Today
Jim Foster
Last night i was having a conversation with my mom where we were arguing
about cleaning up our house. In the midst of it my mom was telling me really
what she wanted was to be listened to, i started to tell her i -was-
listening, but... i really got, in that moment, that the way people are in
conversation is wanting to be expressed (know, acknowledged, understood, or
what have you). I was at a special evening last night where the forum leader
was talking about ~self expression~ is not getting something that's inside
of you out of yourself. It's making a statement of what you're to be, and
then being your word... doing things to express yourself in what you stand
for. In arguing with my mom... i got it --to my innermost being-- that we as
people aren't being our word when we argue (just look at lawyers ;). We
weren't being expressed in the commitment to improve our house, in that; so
i got up, told my mom to write me the info on what she needed help with at
what times, etc. and told her i'd do certian things around the house
(dishes, and talk my brothers and sister, etc). We talked about it a little
more and the conversation ended up being cool.
What's funny tho is... that day, when i got home from work (i work a
3am-8am shift) i declared to myself that that day i'd be effective in
fulfilling what i said i'd do.
Today i'm declaring that there's gonna be some excitement ;) So everyone,
have fun today
there's no better day to do it (=
j2
alan
perhaps your mother would be interested in attending the guest evening ;-0
Still, its good to know that the landmark teachings are keeping yet another
American household clean and tidy...... three cheers for the forum.. hip hip
Alan
Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Larry Person
Jim Foster wrote in message <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>...
> i got it --to my innermost being-- that we as
>people aren't being our word when we argue (just look at lawyers ;).
Jim, I don't see that arguing and being our word are mutually exclusive.
KMottus
<La...@LarryPerson.com> writes:
I gotta agreed with Larry on this one. It greatly depends on
what is driving the arguing, what's underneath it. But that'd
get you into that grey area you don't like. Easier to just think
all arguing/disagreement is bad, rather than discern what any
particular arguement is about, and decide out of that.
K.
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kmo...@aol.com
Larry Person
time, we still argue and carry on and we ENJOY arguing and carrying on and
sometimes we don't get off it, and sometimes it has NOTHING TO DO WITH
COMMITMENTS AND OUR WORD!
KMottus wrote in message <19990819071449...@ngol03.aol.com>...
je...@my-deja.com
"Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
So Jim,
Did you end up doing any stuff around the house? Or what?
Jen.
> Hey everybody,
>
> Last night i was having a conversation with my mom where we were
arguing
> about cleaning up our house. In the midst of it my mom was telling me
really
> what she wanted was to be listened to, i started to tell her i -was-
> listening, but... i really got, in that moment, that the way people
are in
> conversation is wanting to be expressed (know, acknowledged,
understood, or
> what have you). I was at a special evening last night where the forum
leader
> was talking about ~self expression~ is not getting something that's
inside
> of you out of yourself. It's making a statement of what you're to be,
and
> then being your word... doing things to express yourself in what you
stand
> for. In arguing with my mom... i got it --to my innermost being--
that we as
> people aren't being our word when we argue (just look at lawyers ;).
We
> weren't being expressed in the commitment to improve our house, in
that; so
> i got up, told my mom to write me the info on what she needed help
with at
> what times, etc. and told her i'd do certian things around the house
> (dishes, and talk my brothers and sister, etc). We talked about it a
little
> more and the conversation ended up being cool.
>
> What's funny tho is... that day, when i got home from work (i
work a
> 3am-8am shift) i declared to myself that that day i'd be effective in
> fulfilling what i said i'd do.
>
> Today i'm declaring that there's gonna be some excitement ;) So
everyone,
> have fun today
>
> there's no better day to do it (=
>
> j2
>
>
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Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message ...
>Yup. Also we're all still human, we're not transformed 100 percent of the
>time, we still argue and carry on and we ENJOY arguing and carrying on and
>sometimes we don't get off it, and sometimes it has NOTHING TO DO WITH
>COMMITMENTS AND OUR WORD!
I hear that, Larry. It doesn't necissarily have to do with my word or my
commitments; that was a little bland communicaton on my part.
What i got was more... argument isn't a genuine communication. While, it
would depend on whatever my word is as far as "keeping" it, or fulfilling it
in argument... i was going on -being true to myself, and in my word to
myself-. Like argument does nothing to facilitate the function i'm pursuing
in a conversation.
Arguments can be enjoyable, but i still would rather not do it. Like eating
ice cream... it's good, but it's not something i want in my body. I still
eat it sometimes, it's not bad, and i don't even regret it; but it's still
an action that i'm not being true to myself while i'm doing.
Some people it may not apply to,
but i've never met one (Besides a lawyer) who's goal is to do that.
