I'm an arrogant Jerk!
Dreyffy11
arrogant Jerk!
I'd like to apologize to everyone I offended with my Impressions of Impressions
post. It was ill advised (probably because I'm advising myself) I realize
everyone put a great deal of effort into their Impressions out of the goodness
of their hearts and a love for the show. It was out of my love for the show
that I wrote my Impressions of Impressions thread. I was tryng to defend the
quality of the shows not criticize anyone personally, but thanks to my
tremendous writing ability,I managed to achieve the latter while miserably
failing at the former. My apologies to everyone who wrote Immpressions last
week.
Many of you suggested since i was more than willing to open my big mouth(sort
of speak.) I should give Impressons a shot. I'd be available any night the
person in charge would like if they liked.
Jason
TKHKCRONIN
<< I'd like to take this opportunity to offer a mild criticism of myself. I'm
an
arrogant Jerk! >>
The AOL...always, the AOL...
<< Many of you suggested since i was more than willing to open my big
mouth(sort
of speak.) I should give Impressons a shot. I'd be available any night the
person in charge would like if they liked. >>
Your best bet: go into hiding for a little while, then come back under another
screen name. Instead of "Jason," call yourself "Kenny."
I've been reading/ posting on various message boards and newsgroups for over 11
years now. Before I dared post anything to AFL, I was in "read only" mode for
about six months.
This is the big leagues: it's the smartest, most eloquent, well-read group
you'll find on the Interweb...
tread carefully...
Tom
Pat Fleet
>> I'd like to take this opportunity to offer a mild criticism of myself. I'm
>> an arrogant Jerk!
Then Tom jumped all over him:
> Your best bet: go into hiding for a little while, then come back under another
> screen name. Instead of "Jason," call yourself "Kenny."
Just ignore Tom. It took a lot of guts to apologize, sweetie. I think
you're sincere. Uncle Cyber will find a spot for you to give Impressions a
try.
We'll read. We'll laugh. We'll bicker. We'll punctuate.
It's an afl fam-i-lee!
Ken McMonigal
>
>
>
> Your best bet: go into hiding for a little while, then come back under another
> screen name. Instead of "Jason," call yourself "Kenny."
>
Hey, wait a minute ...
> Interweb...
I wonder if that will catch on. :)
ddr
>This is the big leagues: it's the smartest, most eloquent, well-read group
>you'll find on the Interweb...
...or at least it THINKS it is.
>tread carefully...
Indisputable.
I admire your willingness to apologize instead of retaliating. I look
forward to your night of Impressions.
Bill Lehecka was right.
diane
Brad Hill
news:3bef5366...@news.earthlink.net...
> On 12 Nov 2001 03:41:20 GMT, tkhkc...@aol.com (TKHKCRONIN) wrote:
>
> >This is the big leagues: it's the smartest, most eloquent, well-read
group
> >you'll find on the Interweb...
>
> ...or at least it THINKS it is.
Dr. Jack, you shouldn't settle for second-best. Please. Don't let us hold
you back.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
Brad Hill
apologize I belched, then stubbed my toe. Of course, it was Karen whose
feelings were hurt, so it didn't matter much. Still, it's a skill I'd like
to get better at.
Looking forward to hearing more of your slant on the show.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
"Dreyffy11" <drey...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011111220309...@mb-ck.aol.com...
Pat Fleet
Could you work on your timeliness, too, Brad? Two years is just too damn
long to wait for a decent apology. ;)
Well, *I've* certainly been chatty tonight...
G'nite everybody! <wave>
TKHKCRONIN
<< Just ignore Tom. >>
Oh, fine. Join my wife, my kids, everyone I work with, and "just ignore Tom."
<< It took a lot of guts to apologize, sweetie. I think
you're sincere. >>
Pat, you softie.
Tom
TKHKCRONIN
<< > Interweb...
I wonder if that will catch on. :) >>
I heard Dave say it once, maybe in a TTL, can't remember for sure...
Tom
KLynch4296
<< I'd like to take this opportunity to offer a mild criticism of myself. I'm
an
arrogant Jerk!>>
Yes! You are! ;) Let me slap you with a wet noodle! Please!
<<I'd like to apologize to everyone I offended with my Impressions of
Impressions
post.>>
And afterwards, I think you should speak with your clergyman.
<<It was ill advised (probably because I'm advising myself) I realize
everyone put a great deal of effort into their Impressions out of the goodness
of their hearts and a love for the show.>>
For *me*, mostly, it was an insatiable desire for attention. I long for the
comfort only the spotlight can provide.
<<It was out of my love for the show
that I wrote my Impressions of Impressions thread.>>
And here I thought you were doing it to annoy me. I'll be damned!
<<I was tryng to defend the
quality of the shows ... >>
I don't know why you feel you need to "defend the quality of the shows" ... I
think most of us feel the quality is quite high right now. If our "Impressions"
led you to believe we don't feel that way, I think maybe you just
misinterpreted our little nitpicking about little things. Overall I *do* think
that Dave himself (especially) is really "in the zone" as they say ... and not
just since 9/11.
<<not criticize anyone personally, but thanks to my
tremendous writing ability,I managed to achieve the latter while miserably
failing at the former. My apologies to everyone who wrote Immpressions last
week.>>
Apology excepted. You apologize much better than Brad. And you seem sincere
... unlike Brad.
<<Many of you suggested since i was more than willing to open my big mouth(sort
of speak.) I should give Impressons a shot. I'd be available any night the
person in charge would like if they liked. >>
I encourage you to write an Impressions column. I implore you to write an
Impressions column. I *demand* that you write an Impressions column!
Sorry I flew off the handle but you really pissed me off ... did you notice?
Karen
KLynch4296
<< Bill Lehecka was right. >>
Bill Lehecka was right about what?
Karen
Bill Lehecka
news:20011112104433...@mb-md.aol.com...
> jackofdays (ddr) wrote:
> << Bill Lehecka was right. >>
>
> Bill Lehecka was right about what?
Yeah, when have I been right about ANYTHING????
Bill, from outside of Chicago, where they love polish sausage!
KLynch4296
<< Apology excepted. >>
ACCEPTED ... ACCEPTED ... APOLOGY ACCEPTED.
Damnit.
Finchhen
>
>I'd like to take this opportunity to offer a mild criticism of myself. I'm an
>arrogant Jerk!
>
It's ok, at least you had the guts to apologize. I look forward to your
version of Mock Impressions tonight.
Dave Sikula
>
> And here I thought you were doing it to annoy me.
