d.i.y (do it yourself, ya freakin moron!)
wont...@my-dejanews.com
jello biafra or henry rollins. but think of it this way: you could probably
say all the things they say, mabey better. set up your own spoken word
gigs..make flyers, talk to the local clubs and coffee shops, who knows, you
too could 'blow minds for a living.' or mabey not. havent you been a
hankering too spill out all the wrath, bile and irreverant politics that have
been festering inside your guts for ages? yeah, you can find everything your
faviroute punk band sings about at..the fucking local libraery. do some
research. write your local paper. peace, ton ton. ps: im looking for a few
smart punks to corrospond with. im into: noam chomsky, h.r. giger, carlos
castanada, of course jello biafra, and (duh) crass and conflict..my zine is
allmost done. wanna contribuate? ok, see ya later alligator.
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Converse56
If you'd like, you could go to my website
(http://members.xoom.com/denouement/mankind.html). I have a couple of things
I've written in the "Me" section of the page. Feel free to use whatever the
heck you want. Just make sure you send me an e-mail, telling me what you're
going to use, asking about credits, props, shout-outs, etc. If it's an e-zine,
I'd also like to get a copy (being the Napoleonic Megalomaniac that I am) of
whatever zines I appear in. I hope the drivel that I kick out is worthy of
your zine.
I have a watch with a minute-hand,
David S Myrmidon
"I believe in anarchy
I want to fukshitup"
-Man's Denouement
Barbara Slade
> allmost done. wanna contribuate?
>
Not until you learn to spell, punctuate *and* use the basic rules of English
syntax. I've spent far too much time and money learning my craft, thanks. (4
years of Hons. BA in EngLit, 7 1/2 months of MA in Language and
Professional/Technical Writing of a 12 month course)
People who actually *can* write, however, are invited to submit thoughts and
articles to me (horsefe...@hotmail.com) for a zine I'm trying to put
together, _Sleep Fiercely: The Superpredator's Journal_.
Bitchily yours, apparently,
Thed
Fraudigy
>> allmost done. wanna contribuate?
>>
>
>Not until you learn to spell, punctuate *and* use the basic rules of English
>syntax. I've spent far too much time and money learning my craft, thanks.
whoa my. the "my zine is almost done" thing was probably from me, and i feel
really insignificant now.
*stop*clinging*to*your*roles*as*though*they*can*keep*you*from*falling*
http://come.to/PROMQUEENinc
*stop*clinging*to*your*roles*as*though*they*can*keep*you*from*falling*
mat catastrophe
>> ..my zine is
>> allmost done. wanna contribuate?
>>
>
>Not until you learn to spell, punctuate *and* use the basic rules of English
>syntax. I've spent far too much time and money learning my craft, thanks. (4
>years of Hons. BA in EngLit, 7 1/2 months of MA in Language and
>Professional/Technical Writing of a 12 month course)
>
ooh. touch you, eh? so, a person's writing is only valid if it follows
all the accepted rules of form and style? in that case, i suppose you'll
ignore me because i am too damn lazy to reach for the "shift" key except
for special characters.
besides, what kind of a big deal is it to tell us that you had to be
taught how to write? maybe it's just me, but i thought some of us were
born with it.
>People who actually *can* write, however, are invited to submit thoughts and
>articles to me (horsefe...@hotmail.com) for a zine I'm trying to put
>together, _Sleep Fiercely: The Superpredator's Journal_.
>
i think i'd rather read something that has problems in syntax, thanks all
the same. and i'd probably rather write for something along the same
lines.
if you recall, tom paine didn't succeed by writing in the style of the
elites, he wrote in common "tavern house" style that the *common* man
could read and understand, a model that far too many have forgotten and
far too few can even manage today.
as long as the ideas that someone wants to communicate all able to cut
through the noise (in the SMR model of communiction, there is noise that
interferes at every level, doncha know?), then it stands that the message
is still valid.
spelling and other such trappings of proper english belong buried in the
past, along with any writer that sacrifices *feeling* for technical
prowess.
i do wish your project well, but please refrain from dissing those with
less of an education, but perhaps more heart.
mat(!!!)
http://freespeech.org/mat
"my brain is a hand grenade, catch"
---Ice-T
p.s. at least it wasn't one of those AOL jackoffs ThAt WrITe Lik3 ThIS
BeCAusE TheY THinK iTs CoOl....now *that* is a noise that i hate....
