Where there ever HUMANs in the Pride lands?
Jicin
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I was just wondering. Zazu said to Simba "Then you can chase those =
slobbering mangy stupid poacher from ......". Poacher means someone who =
illigal hunts right? Now i think poaching would be considered a human =
first, then _maby_ a predator that is poacing.
But since we know now that Hyenas usually kill their own prey, and lions =
will steal it if they can (The nature movies we see are mostly hyenas =
trying to take their prey BACK) Now we might have taken the wrong =
conclusing at first, giving the hyena the bad name, but surely the lion =
will know how it is really. So Zazu wouldn't have had a good reason to =
call them poachers in the first place. Unless maby, they have had =
encounters with REAL poachers.
TLK 3: Poachers in the Pride Lands ;)=20
Thoughts any?
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I was just wondering. Zazu said to =
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poaching would be considered a human first, then _maby_ a predator that =
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poacing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>But since we know now that Hyenas =
usually kill=20
their own prey, and lions will steal it if they can (The nature movies =
we see=20
are mostly hyenas trying to take their prey BACK) Now we might have =
taken the=20
wrong conclusing at first, giving the hyena the bad name, but surely the =
lion=20
will know how it is really. So Zazu wouldn't have had a good reason to =
call them=20
poachers in the first place. Unless maby, they have had encounters with =
REAL=20
poachers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>TLK 3: Poachers in the Pride Lands ;) </FONT></DIV>
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Mux C.
>trying to take their prey BACK)
Really?... I always thought it was vice-versa, the lions hunted, and the
hyenas stole... That's what Discovery Channel always says. Well, I'm
dyslexic, so don't trust me. Hmm... ::Ka-think, ka-think::
Max "Mux" C./Savarihm the Leopard
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I was just wondering. Zazu said to Simba "Then you can chase those =
slobbering mangy stupid poacher from ......". Poacher means someone who =
illigal hunts right? Now i think poaching would be considered a human =
first, then _maby_ a predator that is poacing.
But since we know now that Hyenas usually kill their own prey, and =
lions will steal it if they can (The nature movies we see are mostly =
hyenas trying to take their prey BACK) Now we might have taken the wrong =
conclusing at first, giving the hyena the bad name, but surely the lion =
will know how it is really. So Zazu wouldn't have had a good reason to =
call them poachers in the first place. Unless maby, they have had =
encounters with REAL poachers.
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TLK 3: Poachers in the Pride Lands ;)=20
=20
Thoughts any?
It's possible, but as it stands, the TLK world is 'devoid' of human =
intervention by canon. The game really goes back and forth when it comes =
to poaching ;) A single lion or lioness making a kill may have to give =
up the meal due to a pack of hyenas just like a pack of hyenas may avoid =
an AML at all costs. Of course, an angry lioness or pride will have size =
advantage and probably not hesitate to take advantage of that.
As for humans, it's been assumed that the TLK characters have no =
knowledge of them. Whether you are insinuating that humans are the =
original poachers or just asking if they were ever there, the story is =
probably to be told 'in translation'. Their understanding of poaching =
relates to their own lives.
-Simba W.=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I was just wondering. Zazu said to =
Simba "Then=20
you can chase those slobbering mangy stupid poacher from ......". =
Poacher=20
means someone who illigal hunts right? Now i think poaching would be=20
considered a human first, then _maby_ a predator that is =
poacing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>But since we know now that Hyenas =
usually kill=20
their own prey, and lions will steal it if they can (The nature movies =
we see=20
are mostly hyenas trying to take their prey BACK) Now we might have =
taken the=20
wrong conclusing at first, giving the hyena the bad name, but surely =
the lion=20
will know how it is really. So Zazu wouldn't have had a good reason to =
call=20
them poachers in the first place. Unless maby, they have had =
encounters with=20
REAL poachers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>TLK 3: Poachers in the Pride Lands ;) =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thoughts any?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>It's possible, but as it stands, the TLK world is =
'devoid'=20
of human intervention by canon. The game really goes back and forth =
when it=20
comes to poaching ;) A single lion or lioness making a kill may have =
to give=20
up the meal due to a pack of hyenas just like a pack of hyenas may =
avoid an=20
AML at all costs. Of course, an angry lioness or pride will have size=20
advantage and probably not hesitate to take advantage of =
that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As for humans, it's been assumed that the TLK =
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have no knowledge of them. Whether you are insinuating that humans are =
the=20
original poachers or just asking if they were ever there, the story is =
probably to be told 'in translation'. Their understanding of poaching =
relates=20
to their own lives.</FONT></DIV>
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Pixi...@aol.com
As if 'poachers' makes any more sense. . .
Hm. . . I really don't think anything besides a human can be a poacher. .
. what -other- species do you know of kills for money?
Who knows. . .
I still think he says pooches. <g>
~ Squeak! ~
Laura McDaniel
> . . . I always thought he said pooches!
And I always thought it was "vultures" which makes sense to me...
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sara wellington
No, I think Zazu did say poachers, but I know he was talking about the
hyenas. Hmmm.. but as far as I know none of the LK characters know anything
about humans, they probabaly live in a part of Africa that no human has ever
been..I never thought of it before I'm not sure!
~Ocey
David Cleary
It's possible that "poachers" is meant in the general sense of "hunting
illegally." In other words, the lions consider it illegal for the hyenas
to be hunting in the Pride Lands.
Dave
Saint, FCOS
Clare
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From: Jicin <ji...@lionking.org>
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: Where there ever HUMANs in the Pride lands?
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> I was just wondering. Zazu said to Simba "Then you can chase those
> slobbering mangy stupid poacher from ......". Poacher means someone who
> illigal hunts right? Now i think poaching would be considered a human
first,
> then _maby_ a predator that is poacing.
In the human world, yes. IMHO it would be different in the TLK universe,
because (assuming there never have been humans there) their definition of
'poacher' is someone as Dave said who hunts illegally, as Dave said. Now,
the hyenas are trespassers in the Pride Lands, right? Presumably they would
sneak in to steal a meal, so 'poacher' seems as appropriate a word as any.
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> But since we know now that Hyenas usually kill their own prey, and lions
will
> steal it if they can (The nature movies we see are mostly hyenas trying to
take
> their prey BACK) Now we might have taken the wrong conclusing at first,
> giving the hyena the bad name, but surely the lion will know how it is
really.
Yeh... but hyenas are scavengers IRL. Sure, they kill as a pack if they can,
but often they'll gang up on a smaller pride of lionesses. This seems to be
the theory in TLK as well - Banzai is willing to 'pick off one of the little
sick' wildebeest, but they clearly scavenge too. "It's the lionesses' job to
do the hunting..."
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> So Zazu wouldn't have had a good reason to call them poachers in the first
> place. Unless maby, they have had encounters with REAL poachers.
It's quite possible they did. Even so, would they have called themselves
poachers? Even spoken at all? Surely speaking in the presence of animals
would have disturbed them and made them run off?
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Just my 2p. ;)
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