Nope. That's my job.
--Dave Sikula
Helen Read
>
> I look forward to your version of Mock Impressions tonight.
I prefer the Regular Impressions. I thought Mock Impressions were
Brad's "in the style of" thingies. Either that, or they are
Impressions made with Ritz Crackers in place of apples.
--
HPR
Submit your Pie Guesses:
http://homepages.together.net/~hpr/pies/
jch...@pacific.net.sg
>
> This is the big leagues: it's the smartest, most eloquent, well-read group
> you'll find on the Interweb...
Not to mention, of course, rudest...
I beg of you, just listen to yourselves, and see if you don't resemble
a bunch of intolerant mullahs. You know, the very same folks who won't
let up on their animosity until Americans go on their knees and
confess to being arrogant jerks?
It's all very well to have an Inner Sanctum or whatever, but do you
have to hijack this newsgroup and alienate everyone else--including
casual viewers--who comes in here just to read and share opinions/news
of Dave? IMO, such nastiness tends to have an associative effect and
can only serve to strengthen the impression of Letterman as an
untowardly harsh, cranky smartass. It's bound to repel at least some
folks, and that is surely doing Dave a disservice. 'Cos isn't
nurturing Dave's fan base what this NG is about? Otherwise, wouldn't
this place be called alt.inner-sanctum.letterman or somesuch?
All this is said with the love, of course, as well as the appreciation
that you're one funny guy, Tom Cronin. Sorry about the wife and kids
ignoring you :)
SiennaEcho
hijack this newsgroup and alienate everyone else --including casual viewers--
who comes in here just to read and share opinions/news of Dave?<
gosh, you said that well (although someone's bound to argue the apposite
"viewers" ought to be "viewer" because "everyone else" is singular, as
illustrated by the use of the 3rd person singular present tense "comes" ...
oops... looks like I just did the Mock Grammar, there, for that someone) ....
this is the point I was trying to express, but got slammed because I "picked
this time to come out of lurkdom" (when I've posted a few times previously),
the issue's been brought up before (predating my time lurking here, though) and
I didn't have the presence of mind to pre-submit a resume to Those That Are In
Charge so got a "who are you?"
the gates are barred here, apparently, until the Inner Sanctum Board vets your
application to post, does the spellcheck on you and you're issued your card to
cut the amateur posters...
it's a shame, actually because the air in here is a bit stuffy and clubby and
could use some airing...
TKHKCRONIN
<< gosh, you said that well (although someone's bound to argue the apposite
"viewers" ought to be "viewer" because "everyone else" is singular, as
illustrated by the use of the 3rd person singular present tense "comes" ...
oops... looks like I just did the Mock Grammar, there, for that someone) ....
>>
Opposite; argue the opposite.
<< this is the point I was trying to express, but got slammed because I "picked
this time to come out of lurkdom" (when I've posted a few times previously),
the issue's been brought up before (predating my time lurking here, though) and
I didn't have the presence of mind to pre-submit a resume to Those That Are In
Charge so got a "who are you?" >>
Come out of lurkdom and critique The Late Show, you'll start a lively,
interesting discussion. Come out of lurkdom and critique the newsgroup, be
prepared to go on the defensive.
<< it's a shame, actually because the air in here is a bit stuffy and clubby
and could use some airing... >>
Great! You can start by maybe fluffing the pillows and vacuuming... then change
the filter on the furnace... why don't you do something about those pet stains,
while you're at it...
Tom
Alan Page
>... why don't you do something about those pet stains,
>while you're at it...
Those aren't pet stains.
--
Alan
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Donz5
>the gates are barred here, apparently, until the Inner Sanctum Board vets your
>application to post, does the spellcheck on you and you're issued your card to
>cut the amateur posters...
OK -- who let this post through? I want a name, people. Meet me in my office at
1 PM or heads will roll.
Marilyn
> TKHKCRONIN wrote...
> >... why don't you do something about those pet stains,
> >while you're at it...
> Those aren't pet stains.
and SiennaEcho wrote:
>the gates are barred here, apparently, until the Inner Sanctum <clip>
Uhhh, and that ain't no sanctum.
Brad Hill
news:f1fdb2c9.01111...@posting.google.com...
> tkhkc...@aol.com (TKHKCRONIN) wrote in message
news:<20011111224120...@mb-bg.aol.com>...
> >
> > This is the big leagues: it's the smartest, most eloquent, well-read
group
> > you'll find on the Interweb...
>
> Not to mention, of course, rudest...
It occurs to me that Dave built his early late-night persona on being the
rudest TV entertainer. Many of us think the modern Dave isn't rude enough.
So there's a certain long-term, internal consistency to rudeness as a social
value in Dave's fan group.
> do you
> have to hijack this newsgroup and alienate everyone else--including
> casual viewers--who comes in here just to read and share opinions/news
> of Dave?
A certain confusion seems to surround some popular message boards--namely,
that they are entertainment products, created with the intent to please
customers. People who come here just to read either like what they see or
they don't. The regular contributors don't have any responsibility (or
desire, in many cases) to provide a certain quality of content. Furthermore,
the warm-and-fuzzy experience is not really characteristic of Usenet in
general, and you certainly can't expect it in a Letterman group.
People who come to talk either find a home here or don't, depending on the
personality mix. Again, it just is what it is. Anybody in need of survival
lessons from a master should talk with Alan Page. Folks who wish to create
an online community with a different tone have many easy, free options at
their disposal, and this board can be used to promote alternate discussion
spaces. I don't say this to be off-putting, but simply to remind that the
Internet is a huge, open environment, and any individual can take the
initiative to create a desirable space.
> IMO, such nastiness tends to have an associative effect and
> can only serve to strengthen the impression of Letterman as an
> untowardly harsh, cranky smartass.
Dave *is* a harsh, cranky smartass. Some of us here love him best when he's
most like that, undermining the vapid, fawning hosting style that's
traditional in the talk-show business. Also, many of us here have been
through years of anguish over the ratings inequity, and we're over it. Maybe
we're over it. Anyway, we don't care what non-fans think of Dave. I suppose
that is alienating, as you say, but it's the way I like it, speaking just
for myself. The fire burns bright in here. Casual fans can get burned
stumbling into it. For me, and I suppose for other vigorous contributors,
this place is a refuge from the politeness I muster offline on the subject
of Dave, Leno, and talk shows generally.
> It's bound to repel at least some
> folks, and that is surely doing Dave a disservice. 'Cos isn't
> nurturing Dave's fan base what this NG is about?
