would just replace the current site in the same tab.
>
> And add-ons. Besides being severely limited in number and type, some are
> NOT free and there was a price structure. No thanks.
>
IE 7 has some nice features missing in IE 6, although I don't like the
fact that you cannot move the URL bar. However, I gave up on IE as my
default browser years ago. Firefox is light-years ahead in terms of easy of
use and being able to customize the browser.
Scott Nelson
Microsoft wants. I started using both Firefox and Thunderbird 3 years
ago and have never looked back.
Scott
Leonidas Jones
Yet, it is customizability through extensions that is the true beuaty of
the applications. One user's must have function is another's waste of
space. Why should I have features that I don't use?
Lee
Jim S
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:41:45 GMT, Jim S wrote:
>
>> I would be using IE7 if it were not for the damn silly toolbar they
>> installed in version 7.
>
> Have you tried the new version of IE7Pro released a couple of weeks
> ago? I'm trying the new 64-bit version of IE7Pro on Vista here, just
> to see what it's like, even though I don't use IE7 much, I do think
> it's an improvement over IE6. IE7Pro adds (optional) extra
> functionality for things like tabbed browsing, inline searching, mouse
> gestures, keyboard shortcuts, keywords/shortcuts and filtering just to
> name a few, but nothing about the toolbar I think you're referring to.
> I didn't like the command bar being where it was, but got used to it,
> but don't like being unable to search favourites within IE7.
Sorry, when I spoke of "out of the box" I was making a point about
simplicity.
I do use IE7Pro, but it's not essential.
I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I cannot
see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
which gives the option.
Jim S
Hi Lee
Of course I see your point and for we who understand this, there is no
problem.
However if my Auntie Maisie wants a browser (for Auntie Maisie substitute
the technically challenged office temp or my mate Ernie), the idea of
add-ons would be the equivalent of re-wiring a house.
Jim S
> IE does NOT have tabs, unless you use one of the shareware overlays.
> I am speaking about IE6 (or 5.x). I havce never used IE7.
>
The whole point about IE7 is that it does have tabs and can be compared
like with like to FF.
Ed Mullen
> Maybe it's just me and my inexperience and time spent with IE but it sucks!
>
> It comes installed on the computer, so I figured I'd play with it and have
> some sort of backup browser.
>
> Whew! There ain't nothin' easy. When I connect to a site and then connect
> to another, it didn't automatically display a new tab (like FF). I had to
> manually -- as far as I could tell -- click the tab thingie on the address
> bar or else it would just replace the current site in the same tab.
Try reading the Help file. Middle-click a link (or CTRL-click) and it
will open in a new tab.
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A penny saved is ridiculous.
Jim S
> Jim S wrote on [Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:47:30 GMT]:
>>
>> Hi Lee
>> Of course I see your point and for we who understand this, there is no
>> problem.
>> However if my Auntie Maisie wants a browser (for Auntie Maisie substitute
>> the technically challenged office temp or my mate Ernie), the idea of
>> add-ons would be the equivalent of re-wiring a house.
>
> Out of the box, Firefox has everything they need.
>
> It's not like the slow responsefulness and completely useless and
> misleading error messages display by IE are helping the cluless.
You haven't tried IE7 either then.
Jim S
>> You haven't tried IE7 either then.
>
>
> It's slow and has misleading error messages.
What error messages?
Never had one. What can you be doing wrong?
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I cannot
> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
> which gives the option.
boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The
navigation bar is horrible. Yeah, so.
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> Jim S wrote:
>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I
>> cannot
>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
>> which gives the option.
>
> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The navigation bar is
> horrible. Yeah, so.
>
Well, I use IE7 for testing and don't find it horrible. The toolbars
/are/ customizable. There's even a built-in selection to make it look
like IE6. I just people would RTFM before going off on negative rants.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
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>
> "IE cannot display the web page"
>
> Most likely causes:
> * You are not connected to the internet
> * The website is encountering problems
> * The URL may be wrong
>
> Yeah, not misleading at all, because we know that you not being online
> is exactly the same as a 500 error on a website.
I don't see anything in that error message about a 500 error. But, if
none of those choices were the correct answer, what was?
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Leonidas Jones
Then again, is Aunt Maisie going to use most or any of the included
features of IE?
I got my mother in law on to SeaMonkey. She has it with no extensions,
its easy for her to use, and she understands it. I thin k the
simplicity is a decided advantage. Programs that are too powerful for
the user are not great either.
