Re: Lars kicks Landmark butt
Eldon
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> > Same applies to its sister cult, Avatar.
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> >http://youtube.com/watch?v=IkMmwcu7wjU
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> > That's Part One of Four I think. See the sidebar thing for the rest.
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> Did you let Gordon Know of this?
No, I thought someone has posted the link on a.f.l. Sorry.
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> Is there back-ups of this if YouTube yanks it?
They have no copyright infringement excuse, since it's his own video.
>
> Are you not posting at the landmark group to buy sometime for backups to
> happen to occur?
>
> Remember Gordon or someone was talking about torrents of this kind of
> footage? Has anyone started that for the Landmark stuff?
Yes, that was the French show he seeded. If by any chance YouTube
yanks it, Mark Bunker is now using Vimeo for XenuTV. YouTube caved in
to Scientology because he was (technically) infringing the copyright
of some news show at one point.
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> What about archive .org?
Eldon
available on BitTorrent as a DivX file if you want to download it.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4200358/Landmark_Education_-_Lars_Bergwik
So Art, if I were you I don't think I would try to get it removed from
YouTube. Remember what a mess you made of things when you tried that
with the French news show? ;-)
Nisse...@gmail.com
even if youtube takes me down.
Thanks everbody
Lars
On 23 Maj, 11:16, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> I understand that the entire collection of Lars' videos is now
> available on BitTorrent as a DivX file if you want to download it.http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4200358/Landmark_Education_-_Lars_Bergwik
> > > What about archive .org?- Dölj citerad text -
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Tex
On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just called the
ILP?
If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer share"
about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
Once they told me to "make stuff up" to "touch, move and inspire" I always
questioned such shares, such as Werner's experience of samadhi while
crossing the Golden Gate Bridge.
It is a better "story" to have that experience crossing an awe inspriring
vista such as the Golden Gate, as opposed to having while taking a crap.
I once experienced samadhi while at a bowling alley. Had 7 strikes in a row,
an I was never much of a ten pin bowler.
I felt at one with the bowling alley. Never felt so close to people with
toothless smiles before that time. ;-)
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computeruser
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> will Youtube take you down?
> On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just called
> the ILP?
> If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer share"
> about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
I have thought this happened after the Mind Dynamics training. I think
Werner and Randy first met when Randy was in one of Werner's Mind Dynamics
sessions .(1971 early)
Maybe Randy also did some Silva.
Tex
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>> will Youtube take you down?
>> On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just called
>> the ILP?
>> If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer share"
>> about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
>
> I have thought this happened after the Mind Dynamics training. I think
> Werner and Randy first met when Randy was in one of Werner's Mind Dynamics
> sessions .(1971 early)
His claim was that only when he "resisted" the pain that he felt it. I'm
sure everyone has experienced this at one time or another. But after getting
"coached" on how to construct "killer shares," and knowing that Randy is the
"head coach," one has to wonder about the anatomy of that particular share.
If they were consistent about "telling it like it is" instead of
constructing killer shares out of a combination of their own experiences or
even the experiences of others I would be less skeptical.
It's all about the "integrity" of course, unless it's about the next "sale."
That's when integrity take a back seat with Miss Daisy. ;-)
Eldon
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> >> will Youtube take you down?
> >> On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just called
> >> the ILP?
> >> If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer share"
> >> about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
I don't know the story, but maybe it was just a little cut? In that
case, they might have stitched it up with no anesthesia.
>
> > I have thought this happened after the Mind Dynamics training. I think
> > Werner and Randy first met when Randy was in one of Werner's Mind Dynamics
> > sessions .(1971 early)
>
> His claim was that only when he "resisted" the pain that he felt it. I'm
> sure everyone has experienced this at one time or another. But after getting
> "coached" on how to construct "killer shares," and knowing that Randy is the
> "head coach," one has to wonder about the anatomy of that particular share.
> If they were consistent about "telling it like it is" instead of
> constructing killer shares out of a combination of their own experiences or
> even the experiences of others I would be less skeptical.
>
> It's all about the "integrity" of course, unless it's about the next "sale."
> That's when integrity take a back seat with Miss Daisy. ;-)
>
>
>
> > Maybe Randy also did some Silva.