Like that commercial, have you seen that one? with the little kids saying
stuff like "when i grow up i wanna be a brown noser," "when i grow up i
wanna be stuck in a dead end job?"
That's all i'm saying. People aren't crazy about arguing and in arguing
(which i found i had been spending about 90% of my time in conversation
doing) we're not being who we as people "really are."
j2
>
>
>KMottus wrote in message <19990819071449...@ngol03.aol.com>...
>>In article <7BQu3.3171$9K....@news.rdc1.nj.home.com>, "Larry Person"
>><La...@LarryPerson.com> writes:
>>
>>>Jim Foster wrote in message <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>> i got it --to my innermost being-- that we as
>>>>people aren't being our word when we argue (just look at lawyers ;).
>>>
mizm...@my-deja.com
je...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> So Jim,
>
> Did you end up doing any stuff around the house? Or what?
>
> Jen.
LOL. I think the house is still dirty, but at least he got his mom to
write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
In my experience, Landmarkians are big on talking about stuff they're
going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
Mamie
patrick
i think it would be interesting to do a follow up on this in the
near future and see if he really helps or not :)
--
Dont let anyone tell u, what u must do
INXS
Larry Person
mizm...@my-deja.com wrote:
: LOL. I think the house is still dirty, but at least he got his mom to
: write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
: And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
Yes. That's the Housecleaning Information Form (HIF).
: In my experience, Landmarkians are big on talking about stuff they're
: going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
I have observed that as well.
Mark Cooper
Did someone say "Hunger Project"?
Mark
Jim Foster
mizm...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ph63r$v3q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <7ph3uk$tib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> je...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> In article <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
>> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> So Jim,
>>
>> Did you end up doing any stuff around the house? Or what?
>>
>> Jen.
>
>write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
>And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
>
>going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
>
>
>
That takes me out of the classification "landmarkian" then.
j2
Jim Foster
patrick wrote in message <7phi7c$97t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> i think it would be interesting to do a follow up on this in the
>near future and see if he really helps or not :)
i think that's inevitable ;)
j2
Jim Foster
I get to coordinate the laundry
and starting next week the house gets "transformed"
j2
je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ph3uk$tib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>So Jim,
>
>Did you end up doing any stuff around the house? Or what?
>
>Jen.
>
>
>
>> Hey everybody,
>>
>> Last night i was having a conversation with my mom where we were
>arguing
>> about cleaning up our house. In the midst of it my mom was telling me
>really
>> what she wanted was to be listened to, i started to tell her i -was-
>> listening, but... i really got, in that moment, that the way people
>are in
>> conversation is wanting to be expressed (know, acknowledged,
>understood, or
>> what have you). I was at a special evening last night where the forum
>leader
>> was talking about ~self expression~ is not getting something that's
>inside
>> of you out of yourself. It's making a statement of what you're to be,
>and
>> then being your word... doing things to express yourself in what you
>stand
>> for. In arguing with my mom... i got it --to my innermost being--
>that we as
>> people aren't being our word when we argue (just look at lawyers ;).
>We
>> weren't being expressed in the commitment to improve our house, in
>that; so
>> i got up, told my mom to write me the info on what she needed help
>with at
>> what times, etc. and told her i'd do certian things around the house
>> (dishes, and talk my brothers and sister, etc). We talked about it a
>little
>> more and the conversation ended up being cool.
>>
>> What's funny tho is... that day, when i got home from work (i
>work a
>> 3am-8am shift) i declared to myself that that day i'd be effective in
>> fulfilling what i said i'd do.
>>
>> Today i'm declaring that there's gonna be some excitement ;) So
>everyone,
>> have fun today
>>
>> there's no better day to do it (=
>>
>> j2
>>
>>
>
>
Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message <7phjan$do8$1...@its.hooked.net>...
>
>mizm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>: LOL. I think the house is still dirty, but at least he got his mom to
>: write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
>: And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
>
>
>: going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
>
i've observed that as well in most people.
j2
Jim Foster
it's funny tho how i sit around and criticize people for not doing what they
say they'll do... and then not step out and take any risk saying i'll do
something alot of the time.
It's unfortunate most of the people who know how to do "things" or how
people should do the things they say they will aren't out there doing
"things".
j2
Mark Cooper wrote in message <37BC82...@neotek.net>...
>Larry Person wrote:
>>
>> mizm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> : LOL. I think the house is still dirty, but at least he got his mom to
>> : write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
>> : And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
>>
>> Yes. That's the Housecleaning Information Form (HIF).
>>
>> : In my experience, Landmarkians are big on talking about stuff they're
>> : going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
>>
>> I have observed that as well.
>
Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message ...
>
>Jim Foster wrote in message <7ph1vo$v8$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>What i got was more... argument isn't a genuine communication.
