OT: Obama reverse speech
Alrick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
and here in the Yes We Can-song:
computeruser
Alan Keyes is 100% correct about the threat, toward the end of this first
clip.
There are many who think Obamas actions are just like pissing all over
America
and wiping his ass with the Founding Fathers intentions.
And many more are waking up to the fact that he's a closeted Communist.
Eldon
OMG, both of you should take your meds. Anybody who thinks playing
speeches or songs backward is delusional. Might be an interesting new
effect to try with a discotheque turntables, though, since it started
during that era.
tex
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> - Show quoted text -
Not to mention their belief that they are being followed by black
helicopters manned by blood sucking "reptilian" government agents. ;-)
It's more of a cognitive deficit problem.......or they're both crazy.
Perhaps they're long lost twins, separated at birth, reunited on
usenet.
Eldon
I just read your last post aloud, recorded it, and then played it
backwards. I was shocked to discover what you were really saying. I'm
turning you in to the FBI and sending an MP3 file as evidence!
tex
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> - Show quoted text -
Damnit!!!!!
You've blown my cover.
Back to the witness protection program for a new identitiy.
"What is the frequency, Kenneth." ;-)
Caligari
While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
fabricate. This is pathetic.
- Caligari
computeruser
- Caligari
****************
It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
government, I think I am going to be ill.
I am not sure who said this maybe someone here. "You are only young once,
you can be immature for a lifetime."
The backward masking is farcical. It was being absurd to illustrate the
absurdity, of these molesters of child's minds.
Most of the Allan Keyes comments are spot on.
Rather than expanding government, it should be contracting to fit only what
it should and ought to do.
What is the value add of government-run anything?
HAPPYsamurai
i think this is a very good question...
but not a simple one
Eldon
If your community had a privately run fire department, what would be
the amount of their monthly fee to ensure they would save your house
in case it caught on fire? Does that question remind you of a
"protection" organization? Like the Mafia for instance?
Caligari
> "Caligari" wrote...
>
> On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> - Caligari
>
> ****************
>
> It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> government, I think I am going to be ill.
Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
and a children's choir:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPDI03gmUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNyxxZvf8I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Hopes_%281959_song%29
Alrick
> On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > - Caligari
>
> > ****************
>
> > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> and a children's choir:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPDI03gmUwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNyxxZvf8Ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Hopes_%281959_song%29
IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
It's just sad.
Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
off looking for more intelligent, open-minded company.
Eldon
> On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
Alrick, when was the last time you were in Chicago? (I lived there for
a few years at one point.) How about New Jersey? (I've only
visited.).
If you listen to my posts backwards, do you find any hidden subversive
messages?
tex
> On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
>
> The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
> stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
> to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
> It's just sad.
>
> Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
> of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
Alrick,
Is alex Jones correct in his assessment of David Icke, calling him
"turd in the punch bowl" at the "Global Conspiarcy convention"?
He also called him either crazy or a con man.
Do you think Obama is controlled by blood sucking reptilians?
You are correct.
it can not be fun for you if every time you expose yourself as an
idiot someone is there to point it out.
Maybe you can find a new place of "residence."
Thomas Booth is looking for a pen pal. ;-)
Ta Ta.
HAPPYsamurai
> On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
>
> The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
> stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
> to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
> It's just sad.
>
> Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
> of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
> off looking for more intelligent, open-minded company.
LOL
I know - I want Wayne's 100 x employees to post here...
still politics as a topic has some inherant problems
HAPPYsamurai
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
>
> The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
> stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
> to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
> It's just sad.
>
> Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
> of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
> off looking for more intelligent, open-minded company.
good luck - and report back...
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.apocalypse/browse_thread/thread/0c8a0df84f14458a#
alt.apocalypse
just to get you started
tho I think you'll find there's a natural force at work
ie - if the group is tooo whacky to attract a self appointed hall
monitor
then it is too whacky
the bigger member groups seem to have enough people to balance the HM
phenomena
there are also some people out there that "play" with the subject
and others can get into the finer points of the present socialogical
situation
computeruser
> On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
JFK and the Kennedy dynasty was build on ill gotten gains, IMO.
