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From: patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Sep 12 2012 10:08 am
Subject: Re: "MY (SCARY, DESTRUCTIVE) BRUSH WITH SCIENTOLOGY LIGHT"
On Sunday, September 2, 2012 11:50:29 PM UTC-5, Caligari wrote:
theres a movie coming up and it all about your cultie daddy elrod.
> From: http://www.xojane.com/newagey/landmark-forum-cult > MY (SCARY, DESTRUCTIVE) BRUSH WITH SCIENTOLOGY LIGHT
> So. Is it a cult? Technically, no. But, if it walks like cult, talks
> like a cult, and preys on people like a cult, it just might be
> Landmark.
> Everyone told me not to go.
> "It's a cult, Sarah. Don't get sucked in!"
> “The Landmark Forum? It’s like 'Scientology Light.' Run the opposite
> direction!”
> I'd just begun a trial separation from my husband. I was heartbroken,
> confused and vulnerable. That’s when my good friend, Ed, a
> fantastically positive, well-put-together human being, told me
> emphatically that The Landmark Forum had changed his life and invited
> me to a free seminar.
> Eager, I went online to check it out, and began to worry.
> On the net, opinions and experiences ran the gamut. There were
> warnings against Landmark, video testimonials about how-Landmark-saved-
> my-life, letters of both support and condemnation from psychologists,
> priests and university scholars.
> I had other friends who all but begged me not to go, citing it as
> destructive and dangerous. Now, I was intrigued. Such a range of
> reactions and emotions! I had to find out for myself.
> Still, something didn’t feel right. On the day of the free seminar, I
> had a sinking feeling deep in my gut. Don’t go. But I'd told Ed I
> would see him there and felt bad bowing out. I explained my conflicted
> feelings to another friend who advised me to “Go, just don’t part with
> any money.”
> Huh. Why would I part with any money?
> I left late (subconsciously on purpose? Hoping it would be half over
> when I arrived?) and drove with trepidation to the location, a crappy
> hotel by the airport.
> There, I was greeted by what seemed like an endless supply of grinning
> volunteers. Each name-tagged little helper gushed how happy they were
> to see me. After tacking a nametag across my chest, they ushered me
> into a dank, depressing ballroom. Heavy draperies kept out the light
> of a gorgeous California day.
> On stage, people stood in line to give witness to how Landmark changed
> their lives. I thought it would be over -- I was almost an hour late
> -- but it was nowhere near over, and would go on another two hours.
> Somehow, despite my skepticism, halfway through I ended up sobbing my
> marital sadness to the two Landmark women with whom I was put into a
> small group. And by the end of the afternoon, I had written a check
> for $300 (merely a deposit) and registered for the course.
> I know.
> By the time I got back on the highway, I regretted it. What the hell
> was that? I asked myself aloud. I called to get a refund.
> At first, the Landmark rep on the phone acted as if a refund was no
> problem. Great, I thought. That was easy. But when she smoothly
> launched into a series of circular questions, I didn’t have a chance.
> “Mmm, this refund, let’s talk about this. Why do you feel this way?
> What could you be resisting in your life? What if 'I want my money
> back' is just a story you are telling yourself?”
> Hm. Gosh. Never thought if it that way.
> And she seemed so nice. So caring. I said I’d think about it and hung
> up.
> Every single day for the next month, I was barraged with phone calls
> and messages from Landmark. It was like having a collection agent who
> also needed to buy crack from you. I had been willing to consider
> doing the course, but now I was pissed.
> The phone rang yet again. I saw the Landmark name (I had labeled it on
> my phone as a warning to screen the call) and picked up. This time I
> would give them a piece of my mind!
> Of course, the Landmark rep, “Paul,” wasn’t having any of it.
> “Sarah, can you honestly say you are where you want to be in your
> life?"
> Uh, well.
> “What is really going on here? What are you resisting?”