You should see her trying to use Word! I suggested that Wordpad would
do everything she needed (basically just typing letters) and be far less
confusing, but I didn't get anywhere with that one.
Lee
Jim S
> Jim S wrote:
>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I cannot
>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
>> which gives the option.
>
> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The
> navigation bar is horrible. Yeah, so.
I'm old and grumpy ... so?
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Jim S
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Jim S wrote:
>>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I
>>> cannot
>>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
>>> which gives the option.
>> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The navigation bar is
>> horrible. Yeah, so.
>>
>
> Well, I use IE7 for testing and don't find it horrible. The toolbars
> /are/ customizable. There's even a built-in selection to make it look
> like IE6. I just people would RTFM before going off on negative rants.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
>
thats right, just like one can make winxp look and feel like
win98. I've done it.
Jim S
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Jim S wrote:
>>>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I
>>>> cannot
>>>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a skin
>>>> which gives the option.
>>> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The navigation bar is
>>> horrible. Yeah, so.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I use IE7 for testing and don't find it horrible. The toolbars
>> /are/ customizable. There's even a built-in selection to make it look
>> like IE6. I just people would RTFM before going off on negative rants.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
>>
>
> thats right, just like one can make winxp look and feel like
> win98. I've done it.
Buttons man, buttons.
I want me buttons back!
I want it to look like IE6 and behave like IE7!
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
either follow what Ed posted, or go and complain in a MS
community
[http://www.microsoft.com/communities/default.mspx], and not
in a Mozilla one.
Jim S
Point taken :o?
However it started off ....... aw forget it
Nobody
Thank you!
I try to help a bunch of "Aunt Maisies" who look blankly at me when
trying to assist them.
They cannot comprehend the add-ons.
Now if only we could convince the browser developers...
Ed Mullen
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Jim S wrote:
>>>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I
>>>> cannot
>>>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have a
>>>> skin
>>>> which gives the option.
>>> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The navigation bar
>>> is horrible. Yeah, so.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I use IE7 for testing and don't find it horrible. The toolbars
>> /are/ customizable. There's even a built-in selection to make it look
>> like IE6. I just people would RTFM before going off on negative rants.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
>>
>
> thats right, just like one can make winxp look and feel like win98.
> I've done it.
>
Uh, yeah. I did it about three years ago. Whatever. I'm must glad you
migrated from that archaic OS to something that usually works. As
opposed to W98 which, despite the years I spent learning and tweaking
it, never was reliable. Thank God that thing finally died.
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in order to hear yourself and read the answers we're giving you. PLEASE!
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Leonidas Jones
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>>> Jim S wrote:
>>>>> I just cannot get used to the way the navigation bar is laid out. I
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> see why it was necessary to change from the way it was, or to have
>>>>> a skin
>>>>> which gives the option.
>>>> boy, it sure doesn't take much to get you upset. The navigation bar
>>>> is horrible. Yeah, so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I use IE7 for testing and don't find it horrible. The toolbars
>>> /are/ customizable. There's even a built-in selection to make it look
>>> like IE6. I just people would RTFM before going off on negative rants.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ie7_toolbar.mspx
>>>
>>
>> thats right, just like one can make winxp look and feel like win98.
>> I've done it.
>>
>
> Uh, yeah. I did it about three years ago. Whatever. I'm must glad you
> migrated from that archaic OS to something that usually works. As
> opposed to W98 which, despite the years I spent learning and tweaking
> it, never was reliable. Thank God that thing finally died.
>
Well, comatose, but not dead, there are still quite a few users out there.
heck, almost everyday I ger support questions from users of Mac OS9.
Toaday I got one from a user of OS8! There may not be a lot of them,
but those old machines are still out there.
Then again, OS9 has Win98 beat just about every way you can think of.
Lee
Ed Mullen
Which is interesting. From the standpoint of: How long should anyone
support an obsolete product? Altruistically? Forever. Realistically?
When it's done, it's done.
Listen. I get it. I spent untold hours on Win 98, tweaking it, making
it work, fixing it's quirks, etc. And I let WXP get to SP2 before I
dove in. But, once I dove in, it was nearly Nirvana compared with the
past. But, some people can't let go, can't relinquish all those
hours/days/weeks etc. that they spent "tweaking" it to make it "work."
Me? At some point I just bite the bullet and change.