There was also other issues with Kennedy such as the steel workers
union.
Frank Sinatra (who recorded the High Hopes song mentioned above) and
all the Hollywood elite who loved him, what about their shady ties to
organized crime?
Caligari
Yup, Joe Kennedy's bootlegging during Prohibition. (There's also
Joe's recommendation to appease Hitler when he was U.S. Ambassador to
England during the '40's.)
Bobby Kennedy looked to be attracted to righteousness. He wanted to
be on the HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) council to Joe
McCarthy before going after the Mafia. Probably went after some Mafia
members who helped Kennedy get elected, which they probably didn't
appreciate.
>
> There was also other issues with Kennedy such as the steel workers
> union.
And John Kennedy's womanizing would probably beat Clinton's. One
woman he had a dalliance with looked to be connected to the U.S.S.R.
>
> Frank Sinatra (who recorded the High Hopes song mentioned above) and
> all the Hollywood elite who loved him, what about their shady ties to
> organized crime?
Yes, Sinatra organized crime friends and their help in the Kennedy
election.
Caligari
> On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > - Caligari
>
> > > ****************
>
> > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > praise this man Barrack Obama. These your kids to be a tool of the
> > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > and a children's choir:
>
>
> IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
>
> The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
> stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
> to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
> It's just sad.
>
> Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
> of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
> off looking for more intelligent, open-minded company.
The point I was making is that children singing the praises of a
national leader is not a test for that leader having the qualities of
Hitler. If that were true, then every President and Prime Minister
would probably be like Hitler.
computeruser
> On Sep 23, 10:21 am, Alrick <alrick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 6:40 pm, Caligari <enric.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 23, 2:02 am, "computeruser" <ona...@postmaster.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "Caligari" wrote...
>
> > > > On Sep 22, 3:00 am, Alrick wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes We Can sounds a lot different now:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIT1IdpAss
>
> > > > > and here in the Yes We Can-song:
>
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=021drUxrzEw&NR=1
>
> > > > While I think there are serious financial instabilities that are not
> > > > being addressed that are the issue rather than expanding government to
> > > > manage health care, this video is truly ridiculous. It uses a
> > > > mystical evil used to manipulate people, "The Devil." And uses
> > > > totally ridiculous "evidence" of manipulating audio and video to
> > > > fabricate. This is pathetic.
>
> > > > - Caligari
>
> > > > ****************
>
> > > > It is humorous. It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
> > > > government, I think I am going to be ill.
>
> > > Similar to Kennedy's campaign song, "High Hopes", that used children
> > > and a children's choir:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPDI03gmUwhttp://www.youtube.com/watc...
>
> > IMO the only similarity between Obama and Kennedy is that they both
> > are/were Democratic presidents. There is no other valid similarity.
> > Kennedy stood for real change and reforms, Obama only uses at a
> > buzzword. With the help of his borther JFK went after the Mafia, Obama
> > is from Chicago and has lots of shady friends there.
>
> > The reason this non-existing similarity is is so played upon is to
> > stigmatize Obama's opposition. You're against him, that means you want
> > to kill him and you're a Lee Harvey Oswald.
>
> > It's just sad.
>
> > Well it's a pity most of you guys have become close-minded, and sort
> > of boring. There is no fun here, especially with tex around. I will be
> > off looking for more intelligent, open-minded company.
>
> The point I was making is that children singing the praises of a
> national leader is not a test for that leader having the qualities of
> Hitler. If that were true, then every President and Prime Minister
> would probably be like Hitler.
Earlier in this thread I wrote:
It is pathetic that people would indoctrinate children to
praise this man Barrack Obama. Teach your kids to be a tool of the
government, I think I am going to be ill.
---
It is sickening to think people put their hopes and dreams into a
charismatic leader. It reprehensible to molest children's minds this
way.
