MUHAMMAD IS THE CREATOR LAST MESSENGER, NOT THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM
arah
BY SUMAYYAH MEEHAN (Living Islam)
http://www.iluvislam.com/v1/readarticle.php?article_id=938
21 March 2008
THE Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) name has yet again been in the media as
of late due to the republication of the offense Danish cartoon
caricatures that continue to be used to taunt Muslims and tarnish the
good name of the final messenger (pbuh).
As I watched the recent protests unfold on live television from
Muslims around the world in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other nations, I
became increasingly irritated with the broadcaster's commentary. She
kept referring to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as the 'founder' of
Islam. And even her interviewees responded in a similar fashion by
also referring to him as the 'founder' of Islam.
To imply that Muhammad (pbuh) founded Islam or created it is a gross
and reprehensible lie that quite often is used by the enemies of Islam
to water-down the impact that Muhammad's (pbuh) prophethood had on the
entire world. This world has never seen a greater man, prophet,
father, statesman, politician, orator, warrior, commander, friend,
teacher or confidant than Muhammad (pbuh).
The simple fact remains that centuries after Muhammad's (pbuh) death,
Islam runs strong with people converting every single day because the
message of Allah in the Holy Quran rings true and is enticing to the
seekers of all that is good in this world. The founder of Islam is
actually Allah Almighty. Allah chose Muhammad (pbuh) to be the final
Prophet sent to this world to give both a warning and glad tidings.
Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran:
"Allah knows best with whom to place His Message." (6:124)
Anyone who reads a biography of Muhammad's (pbuh) life can see that
his prophethood was crystal clear from the time when he was in his
mother's womb until he received his mission at the age of 40.
Muhammad's (pbuh) mother Amina became a widow before he was even born
as her husband died in a trade caravan. Even before his birth, Amina
noted that her belly often emitted a light and she knew that her baby
would somehow be special. Muhammad's (pbuh) mother would die when he
was six-years old and he would be sent to live with his grandfather
until he died and then his uncle Abu Talib. The only thing Muhammad
(pbuh) knew was loss as he was made an orphan thrice before he even
reached puberty. The signs of Muhammad's (pbuh) prophethood were
always there. Once on a journey with his uncle to a monastery, a
Christian monk witnessed a strange event. As Muhammad (pbuh) walked
the sun never touched him. He was walking under a shade of which there
was no viable source and the monk likened the shape of the shade to
the wings of an angel. On the same trip, the monk noticed a mark
centered perfectly between Muhammad's (pbuh) shoulder blades and he
told Abu Talib that past prophet's had the same mark. To know Muhammad
(pbuh) was to love him. He was honest, kind and trustworthy. His
profession was as a Shepard tending to his uncle's flock however
Muhammad (pbuh) had a knack as a merchant. He began doing trade work
for a wealthy widow named Khadijah. She was so pleased with his
success that she asked for his hand in marriage even though she was
much older than Muhammad (pbuh), about 15 years. Muhammad (pbuh) was
25 years old and accepted her proposal. He could have most assuredly
kicked his feet up and lived off of his wife's wealth. But that was
not his nature. Muhammad (pbuh) often spent days on end in a cave
called Hira pondering upon this world and the creation of it. Muhammad
(pbuh) did not believe the idols that his clansman worshipped had any
power but he knew there was a creator somewhere. Then one night Allah
sent the angel Jibreel to tell Muhammad (pbuh) that he was the final
messenger (pbuh). Muhammad (pbuh) was so scared at seeing the vision
of the angel and feeling his iron-tight embrace as he commanded this:
"READ! In the name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),
has created man from a clot of congealed blood. READ! And your Lord is
the most Generous..." (96:1-3)
But soon after the fear subsided, Muhammad (pbuh) stood tall and began
delivering Allah's message to any heart that would openly hear it.
Overnight, Muhammad (pbuh) went from a man that was living in the lap
of luxury to someone who was abused, beaten, spat upon, ridiculed,
humiliated and scorned. Even in death, Muhammad (pbuh) still suffers.
Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran: "And when they see you (O
Muhammad), they treat you only in mockery (saying) 'Is this the one
whom Allah has sent as a Messenger?' " (25:41)
Countless plots to assassinate Muhammad (pbuh) were undertaken and
anyone who followed his mission were either tortured or killed.
But through it all, Muhammad (pbuh) remained steady in delivering the
word of Allah to the people and he had Allah with him all along the
way. The message of Allah in the Holy Quran and Sunnah of Muhammad
(pbuh) cannot be distorted or thwarted in anyway no matter how many
cartoons are drawn or lies against Muhammad (pbuh) concocted.
