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VALKYRIE-EXCHANGE.COM

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Jul 12, 2001, 3:28:46 PM7/12/01
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Hi folks,

We've got pictures of the Robotech (Legioss) Alpha Fighter, Veritech Action
Figure, and a glimspe of the Masterpiece Collection Veritechs by Toynami.
Just follow the link below:

http://www.valkyrie-exchange.com/toynami.html

Enjoy....

Regards,
Kevin Lam


Comic-Kaze

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:06:49 PM7/12/01
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OMG!!! After the news that HG was being tight-lipped in Kevin's interview to
preserve the surprise of the Robotech toys...I didn't expect to see pics so
quickly.

-Jeremy

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VALKYRIE-EXCHANGE.COM

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Jul 12, 2001, 6:43:36 PM7/12/01
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We were just as surprised to see the pictures and posted them as quickly as
we could....Some of us operate at "Internet speed"...Can't say much about
HG...

-Kevin


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Keith

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Jul 12, 2001, 6:59:12 PM7/12/01
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As expected, they look like modified Takatoku's. The intakes look strangely
flat (this is guaging by the picture of the one inside the book, the larger
VF-1S doesn't look to be transformable at all), the slits above that are far
too long, the cockpit & nosecone just look strange, the lower legs appear to
have no roundness to them.

Having seen the Yamato's, and seen these, the beauty marks definately go to the
Yamato's. Even the blister pack Valkyries have better proportions than these.

~Keith
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David H.

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:18:06 AM7/13/01
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>The intakes look strangely
>flat

> the slits above that are far


>too long, the cockpit & nosecone just look strange,

Wow---exact same things I was thinking. Especially the intakes---it's as if
they took putty and filled in the whole area and painted them light grey. And
the slits are twice as long as the should be--makes the whole chest plate too
big, IMO. As for the nose cone----well, it hangs down all the way to the
bottom of the knees, 'nuff said. If you've got that issue of Toyfare, the ad
they placed actually shows better details. It appears they tried REALLY hard
to copy the Takatoku---flaws and all. The leg attachment bars are EXACTLY the
same shape (even the angled/rounded front end of the bar--scary---there's no
drawings anywhere to base that shape on, only the 1/55---but I'm not surprised
they just took someone else's design, rather than thinking up something new) ,
the head hangs just as low in fighter mode, the gun has the same cheap clip to
attach to the arm, and the gun would attach to the belly so low, you'd need
huge landing gear to keep it from scraping the ground.

David H.
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Keith

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:34:50 AM7/13/01
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>Wow---exact same things I was thinking. Especially the intakes---it's as if
>they took putty and filled in the whole area and painted them light grey.
>And
>the slits are twice as long as the should be--makes the whole chest plate too
>big, IMO. As for the nose cone----well, it hangs down all the way to the
>bottom of the knees, 'nuff said.

The length of the nosecone isn't even the worst thing about it. It literally
has no definition. It's just a straight cylinder, cockpit & all. No buldges
anywhere, damned strange.

>If you've got that issue of Toyfare, the ad
>they placed actually shows better details. It appears they tried REALLY hard
>to copy the Takatoku---flaws and all. The leg attachment bars are EXACTLY
>the
>same shape (even the angled/rounded front end of the bar--scary---there's no
>drawings anywhere to base that shape on, only the 1/55---but I'm not
>surprised
>they just took someone else's design, rather than thinking up something new)
>,
>the head hangs just as low in fighter mode, the gun has the same cheap clip
>to
>attach to the arm, and the gun would attach to the belly so low, you'd need
>huge landing gear to keep it from scraping the ground.
>
>David H.
>(please remove "nospam" to reply via e-mail)

I'm not gonna lie, I hoped Toyami wouldn't be able to top the Yamato's, but I
didn't expect them to exactly match my low expectations of them. The Takatoku
molds must be rolling in their proverbial graves.

Comic-Kaze

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:55:55 AM7/13/01
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Actually, it looks more like an HCM with Takatoku proportions + CHUNKS OF
UGLY FAT. Perhaps it is Chunky Misa's personal Valk... Errr I guess we'd
have to say Veritech in this instance wouldn't we? LOL

Honestly look how freaking big that nose appears to be. It is dreadfully
wrong.
-Jeremy

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Keith

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Jul 13, 2001, 2:05:38 AM7/13/01
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>Actually, it looks more like an HCM with Takatoku proportions + CHUNKS OF
>UGLY FAT. Perhaps it is Chunky Misa's personal Valk... Errr I guess we'd
>have to say Veritech in this instance wouldn't we? LOL
>
>Honestly look how freaking big that nose appears to be. It is dreadfully
>wrong.
>-Jeremy

No worries. Due to extremely bad reaction to the picture, Toyami is now
claiming it to only be a mock up, and are rushing to copy the Takatoku's
exactly in time for the San Diego Comic Con....