>
no. Feelings and other personal issues get in the way.
>
>>While, it
>>would depend on whatever my word is as far as "keeping" it, or fulfilling
>it
>>in argument... i was going on -being true to myself, and in my word to
>>myself-. Like argument does nothing to facilitate the function i'm
pursuing
>>in a conversation.
>
>You should lighten up.
(=
i'm not heavy.
>
>>Some people it may not apply to,
>>but i've never met one (Besides a lawyer) who's goal is to do that.
>
>You don't know many new yorkers, do you?
Okay, lawyers and new yorkers.
What the insight is, is -i am not on this earth to argue and in argument i
get stuck-
>
>>That's all i'm saying. People aren't crazy about arguing and in arguing
>>(which i found i had been spending about 90% of my time in conversation
>>doing) we're not being who we as people "really are."
>
>
>What? Whoever I'm being is who I really am.
But not always effectively who you want to be. (self image or self
actualization)
j2
Jim Foster
mizm...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pica1$rcq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <7ph1vo$v8$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> I hear that, Larry. It doesn't necissarily have to do with my word or
>> my commitments; that was a little bland communicaton on my part.
>
not once
>
>> Arguments can be enjoyable, but i still would rather not do it. Like
>> eating ice cream... it's good, but it's not something i want in my
>> body. I still eat it sometimes, it's not bad, and i don't even regret
>> it; but it's still an action that i'm not being true to myself while
>> i'm doing.
>
>It sounds like ice cream is very upsetting to you. Did someone pelt
>you with a spoonful in your childhood?
There's more there than ice cream. It could have been doing drugs, or
telling my brother he's an idiot.
>
>> Like that commercial, have you seen that one? with the little kids
>> saying stuff like "when i grow up i wanna be a brown noser," "when i
>> grow up i wanna be stuck in a dead end job?"
>
>Yeah, and the "When I grow up, I wanna be an Intro. to the Forum Leader
>and enroll people in the powerful possibilities they can create in
>their lives" one. That one always makes me laugh.
>
>Mamie
Well, considering that i, as i kid always wanted to be excellent in
everything i do (like, seen as the most awesome person, and help people), a
"good" genuine person, and in profession, a writer.... And i wasn't geting
there who i was being at the time, the commercial struck me as significant
to the way people live their lives (and i had been living mine). I didn't go
change everything after the commercial; i just thought people were all even
more of idiots.
So once again i'll say, i'm not talking about or defending LEC. In my
life... there are places i'm going, and i don't get there by arguing. It's
an abiding point.
I'm not on the path to being an ILFL and transforming your life. I'm on the
path to being what i've wanted to since i was a small, and standing for what
i want to generate in the world.
j2
Jim Foster
so next week... And my whole family is involved and even excited about what
we're going to do for our house.
(toldja there'd be excitement today ;)
j2
Jim Foster wrote in message <7pig41$59d$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>dishes every night.
>
>I get to coordinate the laundry
>and starting next week the house gets "transformed"
>
>j2
>
>je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ph3uk$tib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>In article <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
Larry Person
Jim Foster wrote in message <7ph1vo$v8$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>What i got was more... argument isn't a genuine communication.
Oh no?
>While, it
>would depend on whatever my word is as far as "keeping" it, or fulfilling
it
>in argument... i was going on -being true to myself, and in my word to
>myself-. Like argument does nothing to facilitate the function i'm pursuing
>in a conversation.
You should lighten up.
>Some people it may not apply to,
>but i've never met one (Besides a lawyer) who's goal is to do that.
You don't know many new yorkers, do you?
>That's all i'm saying. People aren't crazy about arguing and in arguing
mizm...@my-deja.com
"Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I hear that, Larry. It doesn't necissarily have to do with my word or
> my commitments; that was a little bland communicaton on my part.
Have you considered taking CAP and CPP to remedy this?
> Arguments can be enjoyable, but i still would rather not do it. Like
> eating ice cream... it's good, but it's not something i want in my
> body. I still eat it sometimes, it's not bad, and i don't even regret
> it; but it's still an action that i'm not being true to myself while
> i'm doing.
It sounds like ice cream is very upsetting to you. Did someone pelt
you with a spoonful in your childhood?
> Like that commercial, have you seen that one? with the little kids
> saying stuff like "when i grow up i wanna be a brown noser," "when i
> grow up i wanna be stuck in a dead end job?"
Yeah, and the "When I grow up, I wanna be an Intro. to the Forum Leader
and enroll people in the powerful possibilities they can create in
their lives" one. That one always makes me laugh.
Mamie
je...@my-deja.com
"Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm going to be in a practice forum this weekend,
>
> so next week...
Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, :-) and you can't see the irony in this I guess -
uh??:-)
Had a bit of a "row" with my 16 year old the other day too - about
doing stuff round the house. He did the rubbish that night and has been
just great round the place for the last week:-) Cool uh?
'Course we had the advantage of not having to put it off for a week
while we went to forum:-)))) Double cool uh?
Sounds like you and your Mum are doing pretty normal everyday sort of
parent/teenage stuff with pretty normal everyday sort of outcomes to
me. Good on ya both!!
And my guess is both our families have a way to go yet - a few more
'rows', a few more understandings, a few more realizations - I think
its called growing up:-)
Jen.
And my whole family is involved and even excited about what
> we're going to do for our house.
>
> (toldja there'd be excitement today ;)
> j2
>
> Jim Foster wrote in message <7pig41$59d$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >dishes every night.
> >
> >I get to coordinate the laundry
> >and starting next week the house gets "transformed"
> >
> >j2
> >
> >je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ph3uk$tib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >>In article <7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>,
KMottus
>What i got was more... argument isn't a genuine communication. While, it
>would depend on whatever my word is as far as "keeping" it, or fulfilling it
>in argument... i was going on -being true to myself, and in my word to
>myself-. Like argument does nothing to facilitate the function i'm pursuing
>in a conversation.
Seems like your still trying to justify the position that arguing is
~bad and wrong~.
Argueing is argueing, sometimes its a cover to hide the real issue,
but it can be genuine, authentic, useful, intimate, and just about
any other ~way of being~ that exists.
KMottus
<illu...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Larry Person wrote in message ...
>>
>>Jim Foster wrote in message <7ph1vo$v8$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>>What i got was more... argument isn't a genuine communication.
>>
>>Oh no?
>
>no. Feelings and other personal issues get in the way.
Perhaps in the way that you personally experience "arguement"
You do know that a big part of genuine communication is
communicating the feelings and the personal issues?
That which you are unwilling to communicate will run you.
Jim Foster
KMottus wrote in message <19990820083855...@ngol04.aol.com>...
>
>
>Perhaps in the way that you personally experience "arguement"
>
>You do know that a big part of genuine communication is
>communicating the feelings and the personal issues?
>
>That which you are unwilling to communicate will run you.
>
>K.
>
i got that
j2
Jim Foster
je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pj8rv$fbb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <7pihm2$8g4$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> I'm going to be in a practice forum this weekend,
>>
>> so next week...
>
>Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, :-) and you can't see the irony in this I guess -
>uh??:-)
>
>Had a bit of a "row" with my 16 year old the other day too - about
>doing stuff round the house. He did the rubbish that night and has been
>just great round the place for the last week:-) Cool uh?
>
>'Course we had the advantage of not having to put it off for a week
>while we went to forum:-)))) Double cool uh?
Yep! (=
Tripple cool that my family will be working on it while i'm in hte forum
this weekend ;)
>
>Sounds like you and your Mum are doing pretty normal everyday sort of
>parent/teenage stuff with pretty normal everyday sort of outcomes to
>me. Good on ya both!!
>
>And my guess is both our families have a way to go yet - a few more
>'rows', a few more understandings, a few more realizations - I think
>its called growing up:-)
>
>Jen.
Thanks, Jen
j2
Linda
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<WIPES HER EYES> HEE HEE, hee hee, HEE HEE...
Stop, my side is starting to hurt.
oh gawd, <catches her breath>
I haven't laughed that long in a while,
Whew, that was funny. :-D
L.
je...@my-deja.com
"Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pj8rv$fbb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >In article <7pihm2$8g4$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> I'm going to be in a practice forum this weekend,
> >>
> >> so next week...
> >
> >Oh Jim, Jim, Jim, :-) and you can't see the irony in this I guess -
> >uh??:-)
> >
> >Had a bit of a "row" with my 16 year old the other day too - about
> >doing stuff round the house. He did the rubbish that night and has
been
> >just great round the place for the last week:-) Cool uh?
> >
> >'Course we had the advantage of not having to put it off for a week
> >while we went to forum:-)))) Double cool uh?
>
> Yep! (=
>
> Tripple cool that my family will be working on it while i'm in hte
forum
> this weekend ;)
Uuuuuummmmm???..<Scratches head?>...<thinking thinking thinking>........
Oh YEAH!!! I get it!!!! The _FAMILY_ will be working on it;-) Right!!
Gotcha!! Yep, thats pretty cool allright:-)
> >Sounds like you and your Mum are doing pretty normal everyday sort of
> >parent/teenage stuff with pretty normal everyday sort of outcomes to
> >me. Good on ya both!!