However, the message will continue to grow and attract the
intelligence of people who seek the truth with their eyes wide open
instead of a mouth open so wide that it swallows whatever is 'sold' on
TV.
Sumayyah Meehan is a Kuwait-based American writer . She can be reached
at abi...@msn.com
habshi
and makes us brain dead.
AstonBarrett
> A moron prophet of a moronic religion which enslaves our women
> and makes us brain dead.
"us"
Well that explains ANY religion, especialy the wacko Hindu "religion"
that does the same thing.
Again, Anybody that believes in "gods" is a moron.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Muhammad is Allah's Last Messenger, not the 'founder' of Islam
> BY SUMAYYAH MEEHAN (Living Islam)http://www.iluvislam.com/v1/readarticle.php?article_id=938
Look, it is no use cutting and pasting unless you are willing to
discuss. Please show me why you think Mohammad was the messenger from
God. Does Koran say anywhere that God Himself spoke to Mohammad? Can
you show me where God came personally and said or taught anything in
Koran? One verse may be?
ARAH
compare Women in Islam Vs JudeoChristian vs Women in Hindu
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/w_islam/
ARAH
Thank you tripulant.
Let us analyze the following verses:
2:1 Alif. Lam. Mim. [1]
2:2 THIS DIVINE WRIT - let there be no doubt about it is [meant to be]
a guidance for all the God-conscious. [2]
2:3 Who believe in [the existence of] that which is beyond the reach
of human perception, [3] and are constant in prayer, and spend on
others out of what We provide for them as sustenance; [4]
2:4 And who believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon
thee, [O Prophet,] as well as in that which was bestowed before thy
time: [5] for it is they who in their innermost are certain of the
life to come!
2:5 It is they who follow the guidance [which comes from their
Sustainer; and it is they, they who' shall attain to a happy state!
2:6 BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth [6] - it is
all one to them whether thou warnest them or dost not warn them: they
will not believe.
2:7 God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their
eyes is a veil; [7] and awesome suffering awaits them.
2:8 And there are people who say, "We do believe in God and the Last
Day," the while they do not [really]. believe.
2:9 They would deceive God and those who have attained to faith-the
while they deceive none but themselves, and perceive it not.
2:10 In their hearts is disease, and so God lets their disease
increase; and grievous suffering awaits them because of their
persistent lying. [8]
2:11 And when they are told, "Do not spread corruption on earth," they
answer, "We are but improving things!"
2:12 Oh, verily, it is they, they who are spreading corruption but
they perceive it not? [9]
2:13 And when they are told, "Believe as other people believe," they
answer, "Shall we believe as the weak-minded believe?" Oh, verily, it
is they, they who are weak-minded -but they know it not!
2:14 And when they meet those who have attained to faith, they assert,
"We believe [as you believe]"; but when they find themselves alone
with their- evil impulses, [10] they say, "Verily, we are with you; we
were only mocking!"
2:15 God will requite them for their mockery, [11] and will leave them
for a while in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and
fro:
2:16 [for] it is they who have taken error in exchange for guidance;
and neither has their bargain brought them gain, nor have they found
guidance [elsewhere].
2:17 Their parable is that of people who kindle a fire: but as soon as
it has illumined all around them, God takes away their light and
leaves them in utter darkness, wherein they cannot see:
2:18 Deaf, dumb, blind - and they cannot turn back.
2:19 Or [the parable] of a violent cloudburst in the sky, with utter
darkness, thunder and lightning: they put their fingers into their
ears to keep out the peals of thunder, in terror of death; but God
encompasses [with His might] all who deny the truth.
2:20 The lightning well-nigh takes away their sight; whenever it gives
them light, they advance therein, and whenever darkness falls around
them, they stand still. And if God so willed, He could indeed take
away their hearing and their sight: [12] for, verily, God has the
power to will anything.
2:21 O MANKIND! Worship your Sustainer, who has created you and those
who lived before you, so that you might remain conscious of Him
2:22 who has made the earth a resting-place for you and the sky a
canopy, and has sent down water from the sky and thereby brought forth
fruits for your sustenance: do not, then, claim that there is any
power that could rival God, [13] when you know [that He is One].
2:23 And if you doubt any part of what We have, bestowed from on high,
step by step, upon Our servant [Muhammad], [14] then produce a surah
of similar merit, and call upon any other than God to bear witness for
you [15] -if what you say is true!
2:24 And if you cannot do it-and most certainly you cannot do it-then
be conscious of the fire whose fuel is human beings and stones [16]
which awaits all who deny the truth!
