forum leaders are trained, from Rickross.com

[patrick]

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000

[bentot]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
<patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>
>
>http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000

Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
employer before letting them represent the company?

[elle...@gmail.com]

Ben,

Since you have so much time on your hands, see if you can figure out the difference (~distinction~) between legitimate sales training and the type of ~training~ Werner Erhard and his Landmark inheritors make use of, that is, one which utilizes deceit, manipulation, and trickery. Here's a hint: Landmark's has roots in the old door-to-door, foot-in-the-door, traveling, snake-oil, predatory, encyclopedia, tent-revival, late-night-infomercial sales that have distinguished this country for generations.


Ellen

[bentot]

Hi Ellen,

Long time, no see. I see you still have an impressive supply of
invectives to hurl at your nemesis. Anything else to add while you
are on a roll?

Examples of broken promises made in sales pitches:

Navy recruiter states that after 20+ years of service, you and your
spouse's medical needs will be provide cost free for life! Bogus! Our
congress has been slowly taking that benefit away from retired vets.

An appliance sales person talks of wonderful guarantees and warranties
on their washer/dryer set. Bogus! Took a letter to the company CEO
to get them replaced at no cost. Re-stocking fee?! Over my dead
body!!

Home builder company promised correction of discrepancies in our new
home. Bogus! Showed him my letter to the CEO of his company naming
him and listing the uncorrected discrepancies. He begged that it not
be sent and kicked off a flurry corrective actions. Problem solved.

So, I am no stranger to bogus sales pitches, Ellen. So, what's your
point? Did Landmark make you a promise and didn't deliver?

bentot

[patrick]

read how they are trained. get out of your already thinking and read
the article.

they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
the leaders of the programs have a much better time using mind
control techniques.

quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.

its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.

hey, its the truth, i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.

[bentot]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick

<patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>>
>> <patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>>
>>
>>
>> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>>
>> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
>read how they are trained. get out of your already thinking and read
>the article.
>
>they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
>the leaders of the programs have a much better time using mind
>control techniques.
>
>quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
>are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
>then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.

Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training? Talk
about repetition and exhaustion! Now THAT'S tough! I doubt very much
that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
that. A walk in the park by comparison.

>
>its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
>properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.

We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
hours and lack of sleep. We were there long before the participants
arrived and long after they went home. And found it to exhilarating.
We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
and go to the day-job.

>
"hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......

>i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.

A safe assumption.

bentot

[patrick]

On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:22:36 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> <patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> >>
>
> >> <patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
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> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>
> >>
>
> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
> >
>
> >read how they are trained. get out of your already thinking and read
>
> >the article.
>
> >
>
> >they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
>
> >the leaders of the programs have a much better time using mind
>
> >control techniques.
>
> >
>
> >quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
>
> >are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
>
> >then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.
>
>
>
> Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training? Talk
>
> about repetition and exhaustion! Now THAT'S tough! I doubt very much
>
> that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
>
> that. A walk in the park by comparison.

it may be a walk in the park to u, but if u read the article from
somone who has been there done that, he could see the control tactics
they were using.

i was wondering , what do u believe the control tactics that i would them
or just a walk in the park as u would call it doe for landmark and the
trainees ?

>
>
>
> >
>
> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>
> >been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
>
> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
>
>
> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>
> hours and lack of sleep. We were there long before the participants
>
> arrived and long after they went home. And found it to exhilarating.
>
> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
>

> and go to the day-job.\

that is probably part of what the teams kept coming back. whether u realize
it not, i and the article has described mind control techniques.

u seem to have been just as exhililerated as the participants.

its is very possible and i dont see why not, that everybody that was there
got that high, exhilerating feeling.