>
> >> Once they told me to "make stuff up" to "touch, move and inspire" I
> >> always questioned such shares, such as Werner's experience of samadhi
> >> while crossing the Golden Gate Bridge.
> >> It is a better "story" to have that experience crossing an awe inspriring
> >> vista such as the Golden Gate, as opposed to having while taking a crap.
>
> >> I once experienced samadhi while at a bowling alley. Had 7 strikes in a
> >> row, an I was never much of a ten pin bowler.
> >> I felt at one with the bowling alley. Never felt so close to people with
> >> toothless smiles before that time. ;-)
>
> >> <NisseBe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Tex
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On May 24, 7:54 pm, "Tex" <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> will Youtube take you down?
> >> On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just called
> >> the ILP?
> >> If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer share"
> >> about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
>I don't know the story, but maybe it was just a little cut? In that
>case, they might have stitched it up with no anesthesia.
I don't recall all the details but the gist of it was that when he resisted
the pain it was the most excruciating he ever experienced.
But much like Werner's epiphany on the Golden Gate Bridge, I wonder how much
of the story was pieced together to create a dramatic effect.
computeruser
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> On May 24, 7:54 pm, "Tex" <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote in message
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>> news:a51a8$48382f59$d0662a4c$24...@FUSE.NET...
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>> > "Tex" <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:14-dncdb0vECuqXV...@comcast.com...
>> >> will Youtube take you down?
>> >> On a different note, did you do the IFLP or maybe now it is just
>> >> called
>> >> the ILP?
>> >> If so, would you then possibly question Rnady McNamara's "killer
>> >> share"
>> >> about the surgery without anethesia on his "sabre dual" scar?
>
>>I don't know the story, but maybe it was just a little cut?
It is not a little cut! He was purportedly struck in the face with the
propeller of an airplane, while the engine was running.
It was a very large scar. From the forehead down to the jaw. Missed the
nose. How that eye wasn't lost I'm not sure.
>>In that
>>case, they might have stitched it up with no anesthesia.
It was closer to major reconstructive surgery he claimed to have had with no
anesthesia. Something about being present to and noticing the sensations,
not resisting the pain.
Now that I think about it wouldn't have something like this made it into a
medical journal?
Nisse...@gmail.com
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In very dramatic circumstances you can do miraculous things. That does
not make it into something useful for everybody. Randy just creates a
big fuss around his accident to lure people into his web of deception
and lies. People start to trust him. So the story is really nothing
but a bait - you feel sorry for him and the drama of it all makes
people listen closely while he is using his mindcontrol methods - so
while it seems to be about being present to pain it is just a
carefully scripted power share.
Then if some people can apply this in their life that is fine. But to
be really present at all times is very hard. To be present in the
moment takes a lot of training. After the lm forum I thought I was
being present but I was on a high. That is not being present - my mind
was booming with the voice of Angelo D'Amelio. I could hear nothing
else. I had become a follower of the cult . my god was Angelo. I still
have a hard time being angry with him even though I know he has been
there since the beginning of est and has ruined many peoples lives.
But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly
impossible...Angelo wanted out but was brought back in the fold. I can
understand he is tired....he thought they were transforming the world
and it just does not happen. He has been doing the same thing since
1973 and is probably utterly tired of it....a lot of travel is not fun
after a while
Tex
>In very dramatic circumstances you can do miraculous things. That does
>not make it into something useful for everybody. Randy just creates a
>big fuss around his accident to lure people into his web of deception
>and lies. People start to trust him. So the story is really nothing
>but a bait - you feel sorry for him and the drama of it all makes
>people listen closely while he is using his mindcontrol methods - so
>while it seems to be about being present to pain it is just a
>carefully scripted power share.
>Then if some people can apply this in their life that is fine. But to
>be really present at all times is very hard. To be present in the
>moment takes a lot of training. After the lm forum I thought I was
>being present but I was on a high. That is not being present - my mind
>was booming with the voice of Angelo D'Amelio. I could hear nothing
>else. I had become a follower of the cult . my god was Angelo. I still
>have a hard time being angry with him even though I know he has been
>there since the beginning of est and has ruined many peoples lives.
>But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
>landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly impossible...
Come on Lars, here is where you lose credibility with me.
If it is in fact quite easy to get out. It is nearly impossible to get in,
as in becoming a Trainer or Forum Leader.