2:25 But unto those who have attained to faith and do good works give
the glad tiding that theirs shall be gardens through which running
waters flow. Whenever they are granted fruits there from as their
appointed sustenance, they will say, "It is this that in days of yore
was granted to us as our sustenance!"-for they shall be given
something that will recall that [past]. [17] And there shall they have
spouses pure, and there shall they abide.
If you want more, kindly visit the following web pages
http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
I am willing to discuss or if you can prove that the Quran is not the
Creator's words.
Cheers
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Thank you tripulant.
>
> Let us analyze the following verses:
>
> 2:1 Alif. Lam. Mim. [1]
>
I just wanted verse or verses which say God spoke to Mohammad
directly. These verses talk *about* God. They do not seem to be *from
God directly to Mohammad*. Did God identify Himself and appear before
Mohammad and speak and teach? If not, why not?Where are these verses
from and what is the proof of their origin? In short, what is the
origin of Koran and what is the evidence from *within the koran that
it is from God directly*. Please reply
tripur...@yahoo.com
> I hope you are smart and intelligent enough to read, analyze and
> compare Women in Islam Vs JudeoChristian vs Women in Hindu
>
This article has nothing to do with Hinduism at all
ARAH
Now let us compare Women in Islam Vs Women in Hinduism
Status of Hindu Women VS Muslim Women
The Hindu Woman:
1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within
her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
bridegroom/family.
4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the
bridegroom/family.
5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated
with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly
punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
6. She cannot remarry.
7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in
public. She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She should not
even take part in her children's marriage!)
8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
The Muslim Woman:
1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all
matters including divorce.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other
religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own
separate business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose
a partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not
the other way around as is practiced by some ignorant Muslims).
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is
the responsibility of the Muslim society.
6.Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism
creeping in society.
7. A Muslim mother is given the highest form of respect.
What right do the Hindus have to criticize the Muslims? Have you ever
heard of a Muslim burning his wife? In parts of India women die daily
of dowry deaths - Hindu women being burnt by the husband or in-laws.
The Brahmins are trying to claim that Muslims do not give freedom to
their women. I ask you again. "Do the Hindus respect their women?"
You be the judge.
Experience of a Converted Hindu Woman
My Experiences and How I Find that Islam does not Oppress Women
by by Sister Noor
I came from a purely Hindu family where we were always taught to
regard ourselves (i.e. women) as beings who were eventually to be
married off and have children and serve the husband - whether he was
kind or not. Other than this I found that there were a lot of things
which really oppressed women, such as:
* If a woman was widowed, she would always have to wear a
white sari (costume), eat vegetarian meals, cut her hair short, and
never re-marry. The bride always had to pay the dowry (bridal money)
to the husband's family. And the husband could ask for anything,
irrespective of whether the bride would have difficulty giving it.
* Not only that, if after marriage she was not able to pay
the full dowry she would be both emotionally and physically tortured,
and could end up being a victim of "kitchen death" where the husband,
or both the mother-in-law and the husband try to set fire to the wife
while she is cooking or is in the kitchen, and try to make it look
like an accidental death. More and more of these instances are taking
place. The daughter of a friend of my own father's had the same fate
last year!
* In addition to all this, men in Hinduism are treated
literally as among the gods. In one of the religious Hindu
celebrations, unmarried girls pray for and worship an idol
representing a particular god (Shira) so that they may have husbands
like him. Even my own mother had asked me to do this. This made me see
that the Hindu religion which is based on superstitions and things
that have no manifest proof , but were merely traditions which
oppressed women could not be right.
Subsequently, when I came to England to study, I thought that at
least this is a country which gives equal rights to men and women, and
does not oppress them. We all have the freedom to do as we like, I
thought. Well, as I started to meet people and make new friends, learn
about this new society, and go to all the places my friends went to in
order to "socialise" (bars, dance halls, etc.). I realised that this
"equality" was not so true in practice as it was in theory.
Outwardly, women were seen to be given equal rights in education,
work, and so forth, but in reality women were still oppressed in a
different, more subtle way. When I went with my friends to those
places they hung out at, I found everybody interested to talk to me
and I thought that was normal. But it was only later that I realised
how naïve I was, and recognised what these people were really looking
for. I soon began to feel uncomfortable, as if I was not myself: I had
to dress in a certain way so that people would like me, and had to
talk in a certain way to please them. I soon found that I was feeling
more and more uncomfortable, less and less myself, yet I could not get
out. Everybody was saying they were enjoying themselves, but I don't
call this enjoying.