Legioss

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Jul 13, 2001, 3:28:32 AM7/13/01
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>
> No worries. Due to extremely bad reaction to the picture, Toyami is now
> claiming it to only be a mock up, and are rushing to copy the Takatoku's
> exactly in time for the San Diego Comic Con....

Can't admit when you're wrong? That's a CG picture of what the poseable
Macross figure may look like. It is not the Masterpeice Valkyrie.


Bman

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Jul 13, 2001, 6:33:36 AM7/13/01
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Whatever the hell it is, it's butt ass ugly. I am with keith, in that I was
hoping that they would not be able to out do Yamato. But it doesn't look
like I will have to worry much. It's really too bad that every thing HG
touches seems to turn to shit.


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O.D.

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Jul 13, 2001, 10:09:54 AM7/13/01
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Chunky Misa wouldn't ride in that.

However that Drag-Queen Yaoi Chunky Minmay would... =P

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Yoshi

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Jul 13, 2001, 1:28:40 PM7/13/01
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>Whatever the hell it is, it's butt ass ugly. I am with keith, in that I was
>hoping that they would not be able to out do Yamato. But it doesn't look
>like I will have to worry much. It's really too bad that every thing HG
>touches seems to turn to shit.
>

I agree with you.
At last, the Macross *cough**cough* Toynami action-figures are really nice,
,though they're total rip-off of the Wonder Festival Valkyries.
Am I the only one to think Toynami can't create something of their own ?
I mean, the only new original stuff they created themselves are these Alphas
SDs.
All the Macross stuff by Toynami looks like refined/modified jap stuff, or at
least, it's so much "inspired" that it looks like rip-off.

I mean, the RT keyholders/SD figures were obviously based on the Banpresto
ones.
The SD Morphers are refined Tatkatoku Paro Paro (or whathever you call it).
And now, the action figures looks like Wonder Festival Valkyries carbon copies.
Not to mention the Masterpiece, which is the bastard child of a Takatoku and an
HCM.
And I kinda liked the denying of RT.com, "It's not the actual toy", in big red
letters :p

IMHO, the true RT curse is that HG and their affiliates are not able to create
something on their own, just rip-off and hack Macross stuff.


---
Yoshi

David H.

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Jul 13, 2001, 3:10:36 PM7/13/01
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Yes, it's CG, but it's CG based on the actual toy---the ad has a CAD blueprint,
which shows the hinges, bars, sliders, and all that. They wouldn't make such a
detailed CAD drawing for merely an ad. The CG in the ad, the CAD in the ad
(wow, Suessian) and the CG in the article are all the same design. I'd be
incredibly surprised if that CG wasn't intended to be a near-final design.
Also, I was looking at the ad some more and found more details:

The leg bars aren't 100% Taka---but they're close. The upper and lower
surfaces have been thinned a bit---the round screw attachment area now protudes
past the flat upper and lower surfaces of the bar.

Hey---they even copied how the chest plate doesn't sit flush with the cockpit
in fighter mode---it's raised up a bit, just like a Taka.

I'm seriously wondering if they know what a VF-1 actually looks like, or if
they just assumed the Taka was utter perfection---without checking any line
drawings or such. 3rd possibility----they are intentionally copying the Taka
so as to sell it to collectors (this is my best guess, BTW).

Comic-Kaze

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Jul 14, 2001, 12:54:15 AM7/14/01
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Cheapest scenario...they picked up a Jetfire on Ebay and copied it.
For those of you who don't know what David H. is talking about, in the
Toyfare issue, there is full page ad for Robotech toys from Toynami that is
sort of blue and the background is the wireframe of a Valk model complete
with hinges. So we know that it isn't a model for artistic purposes but
perhaps the actual design of the toy. The Taka isn't utter perfection. It's
just the best we got right now @ the moment of ANY variable item. Toys and
models included. Have you ever seen a variable Macross VF model kit? I
haven't...The closest are the kits that can be built into three models but
don't completely transform.
To see my takas (personal plug):
www.geocities.com/spareflair/Valk.html

-Jeremy

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David H.

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Jul 14, 2001, 1:30:59 AM7/14/01
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Feh, the newest pics of the Yamato valks up at the MW forums ARE utter
perfection. ::drool:: ::wipes it off, drools at VF-1A Max again::

Godmars

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Jul 14, 2001, 10:12:44 AM7/14/01
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In article <20010714013059...@ng-cu1.aol.com>, ncc42768
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I hardly call a toy that you have to detatch the legs to transform it
"utter perfection".

--
God

Deszaras

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Jul 14, 2001, 2:11:24 PM7/14/01
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Godmars <ple...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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I gotta partially agree with Cat here. Everyone seems to be quite forgiving
of Yamato especially considering all their quality control problems. Seems
that alot of folks are just judging the toy by the logo thats on the box.
I'll admit that the Toynami preview pics look like they left out alot to be
desired. However to judge a toy by its first solicitation pic is just plain
stupid(anyone who collects DC Direct figures knows what I mean).


O.D.

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Jul 14, 2001, 4:12:01 PM7/14/01
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DC Direct?

