The Bears Are Loaded - Throw The "Studio" Camera At Them...
PostingCoach
Made this posting at a "photography" NG...
> Hello,
> I would just like to see if any of you could clear up a little matter. I was
> informed by one person that if you're wanting to photograph wildlife in
> general (she specified moose and lions) a Hasselblad is the only
> choice, and said that "Victor Hasselblad designed them for the sole
> purpose of photographing birds" in the first place. Another person says
> that a Hasselblad isn't the most logical choice for wildlife photography.
> He claimed that a Pentax 6x7, a Leica rangefinder, or any top quality
> 35 with a good telephoto would be a better choice for going after moose
> and lions. Thanks in advance for your help.
Reply that I received:
"I do wonder if someone's been having you on - many 'blads have been used for
shooting birds, but not many of those have feathers ;-)"
Made this posting at a "photography" NG...
> Thanks to all for the good advice. And from some of the replies that
> were posted, I'm going to assume that the Hasselblad isn't the most
> obvious choice for "moose and lions". =)
>
> The same person that said the Hasselblads were designed "for the sole
> purpose of photographing birds" also just happens to be the same
> person that said "Nikon cameras are filter friendly". She claims that the
> "universal thread design" of the Canon cameras are likely to "strip out
> or cross-thread" when you try to use filters.
Reply that I received, about "filter friendly":
"LOL."
And a few more replies which seem to confirm that the Hasselblad --isn't-- the
most obvious choice for "moose and lions":
"By the way, no way! an 8x10 with a 6 fps motor drive IS the way yo go. On the
positve side in a pinch you can always throw your 8x10 at whatever is charging
your way."
"Read the history of H'blad on their site. There is mention of Hassy's bird
watching forays, but it is not linked to the 6cX6cm camera."
"I believe most professional wildlife photogs today use 35mm"
"I own Hassleblad and Nikon. The Hasselblad is used for scenics, portraits,
and weddings; while the Nikons are more suited for wildlife. Big telephotos
for Hasselblad are very costly, heavy, and don't go out far enough to feel
comfortable shooting lions."
"check out:
www.lanting.com to see what Frans Lanting uses. (my favorite wildlife
photographer)
and Nikon taking top spots."
"The telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is so big that
it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton truck. The stiff
truck suspension makes the lens very stable so you are guaranteed sharp
pictures."
"An additional advantage is that the big truck usually knocks over the tripods
of all those wimps with little 35 mm cameras on tripods when you drive up, so
you are usually the only one who gets the shot. That is of course unless some
macho geek with an even bigger 8 x 10 telephoto lens mounted on an industrial
dump truck drives over you and wrecks your fun."
"I would recommend the Leica 400mm 6.8 and 560mm 6.8 Telyts on any suitable
Leica R or Leicaflex body over anything else. Their light weight and
compactness (they break down into two parts) together with their extremely high
contrast make these long lenses superb performers for wildlife work."
"Or rather a Canon, Nikon or Minolta 600 f/4 lens on the appropriate bodies for
another stop and a half of light essesntial to wildlife
photogs? Even with a 1.4 TC, you're only at f/5.6..."
Score!
PearlOfFortune
> "I do wonder if someone's been having you on <
"I do wonder if someone's been having you on
score!
:) paige
PostingCoach
>
>posting coach:
>
>> "I do wonder if someone's been having you on <
>
>
>"I do wonder if someone's been having you on
>
"Excuses, excuses."
Big Butt,
It's better for you to makes excuses. Since you can't answer or ask any
"professional" photography questions. You won't because you can't. =)
Score!
PostingCoach
>
>But you must have accidentally left out this reply that you received
>Poochy .....
>
>"Your information is correct, but not because of image quality. The
>telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is so big
>that it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton
>truck. The stiff truck suspension makes the lens very stable so you
>are guaranteed sharp pictures."
Soft,
What I posted said it all...
"The telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is so big that
it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton truck."
Guess you're trying to imply that Big Butt --really-- was "correct" by
suggesting a "studio camera" for "moose and lions".
Score!
PostingCoach
>
> he agreed you can get superior photos using a Hasselblad for wildlife
> photography, as long as it's vehicle-mounted so as to be stationary.
Soft Idiot,
"he" also said:
"That is of course unless some macho geek with an even bigger 8 x 10 telephoto
lens mounted on an industrial dump truck drives over you and wrecks your fun."
Did you believe it? Did you really believe that dump trucks have 8 x 10 cameras
mounted on them?
Idiot,
Guess you missed the part where it was mentioned "Big telephotos for Hasselblad
are very costly, heavy, and don't go out far enough to feel comfortable
shooting lions." Guess you --are-- saying that Pearl --was-- "correct" in using
a "studio" camera for "wildlife"?
PostingCoach
>
>apparently because he agreed you can get
>superior photos using a Hasselblad for wildlife photography, as long
>as it's vehicle-mounted so as to be stationary.