I think women in this way of life are oppressed; they have to
dress in a certain way in order to please and appear more appealing,
and also talk in a certain way so people like them. During this time I
had not thought about Islam, even though I had some Muslim
acquaintances. But I felt I really had to do something, to find
something that I would be happy and secure with, and would feel
respected with. Something to believe in that is the right belief,
because everybody has a belief that they live according to. If having
fun by getting off with other people is someone's belief, they do
this. If making money is someone's belief, they do everything to
achieve this. If they believe drinking is one way to enjoy life then
they do it. But I feel all this leads to nowhere; no one is truly
satisfied, and the respect women are looking for is diminishing in
this way.
In these days of so called "society of equal rights", you are
expected to have a boyfriend (or you're weird!) and to not be a
virgin. So this is a form of oppression even though some women do not
realise it. When I came to Islam, it was obvious that I had finally
found permanent security. A religion, a belief that was so complete
and clear in every aspect of life. Many people have a misconception
that Islam is an oppressive religion, where women are covered from
head to toe, and are not allowed any freedom or rights. In fact, women
in Islam are given more rights, and have been for the past 1400 years,
compared to the only-recently rights given to non-Muslim women in some
western and some other societies. But there are, even now, societies
where women are still oppressed, as I mentioned earlier in relation to
Hindu women.
Muslim women have the right to inheritance. They have the right to
run their own trade and business. They have the full right to
ownership, property, disposal over their wealth to which the husband
has no right. They have the right to education, a right to refuse
marriage as long as this refusal is according to reasonable and
justifiable grounds. The Qur'an itself, which is the Word of God,
contains many verses commanding men to be kind to their wives and
stressing the rights of women. Islam gives the right set of rules,
because they are NOT made by men, but made by God; hence it is a
perfect religion.
Quite often Muslim women are asked why they are covered from head
to toe, and are told that this is oppression - it is not. In Islam,
marriage is an important part of life, the making of the society.
Therefore, a woman should not go around showing herself to everybody,
only for her husband. Even the man is not allowed to show certain
parts of his body to none but his wife. In addition, God has commanded
Muslim women to cover themselves for their modesty:
"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of
the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their bodies (when
outdoors). That is most convenient that they could be known as such
(i.e. decent and chaste) and not molested." (Qur'an 33:59)
If we look around at any other society, we find that in the
majority of cases women are attacked and molested because of how they
are dressed. Another point I'd like to comment on is that the rules
and regulation laid down in Islam by God do not apply just to women
but to men also. There is no intermingling and free-running between
men and women for the benefit of both. Whatever God commands is right,
wholesome, pure and beneficial to mankind; there is no doubt about
that. A verse in the Qur'an explains this concept clearly:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and
protect their private parts (i.e. from indecency, illegal sexual acts,
etc.); that will make for greater purity for them. And God is well
aware of what they do. And say to the believing women that they should
lower their gaze and protect their private parts (from indecency,
illegal sexual intercourse, etc.); and that they should not display
their beauty and ornaments . . . " (Qur'an, Surah Al-Nur 24:31)
When I put on my hijab (veil), I was really happy to do it. In
fact, I really want to do it. When I put on the hijab, I felt a great
sense of satisfaction and happiness. Satisfied that I had obeyed God's
command. And happy with the good and blessings that come with it. I
have felt secure and protected. In fact people respect me more for it.
I could really see the difference in behaviour towards me.
Finally, I'd like to say that I had accepted Islam not blindly, or
under any compulsion. In the Qur'an itself there is a verse which says
"Let there be no compulsion in religion". I accepted Islam with
conviction. I have seen, been there, done that, and seen both sides of
the story. I know and have experienced what the other side is like,
and I know that I have done the right thing. Islam does not oppress
women, but rather Islam liberates them and gives them the respect they
deserve. Islam is the religion God has chosen for the whole of
mankind. Those who accept it are truly liberated from the chains and
shackles of mankind whose ruling and legislating necessitates nothing
but the oppression of one group by another and the exploitation and
oppression of one sex by the other. This is not the case of Islam
which truly liberated women and gave them an individuality not given
by any other authority.
Sister Noor embraced Islam while an undergraduate studying in the
Department of Biology at the University of Essex, U. K.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> You are right tripurant, sorry I missed that.
>
> Now let us compare Women in Islam Vs Women in Hinduism
>
> Status of Hindu Women VS Muslim Women
>
> The Hindu Woman:
> 1. The Hindu Woman has no right to divorce her husband.