That's an interesting question, but again, I think it betrays a
misunderstanding of the group. (IMO.) Despite the ubiquity of FAQs, which
serve as mission statements, unmoderated newsgroups are really about
providing space, nothing more. Usenet is a radically unregulated, free-form
portion of the Internet. Evaluating a group as not nurturing enough, or not
expressing some other quality imposed from the outside, contradicts the
essential impartiality of the Usenet space. This newsgroup isn't "about"
anything except Dave.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
Alan Page
>Anybody in need of survival
>lessons from a master should talk with Alan Page.
"Survivor: alt.fan.letterman"
Jim Garrett
> OK -- who let this post through? I want a name, people. Meet me in my office at
> 1 PM or heads will roll.
What? I suppose you think you are in the Inner Sanctum now?
Jim
Donz5
Well, Sanctus very much. And you Agnus Dei.
Old, old, old, but never out of date.
SiennaEcho
>
nope... I skipped a whole almost-syllable there and meant APPOSITIVE
it's easy to jump on what you think is a typo... it's the big leagues to
determine context as well, big guy...
kat...@earthlink.net
> What? I suppose you think you are in the Inner Sanctum now?
slmh
Kathie
Finchhen
>Finchhen wrote:
>
>>
>> I look forward to your version of Mock Impressions tonight.
>
>I prefer the Regular Impressions. I thought Mock Impressions were
>Brad's "in the style of" thingies. Either that, or they are
>Impressions made with Ritz Crackers in place of apples.
>
You're right; maybe we should just call it Guest Impressions instead. (I'm sure
some have already called it that)
Traci
Oh, for chrissakes, get the fuck over it. Brad has offered up a lovely
reply in another message in this thread. I, however, don't feel like
being so lovely.
This place IS harsh. We like it that way. We're sarcastic, testy, cranky,
opinionated, moody, pissy, smart and talkative. We have created a
discussion group here where we take no prisoners. I am just as likely to
be slammed as anyone else in here. If I got my feelings hurt easily, I
would have been curled up on the floor in the fetal position a long time
ago.
As far as new blood, we do welcome it, but you better be able to handle
the fire when it comes your way. I don't have to be polite here if I
don't want to and I like it that way. You're right in a way that there is
a rite of passage to participate here. Good. Keeps out the riff raff.
Want us to be warm and fuzzy? Fuck that, it ain't gonna happen. Move on
if it doesn't suit your fancy.
Many new folks have some into this group and survived quite well. Foxy,
Finch, Chad, Alan, Sharon just to name a few. There are niches to be
found, just don't expect us to point them out.
Traci
--
Come to the Hoosierland!
Hoosierland Salutes David Letterman
http://www.cowgirls-dave.com
"I've been liquored up for like 17 years. My judgment ain't what it used
to be."
KLynch4296
<< There are niches to be
found, just don't expect us to point them out. >>
I don't mean to be silly when you're in the middle of a wonderful rant ... one
with which I heartily agree ... but I swear when I first read this sentence, I
thought it said: "There are nine inches to be found, just don't expect us to
point them out."
Shows you where my mind is.
Karen ... "now, please continue" :)
Brad Hill
news:MPG.165b60ab6...@news.supernews.com...
> Many new folks have some into this group and survived quite well. Foxy,
> Finch, Chad, Alan, Sharon just to name a few.
Don't forget Karen Lynch. She offers many interesting insights (the "nine
inches" thing is a good example) and I think that eventually she'll be a
valuable AFL'er.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
KLynch4296
<< "Traci" <webmi...@cowgirls-dave.com> wrote ...
> Many new folks have some into this group and survived quite well. Foxy,
> Finch, Chad, Alan, Sharon just to name a few.
Don't forget Karen Lynch. She offers many interesting insights (the "nine
inches" thing is a good example) and I think that eventually she'll be a
valuable AFL'er. >>
I was just trying to bring a little levity into the conversation. Excuse me
for living. I should learn to censor myself ... and not just post when
something pops into my head. For instance, right now I'm thinking that Brad
Hill is an arrogant bastard who has made it his life's work to make me feel
small and insignificant in order to cause me severe embarrassment in this
newsgroup. But that would be a waste of usenet space. From now on I'll just
keep those thoughts to myself ... or perhaps I'll jot them down in my "Brad
Log."
Karen
Marilyn
Marilyn
KLynch4296 wrote:
> Traci wrote:
> << There are niches to be found, just don't expect us to point them out.
>>
> I don't mean to be silly when you're in the middle of a wonderful rant ...
one
> with which I heartily agree ... but I swear when I first read this
sentence, I
> thought it said: "There are nine inches to be found, just don't expect us
to
> point them out."
Finders keepers.
Brad Hill
Geez, you are untowardly harsh and cranky. Was your application to the Inner
Sanctum declined? I was just trying to be nice. How's a person supposed to
fit in here? Come to think of it, Dave's a bastard, too. I'm not going to
watch the show *or* write to you anymore.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
SiennaEcho
>the fire when it comes your way.
doesn't look like some of those posting the Impressions can handle it... the
original poster offered some criticism to which the Impressionist vitriolically
whined about for paragraphs.... thus starting all of this...
from an objective standpoint, some of you are listing adjectives about your
beloved newsgroup that is belied by your posts to the group...
Donz5
>from an objective standpoint, some of you are listing adjectives about your
>beloved newsgroup that is belied by your posts to the group...
There are no "objective standpoints" here, yours included.
SiennaEcho
>
>
correct that to "unbrainwashed standpoint" then?
Traci
> Traci wrote:
> << There are niches to be
> found, just don't expect us to point them out. >>
>
> I don't mean to be silly when you're in the middle of a wonderful rant ... one
> with which I heartily agree ... but I swear when I first read this sentence, I
> thought it said: "There are nine inches to be found, just don't expect us to
> point them out."
If we have to point out the nine inches, I'm revoking tiaras.
> Shows you where my mind is.
In the gutter where it belongs.
> Karen ... "now, please continue" :)
Sure just waiting for another warm and fuzzy moment.
KLynch4296
>>As far as new blood, we do welcome it, but you better be able to handle
>>the fire when it comes your way.
>
>doesn't look like some of those posting the Impressions can handle it... the
>original poster offered some criticism to which the Impressionist
>vitriolically
>whined about for paragraphs.... thus starting all of this...