The Philosopher's Stone
>p.s. at least it wasn't one of those AOL jackoffs ThAt WrITe Lik3 ThIS
>BeCAusE TheY THinK iTs CoOl....now *that* is a noise that i hate....
I buy a "C" or a "Q"?
You're right though, it is an AOL phenomena :-)
Jonathan McCalmont ~ Thoth(at)jmccalmont(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk
Guerilla Epistemologist - Quixotic deviant - World's greatest liar.
Converse56
syntax"
Now, there's an intelligent response. "It's wrong to bash on somebody just cuz
they use bad grammer. However, I don't think I want to read something that has
good grammar." What's wrong with that statement? I mean, as somebody else on
this thread said, it's the idea, and not the text. If it's perfect English, if
it's American English, if it's the King's English, or it it's a series of 1's
and 0's, if it's a good idea, one should read it. That, Matt, is the idea I
got from you at first. Then, though, you say you'd prefer to read a message w/
poor syntax. Make up your mind, please. Either you're completely open-minded
about the way people write, or you have some bias against people with proper
English. It is not cool, though, in my mind, to be one way in the first
paragraph, and then the other way in another. Incidentally, I think someone
can have an education _and_ a heart. Not to say that you don't, but it is
entirely possible.
Barbara Slade
mat catastrophe schrieb:
> ooh. touch you, eh?
Yeah, how many professional publications do you have, huh? How many professional
writers have told you that you have excellent things to say, and say them very well
to boot? So I've spent some time and money getting an education. I could write
before I ever started doing the real professional stuff, but it takes more than
"heart" (DamnYankees notwithstanding) to do anything with it. So maybe you can
bleat something out like an illiterate savage. If I want people to listen to me
(and I do) I have to project an image of being someone credible and worthy of
respect. Certain kinds of writing, I agree, *can't* be taught. You weren't born
with anything, except maybe an ego the size of Nunavut. Come to dwell on it, none
of us were born with the ability to even lift our heads.
Thomas Paine had far better syntax than you'll ever hope to have. Even Hunter S.
Thomson and James Joyce at least knew what they were doing before they started
playing with the rules. Even Picasso started out doing realism. You can't hope to
become any good at surrealism or impressionism (of any sort) until you've mastered
the basics. Moreover, you have to be very, very good at what you do before you can
bend the rules and succeed.
> and i'd probably rather write for something along the same lines.
Then I feel sorry for you, because you'll be preaching to the choir all your life,
and never reach the people who really matter.
> he wrote in common "tavern house" style that the *common* man
> could read and understand,
You don't write like Paine, sorry. Go read some _Rambler_ columns, too.
> spelling and other such trappings of proper english belong buried in the
> past, along with any writer that sacrifices *feeling* for technical
> prowess.
It's customary for a workman, crafter or artisan to be familiar with the tools of
their trade. I druther make a living doing what I do than be a dilettante for the
rest of my life.
You don't come across as conveying any feeling but bitterness and a bit of
jealousy. Too bad for you. I can code-switch if I need to, but I don't choose
to. You know, I could come on here as another person and write so you'd never know
it was me. Meanwhile, I'm getting published and filling up my portfolio with
really cool anti-government stuff (anti-Harris t-shirts at this moment), not to
mention a whole slough of other projects. I do the NGs for fun.
> i do wish your project well, but please refrain from dissing those with
> less of an education, but perhaps more heart.
Since you've never even read any of my actual work, I will simply assume that you
weren't thinking about having ventured an opinion with no facts, and leave it at
that.
> p.s. at least it wasn't one of those AOL jackoffs ThAt WrITe Lik3 ThIS
> BeCAusE TheY THinK iTs CoOl....now *that* is a noise that i hate....
Hacker idiolect, on the other hand...
Thed
Barbara Slade
> You're right though, it is an AOL phenomena :-)
>
Thass 'cause all them AOLers think they's power users, so they gotta copy
the hackers. Or something.
PE@ce, d00dZ,
Thed
Medieval Knievel
Barbara Slade wrote in message <36FC5B2E...@ionline.net>...
>
>
>> You're right though, it is an AOL phenomena :-)
>>
>
it's always fun to rag on AOL users, but although I despise AOL, most of my
family uses it..they are the walmart of the internet and personally, I find
their "user friendly" interfaces and features assume that the user is
stupid, especially the little "you've got mail" and "goodbye" sounds...who
is that guy anyway? does he make a good living recording AOL wav files?
How do I get to be the voice of AOL?
