New MOT rules Today

bert

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Mar 20, 2013, 6:33:28 PM3/20/13

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Much stricter MOT rules come into force today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-coul
d-see-thousands-of-failures.html

Is it just a coincidence that an ad for a Freelander appear at the top
of the screen?

Series owners please note seats must be able to slide fully backwards
and forwards

As for D3 owners - well I think I'd get rid right now.

The justification is to fall in line with Europe but we have "resisted"
proposals to begin MOTs at 4 years instead of three and to have tests
every two year instead of annually.
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Dougal

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Mar 20, 2013, 7:13:51 PM3/20/13

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On 20/03/2013 22:33, bert wrote:
> Much stricter MOT rules come into force today
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-coul
> d-see-thousands-of-failures.html
>
> Is it just a coincidence that an ad for a Freelander appear at the top
> of the screen?
>
> Series owners please note seats must be able to slide fully backwards
> and forwards

An erroneous view, I feel. I'd be very surprised if seats that are fixed
by design are subject to this requirement.

Everything else mentioned seems to fall into the category that if
fitted, even if totally non-essential/non-safety, should work. That is
typical EU and typically seen as fit for 'enhancement' by UK legislators.

Dave Liquorice

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Mar 20, 2013, 7:13:09 PM3/20/13

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:33:28 +0000, bert wrote:

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-
> could-see-thousands-of-failures.html

I can't decide if they are actually testing the sub-systems mentioned or
just checking that the dashboard indicator lights linked to those
sub-systems don't indicate a problem after the POST. I suspect the latter
as the burden on the MOT testing stations to actually test, say the
stabilty control across all makes/models, would be just too great.

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Why are people so cruel

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Mar 20, 2013, 11:35:09 PM3/20/13

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"bert" <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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There is plenty of evidence that annual vehicle safety testing does not
improve
road safety - and in many cases makes it worse. An on road testing regime
where you can be stopped and your vehicle then subjected to a test is far
more likely to make sure that owners keep their vehicles maintained all year
instead of just the week before an MOT test is due. The annual tests are now
more about income for testing stations and very little to do with reducing
vehicle accidents.

John Williamson

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Mar 21, 2013, 5:03:13 AM3/21/13

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On 20/03/2013 23:13, Dougal wrote:
> On 20/03/2013 22:33, bert wrote:
>> Much stricter MOT rules come into force today
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-coul
>> d-see-thousands-of-failures.html
>>
>> Is it just a coincidence that an ad for a Freelander appear at the top
>> of the screen?
>>
>> Series owners please note seats must be able to slide fully backwards
>> and forwards
>
> An erroneous view, I feel. I'd be very surprised if seats that are fixed
> by design are subject to this requirement.
>

Series 2 seat bases are supposed to be moveable. By about an inch. I'll
have to check mine and grease the runners now, I suppose.

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John.

Bob Hobden

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Mar 21, 2013, 9:45:36 AM3/21/13

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"Why are people so cruel" wrote ...
>
>
>"bert" wrote in message

Considering the number of vehicles one sees with blown brake lights, rear
lights and even head lights I would think it is just a case of only checking
before the MOT and then they probably get the garage to do it.
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bert

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Mar 21, 2013, 10:29:47 AM3/21/13

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In message <ar00mj...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes

Actually "classic" vehicles are now exempt all together. I think it's
just been extended to 1974 - article today on Reliant Robins, last one
manufactured 1973
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bert

bert

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Mar 21, 2013, 10:27:33 AM3/21/13

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In message <M5qdnT3uLckt39fM...@eclipse.net.uk>, Dougal
<DougalATHisKennel.free-online.co.uk@?.?.invalid> writes

>On 20/03/2013 22:33, bert wrote:
>> Much stricter MOT rules come into force today
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-coul
>> d-see-thousands-of-failures.html
>>
>> Is it just a coincidence that an ad for a Freelander appear at the top
>> of the screen?
>>
>> Series owners please note seats must be able to slide fully backwards
>> and forwards
>
>An erroneous view, I feel. I'd be very surprised if seats that are fixed
>by design are subject to this requirement.
>