You yourself must know how hard it is to make the "Stats" necessary to climb
up the ladder.
Most of us realized it early on and got disillusioned by the enrollment
scam, after seeing the inner workings of the organization.
I and a couple of others in my GSLP were kicked out for being late twice,
usually by only a minute or two. Try getting from work to Boston's Back Bay
area during rush hour.
The fact is it is nearly impossible to get "in," but not hard at all to get
out.
I was welcomed to participate in any programs after getting kicked out of
the GSLP, including taking the next GSLP. I was even considered a "star," as
I was almost qualified to lead guest seminars. What I saw turned me off
though. IT would have been nearly impossible for me to have continued. Most
I know who were involved with est or Landmark participated for a couple of
years. Most of them never enrolled anyone or even invited guests. They just
went to the seminars. The seminars weren't appealing to me. The GSLP was
more hands on, exciting, for a while at least. It only took me a couple of
months to realize I didn't want to be part of "Werner's game" anymore.
But impossible to "get out?"
Your "out."
I'm out.
Enric is out.
Patrick was really never in.
Do we all have super-human powers, or are you exaggerating just a bit? ;-)
Other than that, carry on! :-D
>Angelo wanted out but was brought back in the fold. I can
>understand he is tired....he thought they were transforming the world
>and it just does not happen. He has been doing the same thing since
>1973 and is probably utterly tired of it....a lot of travel is not fun
>after a while
Most everyone I know who met Angelo had wonderful things to say about him.
And as you well know, that isn't true for many of the est/Forum Leaders.
Some of them can be real jerks.
tubby Tanner
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What are his mind control methods?????Lars
Then if some people can apply this in their life that is fine. But to
be really present at all times is very hard. To be present in the
moment takes a lot of training. After the lm forum I thought I was
being present but I was on a high. That is not being present - my mind
was booming with the voice of Angelo D'Amelio. I could hear nothing
else. I had become a follower of the cult . my god was Angelo. I still
have a hard time being angry with him even though I know he has been
there since the beginning of est and has ruined many peoples lives.
Do you really think that??? Why should you be angry with him???
I found Angelo entertainin and fun and saw him work on several
occasions.
What made you think he was a God??????
How did he ruin peoples lives?????
Curious
But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly
impossible...Angelo wanted out but was brought back in the fold. I can
understand he is tired....he thought they were transforming the world
and it just does not happen.
Maybe its much harder to do then what they think. It can happen when all
of us take more responsiblity to do so.
An Australian Forum Leader a Dr. ( Can't think of his name) gave up being
a surgeon to become a Forum Leader. He called it quits last year. His
mother
was the person responsible for bringing Landmark to Australia
He has been doing the same thing since
1973 and is probably utterly tired of it....a lot of travel is not fun
after a while
I think he must be still enjoying it. I do recall a few years ago that
he was going to retire.
Bit hard to call it quits???
Whats he going to do with his spare time???? after all that travelling.
Cheers bruno
Eldon
> <giant snip>
>
>
>
> >In very dramatic circumstances you can do miraculous things. That does
> >not make it into something useful for everybody. Randy just creates a
> >big fuss around his accident to lure people into his web of deception
> >and lies. People start to trust him. So the story is really nothing
> >but a bait - you feel sorry for him and the drama of it all makes
> >people listen closely while he is using his mindcontrol methods - so
> >while it seems to be about being present to pain it is just a
> >carefully scripted power share.
> >Then if some people can apply this in their life that is fine. But to
> >be really present at all times is very hard. To be present in the
> >moment takes a lot of training. After the lm forum I thought I was
> >being present but I was on a high. That is not being present - my mind
> >was booming with the voice of Angelo D'Amelio. I could hear nothing
> >else. I had become a follower of the cult . my god was Angelo. I still
> >have a hard time being angry with him even though I know he has been
> >there since the beginning of est and has ruined many peoples lives.
> >But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
> >landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly impossible...
>
> Come on Lars, here is where you lose credibility with me.
Now, "Tex," why do you think Lars was ever trying to gain credibility
with you in the first place? Why would he give a shit? You're just a
nameless, anonymous troll after all. ;-)
> If it is in fact quite easy to get out. It is nearly impossible to get in,
> as in becoming a Trainer or Forum Leader.