do u believe that mind control techniques are possible in other places
, if not landmark ?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 29, 10:05 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:49:49 -0800 (PST), ellena...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:49:23 AM UTC-8, bentot wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>
> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>
> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
> >Ben,
>
> >Since you have so much time on your hands, see if you can figure out the difference (~distinction~) between legitimate sales training and the type of ~training~ Werner Erhard and his Landmark inheritors make use of, that is, one which utilizes deceit, manipulation, and trickery.  Here's a hint: Landmark's has roots in the old door-to-door, foot-in-the-door, traveling, snake-oil, predatory, encyclopedia, tent-revival, late-night-infomercial sales that have distinguished this country for generations.
>
> >Ellen
>
> Hi Ellen,
>
> Long time, no see.  I see you still have an impressive supply of
> invectives to hurl at your nemesis.  Anything else to add while you
> are on a roll?
>
> Examples of broken promises made in sales pitches:
>
> Navy recruiter states that after 20+ years of service, you and your
> spouse's medical needs will be provide cost free for life!  Bogus! Our
> congress has been slowly taking that benefit away from retired vets.
>
> An appliance sales person talks of wonderful guarantees and warranties
> on their washer/dryer set.  Bogus!  Took a letter to the company CEO
> to get them replaced at no cost.  Re-stocking fee?!  Over my dead
> body!!
>
> Home builder company promised correction of discrepancies in our new
> home.  Bogus!  Showed him my letter to the CEO of his company naming
> him and listing the uncorrected discrepancies.  He begged that it not
> be sent and kicked off a flurry corrective actions.  Problem solved.
>
> So, I am no stranger to bogus sales pitches

Why re-frame ~leaders~ and providers of ~education~ as salespersons in
the first place?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 29, 1:22 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>
> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>
> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
> >read how they are trained. get out  of your already thinking and read
> >the article.
>
> >they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
> >the leaders of the programs have a much better time using  mind
> >control techniques.
>
> >quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
> >are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
> >then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.
>
> Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training?

No.

> Talk
> about repetition and exhaustion!  Now THAT'S tough!  I doubt very much
> that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
> that.  A walk in the park by comparison.

What relevance does military training have to ~education~ ?

> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
> >been  kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
> hours and lack of sleep.  We were there long before the participants
> arrived and long after they went home.

And this seemed necessary?

[bentot]

Dunno... ask them.

[bentot]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:17:11 -0800 (PST), patrick

Wanna re-structure that paragraph, Patrick? It's pretty hazy.

bentot

[bentot]

Patrick was commenting on exhaustion imparing the judgment of folks.
My point is that many folks have far more rigorouse experinces and
function well.

>
>> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>> >been  kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
>> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>>
>> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>> hours and lack of sleep.  We were there long before the participants
>> arrived and long after they went home.
>
>And this seemed necessary?

Yes.

[patrick]

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:10:37 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:59:58 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 29, 1:22�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> >>
>
> >> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>
> >>
>
> >> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>
> >>
>
> >> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
> >>
>

> >> >read how they are trained. get out �of your already thinking and read

>
> >> >the article.
>
> >>
>
> >> >they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
>

> >> >the leaders of the programs have a much better time using �mind

>
> >> >control techniques.
>
> >>
>
> >> >quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
>
> >> >are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
>
> >> >then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.
>
> >>
>
> >> Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training?
>
> >
>
> >No.
>
> >
>

> >>�Talk
>
> >> about repetition and exhaustion! �Now THAT'S tough! �I doubt very much

>
> >> that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
>

> >> that. �A walk in the park by comparison.

>
> >
>
> >What relevance does military training have to ~education~ ?
>
>
>
> Patrick was commenting on exhaustion imparing the judgment of folks.
>
> My point is that many folks have far more rigorouse experinces and
>
> function well.

hope this gets here. i have lost a reply button again.

my point that i was trying to make was, that landmark does use
mind control techniques and if u study it u will find that hypnosis
is one answer and i believe thee answer for how the programs work.

as you do, the participants get sleep deprived and still have all this
energy about them. its hypnosis.they keep u awake and interested and
energized.

u have stated that your participation in the programs kept u exhilarated.


if u hypnotise a crowd u get them all. im sure that feeling of
exhilaration u had and your friends had was in a sense addicting. its the
same with the new participants in the audience.

everybody under hypnosis is made to feel pumped and alive. and this
is also part of why people either sign up for more programs or come back
later for more.

hypnosis is a very powerful tool.

>
> >
>
> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>

> >> >been �kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest

>
> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> >>
>
> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>

> >> hours and lack of sleep. �We were there long before the participants

>
> >> arrived and long after they went home.

and still u didnt feel tired correct ?