> Apparently, “resisting,” as they labeled my decision to get my money
> back, was proof of how much I needed their help. You know, the help I
> needed to stop resisting THEM. Get it?
> “I just want a refund,” I stumbled, somehow getting roped back into
> another big ass, circular conversation. They’re really good at that.
> After almost 20 minutes on the phone it was clear I wasn't getting my
> deposit back. Paul “reframed” it for me: essentially I could lose the
> $300 or pony up the additional $200 and just see what the fuss was all
> about.
> Even then, as I was agreeing to pay the balance, I could feel my heart
> pounding, stuffing down a little voice that said, This isn’t right.
> Don’t go.
> “All righty!” Paul interrupted my inner monologue. "So the total on
> your Visa will be…” he slowed down. “Oooh, Sarah,” I could hear him
> inhale through his teeth, “It looks like since you registered last
> summer, but didn’t complete the forum, we can’t honor your deposit.”
> What?
> “And, it looks like the price of the course has gone up since you
> registered.”
> "Seriously?" I balked.
> “I hear you, Sarah, but I want you to be open to the possibilities
> that lay ahead for you.”
> I didn’t feel open to new possibilities. I felt taken advantage of,
> swindled, even a little bullied. But bullied in a really nice way.
> As the seminar weekend approached, the feeling in the pit of my
> stomach returned. But I had spent the money. I was going. The schedule
> was as follows: Friday 10am-Midnight, Saturday 10am-Midnight, Sunday
> 10am-Midnight.
> The leader, a stern, non-nonsense woman I’ll call Chris, explained the
> contract we must all agree to: no use of alcohol, drugs. No problem.
> I agree.
> They went on to reject the use of coffee, caffeine, painkillers like
> Advil, and snacks. Coffee? Snacks? Tylenol?
> Also, there would be very limited breaks. As in one meal break for the
> 13-hour day. I didn’t think this was a big deal until I’d been sitting
> for four hours in a hot room in a stiff row of people in a very
> uncomfortable chair. One person got up after about an hour, presumably
> for the bathroom, and Chris made quick work of explaining all the
> reasons this was not okay. The tone was set: You followed the
> schedule; you did not veer from the group.
> Later, after spotting a few travel mugs of coffee in the audience and
> more unofficial bathroom breaks, Chris exploded.
> “You can’t control yourselves? Geez, you’re like babies here whining
> about going to the bathroom and having your snacks.” She mocked us in
> a high-pitched voice. Then, she got very serious.
> “You get up and take a break? Don’t blame me if come Sunday everyone
> else 'gets it' and you don’t. I can’t guarantee the transformation
> that will happen Sunday at 5pm unless you are here and present every
> second.”
> Within the first hour of the seminar we were pressured to take the
> $800 “advanced course.” To push us along, the drones in the back of
> the room came up and gave testimonials like “I was like you once!
> Skeptical, unsure.”
> I look around the room. Does anyone else see what’s going on here? A
> few do -- we make eye contact and quickly look away before the drones
> can see us connecting and possibly staging a rebellion.
> Nametags: They were very strict about them. I mean hardcore. You had
> to have your nametag on and in view at all times. They were collected
> anytime you left the room. Presumably to keep tabs on who had returned
> (or were late returning) and who had not. It was weird.
> Also within the first few hours, we were “challenged” to “powerfully
> enroll our friends and family in the possibilities Landmark is giving
> you!” This would mean using the few and far between breaks we did have
> to call our friends and “get complete” with them. Then we were
> supposed to bring them Sunday night to our own “completion” where they
> could hear about our transformative weekend (and pay their own $300
> deposit).
> One woman raised her hand.
> She was handed a microphone, and was thus allowed to speak. “I’m
> sorry,” she started, her voice wobbling in preliminary apology, “but
> do we have to tell them about Landmark? All of this feels like a big
> commercial for Landmark.”
