Ray's choral cd
Ron Fowler
choral versions (the new cd), what's next? The Living Strings do YRGM?
The jazz version of Lola? It's pretty clear Ray's run out of ideas. He
needs the other Kinks IMHO.
Joanne Corsano
I have to confess my eyes glaze over when the KPS digest starts to
discuss Ray's choral album. Is it available in the U.S., and is it
worth hearing?
However, I don't completely agree that Ray has run out of ideas. I
think Ray has managed to revitalize himself in the past few years
(since his brush with death). The two solo albums are both good, and
the 'Come Dancing' musical seemed to be both a good idea and well
executed (although I didn't see it).
When you say he needs the other Kinks, I presume you mean he needs
Dave. I agree Ray is better with Dave. However, I don't think *Dave*
needs *Ray*.
-Joanne
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Ron Fowler
Kinks material. I loved Bug and Fractured Mindz, though. Wish he was
able to tour those albums now, but it doesn't appear he is up to it yet.
I'd enjoy seeing a KastOff Kinks gig, though, if they ever make it over
to the US.
Joanne Corsano
>to the US.
Me, too. They were tentatively scheduled to play the Sit 'n Bull some
years back but the gig was cancelled. Oh, well.
Ron Fowler
the Kast Offs. I have no idea how much $$$ the guys are getting for
these gigs, but it's certainly worth a shot.
Joanne Corsano
>Maybe I should contact some local clubs (or pubs) and suggest they book
>the Kast Offs. I have no idea how much $$$ the guys are getting for
>these gigs, but it's certainly worth a shot.
Are you on the left side of the pond?
When the Kast Offs were booked in the U.S. before, I think I remember
hearing that the cancellation had something to do with Dave's people
objecting to the word "Kinks" in their name. This was during Dave's
active touring days. Since Dave is not currently touring, it would be
up to Ray's people this time to object.
And of course there's the issue that the performers themselves may not
want to do it. The KOK gigs in England are local for them, easy to get
to, familiar. None of this would be true for a gig (or series of gigs)
in America.
Ron Fowler
Kast-Offs gig here, but I'd like to give it a shot. Shame on Dave for
getting their gig cancelled. I don't see any reason why they can't bill
themselves as Kast-Off Kinks, it's not the same as calling themselves
the Kinks. When Dave toured, he called his show the Kinks Kronikles
show. Same difference.
Joanne Corsano
>getting their gig cancelled. I don't see any reason why they can't bill
>themselves as Kast-Off Kinks, it's not the same as calling themselves
>the Kinks. When Dave toured, he called his show the Kinks Kronikles
>show. Same difference.
I didn't say *Dave* got the gigs cancelled. I said *Dave's people*. I
suspect Dave himself had nothing to do with it. I am not saying this
out of some misplaced sense of loyalty to Dave. Dave's a musician, not
a marketing professional, and I'm certain he didn't handle publicity
and related matters personally.
Dave's marketing people apparently thought the use of "Kinks" in the
name would be some sort of conflict with Dave's use of "Kinks."
But this is a long time ago and my memory of it could be completely
wrong, and maybe it was all just speculation even at the time.
I'd still like to see the Kast-Offs come over here, but it probably
isn't going to happen. WE have to go to THEM.
Ron Fowler
Joanne Corsano
>My apologies, Joanne. I misread or misunderstood.
No need to apologize. The distinction between Dave doing something and
Dave's staff doing something is a very fine distinction, and it comes
down to the same thing. The buck stops here, and all that stuff.
I'm just glad to have a thread going on this newsgroup. I miss the old
days when this was probably the most active Kinks discussion area in
cyberspace, even more so than the KPS.
Ron Fowler
I've tried to get some other threads started there, but I guess I'm not
enough of an insider to be noticed.
Joanne Corsano
>I've tried to get some other threads started there, but I guess I'm not
>enough of an insider to be noticed.
Well, it's understandable, because right now Ray is definitely the
alpha Kink. He's doing live shows and his other projects (the stage
play in London, the choral CD). The alpha Kink was Dave a few years
ago during his solo touring days and when 'Bug' was released.
I post the occasional Dave related thread on the KPS because, after
all, I am nothing if not a "raving Dave fan."
I have read the KPS for almost 15 years, but many days my reading
consists of a quick scroll of less than one minute.