Assigning religious and political affiliations to children is flat out
wrong. They are independent individuals, that haven't had enough years
to decide for themselves what to think about these complex issues.
Telling them what to think is molding and indoctronation. Teaching
them to think independently is the proper thing to do.
(Slight editing - typo fixed above.)
tex
>
> - Show quoted text -
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and
to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
Eldon
You just had to rub it in, didn't you. There's also the fact that
universal, compulsory education was initially sold as a way to ensure
citizens would lay down their lives for the state.
computeruser
On Sep 24, tex wrote:
> On Sep 24, computeruser wrote:
> > On Sep 24, Caligari wrote:
> > > On Sep 23, Alrick wrote:
> > > > On Sep 23, Caligari wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 23, computeruser wrote:
> > > > > > Caligari wrote...
~~~
Excellent points both of you!
Did you happen to see this last week??
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,550063,00.html
Pledge of Confusion? Schools Wrestle With Flag Policy in Classroom
Monday , September 14, 2009
By Allison Pataki
It's a new school year, but an old fight is brewing in American
classrooms. Teachers and administrators around the country are
scratching their heads once again over the Pledge of Allegiance.
The courts have consistently ruled that students have the right not to
recite the pledge in public schools. But now some First Amendment
advocates are taking it one step further, arguing that the law compels
educators to inform kids at the beginning of school that the decision is
entirely up to them.
They're advocating a "Miranda warning" for the Pledge -- an
administrative notice to students that they have the right to remain
silent.
"The Pledge of Allegiance creates a constitutional problem. You have to
tell students they can opt out," the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director
of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told FOX News.
New Mexico dealt with this question last month when its education
secretary upheld that students are permitted to opt out of the Pledge,
but rejected an ACLU-backed amendment that would require schools to
inform parents and students that they have the option.
In Florida, schools have tried to resolve uncertainty by announcing a
new policy - students don't have to participate, as long as they have a
letter from Mom and Dad.
These are just the latest in a litany of challenges to the Pledge and
its place in the classroom.
Americans have recited the tribute to the stars and stripes since the
oath was written by Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister, in 1892. But
Bellamy's pledge did not include the words "under God," which were added
by Congress in 1954 during the McCarthy era, when Cold War tensions with
the Soviet Union - an atheist nation - were high in the United States.
Thirty-six states now have laws requiring that the Pledge of Allegiance
be recited daily in public schools. But the oath as it's written does
not sit well with some Americans.
"The Pledge doesn't even state the truth. We are not one nation under
God," Lynn said. "I don't think we should lie to students, and there's
no way we can require them to say it."
But supporters of the Pledge insist that the words are both
constitutional and an important part of our national heritage.
"There has been a recurring effort by the ACLU and others to try to stop
the Pledge of Allegiance from being said. The fact of the matter is that
the American people like the Pledge of Allegiance, they like it the way
it is," Phyllis Schlafly, founder of the Eagle Forum, told FOXNews.com.
"The teachers are government employees, their paychecks are paid by the
taxpayers, and the American people support the Pledge. I'm with the
American people," Schlafly said.
The majority of Americans do, in fact, overwhelmingly support the Pledge
of Allegiance in its current form. A FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll from
November of 2005 showed that 90 percent of Americans approve of the
oath. Only 7 percent of people polled said they would change the
language of the Pledge, while three percent of Americans were undecided.
The Pledge's popularity aside, the Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that
mandating a student to participate in the oath was an unconstitutional
violation of the First Amendment right to free speech.
Now the ACLU and other critics of the Pledge are taking the dispute a
step further - arguing that students, whether they do or don't support
the oath, should be told up front that they are not required to recite
the words.
They lost the first round in New Mexico last month, when state Education
Secretary Veronica Garcia ruled not to change state policy - which
requires that the Pledge be recited daily - to inform students of their
right to opt out.
"The department believes that the existing rule and practice in schools
respects the rights of all students," Garcia said a statement. "Any
issues related to rights of students will be handled at the local school
district level," the statement read.