> By the time Chris was done with her, this young woman had shrunk about
> two inches and said, “I guess I wasn’t seeing the possibilities,” she
> smiled hopefully, “Thank you.”
> Cheers and applause broke out. “Yes! Look at that, people! She just
> grew tenfold!”
> But, not everyone was buying it. A man raised his hand. I'd noticed
> this man before because it seemed whenever I was sighing or looking
> askance he was doing the same thing.
> In a very reasonable, professional manner, he raised his hand and
> said, “Excuse me. I’ve been here for a little over three hours now.
> And the only thing I’ve heard is how I should sign up and pay for more
> Landmark classes.”
> A small wave of nods rippled across the room.
> In a roller coaster two minutes, Chris lauded the man for his honesty,
> encouraging others who felt this way to show themselves. Then she went
> in for the kill, spinning it around so anyone who questioned the
> program or its tactics was “resisting.”
> The second day, the man expressed the same feeling. This time, the mic
> was ripped out of his hand, campaign manager style, “We are not
> discussing that right now!” Chris snapped
> On the third day he was “asked” to leave.
> All of those things were freaky, but none truly scared me until we go
> to this rule:
> NO WRITING.
> This was when the little hairs on the back of my neck came to
> attention. Writing, whether it’s journaling, taking notes, even just
> having a pen in my hand, is how I process the world.
> When I expressed my concern over this, I was used as an example of
> someone who is clearly resisting the work by choosing not to follow
> the rules. Others around me, who only moments before had echoed my
> feelings, now clammed up. They wouldn’t even meet my gaze.
> So, after we’d all been given our East German Stasi cards -- oops, I
> mean our nametags -- we were reminded that if someone is doing
> something they’re not supposed to (taking notes, taking unofficial
> breaks), you say something. Hold them accountable.
> Yes, we were asked to police our neighbors.
> About15 minutes after this “reminder,” the woman next to me tapped me
> hard on my arm. “Yes?” I looked up, assuming she wanted to borrow
> something or ask for a piece of gum.
> “No writing!” she said, and waved her finger back and forth in my
> face.
> I almost stabbed her with my Bic Roller Gel.
> I nearly walked out so many times, usually during the abusive
> interactions between the leader and whatever emotionally wracked
> person onstage. These were serious emotional breakdowns being handled
> in five-minute increments by this Landmark leader. Not a well-trained,
> experienced therapist in a safe environment but an arrogant, would-be
> dictator who egged on these breakdowns, gave them a quickie “tool” to
> get over their childhood trauma, and moved right along to the next
> person.
> There were first-time revelations of childhood molestations, my-father-
> murdered-my-mother divulgements, I-think-I’m-gay moments. The words
> that best sum up Landmark’s catch-and-release handling of these
> fragile situations are dangerous and irresponsible.
> I’ve done self-help work. I’m an actor, for Christ’s sake!
> Introspection and being alone on stage is what we do! So I asked
> questions in response to “the work” and was struck down, humiliated
> and branded “uncoachable.”
> Chris mocked me, "Oh, you have questions? You’re questioning me? How
> long have you been leading the Forum? Do you think I know a thing or
> two more than you about it?” I could literally hear cackles from
> various part of the audience. It was fucking Animal Farm in there.
> It went on like this as I watched others get worked over. It was
> abusive, demeaning. Yet, people kept coming back for more!
> The only reasonable explanation is Stockholm Syndrome. You are trapped
> like sardines in rows with random people, after hours without food or
> daylight, put into a high-pressure emotional situation, and told the
> only way out of the emotional basket-case-ness that they have
> instigated, is for you to pay for and take more of their seminars.
> (And to “powerfully enroll others to do the same.”)
> Looking back, I can’t believe I stayed as long as I did. I suspect
> some people stay out of curiosity, a wanting-to-get-your-moneys worth
> feeling.
> I might have stayed even longer but then I heard this: Everything in
> your life is your fault, including your rape.