>
> >
>
> >And this seemed necessary?
>
>
>
> Yes.
>
> >
>
> >> And found it to exhilarating.
>

> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. �Then get up Monday morning

>
> >> and go to the day-job.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
>
> >>
>
> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
>
> >>
>
> >> A safe assumption.
>
> >>
>
> >> bentot

ben , do u feel any truth about anything u experienced in the program (s)
u took.

[Serena Nordstrup]

I addressed the question to you, Ben, because in the discussion about
~forum leaders~ working for a company that advertizes ~education~, you
have emphasized the notions of sales and of salespersons. So I ask of
you: Why re-frame ~leaders~ and providers of ~education~ as

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 30, 3:10 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:59:58 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

I question whether 'many folks" do navy Seal training. And even
prospective Marines form a small minority of the population. -- I
suppose we could discuss whether we might mean the same thing when we
say that people "function well".

> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
> >> >been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
> >> hours and lack of sleep. We were there long before the participants
> >> arrived and long after they went home.
>
> >And this seemed necessary?
>
> Yes.

Looking back, does it still seem necessary?

[bentot]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:29:08 -0800 (PST), patrick
<patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:10:37 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:59:58 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 29, 1:22�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>>
>> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>>
>> >>
>>

>> >> >read how they are trained. get out �of your already thinking and read

>>
>> >> >the article.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
>>

>> >> >the leaders of the programs have a much better time using �mind

>>
>> >> >control techniques.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
>>
>> >> >are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
>>
>> >> >then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >No.
>>
>> >
>>

>> >>�Talk
>>
>> >> about repetition and exhaustion! �Now THAT'S tough! �I doubt very much

>>
>> >> that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
>>

>> >> that. �A walk in the park by comparison.

>>
>> >
>>
>> >What relevance does military training have to ~education~ ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick was commenting on exhaustion imparing the judgment of folks.
>>
>> My point is that many folks have far more rigorouse experinces and
>>
>> function well.
>
>
>
>hope this gets here. i have lost a reply button again.
>
>my point that i was trying to make was, that landmark does use
>mind control techniques and if u study it u will find that hypnosis
>is one answer and i believe thee answer for how the programs work.
>
>as you do, the participants get sleep deprived and still have all this
>energy about them. its hypnosis.they keep u awake and interested and
>energized.
>
>u have stated that your participation in the programs kept u exhilarated.
>
>
>if u hypnotise a crowd u get them all. im sure that feeling of
>exhilaration u had and your friends had was in a sense addicting. its the
>same with the new participants in the audience.
>
>everybody under hypnosis is made to feel pumped and alive. and this
>is also part of why people either sign up for more programs or come back
>later for more.
>
>hypnosis is a very powerful tool.
>

Hypnosis, my ass!!

Patrick, have you ever participated in an activity that was really
interesting and exciting.. that you would work around the clock to
complete... and feel exuberant about? No hypnosis about it!

Sometimes, I think you have had too sheltered a life. There's a real
world out there.

In my navy days, a team of us technicians were assigned to fix an
serious electronics problem on a ship alongside our own. We had just
three days to get it done before she deployed. After three days of no
sleep and gallons of black coffee and quick snacks, the ship deployed
on time. We were proud, exuberant and damn tired. More that effort
we all received commendations at a Captains Meritorious Mast of which
I still have the photos.

Hypnosis, indeed!!

>
>
>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>>

>> >> >been �kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest

>>
>> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>>

>> >> hours and lack of sleep. �We were there long before the participants

>>
>> >> arrived and long after they went home.
>
>and still u didnt feel tired correct ?
>
>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >And this seemed necessary?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> And found it to exhilarating.
>>

>> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. �Then get up Monday morning

[bentot]

Question your head off, ???serena??. Why are you committed to having
folks be wimps and victims?

>
>> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
>> >> >been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
>> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>>
>> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>> >> hours and lack of sleep. We were there long before the participants
>> >> arrived and long after they went home.
>>
>> >And this seemed necessary?
>>
>> Yes.
>
>Looking back, does it still seem necessary?

See above....

[bentot]

See above.