> You yourself must know how hard it is to make the "Stats" necessary to climb
> up the ladder.
Yeah, you have to really become culted bigtime to make a living by
working for Landmark. Otherwise, you'll be strung along as a
"volunteer" at a for-profit company, hoping to work your way up the
MLM pyramid.
So how come normal companies manage to pay their workers, provide
benefits and pay taxes, and all that?
And how come Landmark treats its adherents like Scientology staff
members? Or, to put it another way, like hypnotized slaves.
> Most of us realized it early on and got disillusioned by the enrollment
> scam, after seeing the inner workings of the organization.
> I and a couple of others in my GSLP were kicked out for being late twice,
> usually by only a minute or two. Try getting from work to Boston's Back Bay
> area during rush hour.
> The fact is it is nearly impossible to get "in," but not hard at all to get
> out.
>
> I was welcomed to participate in any programs after getting kicked out of
> the GSLP, including taking the next GSLP. I was even considered a "star," as
> I was almost qualified to lead guest seminars. What I saw turned me off
> though. IT would have been nearly impossible for me to have continued. Most
> I know who were involved with est or Landmark participated for a couple of
> years. Most of them never enrolled anyone or even invited guests. They just
> went to the seminars. The seminars weren't appealing to me. The GSLP was
> more hands on, exciting, for a while at least. It only took me a cuple of
Tex
> On May 25, 8:22 am, "Tex" <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <giant snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> >In very dramatic circumstances you can do miraculous things. That does
>> >not make it into something useful for everybody. Randy just creates a
>> >big fuss around his accident to lure people into his web of deception
>> >and lies. People start to trust him. So the story is really nothing
>> >but a bait - you feel sorry for him and the drama of it all makes
>> >people listen closely while he is using his mindcontrol methods - so
>> >while it seems to be about being present to pain it is just a
>> >carefully scripted power share.
>> >Then if some people can apply this in their life that is fine. But to
>> >be really present at all times is very hard. To be present in the
>> >moment takes a lot of training. After the lm forum I thought I was
>> >being present but I was on a high. That is not being present - my mind
>> >was booming with the voice of Angelo D'Amelio. I could hear nothing
>> >else. I had become a follower of the cult . my god was Angelo. I still
>> >have a hard time being angry with him even though I know he has been
>> >there since the beginning of est and has ruined many peoples lives.
>> >But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
>> >landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly impossible...
>>
>> Come on Lars, here is where you lose credibility with me.
>
> Now, "Tex," why do you think Lars was ever trying to gain credibility
> with you in the first place? Why would he give a shit? You're just a
> nameless, anonymous troll after all. ;-)
Nevertheless, he loses me there.
I never suggested he should care, and I don't think he is looking for an
"agreement party."
I don't think he is. We have corresponded privately. I found him to be quite
reasonable, rational.
The above sounds like posturing to get even though.
>
>> If it is in fact quite easy to get out. It is nearly impossible to get
>> in,
>> as in becoming a Trainer or Forum Leader.
>> You yourself must know how hard it is to make the "Stats" necessary to
>> climb
>> up the ladder.
>
> Yeah, you have to really become culted bigtime to make a living by working
> for Landmark.
As you were with Avatar, correct?
> Otherwise, you'll be strung along as a
> "volunteer" at a for-profit company, hoping to work your way up the MLM
> pyramid.
Landmark isn't set up like Avatar. There is no pyramid. No cheese at the end
of the maze.
PEople do it to "tranform the world," much as you thought you would with
Harry, while making a tidy profit as an Avatar "Master," of course. ;-)
HAPPYsamuri
>
> I once experienced samadhi while at a bowling alley. Had 7 strikes in a row,
> an I was never much of a ten pin bowler.