> They were SUCH assholes to me onstage after I'd bared my soul, and
> talked about everything from being raped to my husband never wanting
> to have sex with me. The upshot was essentially, Guess what, bitch?
> It's all your fault!
> Streams of people came up to me after I got up to do "the
> work" (translation: get emotionally eviscerated/abused in public).
> "The way she talked to you up there made me sick."
> "After witnessing that, I don't think I can come back for another
> day."
> "That was unconscionable."
> Yet, they all stayed. Why? Like a crowd around a wagon back medicine
> show, they were desperate to see this "transformation" they had been
> promised (over and over again) all weekend. ("Don't leave! You are
> this close to "getting" it.)
> That was Saturday night. I could have just gone home and not returned
> for the third day, but something in me woke up. That pit in my
> stomach? It was on fire. And it wasn’t going to go quietly. I had to
> make a statement.
> As homework the night of Day 2, we were supposed to write a letter to
> someone we’ve “been inauthentic with.”
> I went home and wrote out three pages on a legal pad. I returned
> bright and early Sunday morning, on time and sitting in my seat (lest
> I be scolded) like all the other good little sheep.
> When it was my turn, I went up to the microphone and began to read:
> “Dear, Sarah -- I realize now I have been inauthentic with you." I
> could feel sympathetic nods up and down from the crowd. I continued.
> “When I first heard about Landmark Forum, I had this terrible feeling
> in the pit of my stomach. An instinct. A sense of dread. I ignored my
> inner voice. I let myself look past all the unethical business
> practices, the high-pressure sales tactics, the abusive, emotional
> manipulation --"
> “-- Turn off her mic! Turn off her mic!” Chris shouted, her arms
> raised arms up and down like a stiff Henny Penny, and the drones
> scurried do her bidding.
> A Mack truck couldn’t stop me. I didn’t need a microphone, just my own
> authentic voice. The drones went berserk, buzzing around in the back,
> bumping into each other over the sound equipment. Someone finally just
> ripped the cord out of the wall.
> Chris raced toward me. She tried to shuffle me offstage -- physically.
> I calmly (maybe too calmly) told her not to touch me. The audience
> gasped. Gasped! As if I had done something to HER! Wow, they were
> goners.
> I went on with my letter.
> She interrupted, shouting, “What do you want? Do you want a refund?”
> I said, "Hell, yes!" and then got the hell off stage.
> Three people booed me. Yes, BOOED ME. Another three came to the back
> of the room to shake my hand, clap me on the back, and tell me that I
> had just articulated everything they were thinking. Soon enough,
> though, the drones broke up the conversation.
> “I have to ask you to stop this conversation because you are just
> creating another 'racket,'" which is Landmark-speak for “a persistent
> complaint with someone or something that leads you into a habitual way
> of being, thinking, feeling, or acting.”
> “See?” I said to the three would-be-defectors. You take issue with
> something Landmarkian? You are labeled as having a “racket,”
> “resisting,” or -- my personal favorite -- being “uncoachable.”
> So. Is it a cult? Technically, no. But, if it walks like cult, talks
> like a cult, and preys on people like a cult, it just might be
> Landmark. If this is what people call “Scientology light,” I’d hate
> the get anywhere near the real thing.
> I have since discovered that a couple of my friends have actually done
> the basic Landmark Forum. I still don’t understand quite how they
> couldn’t see through all the mindfucking-disguised-as-enlightenment,
> deceptive business practices, Stockholm Syndrome-y seminars or the
> constant, hard-sells to get more involved.
> That said, if they got something positive out of it, I am truly glad
> for them. (And a little in awe.)
> One of them asked me, hopefully, “But, Sarah, you must have learned
> something from it?”
> I thought for a moment. “Yes,” I said. “I learned that I should trust
> my instincts.” Like the time my gut told me, "Sarah, run fast. It’s
> totally a cult.”
> <<<<<<<<<<
member him. are u gonna see it cali ? i am.
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