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Mr.Nice.

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Mar 15, 2004, 4:00:50 AM3/15/04
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I've just bought a rather nice painting, around 3 feet by 2 feet, oil
on canvas.
Does anyone know if I can mount it in a normal picture frame ie
between glass and woor or must it be stretched and stapled to a frame?

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Jon

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"Mr.Nice." <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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Whilst we're so OT - Is there a quick way of cleaning an oil painting like
the one above?
Jon


this bit@bigpond.net.au Simon Mills

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Mar 15, 2004, 4:50:47 AM3/15/04
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"Mr.Nice." <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I've just bought a rather nice painting, around 3 feet by 2 feet, oil
> on canvas.
> Does anyone know if I can mount it in a normal picture frame ie
> between glass and woor or must it be stretched and stapled to a frame?
>
> --
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> ___________________________________________________________
> "To know the character of a man, give him anonymity" - Mr.Nice.
> www.mrnice.me.uk mrniceATmrnice.me.uk
> http://community.webshots.com/user/mrnice106
> 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D
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Would that be "blue oil" on canvas .(see previous thread.)

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David French

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Mar 15, 2004, 4:57:49 AM3/15/04
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"Jon" <series...@virgin.net.swb> wrote in message
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> Whilst we're so OT - Is there a quick way of cleaning an oil painting like
> the one above?
> Jon

The quickest way is with a jetwasher, but you'll absolutely ruin the
painting of course.

Now, if you'd said a *quick and effective* way...

David


Jon

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Mar 15, 2004, 5:32:52 AM3/15/04
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Instead of the Turner Prize winning way.....
Jon


David G. Bell

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Mar 15, 2004, 5:47:53 AM3/15/04
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On Monday, in article <c33u8o$f8n$1...@thorium.cix.co.uk>
series...@virgin.net.swb "Jon" wrote:

> "Mr.Nice." <mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:u2sa50pm7dvn0m40u...@4ax.com...
> > I've just bought a rather nice painting, around 3 feet by 2 feet, oil
> > on canvas.
> > Does anyone know if I can mount it in a normal picture frame ie
> > between glass and woor or must it be stretched and stapled to a frame?
> >

> Whilst we're so OT - Is there a quick way of cleaning an oil painting like
> the one above?

Any painting needs properly mounting. Which for the one you describe
means it needs to be stretched on a frame. And, for anything, the glass
should never touch the picture surface.

Cleaning a painting is never quick. And even the experts cannot get
insurance against damaging a painting while it is being cleaned.

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AN6530

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Mar 15, 2004, 10:47:54 AM3/15/04
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>Subject: OT, way way OT: mounting a painting
>From: Mr.Nice. mr.nice@-nospam-clara.co.uk
>Date: 15/03/2004 09:00 GMT

>Does anyone know if I can mount it in a normal picture frame ie
>between glass and woor or must it be stretched and stapled to a frame?

The usual method is to tack or staple it to a frame known as a stretcher which
has slots in the inside corners that allow little wooden wedges to be driven in
to tension the canvas.

Steve. Suffolk.
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AN6530

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Mar 15, 2004, 10:51:01 AM3/15/04
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>Subject: Re: OT, way way OT: mounting a painting
>From: "Jon" series...@virgin.net.swb
>Date: 15/03/2004 09:50 GMT

>Whilst we're so OT - Is there a quick way of cleaning an oil painting like
>the one above?

A very gentle go over with a brush on a vacuum cleaner with the machine on it's
very lowest setting should be fairly safe, anything else really needs a
professional restorer to cast their eye over it first (which I used to be many,
many moons ago).

Mr.Nice.

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Mar 15, 2004, 10:51:52 AM3/15/04
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Twas 15 Mar 2004 15:47:54 GMT when an6...@aol.comknujon (AN6530) put
finger to keyboard producing:

Looks like it's not a do it myself thing then. off to the framers we
go.

Richard Brookman

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Mar 15, 2004, 2:51:14 PM3/15/04
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Mr.Nice. wrote:

Stretch and fasten to a frame, then tension the frame with wedges like Steve
says. It is usual to mount an oil painting in a wooden frame, perhaps with
a separate inner frame called a slip, without glass. Glass is really for
watercolours - part of the appeal of a good oil is the texture, and the
glass will obscure it.

Cleaning? Nitromors does it for me.

NOT!

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GyroLady

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Mar 15, 2004, 6:53:26 PM3/15/04
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My mum always swore by rubbing a cut potato GENTLY over the picture. Not
recommended for a very expensive painting though. Professional cleaning
only!

HTH

Amanda

Jon

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Mar 18, 2004, 4:13:32 AM3/18/04
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The oil is quite thick in places, so getting a potato over the surface might
be tricky. Does the starch stain the picture?.... (Interesting way of
swearing though)
I remember seeing one of the Antique RoadShow guys cleaning a picture. The
next week there was a disclaimer. It think he was using white sprit/meths.
Jon


AN6530

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Mar 18, 2004, 4:44:13 AM3/18/04
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>Subject: Re: OT, way way OT: mounting a painting
>From: "Jon" series...@virgin.net.swb
>Date: 18/03/2004 09:13 GMT

>I remember seeing one of the Antique RoadShow guys cleaning a picture. The
>next week there was a disclaimer. It think he was using white sprit/meths.

If the varnish layer is dull white spirit or turpentine is sometimes used to
gently wet the surface which often reveals hidden details a la Antiques
Roadshow. The dirt is invariably trapped on the surface of the varnish which
itself usually darkens with age especially if the picture has beeen hung in a
smokey room. Removal of the old varnish layer and application of new is usually
all that is required, the skilled bit of course is removing just the varnish
and not the paints! Complications arise when the paint layers have cracked or
are lifting off the canvass in which case a process using hot wax and resins is
sometimes used to get them to adhere to the canvass again. If the canvass
itself is damaged / ripped new canvass patches are sometimes applied or in
extreme cases the whole canvass can be 'relined' which in reality means the
the whole picture is stuck onto a new piece of canvass.

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