Do you have Spider Jerusalem???


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Godmars

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Jul 14, 2001, 4:21:55 PM7/14/01
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In article <gX%37.5157$gj1.4...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
desz...@worldnet.att.net says...
Oh, and did I forget to mention the ugly nose cone on the aircraft? What
is that, a rubber tip at the end?? Does it NEED to be a seperate piece??

It looks cheesy, and I bet its construction is cheesy. Face the facts,
the original Valkyrie builds from the 80's were as good as it was going
to get (and they were pretty damned sweet).

--
God

David H.

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Jul 14, 2001, 6:26:31 PM7/14/01
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>> I hardly call a toy that you have to detatch the legs to transform it
>> "utter perfection".

Just because the legs detach, doesn't mean it doesn't transform just as well as
any other toy. Couple of hundred Gobots, Transformers, Sentai, Godaiken, etc
have removable parts----what's wrong with having Valks do it? If it gives a
more accurate shape, I'm all for it. I swear, only Macross fans (excluding me)
complain about removable parts. Every single transforming toy line ever has
many robots which transform with removing parts, or change shape ONLY by
removing and re-attaching parts.

As for quality---well, the Yamato VF-1's currently appear to be about the
highest-quality toy I've ever seen. Clear landing/navigation lights, awesomely
detailed landing gear, sequenced landing gear and landing gear bay doors,
unobtrusive missile mounts, etc.

Godmars

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Jul 14, 2001, 6:57:36 PM7/14/01
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In article <20010714182631...@ng-cs1.aol.com>, ncc42768
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That nose piece has got to be the cheesiest thing I have seen this side
of Starscream.

--
God

Comic-Kaze

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Jul 15, 2001, 2:33:10 AM7/15/01
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> That nose piece has got to be the cheesiest thing I have seen this side
> of Starscream.
>
> --
> God

I tell you it looks a helluva lot better than the Takatoku noses. Although I
do admit that it is bent a little oddly. It is the best I've seen in a toy
interpretation to date.

Hey...what's wrong with Starscream's nose? It looked fine to me. He's an
F-15 and he's got a head inside it for Godmar's sake.
-Jeremy


Godmars

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Jul 15, 2001, 2:31:58 AM7/15/01
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In article <GOa47.5893$W6.31...@news2.rdc1.ab.home.com>, comic-
ka...@home.com says...

> > That nose piece has got to be the cheesiest thing I have seen this side
> > of Starscream.
> >
> > --
> > God
>
> I tell you it looks a helluva lot better than the Takatoku noses.

How so? I don't think it looks anywhere near as good, or as accurate.

> Although I
> do admit that it is bent a little oddly. It is the best I've seen in a toy
> interpretation to date.
>
> Hey...what's wrong with Starscream's nose? It looked fine to me. He's an
> F-15 and he's got a head inside it for Godmar's sake.

It was made out of rubber, and never looked right.

> -Jeremy
>
>
>

--
God

David H.

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Jul 15, 2001, 3:15:45 AM7/15/01
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>
>Hey...what's wrong with Starscream's nose?

I'm wondering that too. Only thing I can think of is that the original Takara
generic F-15 toys had plastic, more accurate noses (as well as wing root
LEX's), whereas the US-bound official Transformers™ had shortened, blunted,
rubber-tipped nose cones.

SS455

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Jul 18, 2001, 9:27:42 PM7/18/01
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>Oh, and did I forget to mention the ugly nose cone on the aircraft? What
>is that, a rubber tip at the end?? Does it NEED to be a seperate piece??


The fuselage screws are inside the front of the nose(that end piece then fits
inside). By doing it from the front, they elimated any screw hole bosses from
the side of the fuselage.

I put a profile picture of the Yamato next to a profile drawing of the VF-1,
and the nosecones/fuselage are almost identical. I'll ask if I can post it.

S


SS455

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Jul 19, 2001, 10:56:48 PM7/19/01
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>I put a profile picture of the Yamato next to a profile drawing of the VF-1,
>and the nosecones/fuselage are almost identical. I'll ask if I can post it.


Here is tha pic I was referring to.

http://www.macrossworld2.com/macross/temp/profile.jpg

S

Keith

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Jul 20, 2001, 2:11:17 AM7/20/01
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>Here is tha pic I was referring to.
>
>http://www.macrossworld2.com/macross/temp/profile.jpg
>
>S

Bah..damned tease. On the bright side, at least Yamato can make a freakin'
Valkyrie look like a valkyrie. Here's me giving a nut if the legs are
removable, more power too them for exactness.

Fokker

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Jul 20, 2001, 6:13:50 PM7/20/01
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I agree. Who the fuck cares whether or not the legs are removable? The best
Macross models I've ever had (that actually transformed) were the Bandai
1/72 scales, that also required not only removing the legs, but changing the
nose fuselage as well. I personally would take those models and the new
Yamato VF-1 figure over the bulky, out-of-proportion Takatokus anyday...

--Fokker

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