'Twas a bit tongue in cheek

>Everything else mentioned seems to fall into the category that if
>fitted, even if totally non-essential/non-safety, should work. That is
>typical EU and typically seen as fit for 'enhancement' by UK legislators.
>
>> As for D3 owners - well I think I'd get rid right now.
>>
>> The justification is to fall in line with Europe but we have "resisted"
>> proposals to begin MOTs at 4 years instead of three and to have tests
>> every two year instead of annually.
>>
>

I just wonder how much is actually EU and how much is MoT jobsworth's
enhancements.
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bert

bert

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Mar 21, 2013, 10:32:17 AM3/21/13

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In message <ar0h80...@mid.individual.net>, Bob Hobden
<Bo...@invalid.com> writes

I suspect there isn't much evidence to suggest that failed headlamp
wash-wipes have caused any more accidents than those cars of same model
range which do not have them in the first place.

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bert

John Williamson

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Mar 21, 2013, 12:36:25 PM3/21/13

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That'd be handy, mine's a 1968 model, mostly... (Actually, it's about
50/ 50 by weight)

Wait for the sting in the tail when they decide you can't have a classic
as your only vehicle.

Why are people so cruel

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Mar 24, 2013, 2:48:23 PM3/24/13

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"bert" <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message

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Years ago I had a SII Landrover stripped down, no roof, windscreen, doors,
etc. It failed an MOT because the windscreen wipers were not fitted!! I put
the wipers on - but still no windscreen - and it was passed.

bert

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Mar 26, 2013, 7:55:36 PM3/26/13

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In message <8UH3t.4815$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>, Why
are people so cruel <noon...@microsoft.com> writes

Following on behind all this are proposals to decree that only
manufacturer approved replacement spares can be used. I believe this is
already the case in Italy.
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Bill

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Mar 27, 2013, 1:24:55 PM3/27/13

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:55:36 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>In message <8UH3t.4815$Ow3...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>, Why
>are people so cruel <noon...@microsoft.com> writes

>>Years ago I had a SII Landrover stripped down, no roof, windscreen,
>>doors,
>>etc. It failed an MOT because the windscreen wipers were not fitted!! I put
>>the wipers on - but still no windscreen - and it was passed.
>Following on behind all this are proposals to decree that only
>manufacturer approved replacement spares can be used. I believe this is
>already the case in Italy.

I'd be willing to bet that Land Rover Defenders privately owned for
Civil Defence purposes in Italy are already exempt from this one.

SpamTrapSeeSig

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Mar 29, 2013, 10:17:17 AM3/29/13

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In article <YmRj9aB4VjURFA$r...@nospam.co.uk>, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]>
writes

>Following on behind all this are proposals to decree that only
>manufacturer approved replacement spares can be used. I believe this is
>already the case in Italy.

Yup. Another delightful EU directive.

Just remember it's all about democracy, not corporate lobbying in back
rooms.

Grrrr.

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SimonM

Austin Shackles

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Apr 1, 2013, 3:54:51 PM4/1/13

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On or around Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:29:47 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]>
enlightened us thusly:

You sure that wasn't Regals? we definitely had a 1978 Robin... twas UOJ 49S
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bert

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Apr 1, 2013, 7:00:15 PM4/1/13

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In message <1fpjl8tbnr69ok2r9...@4ax.com>, Austin Shackles
<austinDITCHTHIS...@ddol-las.net> writes

>On or around Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:29:47 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>In message <ar00mj...@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>><johnwil...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>On 20/03/2013 23:13, Dougal wrote:
>>>> On 20/03/2013 22:33, bert wrote:
>>>>> Much stricter MOT rules come into force today
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9940168/New-tough-MoT-rules-coul
>>>>> d-see-thousands-of-failures.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it just a coincidence that an ad for a Freelander appear at the top
>>>>> of the screen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Series owners please note seats must be able to slide fully backwards
>>>>> and forwards
>>>>
>>>> An erroneous view, I feel. I'd be very surprised if seats that are fixed
>>>> by design are subject to this requirement.
>>>>
>>>Series 2 seat bases are supposed to be moveable. By about an inch. I'll
>>>have to check mine and grease the runners now, I suppose.
>>>
>>Actually "classic" vehicles are now exempt all together. I think it's
>>just been extended to 1974 - article today on Reliant Robins, last one
>>manufactured 1973
>
>You sure that wasn't Regals? we definitely had a 1978 Robin... twas UOJ 49S

Could be - I'm only quoting what I've heard/read somewhere - I think it
was BBC News
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bert