Soft,
Since you're ignorant enough to believe that even when "Big telephotos for
Hasselblad are very costly, heavy, and don't go out far enough to feel
comfortable shooting lions". I guess you'll believe --this-- reply that I got.
Get your ("flash powder") ready...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Yep. Knew a guy who did that, he and his brother. They were old when I met
them.
One of them would set up just off a trail known to be used by grizzlies; his
brother would stand in the trail to serve as a model for framing and
focusing, and so the shot would be ready to go when a grizzly appeared.
The first few times they did this, the damn bear didn't stop long enough
for an exposure, so the next time out they set up with flash powder,
figuring to catch the bear in his tracks.
Well, this worked pretty well, until the bears stopped being spooked by the
flash powder. The next time a bear came by that had been photographed before,
instead of turning tail and skedaddling when the flash went off, he raised up
on his hind feet to get at the photographer. Problem was, the bear had been
watching for the flash and had been blinded by it, so he wandered off in the
wrong direction.
The brothers talked this over and decided that photographing bears had just
taken an exciting turn, that getting a picture of a bear on its hind legs
was just the thing they'd been looking for. So what they did was have two
flash charges, and catch the bear's attention with the first one, so they could
get an image with the second.
This worked even better, and pretty soon the two brothers began to compile a
stock of really impressive (read: saleable) bear pictures. Then one day the
bear happened to blink during both flash charges, and instead of being blinded,
he was able to see the two men. That wasn't a problem, of course, because the
fellows knew how to handle bears on the rampage.
The brother on watch simply shrugged, drew his Colt Frontiersman, stepped up to
the bear as it opened its arms and laid the barrel on the lower jaw of the
bear. And pulled the trigger. Bear went over backwards; end of bear.
That was sort of sad, because eventually all the bears in the area figured
out what was going on, and, having lost kin to this business, ran like hell
whenever they smelt photo chemicals. See, the last series of photos was of the
bear being blown away by the brother.....
'Course, about then, some of them new-fangled photographers with their wimpy
cameras started showing up looking for bear, and the brothers decided to
retire. The bears couldn't tell the difference between 8x10 field cameras and
the HCB pocket variety, and figured it was safer to stay away, so none of the
new guys got eaten by bear. But they didn't get any bear pictures, either.
Just as well. Them new-fangled pocket cameras wouldn't have produced a decent
photograph in any case: the only reasonable photograph of a bear is life-size,
dontchaknow, and for knowledgeable clientele in the market for bear pictures,
stepping up close enough to the print to put their nose on the lower jaw of the
bear was required.....
Yep, photography ain't what it used to be."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Guess you --are-- saying that Pearl --was-- "correct" in using a "studio"
camera for "wildlife". Even when Pearl is (now) pretending that her "wildlife
photographers can stand in a field with a hasselblad" was all meant as a joke.
Score!
PearlOfFortune
> Big Butt,
It's better for you to makes excuses. Since you can't answer or ask any
"professional" photography questions. You won't because you can't. =) <
"I do wonder if someone's been having you on
:) paige
PostingCoach
>
>apparently because he agreed you can get
>superior photos using a Hasselblad for wildlife photography, as long
>as it's vehicle-mounted so as to be stationary.
Soft,
Since you're ignorant enough to believe that even when "Big telephotos for
Hasselblad are very costly, heavy, and don't go out far enough to feel
comfortable shooting lions". I guess you'll believe --this-- reply that I got.
Get your "flash powder" and "Colt Frontiersman" ready...
PearlOfFortune
> And since it's what you said she said in your post to that newsgroup,
could you give me the article number where Paige said "a Hasselblad is
the only choice" for photographing wildlife? <
i would like to see that too, pudge.
:) paige
PostingCoach
>
>"I do wonder if someone's been having you on
"Excuses, excuses"
Big Butt,
It's better for you to makes excuses. Since you can't answer or ask any
"professional" photography questions. You won't because you can't. =)
"wildlife photographers can stand in a field with a hasselblad"
-PearlOfFortune
"in fact, victor hasselblad was a bird watcher and naturalist and created his
camera for the sole purpose of photographing them."
-PearlOfFortune
And to Soft Syn...
PostingCoach
Take That And That
The Coach:
<<< And a few more replies which seem to confirm that the Hasselblad
--isn't-- the most obvious choice for "moose and lions": >>>
---- "By the way, no way! an 8x10 with a 6 fps motor drive IS the way yo
go. On the positve side in a pinch you can always throw your 8x10 at
whatever is charging your way." ----
---- "Read the history of H'blad on their site. There is mention of
Hassy's bird watching forays, but it is not linked to the 6cX6cm
camera." ----
---- "I believe most professional wildlife photogs today use 35mm" ----
---- "I own Hassleblad and Nikon. The Hasselblad is used for scenics,
portraits, and weddings; while the Nikons are more suited for wildlife.
