A little background: a local libertarian group posted an ad to chi.politics and an economics group. I took this opportunity to make a crack about their lack of respect for property rights since I had once seen some of their course catalogs in someone else's giveaway newspaper box. I immediately started getting flamed by one Jimbo aka Jimmy Wales. Wales is a Randoid of the highest order. Exhibit 1:
Objectivism _is_ the only philosophy proper for human life on earth. Moreover, Objectivism is the philosophy upon which a prosperous "civilization of the future" can be based. Furthermore, Objectivism is properly classed as among the greatest contributions to civilization ever known...
Jimbo told people to go over to www.dejanews.com to see what a bad boy I am etc., and that I called Clarence Thomas a "House Negro."
Jimbo got a little confused because I posted to a thread started by the one and only Rack Jite titled "TOP HOUSE NEGROES" the article news:5elhaf$fhc@huitzilo.tezcat.com where I did refer to Keith B Richburg as a "House Negro" in an offhand manner. And I'm not sorry.
Now, I have been a little harsh to Justice Thomas in the past:
Plenty of blacks of all political stripes support individual rights. But Thomas is still a boot-licking, handkerchief-headed, UNQUALIFIED, Uncle Tom who has gotten where he is by political patronage.
And I'm not sorry.
When I thought it odd that Wales would be sticking up for a statist like Thomas, Wales piously said:
For the record, I am not a supporter of Clarence Thomas...
But just look at who I was replying to in the previous thread!
In article <4j6duo$...@Venus.mcs.com>, Jimmy Wales <jwa...@MCS.COM> wrote:
>This is an extremely racist remark. The presumption, of course, is that >because Clarence Thomas is black and believes in individual rights, he must >be some kind of slave-mentality. The concept of a black man willing to >stand up and say that people are responsible for their own lives is anathema >to some. Why? Because the concept of an independent-minded black man is >not possible to paternalists.
This is par for the course with Wales. He can't even remember what he said a few articles back!
>>Norman Nithman <n...@tezcat.com> wrote: >>>>>The belief that government cannot solve at least some problems >>>>>is even more simplistic.
>>I wrote: >>>> [An explanation that this is a straw man argument. Since I >>>> see a proper role for government in solving some problems >>>> and since this is actually _standard_ among free market >>>> advocates, Norman is attacking an idea that isn't actually >>>> being offered.]
>>To which Normal brilliant responds: >>>Just quoting you, sport.
>>! Which is just patently untrue. Norman, people actually read >>this stuff and have memories of more than a day. They can easily >>look up the entire thread -- and your entire history of insulting >>behavior -- on DejaNews.
> Well, that's also a good idea. When I used to teach university > economics, I was quite successful in getting my students to think > in a serious way about the consequences of various policy decisions. > I think that most of my students left the class with an understanding > that the simplistic yet common view that the government can solve >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > problems deserves serious doubt. I think that a course in introductory >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > economics can go a long way towards helping people understand what > is going on in our society any why.
To which his only reply is:
In article <5fmjpa$jt...@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>, Jimbo- Wales <jwa...@MCS.COM> wrote:
>Liar. Norman, people are reading this thread. They are quite aware of >how civil and generous I've been with you. To see you accuse me of >Stalinism in any form is just really really amusing. :-)
>You don't get out much, do you?
>--Jimbo
My, how clever. Jimbo claimed on three different occasions that I called Thomas a "House Negro." I challenge him or anyone else to find a post where I directly called Clarence Thomas a "House Negro" If anyone can find one on a recognized search engine such as DejaNews or AltaVista, I will admit my mistake and donate $50 to that person's favorite charity or political organization and $50 to Jimbo's. If Jimbo can find one by himself, I will donate $100 to his. If you think you've found one, please post and cc both jwa...@mcs.com and n...@tezcat.com. This offer is only good for the first valid email I get. All I will owe under any circumstances is $100, period. Deadline is Wednesday, March 12, 1997 at 5 PM CST (2300 GMT). Thanks for your attention and happy hunting! -- The Nixon Links featuring The Wild World of Spiro Agnew http://www.tezcat.com/~nrn
I'd like to apologize to the internet community for my attempt to engage Norman Nithman in a civil discussion of his posting tactics. :-) You gotta be careful these days, eh?
My overall point was, and is, that engaging in such behavior as calling prominent politicians "house Negroes" is not conducive to an advancement in understanding. Norman, I have contended, is more interested in insulting people than in engaging in serious dialogue.
Judge for yourself.
Interesting quote he came up with to smear me. He quotes an article I wrote that was a deliberate rewrite/parody of an earlier article that I did not write. :-)
Of course, I suppose this article, like my others, will be considered "Stalinist" by Norman.
Is there an FAQ on this guy? Have I been suckered in by a known lunatic?
In article <5fp7u4$lk...@Mars.mcs.net>, Jimbo- Wales <jwa...@MCS.COM> wrote: >I'd like to apologize to the internet community for my attempt to >engage Norman Nithman in a civil discussion of his posting tactics. >:-) You gotta be careful these days, eh?