> >
> >And my guess is both our families have a way to go yet - a few more
> >'rows', a few more understandings, a few more realizations - I think
> >its called growing up:-)
> >
> >Jen.
>
> Thanks, Jen
Well, don't mention it Jim. It was my absolute pleasure:-) You sure are
a polite young man.
Best regards
enjoy your weekend
Jen.
Jim Foster
KMottus wrote in message <19990820215037...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>In article <37BD5705...@inlink.com>, Linda <dhc...@inlink.com>
writes:
>
>>
>>Whew, that was funny. :-D
>
>
>You like the "good student" answer?? I'm very good at
>those.
>
Actually that's just my response to what you said
There's not alto of potnetential for you to see i "really got it" when it's
a *good student answer*. So i'm telling you... i really got it
j2
Jim Foster
je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pjprb$rja$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <7pjjom$k9t$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Oh YEAH!!! I get it!!!! The _FAMILY_ will be working on it;-) Right!!
>Gotcha!! Yep, thats pretty cool allright:-)
Yes, my brother takes out the trash and mows the lawns. Sister's
responsibility is the living room... i do the kitchen and littlest one does
the bathrooms. Just for now, for it getting to clean. Then everyone is
responsible for everything.
>
>Well, don't mention it Jim. It was my absolute pleasure:-) You sure are
>a polite young man.
>
>Best regards
>enjoy your weekend
You have no idea ;)
j2
KMottus
>
><WIPES HER EYES> HEE HEE, hee hee, HEE HEE...
>
>Stop, my side is starting to hurt.
>
>oh gawd, <catches her breath>
>I haven't laughed that long in a while,
>
>Whew, that was funny. :-D
You've laughed, my job here is done <giggle>
You like the "good student" answer?? I'm very good at
those.
Got me through school. I was always the quiet one in the
corner doing my own thing (origami got me through several
grades). When I was married my husband had me take a test
they used at the high school he taught at. Looked at learning
styles, and other aspects of personality that seem to be good
predictors of who will be dropping out. I'm in the 95% of these
kids (or something obnoxious like that) drop out group. Very
random in my learning style. They did say that the few who
figure out how to "do the school thang" tend to do very well,
even if they do things a bit unconventionally. My trick is learning
the good student answers. You drop a few of those, and the
teacher leaves you alone... they think your actually paying
attention. That and being able to guess at multiple choice
questions really really well. I usually answer them by asking
myself which of the 4 answers seems to fit the way I think the
world works.... Most of the time I can answer something multiple
choice by some sort of deductive reasoning without ever actually
knowing the answer... it's very wierd.
Raina Beurle
>> > "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > So Jim,
>> >
>> > Did you end up doing any stuff around the house? Or what?
>> >
>> > Jen.
>>
>> write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
>> And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
>>
>> going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
>>
>near future and see if he really helps or not :)
>
>
>Dont let anyone tell u, what u must do
> INXS
>
>
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Like a reality check. Ask Mom 'well did he really help out? Or did he just
talk a lot about the awesome possibility of helping out and what a
difference he saw that it could make.
I love the new converts. They are so cute.... Quick drop to the floor and
give us 10 pushups. Atta boy...hehehe
when we were in the programs ... were we programmed?
love miss raina
Raina Beurle
Jim Foster wrote in message <7piges$2o6$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>heh,
>
>it's funny tho how i sit around and criticize people for not doing what
they
>say they'll do... and then not step out and take any risk saying i'll do
>something alot of the time.
>
>It's unfortunate most of the people who know how to do "things" or how
>people should do the things they say they will aren't out there doing
>"things".
Isn't that just how it is rather than unfortunate? Your use of the term
'unfortunate' implies making someone bad and wrong and imposing a value
judgement, dare I suggest even being righteous. That's what I got from your
communication anyway. That's not standing in the possibility of another
human beings magnificence now is it, nor does it seem were you looking
genourously from what's empowering and what's enabling.. now I know that's
not who you are.... and does not correlate with the future you have invented
for yourself now does it??......
Your homework is to get complete with three people, bring in two enrolments
and schedule 3 additional assisting agreements between now and next weekend.
And I want you do this standing fully inside your commitment and the
possibility that you are standing for and be prepared to share next week. I
understand that you will have to take time off work to do this but if you
want me to seriously relate to you as your possibility then you will take
the actions that will clearly demonstrate your commitment. Make sure you
call your coach each day at 5:25 am and report when you have completed your
assignment. I have to say that this episode makes it difficult for me to
authentically relate to you as that which you say you are but I remain
absolutely committed to have you be the manifestation, not just the
vocalisation, of the future you have declared yourself to be; fully,
unabashededly and as a bold statement of self expression created from
nothing, moment by moment.