The "original poster," Dreyffy (Jason), seems to have gotten over it very
nicely, thank you. Perhaps *you* should do the same. And he wasn't just
criticizing *me* ... he was being critical of everyone who posted Impressions
last week. I was speaking not just for myself but for others who contributed
columns. Perhaps I should have offered a more ladylike (i.e., adult) response
like Pat Fleet did ... but my emotions got the best of me. They often do. If
you've read this newsgroup for awhile, you would know that.
Those were my honest feelings at the time I wrote them ... and I'd probably
express the same sentiment again under similar circumstances. Dreyffy has
apologized. *I* have apologized. We're moving on. You seem to be the only one
still dwelling on it. Do you have any thoughts about Dave and the show or do
you plan to continue offering your clueless, whiny opinions about individual
AFL'ers? Why don't you just filter out the posters who disgust you (including
yours truly) ... it might save you a lot of heartache. But if you filter out
all the folks who get over-excited and passionate and are a little *too* honest
in here, you might be left with a very boring newsgroup. It sure wouldn't be
*my* kind of newsgroup. But, hey, it's your choice.
>from an objective standpoint, some of you are listing adjectives about your
>beloved newsgroup that is belied by your posts to the group...
Then why are you spending so much time here? There is apparently *something*
drawing you to us ... what the hell is it? It can't be our personalities.
Karen
Donz5
>>There are no "objective standpoints" here, yours included.
>
>
>correct that to "unbrainwashed standpoint" then?
I'd go with "presumptuous whining."
ddr
<webmi...@cowgirls-dave.com> wrote:
>This place IS harsh. We like it that way. We're sarcastic, testy, cranky,
>opinionated, moody, pissy, smart and talkative. We have created a
>discussion group here where we take no prisoners.
This is bullshit. There are about seven or so people here who fit this
description. The rest of the people have entirely different tacks and
personalities.
Don't speak for me. You do not represent my views in this group. And
like it or not, I am a member.
If you were being accurate, you'd just list the people who behave like
this instead of trying to rationalize it by saying everyone does it.
diane <-- will never be a member of the "inner sanctum," thank god,
but loves Dave anyway.
Brad Hill
news:3bf1c061...@news.earthlink.net...
> Traci wrote:
>
> >This place IS harsh. We like it that way. We're sarcastic, testy, cranky,
> >opinionated, moody, pissy, smart and talkative. We have created a
> >discussion group here where we take no prisoners.
> This is bullshit. There are about seven or so people here who fit this
> description.
Traci wasn't saying that everyone matches all these descriptors, or any one
of them. She was describing a general emotional tone and ascribing it to the
group that "jchuabh" and "SiennaEcho" complained about.
I don't know why you're distancing yourself from Traci's description. It
seems apt. You were driven out of here once before for your unseemly
behavior, and since returning with a different screen name you've posted
rampantly about baseball and current events (talkative), and once accused
somebody of a poor upbringing because he disagreed with your political views
(testy, cranky, opinionated, moody, pissy). You're smart, too. I admit you
haven't shown much sarcasm--perhaps you lack the imagination for it. But
generally, Traci's description applies to you as easily as to me or anybody
here.
> Don't speak for me. You do not represent my views in this group. And
> like it or not, I am a member.
Newsgroups don't have memberships. You have drifted in and out of here, as
is your prerogative. You've run into trouble in the past for a type of "take
no prisoners" behavior that you disavow.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
Dave Sikula
>"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:3bf1c061...@news.earthlink.net...
>
>> Traci wrote:
>>
>> >This place IS harsh. We like it that way. We're sarcastic, testy, cranky,
>> >opinionated, moody, pissy, smart and talkative. We have created a
>> >discussion group here where we take no prisoners.
>
>> This is bullshit. There are about seven or so people here who fit this
>> description.
>
>Traci wasn't saying that everyone matches all these descriptors, or any one
>of them. She was describing a general emotional tone and ascribing it to the
>group that "jchuabh" and "SiennaEcho" complained about.
I dunno. Seems to fit me to a "T."
--Dave Sikula
Nek58
backwards looking for a rock.............fire away!
>From: Traci
>
>This place IS harsh. We like it that way. We're sarcastic, testy, cranky,
>opinionated, moody, pissy, smart and talkative. We have created a
>discussion group here where we take no prisoners. I am just as likely to
>be slammed as anyone else in here. If I got my feelings hurt easily, I
>would have been curled up on the floor in the fetal position a long time
>ago.
>
>As far as new blood, we do welcome it, but you better be able to handle
>the fire when it comes your way. I don't have to be polite here if I
>don't want to and I like it that way. You're right in a way that there is
>a rite of passage to participate here. Good. Keeps out the riff raff.
>
ddr
wrote:
>You've run into trouble in the past for a type of "take
>no prisoners" behavior that you disavow.
We like ourselves, don't we, Brad?
I have news for you. You're not nearly as smart and nowhere near as
incisive as you think you are.
diane <-- never ever leaving this group
Alan Page
"Traci" wrote...
> If I got my feelings hurt easily, I
> would have been curled up on the floor in the fetal position a long time
> ago.
I find the corner of a dark room a much safer place to curl up in the fetal
position.
--
Alan (No feelings to get hurt.)
Tony Dickson
"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote
> We like ourselves, don't we, Brad?
Who is this really, Dana Carvey? Jeez.
Alan Page
"Brad Hill" wrote...
> Newsgroups don't have memberships.
Whoa Nellie!
Why have I been sending the "Membership Dues" to Donz?
--
Alan (Requesting a refund.)
Alan Page
"Marilyn" wrote...
> Uhhh, and that ain't no sanctum.
SLDSH.
--
Alan
Donz5
>"Brad Hill" wrote...
>> Newsgroups don't have memberships.
> Whoa Nellie!
> Why have I been sending the "Membership Dues" to Donz?
Damn; I was hoping no one would figure this out.
SiennaEcho
>drawing you to us ... what the hell is it? It can't be our personalities.
there are people who attempt to post their thoughts on Dave and tend to get
beaten into the ground by a select few of you -- I got sick of watching it and
decided to speak up.... so, maybe *you* should put the filter on?
Donz5
But all you've offered in here are your personal judgments on other posters and
not a damn thing on Dave.
Go on, give it a shot. Don't be shy.
Greg Anderson
> We're sarcastic, testy, cranky, opinionated, moody, pissy,
> smart and talkative.
Then on *Tuesday*...
God help me, I never get tired of that joke.
> If I got my feelings hurt easily, I would have been curled up
> on the floor in the fetal position a long time ago.
Admit it, Traci, underneath that leather and latex exterior, you're a dainty
flower.