Big telephotos for Hasselblad are very costly, heavy, and don't go out
far enough to feel comfortable shooting lions." ----
---- "check out:
www.lanting.com to see what Frans Lanting uses. (my favorite wildlife
photographer)
and Nikon taking top spots." ----
---- "The telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is
so big that it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton
truck. The stiff truck suspension makes the lens very stable so you are
guaranteed sharp pictures." ----
---- "An additional advantage is that the big truck usually knocks over
the tripods of all those wimps with little 35 mm cameras on tripods when
you drive up, so you are usually the only one who gets the shot. That is
of course unless some macho geek with an even bigger 8 x 10 telephoto
lens mounted on an industrial dump truck drives over you and wrecks your
fun." ----
---- "I would recommend the Leica 400mm 6.8 and 560mm 6.8 Telyts on any
suitable Leica R or Leicaflex body over anything else. Their light
weight and compactness (they break down into two parts) together with
their extremely high contrast make these long lenses superb performers
for wildlife work." ----
---- "Or rather a Canon, Nikon or Minolta 600 f/4 lens on the
appropriate bodies for another stop and a half of light essesntial to
wildlife photogs? Even with a 1.4 TC, you're only at f/5.6..." ----
<<< Score! >>>
LOL!
(a) Looks like BB "The One Lens System" Paige got laughed out of the
photography newsgroup - w/o even having to be there!
- Great work, Coach! :-)
--
Take That And That: The Master Of The Medium
Take That And That
<<< Not dump trucks you half-wit. Since when does a dump truck weigh
"one ton?" He explicitly said: "...it has to be permanently mounted on
the chassis of a one ton truck. The stiff truck suspension makes the
lens very stable so you are guaranteed sharp pictures." >>>
Amateur, why are you defending BB - and being forced to think that
there's even such a thing as *Truck Mounting Kits* for Hasselblads? The
guy was making fun of BB's stupid statements - LOL - that's why he *did*
mention that you can use dump trucks for the 8x10 cameras, you fool.
Amateur, go ask the person what they would use for a 20x24 Veiw Camera -
they'll tell you to weld it to the top of the Eiffel Tower?
<<< Seriously Poochy, you must have a reading comprehension problem. His
serious response followed by an attempt at humor apparently went
completely over your head when he said that using the Hasselblad for
wildlife photography by mounting it on a one ton truck works well, >>>
Amateur, go ask that person if they realy *ever* took BB's amateurish
comments about Hasselbads being Moose cameras seriously - Idiot,
everything about mounting Hasselblads to trucks was a joke, you fool.
<<< unless you get run over by someone using a dump truck.
Syn >>>
Amateur, thanks for being forced to defend BB, the stupidest way that
you knew how. LOL.
Take That And That
<<< But you must have accidentally left out this reply that you received
Poochy .....
"Your information is correct, but not because of image quality. The
telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is so big that
it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton truck. The
stiff truck suspension makes the lens very stable so you are guaranteed
sharp pictures." >>>
---- Soft,
What I posted said it all...
"The telephoto lens required for bird photography with a Hassy is so big
that it has to be permanently mounted on the chassis of a one ton
truck."
Guess you're trying to imply that Big Butt --really-- was "correct" by
suggesting a "studio camera" for "moose and lions".
Score! ----
(a) Why is Syn being forced to defend BB "The One Lens System" Paige?
- Why does Syn think Hasselbads are permanently mounted to trucks? Syn
is confusing cameras with howitzers? ;-)
Take That And That
<<< Not me, ya dope ...the person above who responded to your
post...which you didn't quote here, apparently because he agreed you can
get superior photos using a Hasselblad for wildlife photography, as long
as it's vehicle-mounted so as to be stationary. >>>
Fool, that person was *laughing* at BB's amateurish ways - you don't
mount Hasselblads to trucks, you fool.
(a) But thanks for being pressured into defending BB. :-)
PostingCoach
PostingCoach
>From: syna...@softhome.netnospam
>> Did you believe it? Did you really believe that dump trucks have 8 x 10
>> cameras mounted on them?
> Not dump trucks you half-wit. Since when does a dump truck weigh
> "one ton?" He explicitly said: "...it has to be permanently mounted on
> the chassis of a one ton truck. The stiff truck suspension makes the
> lens very stable so you are guaranteed sharp pictures."
Soft,
Did you think that a "one ton" truck --really-- only weighs "one ton"? And you
think a 1/2 ton truck weighs 1,000 pounds? That would make Barb's Honda weigh
about 600 pounds? Right? Truck classifications are rated by the the weight of
their chassis/frames, not their actual curb weight.
> Seriously, you must have a reading comprehension problem. His
> serious response followed by an attempt at humor apparently went
> completely over your head when he said that using the Hasselblad for
> wildlife photography by mounting it on a one ton truck works well,
> unless you get run over by someone using a dump truck.
>
> Syn
Soft,
Guess you are saying that Pearl was "correct" in using a "studio" camera for
"wildlife". Even when Pearl is (now) pretending that her "wildlife
photographers can stand in a field with a hasselblad" was all meant as a joke.
LOL!
"wildlife photographers can stand in a field with a hasselblad"