[patrick]

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:50:26 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:29:08 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> <patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:10:37 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:59:58 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >On Jan 29, 1:22�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:54:30 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
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> >> >>
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> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >On Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:23 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:36:09 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,117000
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> Have ever met a sales person who wasn't thoroughly trained by their
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> employer before letting them represent the company?
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>

> >> >> >read how they are trained. get out �of your already thinking and read

>
> >>
>
> >> >> >the article.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >they use mind control techniques on the leaders of the program. then
>
> >>
>

> >> >> >the leaders of the programs have a much better time using �mind

>
> >>
>
> >> >> >control techniques.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >quite a while ago on rick ross someone mentiioned how the forum leaders
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >are told to sit down, stand up over and over till they are exhausted and
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >then they are told to sit down and stand up over and over.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> Ever watch videos of Marine boot camp, or Navy Seal training?
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >No.
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>

> >> >>�Talk
>
> >>
>
> >> >> about repetition and exhaustion! �Now THAT'S tough! �I doubt very much

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> >>
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> >> >> that the rigors of what you are talking about come any where close to
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> >>
>

> >> >> that. �A walk in the park by comparison.

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> >> >
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> >> >What relevance does military training have to ~education~ ?
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Patrick was commenting on exhaustion imparing the judgment of folks.
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> >>
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> >> My point is that many folks have far more rigorouse experinces and
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> >>
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> >> function well.
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >hope this gets here. i have lost a reply button again.
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> >
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> >my point that i was trying to make was, that landmark does use
>
> >mind control techniques and if u study it u will find that hypnosis
>
> >is one answer and i believe thee answer for how the programs work.
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> >
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> >as you do, the participants get sleep deprived and still have all this
>
> >energy about them. its hypnosis.they keep u awake and interested and
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> >energized.
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> >
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> >u have stated that your participation in the programs kept u exhilarated.
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> >
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> >
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> >if u hypnotise a crowd u get them all. im sure that feeling of
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> >exhilaration u had and your friends had was in a sense addicting. its the
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> >same with the new participants in the audience.
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> >
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> >everybody under hypnosis is made to feel pumped and alive. and this
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> >is also part of why people either sign up for more programs or come back
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> >later for more.

and its probably the main reason people volunteer for landmark.
its like getting high.

>
> >
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> >hypnosis is a very powerful tool.
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> >
>
> Hypnosis, my ass!!
>
>
>
> Patrick, have you ever participated in an activity that was really
>
> interesting and exciting.. that you would work around the clock to
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> complete... and feel exuberant about? No hypnosis about it!

of course i have.

>
>
>
> Sometimes, I think you have had too sheltered a life. There's a real
>
> world out there.

i dont know why u would say that. is it because i disagree with u ?

>
>
>
> In my navy days, a team of us technicians were assigned to fix an
>
> serious electronics problem on a ship alongside our own. We had just
>
> three days to get it done before she deployed. After three days of no
>
> sleep and gallons of black coffee and quick snacks, the ship deployed
>
> on time. We were proud, exuberant and damn tired. More that effort
>
> we all received commendations at a Captains Meritorious Mast of which
>
> I still have the photos.

all very logical. im sure people all over the world have dont stuff
that they were proud of and successful at and felt good about it.
it may be but im not sure the same kind of feeling u get from lgats.

u dont have to be hypnotized to feel good about something. u can be
hynotized , be indoctrinated , made to feel good about and be
released back to society to do good things for people. i cant imagine
why landmark would have of their people do bad things to other people.




>
>
>
> Hypnosis, indeed!!

indeed :)

>
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> >
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> >
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> >>
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> >> >
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> >>
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> >> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
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> >>
>

> >> >> >been �kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest

>
> >>
>
> >> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
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> >>
>
> >> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
>
> >>
>

> >> >> hours and lack of sleep. �We were there long before the participants

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> >>
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> >> >> arrived and long after they went home.
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> >
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> >and still u didnt feel tired correct ?
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> >
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> >
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> >>
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> >> >
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> >>
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> >> >And this seemed necessary?
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Yes.
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> >>
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> >> >
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> >>
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> >> >> And found it to exhilarating.
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> >>
>

> >> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. �Then get up Monday morning

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> >>
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> >> >> and go to the day-job.
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> A safe assumption.
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> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
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> >> >> bentot
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> >
>
> >ben , do u feel any truth about anything u experienced in the program (s)
>
> >u took.
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> >
>
> >

i want to mention that my post button is maybe in a different part of the
page instead of being missing and that paragraph i wrote that doesnt make
sense ) is there some place. i am not ignoring it.