Now repeat your homework assignment back to me so I can be clear you got it.
love miss raina
Just imagine if you had to use quotations signs every time you used LEC
clichespeak.
When we were in the programs were we programmed.
love miss raina
>j2
>
>Mark Cooper wrote in message <37BC82...@neotek.net>...
>>Larry Person wrote:
>>>
>>> mizm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>> : LOL. I think the house is still dirty, but at least he got his mom to
>>> : write up a list of things she wanted done. (Hard of hearing, Jim?)
>>> : And don't forget about that great conversation they had.
>>>
>>> Yes. That's the Housecleaning Information Form (HIF).
>>>
>>> : In my experience, Landmarkians are big on talking about stuff they're
>>> : going to do but not so good at actually doing it.
>>>
je...@my-deja.com
"Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pjprb$rja$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh YEAH!!! I get it!!!! The _FAMILY_ will be working on it;-)
Right!!
> >Gotcha!! Yep, thats pretty cool allright:-)
>
> Yes, my brother takes out the trash and mows the lawns. Sister's
> responsibility is the living room... i do the kitchen and littlest
one does
> the bathrooms. Just for now, for it getting to clean. Then everyone is
> responsible for everything.
Jim, do you do your 3am to 8am job while you're at forum? As well as
your chores?
Let us know how the cleaning ~agreement~ works out in your house - in
say, about three weeks time eh? This is a current issue in our house at
the moment too, so I'd be interested.
> >Well, don't mention it Jim. It was my absolute pleasure:-) You sure
are
> >a polite young man.
> >
> >Best regards
> >enjoy your weekend
>
> You have no idea ;)
Well, I think perhaps I have one or two. I'm not quite as easily
written off as that.
Jen.
Larry Person
Jim Foster wrote in message <7pl7v2$e77$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>littlest one does
>the bathrooms.
Be sure to check for pubic hair on the toilet.
Larry Person
je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pm1mi$ee7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Let us know how the cleaning ~agreement~ works out in your house - in
>say, about three weeks time eh? This is a current issue in our house at
>the moment too, so I'd be interested.
Hmmm. Maybe if your kids did the forum they'd help out around the house
more, eh Jen?
alan
alan <alan.ca...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:...
> Jim
>
> perhaps your mother would be interested in attending the guest evening ;-0
>
> Still, its good to know that the landmark teachings are keeping yet
another
> American household clean and tidy...... three cheers for the forum.. hip
hip
>
> Alan
>
>
> Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:7pgasj$vd9$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
Jim Foster
Raina Beurle wrote in message <93521130...@srv1.space.net.au>...
>
>
>Like a reality check. Ask Mom 'well did he really help out? Or did he just
>talk a lot about the awesome possibility of helping out and what a
>difference he saw that it could make.
>
[snip]
>love miss raina
It's funny
You're saying how grads talk and don't take action,
but what's going on here?
If theres something that i'm really ---committed to--- then i'm committed!
i'm gonna do it!
j2
Jim Foster
[snip]
>Isn't that just how it is rather than unfortunate? Your use of the term
>'unfortunate' implies making someone bad and wrong and imposing a value
>judgement, dare I suggest even being righteous. That's what I got from your
>communication anyway. That's not standing in the possibility of another
>human beings magnificence now is it, nor does it seem were you looking
>genourously from what's empowering and what's enabling.. now I know that's
>not who you are.... and does not correlate with the future you have
invented
>for yourself now does it??......
My use of the term unfortunate implies that it's unfortunate.
I love this finger pointing ;)
Who said it was wrong to make someone wrong? I make alot of people wrong. I
make you wrong all the time. I make myself wrong for making you wrong.
Ultimately it's just a judgement. Right/wrong good/bad true/untrue, etc.
[snip]
>love miss raina
>
>Just imagine if you had to use quotations signs every time you used LEC
>clichespeak.
heh
just imagine if we had to get slapped every time we made someone wrong
j2
Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message <6yvv3.3697$9K....@news.rdc1.nj.home.com>...
Jim Foster
>Let us know how the cleaning ~agreement~ works out in your house - in
>say, about three weeks time eh? This is a current issue in our house at
>the moment too, so I'd be interested.
>
Well... i'm tellin you i'm committed right now; in 3 weeks i'll give you an
update.
>> You have no idea ;)
>
>Well, I think perhaps I have one or two. I'm not quite as easily
>written off as that.
>
>Jen
No, this is new
even if it wasn't new it would be new.
I'm finding that alot of what i thought i already -knew-, was where i wasn't
avaliable to listen.
j2
KMottus
<illu...@mindspring.com> writes:
>You like the "good student" answer?? I'm very good at
>>those.
