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Subject: Re: ~Victimology;~ Ayn or Werner or ElRon?
From: patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org>
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On Sep 24, 7:18=A0pm, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:58=A0pm, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 10:13=A0pm, Tex <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:38:43 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:08:56 PM UTC-7, Tex wrote:
> > > > > That was the "cult" of millionaire donors, Ellen.
> > > > > The cult of Thurston Howell III.
> > > > > Gilligan is part of the 47% he refers to as "victims."
> > > > > Hard working stiffs that don't make enough to pay Federal taxes.
> > > > > Mitt"ens" is in an exclusive cult.
> > > > > Most Mormons need not apply.
> > > > > The cult of plutocrats.
> > > > Most Mormons will vote in lock-step. =A0They do what they are told =
to do, whether or not it is in their best interests. =A0Most Mormons are no=
t wealthy, though they aspire to wealth and are constantly instructed that =
the way to wealth is the Mormon way and wealth, in and of itself, is de fac=
to evidence that one has adhered devoutly and correctly to Mormon "principl=
es" and been "blessed" by God for this fealty.
> > > > It's no big mystery that pyramid schemes (cults) thrive in the U.S.=
-- we've been a petri dish for these things since the beginning of Europea=
n settlement. =A0"Prosperity" cults have taken over a huge portion of the p=
opulace and the Mormon model with the bottom 99% all dutifully tithing with=
out complaint is probably Mitt's model to bring the U.S. into a reflection =
of Mormon "perfection" for himself and his rich friends.
> > > > Most Mormons believe Mitt is the anointed savior of the U.S. Consti=
tution, =A0though they will deny it publicly. It's been referred to as the =
"White Horse Prophecy." =A0I wonder how they will explain the fact to thems=
elves that the U.S. doesn't want Mormon "salvation." =A0Or that a fellow re=
publican, (G.W.Bush), did more to undermine the Constitution than any other=
president in history.
> > > > Here's an interesting article about the reasons why we shouldn't vo=
te for a Mormon or allow a Mormon any authority over the U.S.
> > > >http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/07/exclusive-brigham-y=
> > > > Ellen
> > > Not all Mormon's
> > > Here is a former supporter that was at the Democratic convention, wit=
h other Mormon's, this year, supporting the President.
> > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gregory-a-prince-phd/mitt-romney-is-not.=
> > > When the news of Mitt Romney's Florida video broke on Monday evening,=
I was incensed -- but not for its political implications. His arrogant and=
out-of-hand dismissal of half the population of this country struck me at =
a visceral level, for it sullied the religion that he and I share -- the re=
ligion for which five generations of my ancestry have lived and sacrificed,=
the religion whose official mantra is "to take care of the poor and needy =
throughout the world." My first impulse was to rent an airplane towing a ba=
nner: "Mitt Romney is Not the Face of Mormonism!"
> > > I was a supporter of Romney 1.0. That was in late 2007, when we had f=
ar more in common. We are both Mormons and we both served foreign missions =
for our church at the same time, he in France and I in Brazil. Some of my b=
est friends had been some of his best friends for decades. Although I am a =
registered Democrat, his accomplishments as Governor of Massachusetts appea=
led to me. I contributed the maximum amount to his early presidential prima=
> > > I also became an emissary to him, presenting what I felt was an attra=
ctive proposition. Helen Whitney, who had recently completed a four-hour PB=
S documentary, "The Mormons," was also intrigued with Romney, enough that s=
he asked that I propose to him one hour of national coverage on PBS if he w=
ould allow her to interview him only about his religion.
> > > "It's a good religion," she said to me, "but he is hiding from it. He=
needs to own it."
> > > I delivered the proposal in person. He declined, stating that he and =
his advisors had concluded that the issue of his religion would simply go a=
way. It didn't, but his candidacy did.
> > > Early in 2008, to my dismay, Romney 1.0 became Romney 2.0 by moving f=
ar enough to the right to lose my support. He has kept moving ever farther =
to the right. He has made this move in a successful attempt to gain the nom=
ination, and in an ongoing attempt to persuade no more than 53 percent of t=
he country that he should be the next President.
> > > The issue of Romney's Mormon faith has never gone away, although its =
presence has waxed and waned as other issues have come and gone. How -- or =
if -- he chooses to use his religion as part of his public biography is up =
to him, but the fact that he is the only Mormon ever to be the nominee for =
the Presidency of a major political party makes it inevitable that even if =
people do not judge him because of his religion, they will judge his religi=
on because of him. Given the unfolding news of this week, I regret to say t=
hat Mitt Romney is not the face of Mormonism.
> > > Romney 1.0 was that face. Having been a missionary myself, I know the=
formative power of two years of missionary service. Having served as an as=
sistant to one bishop and four stake presidents -- and Romney served as bis=
hop and stake president -- I know the even greater formative power of those=
offices. I understand completely what his father George meant when he said=
, "I am completely the product of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day =
Saints." That face of Mormonism is the one that calls on some of its member=
s, particularly bishops and stake presidents, to devote as many hours grati=
s to their church jobs as they do to their professional jobs. It is the one=
that summons up extraordinary acts of love, compassion and generosity, oft=
en in response to the deepest tragedies of life -- and death.
> > > But it is not the one that dismisses out-of-hand half the population =
of the United States by saying, "My job is not to worry about those people.=
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care=
for their lives." As a bishop and stake president, Romney worried about th=
ose very people. Indeed, he worried far more about them, and spent far more=
time and means in assisting them, than the others in his flock who were mo=
> > > The very basis of Mormon community, stretching back to the earliest y=
ears of Mormonism nearly two centuries ago, is that the more able have a sa=
cred obligation to assist the less able. That sense of physical community w=
as institutionalized in the Church's Welfare Program, which sprang out of t=
he Great Depression as an exemplary and effective means of combining church=
and government assistance not only to give to those in need, but also to h=
elp them to help themselves. Any who have visited Welfare Square in Salt La=
ke City, as did the producers of a recent "Rock Center" documentary on MSNB=
C, cannot help but be impressed with what we have attempted, for over seven=
decades, to accomplish through what is now an international network of chu=
rch facilities and volunteers.
> > > Judge Mitt Romney as you will, and vote for or against him as you wil=
l; but do not judge Mormonism on the basis of the Mitt Romney that was unve=
iled to the public this week. He is not the face of Mormonism.
> > he may be a mormon but he sounds remarkably like a right wing
> > christian. is mormonism following the path of american christianity ?
> > and what is he the face of ?
> my brain is waiting for answers.
> then i can
> analyze analyze analyze.