[patrick]

and i want to mention that landmark doesnt give out gallons of black
coffee and quick snacks. hmmmm. maybe now that we have discussed it they
will.

>
> u dont have to be hypnotized to feel good about something. u can be
>
> hynotized , be indoctrinated , made to feel good about and be
>
> released back to society to do good things for people. i cant imagine
>
> why landmark would have of their people do bad things to other people.

it wouldnt be good pr.

>
>
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Hypnosis, indeed!!
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> indeed :)
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> > >> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
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> >
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> > >>
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> >
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> > >> >> >been �kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
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> >
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> > >>
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> >
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> > >> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> >
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> > >>
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> >
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> > >> >>
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> >
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> > >>
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> >
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> > >> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
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> > >>
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> >
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> > >> >> hours and lack of sleep. �We were there long before the participants
>

i going to suppose you volunteered for more than one event. if u did , after
the first one u felt so good about doing it wanted to do it again.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 31, 4:01 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:18:25 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Thank you. So why, Ben, did you re-frame ~leaders~ and providers of

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 31, 3:50 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:29:08 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:10:37 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 01:59:58 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

And your little ~story~ logically proves the non-existence of
hypnosis ?

[bentot]

I am not in a discussion called, "...does hypnosis exist in the
world?" Stop spinning, ???serena??? !!

[bentot]

Circle J....!!

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 1, 3:12 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:05:41 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Legitimate question following naturally from the turn (decisively
executed by yourself) in the discussion from training to sales: why,

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 31, 3:59 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:24:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Thank you, Ben. Your supportive charm means a great deal to me in the
arrangement of my ~strong suits~.

> Why are you committed to having folks be wimps and victims?

I hadn't noticed any ~commitment~. I thought I would just ask a few
questions and find out a little bit about the so-called ~landmark~ so-
called ~education~...

> >> >> >its similar to how landmark give out the homework so people who have
> >> >> >been kept going all day and into the night dont have the time to rest
> >> >> >properly, it helps to keep them in line. to manipulate them easier.
>
> >> >> We who worked on the training logistics teams know all about LONG
> >> >> hours and lack of sleep. We were there long before the participants
> >> >> arrived and long after they went home.
>
> >> >And this seemed necessary?
>
> >> Yes.
>
> >Looking back, does it still seem necessary?
>
> See above....

Done. So looking back, does it still seem necessary?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 1, 3:11 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:11:00 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Of course no. Yet in the discussion you responded to Patrick's
suggestion of mind-control techniques (specifically hypnosis) in
rosenbergist ~trainings~ by telling a ~story~ about exuberance (?) in
a navy, complete with an assertion that hypnosis had nothing to do
with such exuberance. Given our discussion of mind-control techniques,
I therefore ask whether your little ~story~ logically proves the non-
existence of hypnosis ?

[bentot]

Reframed in YOUR mind only, Circle J. Serena!

[bentot]

Hypnosis appears to exist in the world cj-serena-cj, but,as I said, I
wasn't having THAT discussion. Set your adjenda aside long enough
hear what I said!

[bentot]

Count up ^^^^ four lines and very carefully read my one-word answer,
cj-serena-cj! Sheeesh!!!!!!

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 2, 4:22 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:42:25 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Talk about circulaity! Four lines from where?

Why not just answer the question clearly and succinctly: looking back,

does it still seem necessary?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 2, 4:09 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:34:35 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

I can see that in say the 1920s people may have associated
~leadership~ with sales. But subsequently management fads changed...
It doesn't seem particularly useful to me to see school-teachers and
university lecturers and other generic providers of Education as
selling stuff. So why convert a ~conversation~ about leadership and
education into a ~conversation~ about sales and sales pitches?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 2, 4:16 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:50:39 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Yet you hung your contribution off Patrick's claims for hypnosis, and
in non-sequitur fashion rejected the relevance of hypnosis to the
~story~ you provided -- not to the ~story~ Patrick provided...

