foglamps
Austin Shackles
being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone, I
did this:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
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Ian Rawlings
> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone, I
> did this:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>
> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
According to the manual for one of my cars, in some territories (I
don't know which) the fog lamps are required to turn on when you press
the fog light button, but when you next turn off the car, when you
start it again, the fog lamps have to be off automatically and only
turn on when you press the button again so you can't turn them on and
accidentally leave them on for months.
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Nige
> On 2009-11-05, Austin Shackles
> <austinDITCHTHIS...@ddol-las.net> wrote:
>
>> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
>> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone,
>> I
>> did this:
>>
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>>
>> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
>
> According to the manual for one of my cars, in some territories (I
> don't know which) the fog lamps are required to turn on when you press
> the fog light button, but when you next turn off the car, when you
> start it again, the fog lamps have to be off automatically and only
> turn on when you press the button again so you can't turn them on and
> accidentally leave them on for months.
Cunts that leave them on need fucking slitting from front to back the
useless mongtards.
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SteveG
> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone, I
> did this:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>
> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
Austin,
Unless something has changed recently that I'm not aware of (and that is
clearly a possibility) I don't see any legal requirement to use fog
lights instead of dipped headlamps in poor visibility.
Section 25 of RVLR says:
QUOTE
> 25. Requirements about the use of headlamps and front fog lamps
>
> (1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road a vehicle which is fitted with obligatory dipped-beam headlamps unless
every such lamp is kept lit :-
>
> (a) during the hours of darkness, except on a road which is a restricted road for the purposes of section 81 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 by virtue of a system of street lighting when it is lit; and
>
> (b) in seriously reduced visibility.
>
ENDQUOTE
There are some exceptions to this in para 2, but they aren't generally
relevant. Sub-para (b) suggests that dipped beam is a requirement in
poor visibility except in the case where the front fog lights are within
400mm of the edges of the vehicle (the one exception in para 2 that
might be relevant to motor cars).
Whilst I applaud the sentiment of your petition and find the mis-use of
front (and rear) fog lamps to be a real nuisance I can't sign it as
currently worded.
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Bob Hobden
"Austin Shackles" wrote ...
>
> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone, I
> did this:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>
> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
From memory the Highway Code says you can only use foglights when visibility
is below 100 metres so it's already illegal to use them at other times.
Another case of a good law that is not enforced.
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John Williamson
> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on in
> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone, I
> did this:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>
> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
Sorry, Austin, but the use of them is already covered by rule 226 and
236 of the Highway Code, which quote sections 25 and 27 of the Statutory
Instrument I'm pointing to.
In particular the bit in rule 236 about not causing undue dazzle to
other road users and turning them off when visibility is more than 100
metres. At a push, this *could* just about be interpreted as using them
after dark, but it's too much faff for the police to enforce it,
apparently. I was involved in a heated discussion about this a while
back in one of the UK law groups.
So, it would seem the abuse is covered by the law already, but it's not
being enforced.
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DieSea
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You're not kidding
On the way home from Keighley this evening I had some boy racer sat on my tail
with foglamps on and didn't know where the dipswitch was
Flaming dipstick
DieSea
Bob Hobden
"DieSea" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Austin Shackles" wrote ...
>>>
>>> being hacked off with the number of clueless wankers with foglights on
>>> in
>>> the dark and rain, making extra glare which is no earthly use to anyone,
>>> I
>>> did this:
>>>
>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/foglamps/
>>>
>>> Won't do any good, of course. But feel free to sign it anyway.
>>
>> From memory the Highway Code says you can only use foglights when
>> visibility is below 100 metres so it's already illegal to use them at
>> other times.
>> Another case of a good law that is not enforced.
>>
>
>
> On the way home from Keighley this evening I had some boy racer sat on my
> tail with foglamps on and didn't know where the dipswitch was
>
> Flaming dipstick
>
"cool" (I asked one), I always flash my foglights now if I see them coming
towards me hoping that eventually they might understand the rest of us think
they're dickheads.
Is it me or is it the small Peugeots that have the brightest/biggest
foglamps?
CraigB
rules to be uniform across all states and territories.
We have just been notified lately here in Qld that it is illegal to have
fog lights on in clear weather....
but get this - it's only a $40 fine if you get caught - what a fucking joke!
I agree with Nige, the fuckers need disemboweling and their boy racer
cars burnt to the waterline!
-Craig b.
Austin Shackles
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> enlightened us thusly:
that's not what I'm after, though... I want legislation so they can only be
either-or with the dipped lights.
The law prescribes 2 and only 2 dipped lights, all other lights over 7W
should go out when the dipped beam is on. You can't have 4 dipped lights
(that work simlutaneously).
Further, foglamps and their function/aim are not tested in the MOT and I'm
after that as well.
Austin Shackles
thusly:
The exemption provides that you're not required to keep dipped lights
illuminated where a pair of fog lamps is illuminated instead, in reduced
visibility, so yes, you're right about that bit - it doesn;t actually
proscribe using both.
