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Eldon

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Nov 8, 2009, 10:39:28 AM11/8/09
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Arnie Lerma things so.
http://tinyurl.com/ylmkc44

Any ex-member will recall having to sign  non disclosure agreements,
secrecy 'bonds' and idemnity clauses, some stating that if you ever
disclose whatever foolishness they were about to get you involved in
you would owe them 100,000... or something like that.

In RTC vs Lerma Scientology's Scientologist lawyer Earle C Cooley
introduced a PILE OF THESE THINGS into RTC vs Lerma, during a
deposition,taking great pains to ask me whether I recalled signing
each and every one of them... later, when Earle Cooley asked Judge
Brinkema about them.. in open court, she dismissed the whole wad with
a with the wave of her right hand as irrelevant...

In all of Scientology's LENGTHY history of litigation, I know of NOT
ONE SINGLE INSTANCE where these non disclosures have stood up, in
other words, they are nothing more than a bluff... a lie, artifice, a
symptom, means, and evidence of the underlying fraud of Scientology.
------
Of course, Hari Palmer's version is simpler than Scientnology's, and
he only makes you promise to pay $10K per disclosure. I don't know
exactly what Landmark makes people sign, saying they won't talk about
what happens during the events.

HAPPYsamurai

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:36:41 AM12/18/09
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On 9 Nov, 04:39, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> Arnie Lerma things so.http://tinyurl.com/ylmkc44

what do they call it when a scieno leaves early and the have to pay
for the courses they never worked off?


in law there is no legally binding contract with a minor

yet who is really an adult of sound mind and will - if they are not
clear of all their thetans?

how can a non clear enter into a legally binding contract ?

how can there be a true meeting of the minds?

if the mind is thetan infested

Eldon

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:05:18 AM12/18/09
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On Dec 18, 11:36 am, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 9 Nov, 04:39, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Arnie Lerma things so.http://tinyurl.com/ylmkc44
>
> > Any ex-member will recall having to sign  non disclosure agreements,
> > secrecy 'bonds' and idemnity clauses, some stating that if you ever
> > disclose whatever foolishness they were about to get you involved in
> > you would owe them 100,000... or something like that.
>
> > In RTC vs Lerma Scientology's Scientologist lawyer Earle C Cooley
> > introduced a PILE OF THESE THINGS into RTC vs Lerma, during a
> > deposition,taking great pains to ask me whether I recalled signing
> > each and every one of them... later, when Earle Cooley asked Judge
> > Brinkema about them.. in open court, she dismissed the whole wad with
> > a with the wave of her right hand as irrelevant...
>
> > In all of Scientology's LENGTHY history of litigation, I know of NOT
> > ONE SINGLE INSTANCE where these non disclosures have stood up, in
> > other words, they are nothing more than a bluff... a lie, artifice, a
> > symptom, means, and evidence of the underlying fraud of Scientology.
> > ------
> > Of course, Hari Palmer's version is simpler than Scientnology's, and
> > he only makes you promise to pay $10K per disclosure. I don't know
> > exactly what Landmark makes people sign, saying they won't talk about
> > what happens during the events.
>
> what do they call it when a scieno leaves early and the have to pay
> for the courses they never worked off?

It's called a Freeloader Debt. To give LRH credit (which I rarely do),
he initially set up a formula where this applied to people who joined
staff, got a lot of training and processing, and then left. If they
actually worked for some time, the debt was canceled.

But it's illegal anyway in most places, since the training is required
on-the-job training.


>
>  in law there is no legally binding contract with a minor
>
> yet who is really an adult of sound mind and will - if they are not
> clear of all their thetans?
>
> how can a non clear enter into a legally binding contract ?
>
> how can there be a true meeting of the minds?

Now, that would be an interesting bit ot testimony: "My body thetans
made me sign the contract" -- or whatever.

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