> I felt at one with the bowling alley. Never felt so close to people with
> toothless smiles before that time. ;-)
>
perhaps you could somehow copyright the "process" that got you there
Tex
Eldon
As in, "Bowling for Columbine"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/
Or enforced bowling?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1567891/Thalidomide-victim-'ordered-to-go-bowling'.html
Eldon
> "Eldon" <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote in message
Yeah, pretty much correct. For about a year, until I had a
"breakthrough" and make this "killer share" ;-)
http://www.scientology-kills.org/avatar/avatar_wiz.htm
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/eldon.braun/gwiz/
It was published in 1991, and a few hundred printed copies (est.) were
mailed out to Avatar Masters. It was photocopied and shared by a
number of recipients. As a sidenote, one dissatisfied attendee of the
first Wizard course sent me a copy of the materials shortly after the
course, but fortunately I did not do that obsolete and dangerous
version of the Entity Handling Procedure. ;-)
>
> > Otherwise, you'll be strung along as a
> > "volunteer" at a for-profit company, hoping to work your way up the MLM
> > pyramid.
>
> Landmark isn't set up like Avatar. There is no pyramid. No cheese at the end
> of the maze.
> PEople do it to "tranform the world," much as you thought you would with
> Harry, while making a tidy profit as an Avatar "Master," of course. ;-)
I about broke even, but when Star's Edge began stealing prospective
students from me, I stopped paying royalties/commissions just as Hari
did in Elmira during his tussle with Scientology. I felt that was a
sort of multi-level poetic justice for some reason.
Serena Nordstrup
Now, Bruno, you know very well that the doctrine says that one can
~choose~ things like anger.
> I found Angelo entertainin and fun and saw him work on several
> occasions.
Can Lars ~possibly~ have as much ~experience~ of comrade D'Amelio as
your good self, Bruno?
> What made you think he was a God??????
Bruno! Note the ~distinction~: "my god" vs "a God". Never omit to
~distinguish~ ~distinctions~!
> How did he ruin peoples lives?????
> Curious
>
> But he is caught up in the werner web as is everyone else within
> landmark - they cannot get out...getting out is nearly
> impossible...Angelo wanted out but was brought back in the fold. I can
> understand he is tired....he thought they were transforming the world
> and it just does not happen.
>
> Maybe its much harder to do then what they think. It can happen when all
> of us take more responsiblity to do so.
Ah, the magick mantra of taking ~responsibility~....
> An Australian Forum Leader a Dr. ( Can't think of his name) gave up being
> a surgeon to become a Forum Leader. He called it quits last year. His
> mother
> was the person responsible for bringing Landmark to Australia
>
> He has been doing the same thing since
> 1973 and is probably utterly tired of it....a lot of travel is not fun
> after a while
>
> I think he must be still enjoying it.
Why do you "think" so counter-intuitively, Bruno? On what grounds do
you "think" at all?
> I do recall a few years ago that
> he was going to retire.
> Bit hard to call it quits???
> Whats he going to do with his spare time???? after all that travelling.
>
> Cheers bruno
Slipperily
Serena
Serena Nordstrup
Lars and Tex and Enric and Patrick continue to grapple with the sticky
mental porridge Jack Rosenberg flung about. None of them properly got
"out". Do you expect those in higher echelons to dismiss their
rosenbergist nightmares any more easily?
Eldon
up and get the hell out of the cult!
Lars has cost them hundreds of victims and multi thousands of dollars
or kroners or euros or whatever.
He really fucked Landmark in Sweden. They will never try to return.
Nor will the sister cultr Avatar, which is far more toxic.
Tex
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It occurred shortly after the est Training. ;-)
I was also meditating twice a day.
The moment was fleeting.
It is comparable to the "in the zone" experience athletes have when playing
"out of their minds."
Thoughts become impediments.
I missed throwing a strike when I thought, "wow, I just made 7 in a row."
Reality check, I am not and was not a good ten pin bowler. I was a good
candlepin bowler, but it is quite different from ten pin.
But I was in "the zone."
Of course Hap, one can not copyright consciousness. It's a birthright.
And there is no getting there, because it's always here.
We just tend not to notice. Mind noise tends to clouds our percepton.
>
Tex
That's not a share, it's a novel.
What's the take home meesage?
"Killer shares" tend to be pithy. ;-)
HAPPYsamuri
>
>
> Of course Hap, one can not copyright consciousness. It's a birthright.
> And there is no getting there, because it's always here.
> We just tend not to notice. Mind noise tends to clouds our percepton.
>
>
what about the language and jargon of consciousness
would copyrighting that be considered a "racket"
Eldon
I guess Art Schreiber doesn't think so. If you recall, he got that
French video removed from YouTube by claiming it infringed the Forum
Leader manual.