New Mexico ACLU Director Peter Simonson protested the ruling, telling
the Associated Press, "I think it's a cop-out not to affirmatively state
that students have a First Amendment right not to participate in the
Pledge." Simonson declined to elaborate when contacted by FOXNews.com.
In Florida, ACLU attorney Randall Marshall successfully argued a case
before the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in defense of high school
student, Cameron Frazier, who abstained from reciting the Pledge because
of "personal political beliefs" and, according to the lawsuit, was
"singled out and humiliated" by his teacher.
"We made the case that students must be informed that they are not
required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance," Marshall told FOXNews.com.
"It's not a challenge to the content of the Pledge. Only that students
be informed that they are not required to recite it."
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I have an appreciation of the ideas and promise for freedom that America was
founded upon.
Not a piece of fabric, that symbolizes those ideas. The symbol is not the
same as the substance.
I think invocations, benedictions and the like should likewise not be thrust
on unsuspecting people, especially not children!
computeruser
The pledge has always been about nationalism. This teleprompter wants
Obama's minions to combine that with socialism.
Anyone remember some National Socialists from Germany in the 1900's?
(4th down on the Google search for: National Socialists from Germany).
Did you here about the other school children singing praises to him Barack
Husain Obama in New Jersey this week?
s_nordstrup
In 1963 a government loosened its control over enterprises.
Temporarily.
computeruser
s_nordstrup wrote...
On Sep 23, computeruser wrote:
> "Caligari" wrote...
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Reducing taxes adds value too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics
Caligari
One could ask the reverse: What is the value of privatizing sectors
of society usually the province of Government such as firefighting,
city police, state militia, national army, courts?
Eldon
One of the most egregious recent examples is prisons. The
"mananagement companies" that run them have gone around lobbying and
in some cases bribing judges to get more people in jail.
HAPPYsamurai
what is the "intrinsic" value of a wounded soldier?
HAPPYsamurai
what is the "intrinsic" value of money?
and bribary?
HAPPYsamurai
and justice?
News Journalism
> of "personal political beliefs" and, according to the lawsuit, was
> "singled out and humiliated" by his teacher.
>
> "We made the case that students must be informed that they are not
> required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance," Marshall told FOXNews.com.
>
> "It's not a challenge to the content of the Pledge. Only that students
> be informed that they are not required to recite it."
> ***
>
> I have an appreciation of the ideas and promise for freedom that America was
> founded upon.
>
> Not a piece of fabric, that symbolizes those ideas. The symbol is not the
> same as the substance.
>
> I think invocations, benedictions and the like should likewise not be thrust
> on unsuspecting people, especially not children!
Francis Bellamy (cousin of author Edward Bellamy) was a socialist in
the Nationalism movement and authored the Pledge of Allegiance
(1892),
the origin of the stiff-armed salute adopted much later by the
National Socialist German Workers Party. See the work of the
symbologist Dr. Rex
Curry. http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html
The early pledge began with a military salute that was then extended
out toward the flag. In practice, the second gesture was performed
palm-down with a stiff-arm when the military salute was merely pointed
out at the flag. Thus, the military salute led to the Nazi salute in
the Pledge
of Allegiance to the flag of the United States.
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html
It was not an ancient Roman salute. That is a myth debunked by Dr.
Curry, who showed that the myth came from the Pledge.
American national socialists (including Edward Bellamy), in
cooperation with Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society,
popularized the
use of the Swastika (an ancient symbol) as a modern symbol for
socialism long before the symbol was adopted by the National
Socialist
German Workers Party (Nazis). http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
The Bellamys influenced the National Socialist German Workers Party
and its dogma, rituals and symbols (including the modern use of the
swastika as crossed S-letters for "Socialism" under German National
Socialism). Similar alphabetical symbolism was used under the NSDAP
for the "SS" division, the "SA," the "NSV," et cetera and similar
symbolism is visible today as the Volkswagen VW logo.
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a1.html