However, you're still only allowed 2 dipped beams on vehicles 1991 or later
(if I read it right) - you can have another pair, which dip the other way,
provided only 1 pair work at any time. It's one of those grey areas, I
guess, and as such the regulations could do with improvement.
It does look as though older vehicles can have more optional dipped beams. I
guess it would take more study to be sure what the law says, which is good
enough reason to specify it better.
Nige
It's a right fucking dumpp is Keighley, i worked there for six years.
Full of trampscum & cumsponges.
Oily
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It seems a bit pointless having the dipped headlamps on *with* foglamps as
the idea was to keep the light low and reduce reflected glare from the bad
fogs we used to have, having dipped headlamps on as well defeated the object
of this. They should be considered for MOT purposes as 'dipped beams', i.e.
cut off above horizontal and the order 'to be used only in conditions of fog
and falling snow' when mounted less 500mm from the road rigidly enforced.
Having said that, we don't get fog like we used to and I suppose some people
have to find another (albeit illegal) use for them. If they are treated as
auxiliary lighting (as in having a long range and extra power and without
diffused lenses) they should only come on when headlamp main beam is used
and go out when main beam is dipped, regardless of whether they are switched
separately or not, but I that that is the case anyway.
Oily
"CraigB" <cybe...@removethis.bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently here in Australia, they are attempting to align all road
> rules to be uniform across all states and territories.
> We have just been notified lately here in Qld that it is illegal to have
> fog lights on in clear weather....
And so it should, the only trouble is then defining what's actually clear!
Bob Hobden
"Oily" wrote
> It seems a bit pointless having the dipped headlamps on *with* foglamps as
> the idea was to keep the light low and reduce reflected glare from the bad
> fogs we used to have, having dipped headlamps on as well defeated the
> object
> of this. They should be considered for MOT purposes as 'dipped beams',
> i.e.
> cut off above horizontal and the order 'to be used only in conditions of
> fog
> and falling snow' when mounted less 500mm from the road rigidly enforced.
> Having said that, we don't get fog like we used to and I suppose some
> people
> have to find another (albeit illegal) use for them. If they are treated
> as
> auxiliary lighting (as in having a long range and extra power and without
> diffused lenses) they should only come on when headlamp main beam is used
> and go out when main beam is dipped, regardless of whether they are
> switched
> separately or not, but I that that is the case anyway.
>
they are annoying in clear visibility for those in front or coming the other
way. They don't cut off at the horizontal.
Dipped beam is not so good in fog as it directs/concentrates the beam which
then gets bounced back by the water droplets.
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Bob Hobden
Oily
"Bob Hobden" wrote..........
> >
> I thought that Foglight lenses worked by scattering the light which is why
> they are annoying in clear visibility for those in front or coming the
other
> way. They don't cut off at the horizontal.
Did you read the word "should"?
> Dipped beam is not so good in fog as it directs/concentrates the beam
which
> then gets bounced back by the water droplets.
As does the main beam etc..
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob Hobden
>
>
>
Bob Hobden
"Oily" wrote ...
> "Bob Hobden" wrote..........
>> >
>> I thought that Foglight lenses worked by scattering the light which is
>> why
>> they are annoying in clear visibility for those in front or coming the
> other
>> way. They don't cut off at the horizontal.
>
> Did you read the word "should"?
Yes but if they are made to cut off at the horizontal would it not make them
as useless as dipped beam in fog? Mind you things have moved on quickly with
reflector and lens design so perhaps they could do something now.
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Bob Hobden
Dougal
The original fog light design, which I see no reason to have changed,
had a very sharp horizontal cut off to reduce the amount of light
reflected back to the driver. The amount of light scattered vertically
upwards should be much less than a dipped beam. Correctly aligned, I
don't see how they are any different to (worse than) 'normal' headlights
from another driver's viewpoint. Perhaps it is not fog lights that are
being complained about.
The fog light problem about which many seem to get wound up is not
something that I've found an issue unlike badly set up head lights (or
more likely headlights pointing in the sky 'cos there's too much load in
the back). Is the fog light problem purely an urban issue?
This MOT thing that stops you having over-lowered headlights to leave
some leeway for overloading hasn't helped with the searchlight headlight
problem.
I used to use a pair of crossed fog lights (mounted fairly high) in
addition to normal headlights - brilliant for driving round country
lanes but probably not permitted any more (if it ever was!).
Oily
"Dougal" <Dou...@Hiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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It's probably due to the fact that they are mounted very low that results in
them being set higher, and also that they are not foglamps at all, just high
powered auxiliary driving lamps which should be extinguished on dip
according to the regulations and not a problem at all. With the fogs that
we used to get, the most important thing was to yellow them out (if they
weren't originally) to further reduce the glare as the fogs were really 'pea
soupers' and 'white' lights were no use at all, even dipped beam.
Muddymike
"Oily" <martin...@nospambtconnect.com> wrote in message
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With the fogs that
> we used to get, the most important thing was to yellow them out
> (if they
> weren't originally) to further reduce the glare as the fogs
> were really 'pea
> soupers' and 'white' lights were no use at all, even dipped
> beam.