> Set your adjenda aside long enough
> hear what I said!

I read what you wrote. I question its relevance and purpose.

[bentot]

This CJ is ended.

[bentot]

I notice your questioning of everything! Like a two-year old.
This CJ is ended.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 3, 12:54 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:18:25 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Exactly! And questioning makes two-year-olds very efficient learners.

> This CJ is ended.

Run away! Run away!

Concluded: hypnosis exists, and may (for lack of proof to the
contrary) play a role in so-called ~landmark~ so-called ~education~ -
despite distracting ~stories~...

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 3, 12:49 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:05:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Un-answered questions don't just ~disappear~. Do you, Ben, still see
it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams work long
hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?

[bentot]

Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!

[Tom Jones]

> Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!

Nordstrop is like Sisyphus who pushes a giant boulder up and down a
mountain. Nordstrop will attempt to browbeat any one he can with his
self-serving questions till his dying day. Nordstrop cannot and will
not take time to piss up a rope, as it would distract from his strict
adherence to circle jerking others on this topic.

In other words, expect nothing but more self-serving circle jerkery
from Nordstrop.

[Caligari]

Trolololol

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 4, 3:14 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:52:34 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

I don't see how my ~trying~ to piss up a rope will help you seem
otherwise than evasive in the face of a simple clarifying question:

[Serena Nordstrup]

I suspect any apparent trend to circularity stems from the lack of
rigor in rosenbergist ~languaging~.

[bentot]

Oh, and you don't ~see~ either! Thanks for reminding me. The rope is
right over there, CJ-serena-CJ. BTW..no hands!

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 6, 4:47 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 01:16:41 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Apart from your little rope-fantasy, Ben, have you considered that a
simple and effective method of cutting through this alleged "circle-
jerk" would just involve answering the straightforward and unambiguous
question in a a straightforward and unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben,

[bentot]

Write that ten more times on the chalkboard. Or, more if it flips
your skirt/skivvies. Just run up your flags like a skivvie waver,
announcing yet another of your many victories as you off sail into the
sunset.

Just as bullheaded as you.

[patrick]

On Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:16:13 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:54:23 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 6, 4:47�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 01:16:41 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> >> >On Feb 4, 3:14�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:52:34 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> >> >> >On Feb 3, 12:49�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:05:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >On Feb 2, 4:22�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:42:25 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >> >On Jan 31, 3:59�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:24:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>

> >> >> >> >> cj-serena-cj! �Sheeesh!!!!!!

>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >Talk about circulaity! Four lines from where?
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >Why not just answer the question clearly and succinctly: looking back,
>
> >> >> >> >does it still seem necessary?
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And found it to exhilarating.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and go to the day-job.
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A safe assumption.
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bentot
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> This CJ is ended.
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >Un-answered questions don't just ~disappear~. Do you, Ben, still see
>
> >> >> >it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams work long
>
> >> >> >hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>
> >>
>
> >> >> Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!
>
> >>
>
> >> >I don't see how my ~trying~ to piss up a rope will help you seem
>
> >> >otherwise than evasive in the face of a simple clarifying question:
>
> >> >Do you, Ben, still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training
>
> >> >logistics teams work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>
> >>
>

> >> Oh, and you don't ~see~ either! �Thanks for reminding me. �The rope is
>
> >> right over there, CJ-serena-CJ. �BTW..no hands!

>
> >
>
> >Apart from your little rope-fantasy, Ben, have you considered that a
>
> >simple and effective method of cutting through this alleged "circle-
>
> >jerk" would just involve answering the straightforward and unambiguous
>
> >question in a a straightforward and unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben,
>
> >still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams
>
> >work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>
>
>
> Write that ten more times on the chalkboard. Or, more if it flips
>
> your skirt/skivvies. Just run up your flags like a skivvie waver,
>
> announcing yet another of your many victories as you off sail into the
>
> sunset.
>
>
>
> Just as bullheaded as you.

hmmm. its interesting that none of got to talk about and discuss, debate
anything i brought here from rick ross.