--
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Matt
<celt...@ionline.net> wrote:
> Yeah, how many professional publications do you have, huh? How many
professional
> writers have told you that you have excellent things to say, and say
them very well
> to boot?
While you have a fair point, you don't present it in a persuasive manner.
Instead you come off as elitist and arrogant--you know, bragging about
your academic credentials and your alleged accomplishments. How are you
going to persuade people to improve their writing by insulting them and
making them feel inferior? It looks like you are more concerned about
stroking your ego than you are about defending the English language.
I think wontonton should try to improve his writing. I could stand his
style for a few paragraphs, but thereafter his jumbled thoughts and bad
grammer would repel me. The rules of English are meant to *help*
communication; they of course can be broken, but not because the writer is
too lazy to follow them. Besides, you make it seem as though you need an
education or approval by elites to be a good writer.
That's bullshit.
Anyone can be a good writer--it's just a matter of putting thought into
what you write. I suggest wontonton or anyone else interested read George
Orwell's "Politics and the English Language":
http://www.newspeak.org/orwell/patee.html
* not that this is necessarily an example of good writing
--
Matt
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Matt
conve...@aol.com.chortle (Converse56) wrote:
> Mat Catastrophe: "i think i'd rather read something that has problems in
> syntax"
>
> Now, there's an intelligent response. "It's wrong to bash on somebody
just cuz
> they use bad grammer. However, I don't think I want to read something
that has
> good grammar." What's wrong with that statement? I mean, as somebody else on
> this thread said, it's the idea, and not the text. If it's perfect
English, if
> it's American English, if it's the King's English, or it it's a series of 1's
> and 0's, if it's a good idea, one should read it. That, Matt, is the idea I
> got from you at first. Then, though, you say you'd prefer to read a
message w/
> poor syntax. Make up your mind, please. Either you're completely open-minded
> about the way people write, or you have some bias against people with proper
> English.
There's nothing hypocritical about being open-minded and having your own
preferences.
Similarly, I could say: It's wrong to bash someone for being gay.
However, I don't want to have sex with men.
Do I have to be gay to support tolerance for gay people? If I am liberal
with my judgements about grammar, am I wrong to prefer one style over
another?
Tolerance does not mean you have to like everything equally.
JaWar39613
>>
>
>the hackers. Or something.
>
>PE@ce, d00dZ,
>
>Thed
You wouldn't believe how stupid people on AOL are. I swear you can tell how
ignorant they are by the way they type. About 95% of the people who show up in
the punk chat rooms are more concerned with Blink 182 or Mxpx "sucking", rather
than our current social problems.
-Jay
Medieval Knievel
JaWar39613 wrote in message >You wouldn't believe how stupid people on AOL
are. I swear you can tell how
>ignorant they are by the way they type. About 95% of the people who show up
in
>the punk chat rooms are more concerned with Blink 182 or Mxpx "sucking",
rather
>than our current social problems.
>
sometimes I long for the 80's, when punk was unpopular (at least in my town)
and I didn't have to endure the bandwagon rider type of punks who will be
into something else next year...hopefully, some of these guys will figure
out what it's about and stick with the philosophy of punk that isn't part of
the MTV version...
pete
wont...@my-dejanews.com
"pete" <le...@mealone.blech> wrote:
> so hey, where can we read some of your stuff?
eureka, ca 95502
Odis T. Corodus
>
>
>JaWar39613 wrote in message >You wouldn't believe how stupid people on AOL
>are. I swear you can tell how
>>ignorant they are by the way they type. About 95% of the people who show up
>in
>>the punk chat rooms are more concerned with Blink 182 or Mxpx "sucking",
>rather
>>than our current social problems.
>>
>
>
>sometimes I long for the 80's, when punk was unpopular (at least in my town)
>and I didn't have to endure the bandwagon rider type of punks who will be
>into something else next year...hopefully, some of these guys will figure
>out what it's about and stick with the philosophy of punk that isn't part of
>the MTV version...
this is a popular view of many people these days.. ill admit i used to be the
same way, but lately ive tried to be above it.. if some kids in a club lets
say and your hatin on him cuz hes a bandwagon jumper and as you say you wished
thet figure out what its really about, theyre never going to if all you show
them is hate and hostility.. but anyway by now most of the sheep have started
rockin the hip hop flavor, and those that still like punk even blink 182 like
it because they associate with something they say or a feeling they get when
they listen to them and theres nothing wrong with that even if blink 182 isnt
your idea of punk.
odis