> As far as new blood, we do welcome it, but you better be able
> to handle the fire when it comes your way. I don't have to be
> polite here if I don't want to and I like it that way. You're right
> in a way that there is a rite of passage to participate here.
> Good. Keeps out the riff raff.
I have always had the sense that you were the inspiration for the "dry wad
of fucking cotton" Vagina Monologue, and I think this little rant proves it.
> Want us to be warm and fuzzy? Fuck that, it ain't gonna happen.
> Move on if it doesn't suit your fancy.
What if it *does* suit my fancy? Can I have yer phone number?
Greg
Greg Anderson
> I have news for you [Brad]. You're not nearly as smart and
> nowhere near as incisive as you think you are.
Yeah, but he makes up for it by being much more handsome in person than
you'd ever expect from his dust jacket photograph.
Greg
jch...@pacific.net.sg
> rudest TV entertainer. Many of us think the modern Dave isn't rude enough.
> So there's a certain long-term, internal consistency to rudeness as a social
> value in Dave's fan group.
Which, if you think about it, should excuse the behavior of CBS pages,
should it not? But no, every now and then you bitch about and parse
their overbearing conduct as a put-off for some live audience members.
Why not pause here and ponder if your attitude to some comers here
isn't similarly driving off posters and lurkers, possibly in droves?
Clearly, you don't care if you do. And that's an indifference I
suspect the CBS pages share with you. IMO, the biggest loser in both
cases is Dave.
> A certain confusion seems to surround some popular message boards--namely,
> that they are entertainment products, created with the intent to please
> customers.
I can't be the only one here who wishes this board would be an
inclusive forum for Letterman fans of any stripe, rather than an
exclusive club devoted to log-rolling sessions, inside jokes,
elementary-school grammar lessons and a whole bunch of other stuff
that I have to pay good money to scroll past so I can get to news and
views about Dave. You know, Letterman-related info and opinions that I
don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect in alt.fan.letterman.
People who come here just to read either like what they see or
> they don't.
A newsgroup is what its participants make of it. It evolves, gets
better or worse, grows or dies off. For various reasons (e.g.,
dropouts) it needs newcomers all the time. I'm not suggesting that the
red carpet should be rolled out for them. On the other hand, one would
have to be really appreciative of abrasive behavior, thick-skinned or
game for some roughhousing to stick around in this group. That's too
exclusive a set of membership criteria, IMO.
The regular contributors don't have any responsibility (or
> desire, in many cases) to provide a certain quality of content. Furthermore,
> the warm-and-fuzzy experience is not really characteristic of Usenet in
> general, and you certainly can't expect it in a Letterman group.
Look, all I'm asking for is a little consideration for folks who won't
put up with a lot of the vitriol and withering scorn that too
frequently get rained on newbies and non-regulars here. I, for one,
would like to hear from these people as well.
Some 4 million households tune into the LS every weeknight; yet, week
after week, we see only messages from the same--what?--50 posters
here. It strikes me that this would be an even more exciting place if
the activity here could more closely reflect the diversity of Dave's
audience. You don't have a *responsibility* to bring that about, but
it'd be really nice if you could refrain from discouraging it. By a
similar token, I don't feel personally responsible for the LS's
ratings, but that doesn't stop me from putting in a good word for Dave
every chance I get.
> People who come to talk either find a home here or don't, depending on the
> personality mix. Again, it just is what it is. Anybody in need of survival
> lessons from a master should talk with Alan Page.
Exactly my point. Why should you impose such draconian standards on
what is supposed to be a fun activity that is usually engaged in at
the end of a long workday? Why expect that people should be willing to
be roasted and ragged or to pay any other kind of dues to participate
in this group? We don't all have Alan Page's leisure on our
hands...should be we discriminated against or barred as a consequence?
Folks who wish to create
> an online community with a different tone have many easy, free options at
> their disposal, and this board can be used to promote alternate discussion
> spaces. I don't say this to be off-putting, but simply to remind that the
> Internet is a huge, open environment, and any individual can take the
> initiative to create a desirable space.
I'm so *not* interested in what Usenet is about. I repeat, I just want
to hear from as wide a cross-section of his fan base as possible.
Surely that's not that quaint a notion, is it?
>
> Dave *is* a harsh, cranky smartass. Some of us here love him best when he's
> most like that, undermining the vapid, fawning hosting style that's
> traditional in the talk-show business.
Now who's the confused one? Let's not pretend that we haven't noticed
the un-LN Dave behavior with Hillary and the insincere praises he
spouts to acts like Britney Spears. But that's not even relevant here.
Many of us love to see Dave's whiplash of a tongue at work (anyone's
honeymoon?), but let's not kid ourselves, few of us would enjoy being
on the receiving end of that kind of demeanor, especially if it's
unaccompanied by wit.
Also, many of us here have been
> through years of anguish over the ratings inequity, and we're over it. Maybe
> we're over it. Anyway, we don't care what non-fans think of Dave.
Why would non-fans apart from trolls bother to come in here?
I suppose
> that is alienating, as you say, but it's the way I like it, speaking just
> for myself. The fire burns bright in here. Casual fans can get burned
> stumbling into it. For me, and I suppose for other vigorous contributors,
> this place is a refuge from the politeness I muster offline on the subject
> of Dave, Leno, and talk shows generally.
You know what, I'd feel that way too if I thought this NG was about
me...rather than about Dave and his fans in America and around the
world. You must know that Dave has his share of followers outside of
the US. For many of us, English is a foreign language. We certainly
don't need our trepidation at communicating in an alien tongue
compounded into terror by the morass of pitfalls here. So why are we
here? It all comes back to this: we love Dave. We would like to add
our voice to your appreciation of Dave...preferably without having to
go through hoops of fire.
> That's an interesting question, but again, I think it betrays a
> misunderstanding of the group. (IMO.)
I'm sorry you seem to think me such a simpleton that I'd fail to
understand a term as straightforward as alt.fan.letterman.
This newsgroup isn't "about"
> anything except Dave.
And his fans. For, what is Dave Letterman without his fans? These
folks don't deserve a lot of the meanness dished out here. Neither
does Dave.
Brad Hill
news:f1fdb2c9.01111...@posting.google.com...
> > It occurs to me that Dave built his early late-night persona on being
the
> > rudest TV entertainer. Many of us think the modern Dave isn't rude
enough.
> > So there's a certain long-term, internal consistency to rudeness as a
social
> > value in Dave's fan group.