Hindu marriage is not a joke to be dissolved. The husband also cannot
divorce and undo a pledge made before God. However if some woman wants
to leave her husband, divorce by law and remarry, she can but it is
considered lowly behaviour ( see Manu). To understand Hinduism you
have to have patience.
Hinduism generally does not lay down *rigid rules* and allows a lot
of flexibility such as above. Something will be recommended strongly
but exceptions are allowed for those who are weak minded
> 2. She has no property or inheritance rights.
Wrong. Hindu women have all rights!
> She used to take her inheritance as a dowry , but it is now illegal
> and she gets an equal share
You are talking about "law" and not religion.
>
> 3. Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within
> her own caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
> bridegroom/family.
Not true at all. Not required by religion. You are talking about
social customs! You should know the difference between law,social
custom and what is required by religion. Caste is *not religion* at
all. Caste is purely a social custom!
> 4. The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the
> bridegroom/family.
Social custom!
>
> 5. If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated
> with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly
> punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
Sati is not a religious observance at all. No scripture ever says
that. In fact all three mothers of Lord Rama lived after father died.
You should study more instead of just blabbering. Many women chose to
die with her husband because of love or fear of humiliation by
muslims who used to capture and rape them like Safia Bint Huyay,
Ruhana and concubines of Mohammad. See Koran 33-50 and other verses
for "what the right hand possesses" a term for raping captured women
( nonmuslim women). In the face of such possibility and maltreatment
by enemies, she chose to die. Nowadays in Free India this is rare.
Even in British India it was rare. It was common when muslims were
there. However it was a social custom. You should find out how the
term Sati arose. Homework for you to do
>
> 6. She cannot remarry.
See above. She can
>
> 7. The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in
> public. She cannot wear jewelry or colourful clothes. (She should not
> even take part in her children's marriage!)
Wrong. Widows are considered to be saints, devoted to God and to
prevent their illtreatement by others, they were encouraged to make
themselves less appealing physically. Otherwise others preyed on them.
Have you heard of Indira Gandhi?
>
> 8. Child and infant marriage is encouraged.
Child marriage was their in India before, now banned. However it was
just a ritual only and the girl and boy lived separately with their
parents till their teens when they lived together!
>
> The Muslim Woman:
>
> 1.The Muslim woman has the same right as the Muslim man in all
> matters including divorce.
>
> 2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other
> religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own
> separate business.
>
> 3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose
> a partner for her, her consent must be taken.
Look, let me tell you. Muslims women do not have any freedom! They are
prisoners. They do not have property but half. Talaq is only for wen
and if the woman wants to walk away from him and kids, she can!
Her witness is half. He can beat her up!
Who told you she has choice? What choice does a nine year old have.
See Wafa Sultan on You tube on "why I left islam" She talks about her
cousin who was married at age ten to her cousin 40 and she later
committed suicide at 25 with four kids. Choice? Ayatollah married a
ten year old at age 29. Choice? Tell some one else
No point in wasting time on islam. You will produce "evidence" of this
Hindu converting and that Hindu converting etc. We know these web
hoaxes.
Just see You tube for exmuslim women in UK and what they say. See
Ali Sina's web page also, faithfreedom.org, I think
tripur...@yahoo.com
Any reply to this or will you just keep quiet? Show me verses where
God spoke to Mohammad directly and answer the above
ARAH
points.
ARAH
Allah.
http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
17:1 LIMITLESS in His glory is He who transported His servant by night
from the Inviolable House of Worship [at Mecca] to the Remote House of
Worship [,at Jerusalem] - the environs of which We had blessed [1] -so
that We might show him some of Our symbols: for, verily, He alone is
all-hearing, all-seeing. [2]
17:2 And [thus, too,] We vouchsafed revelation unto Moses, [3] and
made it a [source of] guidance for the children of Israel, [commanding
them:] "Do not ascribe to any but Me the power to determine your fate,
[4]
17:3 O you descendants of those whom We caused to be borne (in the
ark] with Noah! Behold, he was a most grateful servant (of Ours]!"
17:4 And we made [this] known to the children of Israel through
revelation: [5] Twice, indeed, will you spread corruption on earth and
will indeed become grossly overbearing! [6]
17:5 Hence, when the prediction of the first of those two [periods of
iniquity] came true, We sent against you some of Our bondmen of
terrible prowess in war, and they wrought havoc throughout the land:
and so the prediction was fulfilled. [7]
17:6 And after a time We allowed you to prevail against them once
again, [8] and aided you with wealth and offspring, and made you more
numerous [than ever].