I well remember fog so thick I needed my passenger to watch the
kerb/verge with the door window open calling "left a bit"- "right
a bit" to keep us on the road.
Its the rear fog lamp users that bug me the most. Following a car
with those on when its wet is a real strain. The biggest danger
is in the fact that the are so bright they mask the brake lights.
Mike
Jeff
"> With the fogs that
>> we used to get, the most important thing was to yellow them out (if they
>> weren't originally) to further reduce the glare as the fogs were really
>> 'pea
>> soupers' and 'white' lights were no use at all, even dipped beam.
>
> I well remember fog so thick I needed my passenger to watch the kerb/verge
> with the door window open calling "left a bit"- "right a bit" to keep us
> on the road.
>
I also well remember the time when everyone drove on sidelights in lit
areas, and you got flashed if you still had your headlights on!! Much better
in wet conditions.
Jeff
Oily
"Jeff" <je...@local.host> wrote in message news:hdbcsr$g8e$1...@aioe.org...
pedestrians etc. when opposing traffic does the same. Distant memories now
I'm afraid, I've even been stopped by police and told to use dipped
headlamps who weren't amused when I told them I was saving electric
therefore saving costs and global warming.
Bob Hobden
"Oily" wrote ...
> "Jeff" wrote ...
>>
>> "> With the fogs that
>> >> we used to get, the most important thing was to yellow them out (if
> they
>> >> weren't originally) to further reduce the glare as the fogs were
>> >> really
>> >> 'pea
>> >> soupers' and 'white' lights were no use at all, even dipped beam.
>> >
>> > I well remember fog so thick I needed my passenger to watch the
> kerb/verge
>> > with the door window open calling "left a bit"- "right a bit" to keep
>> > us
>> > on the road.
>> >
>>
>> I also well remember the time when everyone drove on sidelights in lit
>> areas, and you got flashed if you still had your headlights on!! Much
> better
>> in wet conditions.
>>
> pedestrians etc. when opposing traffic does the same. Distant memories
> now
> I'm afraid, I've even been stopped by police and told to use dipped
> headlamps who weren't amused when I told them I was saving electric
> therefore saving costs and global warming.
>
father after a discussion about lights he turned his onto sidelights only,
it was a bright moonlit night, and after a very short while when our eyes
became accustomed to the light you could see much better and further than
with the lights on. He drove on for miles like that.
Ok until someone comes the other way and destroys your night vision.
Trouble is there are a few more vehicles on the roads now!
Ian Rawlings
> I remember riding pillion down a country road in Sussex decades ago with my
> father after a discussion about lights he turned his onto sidelights only,
> it was a bright moonlit night, and after a very short while when our eyes
> became accustomed to the light you could see much better and further than
> with the lights on. He drove on for miles like that.
> Ok until someone comes the other way and destroys your night vision.
> Trouble is there are a few more vehicles on the roads now!
Many years ago my sister lived on an island with no police on it, and
one night she and her husband went for a ride on a trials bike with no
lights along the roads and could see well enough by moonlight. Sadly
they didn't see someone else doing exactly the same thing coming in
the other direction and they all ended up in hospital! They made a
full recovery but didn't do that again.
Lee_D
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Indeed, not had fog like that around here for some years.
If we had a hard winter these days with any real fog , snow or prolonged Ice
there would be carnage as the youth of today haven't experienced a good
winter.
That said there are some older muppets around too.
Lee
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Austin Shackles
<martin...@nospambtconnect.com> enlightened us thusly:
>It seems a bit pointless having the dipped headlamps on *with* foglamps as
>the idea was to keep the light low and reduce reflected glare from the bad
>fogs we used to have, having dipped headlamps on as well defeated the object
>of this.
exactly, but that doesn't stop the numpties and wankers from doing it.
Austin Shackles
<Dou...@Hiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>The original fog light design, which I see no reason to have changed,
>had a very sharp horizontal cut off to reduce the amount of light
>reflected back to the driver. The amount of light scattered vertically
>upwards should be much less than a dipped beam. Correctly aligned, I
>don't see how they are any different to (worse than) 'normal' headlights
>from another driver's viewpoint. Perhaps it is not fog lights that are
>being complained about.
Fog lights, as a rule make a wide, flat beam, aimed downwards. ON wet days,
when there's no fog, they make more dazzle from the road than ordinary
dipped beams, especially when they're on as well as the dipped beams.
Correctly aimed foglights don't contribute any more to vision when used with
dipped beams, other then to light up the bit immediately in front of the car
a bit more, which is pointless.
Austin Shackles
<Dou...@Hiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>The fog light problem about which many seem to get wound up is not
>something that I've found an issue unlike badly set up head lights (or
>more likely headlights pointing in the sky 'cos there's too much load in
>the back). Is the fog light problem purely an urban issue?
The fog light problem I find annoying is people using them as extra dipped
lights, usually I suspect in an attempt to look "cool", or because they're
variously stupid.
This makes extra glare and dazzle when they come against you at night.
Especially when the foglamps are badly aimed - dipped ligths should be
getting checked in the MOT, fog lamps don't.