>
> Which, if you think about it, should excuse the behavior of CBS pages,
> should it not? But no, every now and then you bitch about and parse
> their overbearing conduct as a put-off for some live audience members.
> Why not pause here and ponder if your attitude to some comers here
> isn't similarly driving off posters and lurkers, possibly in droves?
As I mentioned before, AFL is not an entertainment product. This really
seems to be a difficult point for you to understand. The Late Show pages
*do* represent an entertainment product. And it's not their individual
behaviors that are criticized so much as the entire audience management
philosophy of the show, which affects not only the experience at a taping,
but the broadcast product as well.
I don't know if AFL drives away posters. It's a fairly high-volume group.
Likewise, I don't know about lurkers, but I'm guessing AFL is a damn
entertaining read. I'm sure you've surfed around Usenet--you know what's out
there. You can't tell me this place isn't worth looking at every day.
> Clearly, you don't care if you do. And that's an indifference I
> suspect the CBS pages share with you. IMO, the biggest loser in both
> cases is Dave.
You seem to be saying that Dave is harmed by this newsgroup. That notion is
too absurd to discuss.
> I can't be the only one here who wishes this board would be an
> inclusive forum for Letterman fans of any stripe, rather than an
> exclusive club devoted to log-rolling sessions, inside jokes,
> elementary-school grammar lessons
I wish I knew what a log-rolling session is. As to inside jokes, they are
inevitable in any enduring community. Why are you dissing that part of AFL?
The inside jokes are not private, in most cases--they just require staying
with us long enough to begin understanding them. At that point, the group
jokes become one of the most delightful parts of AFL, in my opinion. Since
this group has been around for so long, the jokes are deliciously layered
and complex. If you're seriously complaining about the grammar notes, then
this dialogue isn't worthwhile.
> and a whole bunch of other stuff
> that I have to pay good money to scroll past so I can get to news and
> views about Dave.
I don't know whether you mean "time is money," or if your access is billed
on the clock, or if you are speaking metaphorically. At any rate, your gist
seems to be that AFL should be stripped of its personality, delivering only
news in the most efficient manner. Please. This is a community.
> You know, Letterman-related info and opinions that I
> don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect in alt.fan.letterman.
Are you really suggesting that AFL does not deliver "Letterman-related info
and opinions"? Ridiculous. You *do* get all that; you just don't like the
personality it's wrapped in.
> one would
> have to be really appreciative of abrasive behavior, thick-skinned or
> game for some roughhousing to stick around in this group.
I think that's a fair assessment. A thick skin, a taste for abrasiveness,
and an enjoyment of roughhousing are important characteristics of those who
seem to enjoy AFL the most. (And, incidentally, of those who make the best
Late Show guests.) And I hope you notice that we *do* get newcomers all the
time. Some stick, some don't. So what do we have here? A group with a robust
personality that some people like and some don't. Heinous, isn't it?
> That's too exclusive a set of membership criteria, IMO.
We don't have memberships. (Another difficult, oft-repeated point.) It is
true that some people (including me) exhibit a pattern of response that,
over time, establishes criteria for participation. And this is where we
really disagree. The upshot of your message seems to be that you'd prefer a
more restful, less intense environment here. "Be more casual," you seem to
be saying, "so that casual fans can break in more easily."
That won't happen, and I for one don't want it to. Look around you. Do you
think Donz is going to become casual? Is Traci going to be? These two, and
others, are the people producers turn to when they construct biographies of
Dave. The core group here is made up of accomplished, devoted, hard-working
students of Dave and his shows. It's not the emotional tone of AFL that
makes it what it is, it's the talent, dedication, consistent work, and high
quality of expression. Look at Marilyn's Impressions posted today. Look at
all the Impressions of the past two years, from the astounding work of Bill
Lehecka through the recent teamwork that keeps the tradition going. Look at
Cyber's pro-level comic talent that he deploys in the Mailbag, and James's
heroic hilarity during dark-week TTL marathons. Look at Helen Read's
fastidious documentation on her Web site and tremendous work galvanizing
donations when Dave was sick. Look at Renee providing unforgettable
real-world experiences bringing Dave's greatest moments into the lives of
her friends. Look at the intelligent passion brought to bear by all the
regulars who watch every night and care about the Late Show's every success
and stumble. Look at how delightfully the whole mix is peppered by
contributions from a large cast of literate, funny contributors.
Now go over to the Leno newsgroup. Is that what you'd like us to become?
Casual, insipid, mildly informative, untrafficked, nearly brain-dead?
If I were to boil down all the qualities that lead to AFL happiness to a
single "criterion" (as you like to regard it), it would be: Caring. This
supposed Inner Sanctum that we've heard so much about isn't a membership
club, as you are portraying it, it's just a group of people who *care* about
Dave, genuinely love him for the great humor he's put out, worry about him,
defend him, and criticize him fretfully when he doesn't seem to attain his
own heights. There is nothing exclusive about AFL, and each of its most
rabid participants was once a newbie. It's true that gaining traction here
is difficult for casual fans. I regard AFL's emotional tone as a standing,
open invitation to deepen one's appreciation of Dave, watch the show every
night (it's designed to reward frequent viewers), and bring a living legend,
a comic genius, more comprehensively into one's TV routine. AFL then becomes
a wonderful resource and bonding opportunity.
I know how self-congratulatory this sounds. But I've been managing and
participating in online communities since before the Web was a sparkle in
Tim's eye, and I know exactly how special this group is. The talent and
dedication here far outshine the squabbles, in my opinion.
> Look, all I'm asking for is a little consideration for folks who won't
> put up with a lot of the vitriol and withering scorn that too
> frequently get rained on newbies and non-regulars here. I, for one,
> would like to hear from these people as well.
Why not organize a different sort of group in alt.tv.talkshows.late? The
space exists. I'm not being dismissive, or trying to push you away. I'm
suggesting you take from AFL what it's good at delivering (intense,
non-casual opinion) and get a mellower atmosphere elsewhere.
> Some 4 million households tune into the LS every weeknight; yet, week
> after week, we see only messages from the same--what?--50 posters
> here.
There is no correlation between Nielsen ratings and newsgroup traffic. Leno
has more viewers and a trickling newsgroup. The truth is, AFL is an
unusually vibrant newsgroup among fan clubs devoted to a single entertainer.
Seems to me AFL is doing something right, not something wrong.
> Why should you impose such draconian standards on
> what is supposed to be a fun activity that is usually engaged in at
> the end of a long workday?