>>
>
>Actually that's just my response to what you said
>
>There's not alto of potnetential for you to see i "really got it" when it's
>a *good student answer*. So i'm telling you... i really got it
>
>
I was talking about *my* words.
I know you *got* something from what I said. I thought that
what tickled Linda was what I said, along with your response
to it.
One of the reasons I gave the "good student of transformation"
response to what you said, was I thought that those words
might just mean something to you, and I guessed right.
je...@my-deja.com
"Larry Person" <La...@LarryPerson.com> wrote:
>
> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pm1mi$ee7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
in
> >say, about three weeks time eh? This is a current issue in our house
at
> >the moment too, so I'd be interested.
>
house
> more, eh Jen?
Well - its a thought:-) But maybe they would just be doing more forum
instead of more helping.
On the other hand if they were at forum all weekend, the house wouldn't
be getting as messy eh?
Method in your madness Larry? :-)
Jen.
P.S. They're great at the moment - but knowing kids.... well....I
could kind of use it as an incentive I guess like - "you kids better
be careful, if you don't do your chores you'll have to do....FORUM".
That should keep them motivated:-)
J.
P.P.S. Are you in Ireland at the moment? Is it nice?
J.
Larry Person
Jim Foster wrote in message <7pm666$4ks$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>You're saying how grads talk and don't take action,
>but what's going on here?
We're just talking. Shooting the breeze. Social grease.
We're not saying what we're gonna do, and then not do it and not be
accountable for not having done it. We're not making promises and
commitments.
Larry Person
je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pmcaf$kt1$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>P.P.S. Are you in Ireland at the moment? Is it nice?
Oh no. That got cancelled. Thank god.
Orroro/Fitz
-pam
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<7pl7v2$e77$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pjprb$rja$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >In article <7pjjom$k9t$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh YEAH!!! I get it!!!! The _FAMILY_ will be working on it;-) Right!!
> >Gotcha!! Yep, thats pretty cool allright:-)
>
> Yes, my brother takes out the trash and mows the lawns. Sister's
> responsibility is the living room... i do the kitchen and littlest one
does
> the bathrooms. Just for now, for it getting to clean. Then everyone is
> responsible for everything.
> >
> >Well, don't mention it Jim. It was my absolute pleasure:-) You sure are
> >a polite young man.
> >
> >Best regards
> >enjoy your weekend
>
>
> You have no idea ;)
>
> j2
>
>
>
Orroro/Fitz
~integrity~ issue regarding the *cleaning* of anything. And that is why I
asked the age of the "littlest one" mostly because the bathroom is actually
the most difficult to clean in the entire home. Depending on the age, they
should only be doing the vacuuming or similar...the bathroom can be very
toxic to clean <chemicals that *have* to be used> ... sounds like some
people got to pick and choose what they *wanted* to do and left the
"garbage" cleaning to those not as ~empowered~ to speak.
-pam
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<7pm6pk$o2r$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
> Grodie
>
> Larry Person wrote in message
<6yvv3.3697$9K....@news.rdc1.nj.home.com>...
> >
> >Jim Foster wrote in message <7pl7v2$e77$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
> >>littlest one does
> >>the bathrooms.
> >
> >
Orroro/Fitz
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
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enforced.
Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
<7pm6uj$v8s$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pm1mi$ee7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >In article <7pl7v2$e77$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>,
>
> >Let us know how the cleaning ~agreement~ works out in your house - in
> >say, about three weeks time eh? This is a current issue in our house at
> >the moment too, so I'd be interested.
> >
>
> Well... i'm tellin you i'm committed right now; in 3 weeks i'll give you
an
> update.
I'm sorry to hear you are committed. What facility did you end up in and
are you working on the issues? Are they feeding you nicely? -pam
Larry Person
Jim, do you know that cleaning bathrooms COMPLETELY -- including the
complete absense of pubic hair -- was once a part of two WE&A courses? And
that the bathrooms were inspected each and every day during the course, and
that the inspection included pubic hair status?
Do you also know that when forum leaders get out of line (at least this was
the case in the past) that they get assigned to clean the bathrooms in
headquarters?
Jim Foster wrote in message <7pm6pk$o2r$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>...
Larry Person
and kitchen.
Orroro/Fitz wrote in message <01beebb4$5180f8c0$e962490c@default>...
patrick
kmo...@aol.comspamtrap (KMottus) wrote:
> In article <7pl7ns$jeo$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jim Foster"
> <illu...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> >You like the "good student" answer?? I'm very good at
> >>those.
> >>
> >
> >Actually that's just my response to what you said
> >
> >There's not alto of potnetential for you to see i "really got it"
when it's
> >a *good student answer*. So i'm telling you... i really got it
> >
> >
>
> I was talking about *my* words.