17:7 [And We said:] "If you persevere in doing good, you will but be
doing good to yourselves; and if you do evil, it will be [done] to
yourselves." And so, when the prediction of the second [period of your
iniquity] came true, [We raised new enemies against you, and allowed
them] to disgrace you utterly, [9] and to enter the Temple as [their
forerunners] had entered it once before, and to destroy with utter
destruction all that they had conquered.
17:8 Your Sustainer may well show mercy unto you; but if you revert
[to sinning], We shall revert [to chastising you]. And [remember
this:] We have ordained that [in the hereafter] hell shall close upon
all who deny the truth.
17:9 VERILY, this Qur'an shows the way to all that is most upright,
[10] and gives the believers who do good deeds the glad tiding that
theirs will be a great reward;
17:10 and [it announces, too,] that We have readied grievous suffering
for those who will not believe in the life to come.
17:11 As it is, [11] man [often] prays for things that are bad as if
he were praying for something that is good: [12] for man is prone to
be hasty [in his judgments].
17:12 And We have established the night and the day as two symbols;
[13] and thereupon We have effaced the symbol of night and set up [in
its place] the light giving symbol of day, [14] so that you might seek
to obtain your Sustainer's bounty and be aware of the passing years
[15] and of the reckoning [that is bound to come]. For clearly, most
clearly, have We spelt out everything! [16]
17:13 And every human being's destiny have We tied to his neck; [17]
and on the Day of Resurrection We shall bring forth for him a record
which he will find wide open;
17:14 [and he will be told:] "Read this thy record,! Sufficient is
thine own self today to make out thine account!" [18]
17:15 Whoever chooses to follow the right path, follows it but for his
own good; and whoever goes astray. goes but astray to his own hurt;
and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another" burden. [19]
Moreover. We would never chastise [any community for the wrong they
may do[ ere We have sent an apostle [to them]. [20]
17:16 But when [this has been done, and] it is Our will to destroy a
community, We convey Our last warning [21] to those of its people who
have lost themselves entirely in the pursuit of pleasures; [22] and
[if] they [continue to] act sinfully, the sentence [of doom] passed on
the community takes effect, and We break it to smithereens.
17:17 And how many a generation have We [thus] destroyed after [the
time of] Noah! For, none has the like of thy Sustainer's awareness and
insight into His creatures' sins.
17:18 Unto him who cares for [no more than the enjoyment of] this
fleeting life We readily grant thereof as much as We please, [giving]
to whomever it is Our will [to give]; but in the end We consign him to
[the suffering of] hell; [23] which he will have to endure disgraced
and disowned!
17:19 But as for those who care for the [good of the] life to come,
and strive for it as it ought to be striven for, and are [true]
believers withal [24] -they are the ones whose striving finds favour
[with God]!
17:20 All [of them] -these as well as those -do We freely endow with
some of thy Sustainer's gifts, since thy Sustainer's giving is never
confined [to one kind of man].
17:21 Behold how We bestow [on earth) more bounty on some of them than
on others: but [remember that] the life to come will be far higher in
degree and far greater in merit and bounty. [25]
17:22 DO NOT set up any other deity side by side with God, lest thou
find thyself disgraced and forsaken:
17:23 for thy Sustainer has ordained that you shall worship none but
Him. And do good unto [thy] parents. [26] Should one of them, or both,
attain to old age in thy care, never say "Ugh" [27] to them or scold
them, but [always] speak unto them with reverent speech,
17:24 and spread over them humbly the wings of thy tenderness, [28]
and say: "O my Sustainer! Bestow Thy grace upon them, even as they
cherished and reared me when I was a child!"
17:25 Your Sustainer is fully aware of what is in your hearts. If you
are righteous, [He will forgive you your errors]: [29] for, behold, He
is much-forgiving to those who turn unto Him again and again.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> I hope you can quote from the Hindu Scriptures to prove all your
> points.
How can I prove from scripture that sati was not there when it is not
there. Like saying scriptures do not talk of football. People play
football! So what!
Religion is religion. Law is different. See Manu for Law about widows
etc but now no one follows Manu anyway. Now we follow saints.
.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> You can read this surah Al Isra, where Muhammad spoke directly with
> Allah.
>
> http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
>
> 17:1 LIMITLESS in His glory is He who transported His servant by night
> from the Inviolable House of Worship [at Mecca] to the Remote House of
> Worship [,at Jerusalem] - the environs of which We had blessed [1] -so
> that We might show him some of Our symbols: for, verily, He alone is
> all-hearing, all-seeing. [2]
>
So you say these verses are from God directly to Mohammad? God
appeared before Mohammad and said these to Mohammad? God says"
limitless in *His* glory (third person), He (third person) alone is
all seeing? God speaking here in third person? Not angel? Or Mohammad?