>My overall point was, and is, that engaging in such behavior as >calling prominent politicians "house Negroes" is not conducive to >an advancement in understanding. Norman, I have contended, is more >interested in insulting people than in engaging in serious dialogue.
>Judge for yourself.
>Interesting quote he came up with to smear me. He quotes an >article I wrote that was a deliberate rewrite/parody of an >earlier article that I did not write. :-)
>Of course, I suppose this article, like my others, will be >considered "Stalinist" by Norman.
>Is there an FAQ on this guy? Have I been suckered in by a known >lunatic?
>--Jimbo
Only the one you see in the mirror. That $100 is burning a hole in my pocket, so get thee to www.dejanews.com! -- The Nixon Links featuring The Wild World of Spiro Agnew http://www.tezcat.com/~nrn
> A little background: a local libertarian group posted an ad > to chi.politics and an economics group. I took this opportunity > to make a crack about their lack of respect for property rights > since I had once seen some of their course catalogs in someone > else's giveaway newspaper box. I immediately started getting > flamed by one Jimbo aka Jimmy Wales. Wales is a Randoid of the > highest order. Exhibit 1:
> Objectivism _is_ the only philosophy proper for human life on > earth. Moreover, Objectivism is the philosophy upon which a > prosperous "civilization of the future" can be based. Furthermore, > Objectivism is properly classed as among the greatest contributions > to civilization ever known...
> Jimbo told people to go over to www.dejanews.com to see what a bad boy > I am etc., and that I called Clarence Thomas a "House Negro."
> Jimbo got a little confused because I posted to a thread started by > the one and only Rack Jite titled "TOP HOUSE NEGROES" the article > news:5elhaf$fhc@huitzilo.tezcat.com where I did refer to Keith B Richburg > as a "House Negro" in an offhand manner. And I'm not sorry.
> Now, I have been a little harsh to Justice Thomas in the past:
> Plenty of blacks of all political stripes support individual rights. > But Thomas is still a boot-licking, handkerchief-headed, UNQUALIFIED, > Uncle Tom who has gotten where he is by political patronage.
> And I'm not sorry.
> When I thought it odd that Wales would be sticking up > for a statist like Thomas, Wales piously said:
> For the record, I am not a supporter of Clarence Thomas...
> But just look at who I was replying to in the previous thread!
> In article <4j6duo$...@Venus.mcs.com>, Jimmy Wales <jwa...@MCS.COM> wrote:
> >This is an extremely racist remark. The presumption, of course, is that > >because Clarence Thomas is black and believes in individual rights, he must > >be some kind of slave-mentality. The concept of a black man willing to > >stand up and say that people are responsible for their own lives is anathema > >to some. Why? Because the concept of an independent-minded black man is > >not possible to paternalists.
> This is par for the course with Wales. He can't even remember what he > said a few articles back!
> >>Norman Nithman <n...@tezcat.com> wrote: > >>>>>The belief that government cannot solve at least some problems > >>>>>is even more simplistic.
> >>I wrote: > >>>> [An explanation that this is a straw man argument. Since I > >>>> see a proper role for government in solving some problems > >>>> and since this is actually _standard_ among free market > >>>> advocates, Norman is attacking an idea that isn't actually > >>>> being offered.]
> >>To which Normal brilliant responds: > >>>Just quoting you, sport.
> >>! Which is just patently untrue. Norman, people actually read > >>this stuff and have memories of more than a day. They can easily > >>look up the entire thread -- and your entire history of insulting > >>behavior -- on DejaNews.
> > Well, that's also a good idea. When I used to teach university > > economics, I was quite successful in getting my students to think > > in a serious way about the consequences of various policy decisions. > > I think that most of my students left the class with an understanding > > that the simplistic yet common view that the government can solve > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > problems deserves serious doubt. I think that a course in introductory > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > economics can go a long way towards helping people understand what > > is going on in our society any why.
> To which his only reply is:
> In article <5fmjpa$jt...@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>, Jimbo- Wales <jwa...@MCS.COM> wrote:
> >Liar. Norman, people are reading this thread. They are quite aware of > >how civil and generous I've been with you. To see you accuse me of > >Stalinism in any form is just really really amusing. :-)
> >You don't get out much, do you?
> >--Jimbo
> My, how clever. Jimbo claimed on three different occasions that > I called Thomas a "House Negro." I challenge him or anyone else > to find a post where I directly called Clarence Thomas a "House Negro" > If anyone can find one on a recognized search engine such as DejaNews > or AltaVista, I will admit my mistake and donate $50 to that person's > favorite charity or political organization and $50 to Jimbo's. If Jimbo > can find one by himself, I will donate $100 to his. If you think you've > found one, please post and cc both jwa...@mcs.com and n...@tezcat.com. > This offer is only good for the first valid email I get. All I will > owe under any circumstances is $100, period. Deadline is Wednesday, > March 12, 1997 at 5 PM CST (2300 GMT). Thanks for your attention > and happy hunting! > -- > The Nixon Links > featuring > The Wild World of Spiro Agnew > http://www.tezcat.com/~nrn
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