individualism?

HAPPYsamurai

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Dec 25, 2009, 9:00:37 PM12/25/09

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does autonomy count...

..psychoanalysis can and should make a basic contribution to a
politics of autonomy. For, each person's self-understanding is a
necessary condition for autonomy. One cannot have an autonomous
society that would fail to turn back upon itself, that would not
interrogate itself about its motives, its reasons for acting, its deep-
seated [profondes] tendencies. Considered in concrete terms, however,
society doesn't exist outside the individuals making it up. The self-
reflective activity of an autonomous society depends essentially upon
the self-reflective activity of the humans who form that society.[5]

Cornelius Castoriadis

computeruser

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Dec 26, 2009, 5:09:23 AM12/26/09

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"HAPPYsamurai" wrote...
> Does autonomy count?...

Yes.

Thank you. How did you happen across this? Who the heck is Cornelius
Castoriadis?

HAPPYsamurai

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Dec 26, 2009, 6:46:08 AM12/26/09

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It was on wiki

i looked up resistance then resilience from a psych perspective and
found autonomy

I think CC is a greek psychologist - you can wiki the name

Wayne

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Dec 26, 2009, 8:59:48 AM12/26/09

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He was a former communist and socialist so radical even his fellows
banned him. He was a holdover from an earlier age when the connection
between the goals of a world socialism governed by the 'scientific
thought' of psychiatry and Darwinism were more transparent.

Eldon

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:59:36 AM12/26/09

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If he is so discredited, why did Stanford University Press publish
three of his books, including this most recent one in 2007?
http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=1740

"The late Cornelius Castoriadis was Director of Studies at the École
des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales and a practicing psychoanalyst.
Among his many books in English are On Plato's “Statesman” (Stanford
University Press, 2002) and World in Fragments: Writings on Politics,
Society, Psychoanalysis, and the Imagination (Stanford University
Press, 1997)."

Or did you just pull that derogatory comment out of your ass, Waynus?

BTW, what do you think of his colleague Lacan?

HAPPYsamurai

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Dec 26, 2009, 2:43:24 PM12/26/09

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On 27 Dec, 02:59, Wayne <waynemcma...@cox.net> wrote:
> > I think CC is a greek psychologist - you can wiki the name
>
> He was a former communist and socialist so radical even his fellows
> banned him. He was a holdover from an earlier age when the connection
> between the goals of a world socialism governed by the 'scientific
> thought' of psychiatry and Darwinism were more transparent.

autonomy is a radical stand considering some of the present views of
socialism and communism

by the way - are you giving this interpretation as Dave's Dharma
Referee?

...

I guess something i could bring up with you CU would be along these
lines

if we are to view humans as capable of autonomy - should we limit the
types of autonomy that can be manifested ?

or leave the autonomous to choose their own forms ?

of course the truly autonomous recognise the "social" fabric they
operate in [by my definition at least]

HAPPYsamurai

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Dec 26, 2009, 2:45:26 PM12/26/09

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> three of his books, including this most recent one in 2007?http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=1740

>
> "The late Cornelius Castoriadis was Director of Studies at the École
> des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales and a practicing psychoanalyst.
> Among his many books in English are On Plato's “Statesman” (Stanford
> University Press, 2002) and World in Fragments: Writings on Politics,
> Society, Psychoanalysis, and the Imagination (Stanford University
> Press, 1997)."
>
> Or did you just pull that derogatory comment out of your ass, Waynus?
>
> BTW, what do you think of his colleague Lacan?

educational "psych"-ologists - hang them all - so says the Dharma
Referee

hubby got that right eh Dharma ref