But God speaks? watch the language through out the sura! If God spoke
He would have said"
Limitless in MY Glory, We transported... I alone am all seeing
etc.....
This is some one else talking. Just see
ARAH
Ali Sina and Wafa Sultan are not the only Muslims in this world, there
are about 2 billions more.
How about the following Priests
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/852/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI
Aviroce
father, statesman, politician, orator, warrior, commander, friend,
teacher or confidant than Muhammad (pbuh). "
On Mar 21, 3:37 am, arah <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Muhammad is Allah's Last Messenger, not the 'founder' of Islam
> BY SUMAYYAH MEEHAN (Living Islam)http://www.iluvislam.com/v1/readarticle.php?article_id=938
> at abid...@msn.com
ARAH
tripur...@yahoo.com
> My dear tripurant,
>
> Ali Sina and Wafa Sultan are not the only Muslims in this world, there
> are about 2 billions more.
>
> How about the following Priests
>
> http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/852/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn0iPlWQNlI
I know. What about Tasleema Nasreen, Ayaan Hirsi Ali etc. Anyway the
most important thing is whether you can give solid evidence koran is
from God and support your statement. I am convinced it is not from God
at all. However study Gita and see how God p[roves He is Onmipotent,
Omniscient etc. Just see and decide whether the mombojumbo from Koran
is from God or Gita is from God. See the internal consistency.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> "This world has never seen a greater man, prophet,
> father, statesman, politician, orator, warrior, commander, friend,
> teacher or confidant than Muhammad (pbuh). "
>
Just tell me how you decide koran is from God. That would do for me. I
am convinced you blindly assume it is from God
Aviroce
message.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> It is a matter of faith. What is important is the man and the
> message.
>
I congratulate you. You are the first Muslim among many I have
encountered, to admit it is just a faith! Most have pretended they are
going to bring evidence and prove to me! Congrats and may God bless
you. You are just sticking to shahada, simple. However many muslims
want others to convert, dont you think they should stop that and leave
others to their "faith"!
However you think Mohammad's life and message indicate he is a
prophet? Please explain
His life was so full of problems, I thought he could never be a
prophet
With so many bizarre things he advocated, he cannot be!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/24fq83
http://www.mantra.com/jai
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
ARAH
Dear Tripurant
Yes, If you have a mission to save the world your life will be full of
problem it happened to Abraham, Moses, Jesus and also to Muhammad.
When you have solve the problem you will have two happiness. That what
Allah teaches us.
94:1 HAVE WE NOT opened up thy heart, [1]
94:2 and lifted from thee the burden
94:3 that had weighed so heavily on thy back? [2]
94:4 And [have We not] raised thee high in dignity? [3]
94:5 And, behold, with every hardship comes ease:
94:6 verily, with every hardship comes ease!
94:7 Hence, when thou art freed [from distress], remain steadfast,
94:8 and unto thy Sustainer turn with love.
The coming of Muhammad are predicted in the Old Testament and also
Hindu Scriptures. Kindly check the
In this Sanskrit language, there is a scripture known as 'BHAVISNYA
PURANA". This is supposed to have been written by the Sage, Maha Rishi
Viyasar
In its original script:-
The translation read as follows
'A Milechar (a foreigner) will appear as a teacher of a new religion,
with the help of his friends. His name would be 'Mahamat'. A king of
this land will give great respect to his teaching; and praise him.
Cleansing himself with Ganges water and Panjagouyom, he would say, 'I
wholeheartedly follow you' He Mahamat would be devoid of all sins.
Coming from dry (desert) land, he would be very holy. He will fight
against evil forces. He will gather warriors, for this purpose. He
will give protection even to enemies'.
In this verse, the name 'Muhammad' is mentioned directly as 'Mahamat'
at the beginning of the second sentences. Also in this there is very
clear prophecy regarding Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Please note that this
verse specifically says 'Milechar' a foreigner - not an Indian - and
his name would be Mahamat.
King of this land giving great respect to Mahamat's teaching refers to
a South Indian King by name of Cheraman, who had trade contact with
Arabs and later become a Muslim at the time of Prophet Muhammad
s.a.w.