[bentot]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
<patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:16:13 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:54:23 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Feb 6, 4:47�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 01:16:41 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> >On Feb 4, 3:14�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:52:34 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> >> >On Feb 3, 12:49�pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 02:05:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> >> >> >On Feb 2, 4:22�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:42:25 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> >> >> >> >On Jan 31, 3:59�am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:24:18 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> >> >> >> cj-serena-cj! �Sheeesh!!!!!!

>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >Talk about circulaity! Four lines from where?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >Why not just answer the question clearly and succinctly: looking back,
>>
>> >> >> >> >does it still seem necessary?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And found it to exhilarating.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and go to the day-job.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A safe assumption.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bentot
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> This CJ is ended.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >Un-answered questions don't just ~disappear~. Do you, Ben, still see
>>
>> >> >> >it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams work long
>>
>> >> >> >hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >I don't see how my ~trying~ to piss up a rope will help you seem
>>
>> >> >otherwise than evasive in the face of a simple clarifying question:
>>
>> >> >Do you, Ben, still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training
>>
>> >> >logistics teams work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>> >>
>>

>> >> Oh, and you don't ~see~ either! �Thanks for reminding me. �The rope is
>>
>> >> right over there, CJ-serena-CJ. �BTW..no hands!

>>
>> >
>>
>> >Apart from your little rope-fantasy, Ben, have you considered that a
>>
>> >simple and effective method of cutting through this alleged "circle-
>>
>> >jerk" would just involve answering the straightforward and unambiguous
>>
>> >question in a a straightforward and unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben,
>>
>> >still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams
>>
>> >work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>>
>>
>> Write that ten more times on the chalkboard. Or, more if it flips
>>
>> your skirt/skivvies. Just run up your flags like a skivvie waver,
>>
>> announcing yet another of your many victories as you off sail into the
>>
>> sunset.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just as bullheaded as you.
>
>hmmm. its interesting that none of got to talk about and discuss, debate
>anything i brought here from rick ross.

Well, you and I traded a few comments. Then CJ-serena-CJ butted in
with her manipulative "Make Ben bad and wrong" agenda. Then it was
destined to go down the latrine.

[patrick]

> >> >> >> >> >> cj-serena-cj! �Sheeesh!!!!!!

>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >Talk about circulaity! Four lines from where?
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >Why not just answer the question clearly and succinctly: looking back,
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >does it still seem necessary?
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And found it to exhilarating.
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and go to the day-job.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A safe assumption.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bentot
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >> This CJ is ended.
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >Un-answered questions don't just ~disappear~. Do you, Ben, still see
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams work long
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> >hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >> Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!
>
> >>
>
> >> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >> >I don't see how my ~trying~ to piss up a rope will help you seem
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> >>
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> >> >> >otherwise than evasive in the face of a simple clarifying question:
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> >>
>
> >> >> >Do you, Ben, still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training
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> >>
>
> >> >> >logistics teams work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>
> >>
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> >> >>
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> >>
>

> >> >> Oh, and you don't ~see~ either! �Thanks for reminding me. �The rope is
>
> >>
>
> >> >> right over there, CJ-serena-CJ. �BTW..no hands!

>
> >>
>
> >> >
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> >>
>
> >> >Apart from your little rope-fantasy, Ben, have you considered that a
>
> >>
>
> >> >simple and effective method of cutting through this alleged "circle-
>
> >>
>
> >> >jerk" would just involve answering the straightforward and unambiguous
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> >>
>
> >> >question in a a straightforward and unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben,
>
> >>
>
> >> >still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams
>
> >>
>
> >> >work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
>
> >> Write that ten more times on the chalkboard. Or, more if it flips
>
> >>
>
> >> your skirt/skivvies. Just run up your flags like a skivvie waver,
>
> >>
>
> >> announcing yet another of your many victories as you off sail into the
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> >>
>
> >> sunset.
>
> >>
>
> >>
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> >>
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> >> Just as bullheaded as you.
>
> >
>
> >hmmm. its interesting that none of got to talk about and discuss, debate
>
> >anything i brought here from rick ross.
>
>
>
> Well, you and I traded a few comments. Then CJ-serena-CJ butted in
>
> with her manipulative "Make Ben bad and wrong" agenda. Then it was
>
> destined to go down the latrine.

if we take what u say as the truth, it didnt have to go downhill.

wheres the enlightenment :)

[bentot]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:14:18 -0800 (PST), patrick

>> >> >> >> >> >> cj-serena-cj! �Sheeesh!!!!!!