It's not "supposed" to be any one thing or another. This community has
evolved in a certain way, and is what it is.
> I just want
> to hear from as wide a cross-section of his fan base as possible.
> Surely that's not that quaint a notion, is it?
It might or might not be realistic. We already have a pretty wide spectrum
compared to other groups. I don't know what AFL's lurker ratio is, or to
what degree people really are intimidated by the group's intensity. But I do
think that intensity is a good thing. I don't mind hearing from people who
don't recognize Dave's stature, or who sometimes watch Leno, or some such
abomination, but they are certainly going to hear from me in return, and
from a lot of other people here.
> For many of us, English is a foreign language.
You write extraordinarily well.
> We certainly
> don't need our trepidation at communicating in an alien tongue
> compounded into terror by the morass of pitfalls here.
That's rather dramatic, don't you think? Terror? This is just a message
board. Turn off the damn computer if you get weepy.
Brad
www.bradhill.com
FOXYSCRIBE
I found this newsgroup as soon as we got our computer connected. It was like
discovering an "open 24 hours" four star restaurant that served endless free
delicious fatty food that made you lose 10 lbs. a week with no exercise.
Sometimes the service is slow and the waiters are cranky (I won't mention
anydavesikula names) . Sometimes the filet mignon is overcooked. But it's so
much fun to dine here.
I've found a group of people who are Dave lovers, just like me. My husband
tolerates my love of Dave, but doesn't understand it. When I tell him Dave
stories he listens politely and tries not to roll his eyes. But YOU GUYS love
Dave stories. I love your eclectic personalities - I embrace them! I didn't
wait to be invited, I just opened the door and sat down at a table because I
felt like I belonged here. Because of Dave. This newsgroup is a true blessing
to me, I mean it. The things that seem like inside jokes, etc. aren't meant
to make anyone feel excluded - heck - I don't get lots of stuff myself. We've
established a group relationship that I truly feel any person (with a sense of
humor) can easily be a part of - it just doesn't happen overnight. I have an
outlet for my adoration of Dave, and my family is grateful. I'm sure I've
misspelled words and made grammatical errors - HEY! Let me have it! Don't hold
back!! (SLDSH)
Dave Sikula
>Conflict.
>
>I found this newsgroup as soon as we got our computer connected. It
was like
>discovering an "open 24 hours" four star restaurant that served
endless free
>delicious fatty food that made you lose 10 lbs. a week with no
exercise.
>Sometimes the service is slow and the waiters are cranky (I won't
mention
>anydavesikula names).
I do and do and do for you kids, and this is the thanks I get.
I know I can (on occasion) be cranky, but it's my online nature. In
person, I'm meek, mild, charming to be around, and kind to cats.
If anyone's found me too irritable, I sincerely apologize.
But don't expect it to stop.
--Mr. Sunshine
Donz5
>you just don't like the
>personality it's wrapped in.
...the personality in which it's wrapped.
Never end a sentence with a preposition, unless you have to.
(yeah, I know -- don't even start...)
-g-
Donz5
>These two, and
>others, are the people producers turn to
To which they turn.
Have you learned nothing??!!
Donz5
>I know I can (on occasion) be cranky, but it's my online nature. In
>person, I'm meek, mild, charming to be around, and kind to cats.
And you do a wicked Billy Kyle impression.
Traci
I learned that I get top billing even if they spell my name incorrectly.
;p
Harwelljon
>>others, are the people producers turn to
>
>To which they turn.
>
>Have you learned nothing??!!
>
>
To whom producers turn...people are whos not whiches...unless we are talking
about Judge Judy, that self-righteous bitch.
JHarwell
Donz5
>I learned that I get top billing even if they spell my name incorrectly.
;p
But you got only one citation.
Donz5
Got it, Brad!?
Tony Dickson
heartbeat.
Tony Dickson
"Donz5" <do...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011114214707...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> "Brad Hill" br...@bradhill.com wrote:
>
> >you just don't like the
> >personality it's wrapped in.
>
> ...the personality in which it's wrapped.
>
> Never end a sentence with a preposition, unless you have to.
This is something up with which I shall not put.
Jmslsu01
I can't remember how I found this newsgroup-maybe from a link on a website. I
don't know. I do know that this is the longest time I've followed (and
participated in) a newsgroup. I had Prodigy (my goodness) when I was in high
school,and was an active participant in two online communities-the community
that evolved from the Valjean Read This! thread on the theater community and in
the Constant Reader community.
When I switched to AOL,I became involved in the alt.branagh-thmpsn newsgroup-a
highly active newsgroup for several years. This was under a different email,and
I can't for the life of me remember it. Then I became involved in the AFCOB
newsgroup for a short time,and then this newsgroup.
Why am I telling you this? Well,I think I've been around enough online
communities for enough time that I know a little about the nature of online
communities and such. The longer a community stays active and the longer it
retains regular posters,the more tightly-knit it becomes and the propensity for
inside comments,jokes,and a fierce sense of protection is created.
This is not unique to online communities,of course. If you examine a
long-standing book club,a Knights of Columbus group,a neighborhood dance class
for children,or a neighborhood watch group,you'll find the same thing. There
will be a definite aura to the group,certain expectations,and even unique
behavior.
All this is intimidating to newcomers,and it is not always intentional. I was a
little way about posting in the newsgroup,but I did so anyway. I didn't expect
a special invitation or welcome-that's not common to online communities. For
one thing,even in a long active community,there are many who wander in and out
the newsgroup,and there are some who post only on occasion. It's just too much
activity to greet each and every newcomer to the place. It's not feasible.
And it is natural for non-regulars to wonder about the inside behavior (and for
the record,I don't think many of the "inside behavior" is all that inside. If
someone asks about a certain line,then it will usually get answered,along with
some other remarks. The SLMH and the Karen/Kelly stuff,for instance.). And to
feel defensive and left out. No one wants to be on the outside looking in-it's
just something left from our childhood,I guess. But that's life,and it's going
to happen time and again.
And it is expected that you lurk for some time before you post in a newsgroup.
That's just a standby of the Internet. No one here made that up.
And then after you've read for a while,join in. Remember what I said about long
active newsgroups and their defensiveness? It's not a good idea for a
non-regular to criticize a frequent poster to the group. If a newbie were to
criticize The Big Show,then I think that's a different thing. And if you stick
around long enough,you'll realize that there are flare-ups from time to time
among the regulars and frequent posters to this newsgroup. I was in two,and I
was pretty early on in my postings here. But I survived.