>
> I know you *got* something from what I said. I thought that
> what tickled Linda was what I said, along with your response
> to it.
>
> One of the reasons I gave the "good student of transformation"
> response to what you said, was I thought that those words
> might just mean something to you, and I guessed right.
>
> K.
geesh, i got it too :)
>
> *********************************************************
> Access to power must be confined to those who are
> not in love with it.
> -Plato
>
> kmo...@aol.com
>
--
Dont let anyone tell u, what u must do
INXS
Larry Person
patrick <1pat...@austin.quik.com> wrote in message
<7pn01j$1qq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> geesh, i got it too :)
They're not talking about syphilis, Patrick.
Jim Foster
KMottus wrote in message <19990821092151...@ngol02.aol.com>...
and I guessed right.
>
>K.
>
Oh, absolutely
i'm all under that pretense that there's no problem i'm not giving the good
student answers. I'm not, but i'm pretending like it didn't mean anything to
me that you said it.
j2
Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message ...
>
>We're just talking. Shooting the breeze. Social grease.
>
>We're not saying what we're gonna do, and then not do it and not be
>accountable for not having done it. We're not making promises and
>commitments.
>
yeah, i hear that (=
I'm making that commitment tho, to have my house clean and doing it.
j2
Jim Foster
Orroro/Fitz wrote in message <01beebb4$5180f8c0$e962490c@default>...
>It is not "grodie" in the context that Larry speaks of. There is an
>~integrity~ issue regarding the *cleaning* of anything. And that is why I
>asked the age of the "littlest one" mostly because the bathroom is actually
>the most difficult to clean in the entire home. Depending on the age, they
>should only be doing the vacuuming or similar...the bathroom can be very
>toxic to clean <chemicals that *have* to be used> ... sounds like some
>people got to pick and choose what they *wanted* to do and left the
>"garbage" cleaning to those not as ~empowered~ to speak.
>
>-pam
It --is-- grodie to me ;)
and the little one wants to clean up the house and agreed to do the
bathroom. He wasn't forced into it. Two bathrooms are small and take less
time than the other parts of the house, so he choose those over something
that'd take more time.
j2
who knows... he might end up wanting to switch out.
Jim Foster
Larry Person wrote in message ...
>Grodie?
>
>Jim, do you know that cleaning bathrooms COMPLETELY -- including the
>complete absense of pubic hair -- was once a part of two WE&A courses? And
>that the bathrooms were inspected each and every day during the course, and
>that the inspection included pubic hair status?
>
>Do you also know that when forum leaders get out of line (at least this was
>the case in the past) that they get assigned to clean the bathrooms in
>headquarters?
>
>
nope, i didn't know that.
I'm not asserting there's anything wrong with grodie. I'd be willing to
clean up grodie with no hesitation. But what's grodie is still grodie.
j2
Jim Foster
Orroro/Fitz wrote in message <01beebb3$df3f6620$e962490c@default>...
>I have a "small" issue here...just how *old* is the "littlest one"?
>
>-pam
>--
>Poster is a resident of Washington State.
>Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
>enforced.
>
>Jim Foster <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
><7pl7v2$e77$1...@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>
>> je...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7pjprb$rja$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>> >In article <7pjjom$k9t$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>,
>> > "Jim Foster" <illu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Oh YEAH!!! I get it!!!! The _FAMILY_ will be working on it;-) Right!!
>> >Gotcha!! Yep, thats pretty cool allright:-)
>>
>> Yes, my brother takes out the trash and mows the lawns. Sister's
>> responsibility is the living room... i do the kitchen and littlest one
>does
Linda
>
> 12
>
> Orroro/Fitz wrote in message <01beebb3$df3f6620$e962490c@default>...
> >I have a "small" issue here...just how *old* is the "littlest one"?
The little one? is 12? kootchie kootchie koo.
Golly gee Jim, where I come from, 12 is old enough to father a baby,
drive a tractor and work.
BTW, Is that your older sister's son?
Pam, I let my 5 year old clean the bathroom, Vinegar and water in a
squirt bottle, with blue food coloring, ( you didn't think we were
going to buy $$Windex$$ did ya?)
and a couple of paper towels...
It's a start. :-)
Linda
KMottus
<illu...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Oh, absolutely
>
>i'm all under that pretense that there's no problem i'm not giving the good
>student answers. I'm not, but i'm pretending like it didn't mean anything to
>me that you said it.
>
>
Jim..... I want you to "listen" to this closely.
My GOOD STUDENT comment had to do with what I said.
NOT WHAT YOU SAID.
I NEVER said YOU were giving GOOD STUDENT answers.
It was MY words that I labeled like that.
K.
Jim Foster
KMottus wrote in message <19990822094442...@ngol02.aol.com>...