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>> >> >> >> >> >Talk about circulaity! Four lines from where?
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>> >> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >Why not just answer the question clearly and succinctly: looking back,
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>> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >does it still seem necessary?
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>> >>
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>> >> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And found it to exhilarating.
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>> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We would be lucky to get 2/3 hours sleep. Then get up Monday morning
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and go to the day-job.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "hey, its the truth",...According to Patrick.......
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >i wouldnt expect u to believe it necessarily.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A safe assumption.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> bentot
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>> >> >> >> >> This CJ is ended.
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>> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> >Un-answered questions don't just ~disappear~. Do you, Ben, still see
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams work long
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> >hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >> Well, since you can't read or hear, try pissing up a rope!!
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >I don't see how my ~trying~ to piss up a rope will help you seem
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >otherwise than evasive in the face of a simple clarifying question:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >Do you, Ben, still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> >logistics teams work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >>
>>
>> >>
>>

>> >> >> Oh, and you don't ~see~ either! �Thanks for reminding me. �The rope is
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >> right over there, CJ-serena-CJ. �BTW..no hands!

>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >Apart from your little rope-fantasy, Ben, have you considered that a
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >simple and effective method of cutting through this alleged "circle-
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >jerk" would just involve answering the straightforward and unambiguous
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >question in a a straightforward and unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >still see it as necessary that rosenbergist training logistics teams
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >work long hours and ~experience~ lack of sleep?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Write that ten more times on the chalkboard. Or, more if it flips
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> your skirt/skivvies. Just run up your flags like a skivvie waver,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> announcing yet another of your many victories as you off sail into the
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> sunset.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Just as bullheaded as you.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >hmmm. its interesting that none of got to talk about and discuss, debate
>>
>> >anything i brought here from rick ross.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, you and I traded a few comments. Then CJ-serena-CJ butted in
>>
>> with her manipulative "Make Ben bad and wrong" agenda. Then it was
>>
>> destined to go down the latrine.
>
>if we take what u say as the truth, it didnt have to go downhill.

I said what was so for me. Some will assert that I lie. Others will
beleive me. I don't control what others conclude, so I don't try to
"fix" it.

It will go down the crapper if CJ-serena-CJ involved! Her agenda is
to discredit and marginalize folks. I was going to add "...that
don't agree with her/him." But that doesn't apply because he/she
avoids stating opposing opinions. She just clamps her jaws on a
manipulating question and repeats it endlessly, calling it discusion
or debate.

Enlightened or not, I give short shrift to manipulators. Got better
things to do in my few remaining years.

>
>wheres the enlightenment :)

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 8, 5:16 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:54:23 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Will that help to nudge you into replying so that our ~conversation~
can move forward?

Ben, have you considered that a simple and effective method of cutting

through this alleged "circle-jerk" would just involve answering the

straightforward and unambiguous question in a a straightforward and
unambiguous manner: Do you, Ben, still see it as necessary that
rosenbergist training logistics teams work long hours and ~experience~
lack of sleep?

> Just as bullheaded as you.

... but somewhat less optimistic about the redemptive ~power~ of open
~communication~ in a ~conversation for possibility~, perhaps...

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 8, 12:29 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:16:13 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:54:23 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Destined how, Ben?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Feb 8, 4:37 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:14:18 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Thursday, February 7, 2013 5:29:13 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 14:20:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >> >On Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:16:13 AM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> >> >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 01:54:23 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

... rather than to gently clarify and explicate ?

> I was going to add  "...that
> don't agree with her/him."  But that doesn't apply because he/she
> avoids stating opposing opinions.  She just clamps her jaws on a
> manipulating question and repeats it endlessly, calling it discusion
> or debate.

Discussion -- yes. Debate -- yes. But what happens when participants
in a discussion/debate decline to make a ~stand~ for their ~what's so~
beliefs, yet prefer not to have them questioned?

> Enlightened or not, I give short shrift to manipulators.

Inviting posters repeatedly to piss up a rope or to ride into the
sunset doesn't count as manipulation either, in case you wondered.