If you feel you have something to contribute,then you should do so. I don't
know a lot about Dave or the show,I don't express myself as well as others do
in this newsgroup, I'm not a very frequent poster,and I've never been to a live
taping (I'm hoping that will change in the next few months,although it's
looking precarious),but I've never felt as if my presence was unwanted.
As has been stated in the past,I enjoy this group because I can talk about the
show and not feel weird about it. My roommate watches Dave on occasion,but
she's not a frequent watcher. My friends only watch when a certain celebrity is
on or if they're over at my apartment when Dave is on. So there's where I am. I
love my friends fiercely,but their lack of Dave appreciation leaves me in a
quandry. That's why I come here.
Jen
Traci
And it was above you.
Donz5
>Donz5 says...
>> Traci bragged:
>
>> >I learned that I get top billing even if they spell my name incorrectly.
>> ;p
>
>> But you got only one citation.
>
>And it was above you.
And misspelled. No one knew it was you. No one. Nada. Zip. Rita B.
And you didn't get paid.
Traci
> And misspelled. No one knew it was you. No one. Nada. Zip. Rita B.
Yes they did!!! I made sure of it. I also pointed out I got top billing.
> And you didn't get paid.
Did too!
Donz5
>Donz got all loopy on antacid and wrote....
>> And misspelled. No one knew it was you. No one. Nada. Zip. Rita B.
>Yes they did!!! I made sure of it. I also pointed out I got top billing.
>> And you didn't get paid.
>Did too!
I meant with U.S. currency, not antibiotics and cranberry juice.
Dave Sikula
>Traci webmi...@cowgirls-dave.com, still entertaining the fleet, babbled:
>>
>>> But you got only one citation.
>>
>
>>And it was above you.
>
>And misspelled. No one knew it was you. No one. Nada. Zip. Rita B.
>
>And you didn't get paid.
SLMH.
--Dave Sikula
Traci
> >> And you didn't get paid.
>
> >Did too!
>
> I meant with U.S. currency, not antibiotics and cranberry juice.
Oh, you're so funny database boy. It was a real check cut from a US bank.
Thbbbbbttt!
And I still got top billing. ;p
Traci
--
Come to the Hoosierland!
Hoosierland Salutes David Letterman
http://www.cowgirls-dave.com
"I've been liquored up for like 17 years. My judgment ain't what it used
to be."
Donz5
>Donz, reflecting the thread title wrote...
>> >> And you didn't get paid.
>
>> >Did too!
>
>> I meant with U.S. currency, not antibiotics and cranberry juice.
>Oh, you're so funny database boy. It was a real check cut from a US bank.
>Thbbbbbttt!
One of those giant deals at Rupert's?
>And I still got top billing. ;p
That's because it was alphabetical.
Traci
> >Oh, you're so funny database boy. It was a real check cut from a US bank.
> >Thbbbbbttt!
>
> One of those giant deals at Rupert's?
Well, it was presented to me by two gorgeous babes in sparkly dresses. I
don't remember much else.
> >And I still got top billing. ;p
>
> That's because it was alphabetical.
Alphabetical shmalfhabetical, I was still credited BEFORE you. And it's
on tape, never to be forgotten.
So there!
Donz5
cried out:
>Donz is trying to have the last word and said.......
>> >Oh, you're so funny database boy. It was a real check cut from a US bank.
>> >Thbbbbbttt!
>
>> One of those giant deals at Rupert's?
>Well, it was presented to me by two gorgeous babes in sparkly dresses. I
>don't remember much else.
Gee, there's a surprise.
>> >And I still got top billing. ;p
>
>> That's because it was alphabetical.
>Alphabetical shmalfhabetical, I was still credited BEFORE you. And it's
>on tape, never to be forgotten.
But still misspelled. My two (2) (dos) (deux) (duo) (due) (zwei) citations were
easier to see. AND they were spelled right.
Alan Page
<jch...@pacific.net.sg> wrote...
>
> Exactly my point. Why should you impose such draconian standards on
> what is supposed to be a fun activity that is usually engaged in at
> the end of a long workday?
We're supposed to do this *after* work?
> Why expect that people should be willing to
> be roasted and ragged or to pay any other kind of dues to participate
> in this group?
Donz said the dues were a part of the subscribtion. I pay him annually to
get the discounted rate.
> We don't all have Alan Page's leisure on our hands...
This ain't leisure time I'm doing this on.
--
Alan (Gotta stop traveling on my days off)
~WWWWW~
What a Wonderful Web We Weave
Alan Page
"Traci" wrote...
> I learned that I get top billing even if they spell my name incorrectly.
We all know it's actually *Tracie*.
--
Alan (Running and ducking and running and ducking...)
Traci
> >Well, it was presented to me by two gorgeous babes in sparkly dresses. I
> >don't remember much else.
>
> Gee, there's a surprise.
At least chicks in sparkly dresses come to MY house bearing gifts.
> >Alphabetical shmalfhabetical, I was still credited BEFORE you. And it's
> >on tape, never to be forgotten.
>
> But still misspelled. My two (2) (dos) (deux) (duo) (due) (zwei) citations were
> easier to see. AND they were spelled right.
>
I was still on top.
I'm ALWAYS on top.
Donz5
lesbian when she pleaded:
>> >Well, it was presented to me by two gorgeous babes in sparkly dresses. I
>> >don't remember much else.
>
>> Gee, there's a surprise.
>At least chicks in sparkly dresses come to MY house bearing gifts.
Chicks know that they don't need wear sparkly dresses when they come to my
house. They're gift enough, you greedy bitch.
>I was still on top.
>I'm ALWAYS on top.
Only because you're in cahoots with the local chiropracture.
Tony Dickson
> house. They're gift enough, you greedy bitch.
Ladies, if you don't have a sparkly dress, treat yourself to one. You'll
thank me later.
Traci
> >At least chicks in sparkly dresses come to MY house bearing gifts.
>
> Chicks know that they don't need wear sparkly dresses when they come to my
> house. They're gift enough, you greedy bitch.
Chicks don't even know where your place is, you Mac loving, little freak.
> >I'm ALWAYS on top.
>
> Only because you're in cahoots with the local chiropracture.
What the hell is a 'chiropracture'?
As far as my chiropractor is concerned, it is true he's helped get this
cowgirl back in the saddle.
Traci - yeeha!
MeanMary
: Ladies, if you don't have a sparkly dress, treat yourself to one.
I would look so silly in a sparkly dress. I think I should
get sparkly tank top & shorts, ala Richard Simmons.
MeanMary
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