Ron Fowler
but I wouldn't rank it alongside his best work overall. "AFL1-3603" and
"Chosen People" are my favorites along with "Bug", not a weak track
among the bunch, and a good variety of tunes, from heavy rockers to
prettier stuff.
Joanne Corsano
I think 'Chosen People' is my favorite Dave record but 'Bug' is close.
Having seen Dave perform so many of the songs from 'Bug' really brings
those songs close to my heart. I have mixed feelings about the long
chant/dance/meditation at the end of 'Bug' but it works in a way and
shows that Dave isn't afraid to experiment, musically.
'Fractured Mindz' is good too, but it's so low tech that it doesn't
feel finished to me. 'Bug' benefited from having Dave's band (Jim,
Kristian etc.) play on it.
All of Dave's many albums are good. (People probably don't realize how
many albums Dave has put out, when you count the various demos disks,
different versions of the anthology, and the recent live official
bootlegs, along with his four official studio records.) My least
favorite is probably the 'Fortis Green' demos disk. Or maybe 'Purusha'
but that's not strictly a Dave album.
Ron Fowler
they went out of print. I'm hoping they'll return someday. Dave sure has
been prolific in recent years.
Ron Fowler
over and over. Dave's first two albums were good, but this one was a
masterpiece. I played it for all of my friends for years, but they just
didn't get it. Some liked it, but it didn't hit them like it hit me. I
guess I was more tuned into the spiritual side of his music than others
were. I played "Take One More Chance" for my girlfriend, but she had
nothing more to say than "he sounds like Eric Carmen". It was a real eye
opener for me years later to go on the internet and find there were
other people that loved Dave's solo stuff. My only complaint about his
solo shows was he didn't do enough of the songs he'd written. I know
everybody loves to hear Ray's Kinks songs, but I would've loved a whole
show of just songs Dave wrote. There's more than enough of them to fill
up a 90 minute or 2 hour show. Loved his acoustic version of "Love Gets
You". The album version is great, but I think he made the song even
better, stripping it down to the basics on "Unfinished Business".
Joanne Corsano
wrote:
> My only complaint about his
>solo shows was he didn't do enough of the songs he'd written. I know
>everybody loves to hear Ray's Kinks songs, but I would've loved a whole
>show of just songs Dave wrote. There's more than enough of them to fill
>up a 90 minute or 2 hour show. Loved his acoustic version of "Love Gets
>You". The album version is great, but I think he made the song even
>better, stripping it down to the basics on "Unfinished Business".
Dave played "Love Gets You" at my first solo show (Cleveland, Ohio,
Nov. 1997) and it was a huge surprise and the highlight of the show. I
heard him play it a few times thereafter but there's nothing like your
first time. :-)
I agree that more Dave-written songs would have been good, but he did
such a killer job at the Ray-written songs that he proved he owned
those songs. His performances of songs like Young & Innocent Days,
Dead End Street, See My Friends were astounding... not just the power
hits like YRGM and ADAOTN.
Ron Fowler
wrote 'Living on a Thin Line" for Ray to sing, and I could imagine him
doing a good job of it. He did finally get Ray to sing a couple of his
songs in the final years of the Kinks, "Look Through Any Doorway" and
"Close to the Wire".
Joanne Corsano
Fowler) wrote:
>Has Ray ever played any Dave-written songs in his shows?
Not that I know of. I have wondered the same thing.
>Dave said he wrote 'Living on a Thin Line" for Ray to sing, and I could imagine him
>doing a good job of it.
It would have been a grand gesture on Ray's part to incorporate "Thin
Line" into his set once he started performing again after being shot
-- a tribute to his brother and an acknowledgement of his talent. And
I think it would work, too.
>He did finally get Ray to sing a couple of his songs in the final years of the Kinks, "Look Through Any Doorway" and
>"Close to the Wire".
They are actually only co-sung by Ray. Ray and Dave share the lead
vocals on those two.
Ron Fowler
performance of it on the Tonight Show.
Joanne Corsano
Yes. A klassic. And they didn't at all look they hated one another --
they looked like they were having a blast performing together.
Is that on Youtube? Mentioning it made me want to watch it again.
Ron Fowler
originally ran. Yeah, looked like they were having fun with the song.
Leno asked them about the "creative tension", and Dave said "today we're
getting along really well".