No need to argue it. If someone wants to get stuck in the past? I'm
not going to try to argue them out of it.
But, I am not going to be remain cemented in the past because of them.
W98 was antiquated many years ago. As for the Mac OS's? Nary a clue and
don't want to know.
As to Vista? Maybe a year from now. Maybe two. XP is working so well
and Vista has so much cost and so little benefit that I just can't see
any reason (yet) to move. Too many down-sides now too, in terms of
drivers, syst4em cost etc.
I looked at the total cost of my moving to Vista. A couple of thousand
dollars. And many of the programs I use and depend on won't work.
Peripherals? Hah. Good luck. No, I'll wait a year or two or three.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
to me win98 was a great program. In the 8 years I had it, I
had tweaked it in such a way, that I rarely had a bsod. The
only time I had a problem was with SeaMonkey. I had 4
different crashes, and I couldn't view some sites.
When I was given a new computer, with winxp, I made it look
like win98. So far, I've never had a bsod and SM hasn't
crashed in the one month that I've used it. Plus, those
sites I couldn't view, I can now.
Leonidas Jones
You kind of argue my point.
You find that XP suits your needs, so you don't want to "upgrade" to
Vista. Yet, eventually, there will be no choice, XP will drop from
support, much like 98, or OS9.
Mac OS 9 was light, stable, and fast. For someone with an older, but
still functional machine, its a great OS. My job seems to be getting the
internet working for them, and I've been pretty successful.
I wish Apple had released it to open source, but its probably too late
for that. It would be fantastic for rejuvenating older machines.
Then again, my mother in law, who is pretty much Aunt Maisie. She is on
WIn 98. It does everything she needs, and a switcvh in OS right now
would probably be too much for her to handle. She's got SeaMonkey
working, gets and writes email, does some light internet searches, all
of which work for her. She's 80, but in really good health. I tend to
think she will need a new machine, but, then, maybe not.
Lee
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> As to Vista? Maybe a year from now. Maybe two. XP is working so well
> and Vista has so much cost and so little benefit that I just can't see
> any reason (yet) to move. Too many down-sides now too, in terms of
> drivers, syst4em cost etc.
>
> I looked at the total cost of my moving to Vista. A couple of thousand
> dollars. And many of the programs I use and depend on won't work.
> Peripherals? Hah. Good luck. No, I'll wait a year or two or three.
Geee, that sound familiar. Aren't those the words everyone
was saying about xp when it came out? I guess when window 7
comes out in a couple of years, we'll all be using vista,
and saying vista sucks.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> was saying about xp when it came out? I guess when window 7
> comes out in a couple of years, we'll all be using vista,
> and saying vista sucks.
correction: that should say: "we'll all be using vista and
saying windows 7 sucks!"
Nobody
Great program? Thort it was an Op Sys.
Ed Mullen
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program, but it is, surely, a program.
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Ed Mullen
Which all speaks volumes to the issue of technology vs. usability. Aunt
Maisie can't spell "operating system" much less ... well, anything more.
Yes, agreed, leave her alone.
The rest of us who actually poking under the hood can deal with being on
the bleeding edge. Me? I spend enough time as it is maintaining a LAN
with 12 devices on it, including 4 computers and a wife who is pretty
like Aunt Maisie except for age. Still, her priorities are not
computer-centric. To her it's just a pair of scissors, a tool that
let's her do something she wants to do. If the toaster or scissors don'
work? It's no big deal to tell her: "Oh, honey, let's just buy a new
one." With a computer, well, I have to say to her: "Well, buying a new
one won't solve the "problems" you're having. And a new one will cost
$1,500. And you still won't know how to solve your problems. But, if
you'll spend xxx hours with me I can show you all the ..."
and the answer is: "I ain't goin' there!!!"
and, I guess, my final response is: "Well, ok, Aunt Maisie. Call me
when it doesn't work at all and I'll try to fix it. In the meantime,
just shut up about life not being fair, technology being inherently
useless, yadda yadda."
Hey, if you both won't become an expert and you also won't even listen?
Sorry, you're on your own.
so, I told her (without saying it) that her denial is the issue, not the
machine nor its software. Just call me if you ever want to actually
understand what's going on and be able to handle routine errors without
calling me.
Until then, it ain't a freaking toaster, ok? It's a freaking computer!
It's complex, it is man-made, it will ALWAYS be imperfect.
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