Adarva Veda is a Sanskrit Scripture that was written even before
'Bhavishya Purana'. It is known how many hundreds of years before the
birth of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was Adarva Veda written. In this
Scripture in episode (Kandam) 20, Chapter (Sutra) 127 verses (Mantra)
1, 2 and 3 reads as follow:-
Translation "Oh Mankind, listen with a complete belief: A man, who
will be of all praise, will be created amongst mankind. We shall
provide him sanctuary against his sixty thousand and ninety enemies.
He and his friends will come in twenty camels; the dust stirred by
these camels will be so much as to cover the horizon. He will give
gold, horses and cows as gifts".
1) Man of praise refers to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. in fact the actual
meaning of the Arabic word Muhammad means be praised.
2) It is known exactly how many enemies prophet Muhammad s.a.w had at
this time, but it is however established that there were thousands
3) When he and later his companion made his Hijrah (emigration) from
Makkah to Madinah, they went on camels. (No sage or saint or religious
- teacher from Indian, traveled on camels; and so, this definitely
cannot refer to anyone from India. It must refer to people who
traditionally travel on camel! And they were Arabs)
4) Whatever gold, horse and cattle that prophet Muhammad s.a.w
received, he gave away as gift to the poor and needy.
From these, it is very clear the verse in Adarva Veda prophesies the
coming of Prophet Muhammad PBUH
In another chapter of Adarva Veda - chapter 1, verse 10 - the
translation reads as follow:-
'Allah is complete. (The words Allah do appear in the original
Sanskrit text). The whole universe belongs to Him. Mahamat (here again
the word Mahamat do appear in the original text) who glorifies God's
existence is his Messenger. Oh God! Oh God! God who activated the
universe is the Creator and Sustainer of the Earth. There is only one
god, no one else.
Behold the magnitude of the Formless God! God who revealed this Adarva
Veda containing 'On Kerim', created Mankind, cattle and everything.
Pray only the Formless one - God. Mahamat, who will destroy the evil
with 'On Reem' prayer, is Allah's Messenger. There is no other god
except the Omnipresent God.' (Allobanished 1:10)
Also please note that the Adarva Veda - one of the Hindu Scripture -
also attests, or confirm, that God is only ONE; and he is Formless.
In another of the four Vedas in Rig Veda - it is said; "Mahamat who is
truthful, knowledgeable and powerful, will bless me. He is blessing
for the whole world. He is glorified with ten thousand people" (in Al-
Quran, prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is referred to as Rahamatun - lil -
Aalamin "meaning "Blessing for the whole world' -same phrase as
appears in the above quotation).
I hope you can check them in those Hindu Scriptures and confirm.
Cheers
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Dear Tripurant, 'I
>I hope you can check them in those Hindu Scriptures and confirm.
Dear Arah, I have seen these lies for a long time. There is no
Mohamamd in vedas! Bhavishya purana speaks of a foreigner from arab
lands and says he is a demon , a charlatan who will confuse people and
will be defeated ultimately. Muslims put out these "websites" all the
time and have filled the web. All lies.
Hinduism is totally different from any semitic religion. It will be
very difficult for you to understand the theology of Hindus.Especially
if you consult websites!
Dont believe these lies out out by muslims just to confuse people. All
play of words. Be rest assured I have checked them all!
Christians and Jews do not ever accept Mohammad was foretold!
Christians have claimed Jesus was foretold in the Vedaas!!!
These are cruel jokes
M. Ranjit Mathews
> Muhammad is Allah's Last Messenger, not the 'founder' of Islam
> BY SUMAYYAH MEEHAN (Living Islam)http://www.iluvislam.com/v1/readarticle.php?article_id=938
> To know Muhammad (pbuh) was to love him.
Those who plotted to assassinate him loved him?
ARAH
I have quote from the Hindu Scripture including the verse number. I
hope you will do the same by stating the quotation including the verse
number.
I agreed with you that Hindu is a difficult religion because not many
Hindu follower can understand. There are Hindu who believed in One
God, Brahim, there are Hindu who believe in three God or trinity ie
Brahim, Siva and Vishnu but there are also Hindu who believe
everything is their god including Cow, Snake, Lingam and Yoni and many
other kind of Idols.
We Muslim only believe in One and only God the same God the Creator
Abraham, Moses and Jesus believed.
Let learn what the Quran said;
Alif L'ãm M'ïm.[1] This is the Book in which there is no doubt.
(Since its Author, Allah, the Creator of this universe, possesses
complete knowledge, there is no room for doubt about its contents.) It
is a guide for those who are God conscious,[2] who believe in the
Unseen, who establish Salah (five regular daily prayers) and spend in
charity out of what We have provided for their sustenance;[3] who
believe in this Revelation (the Qur'an) which is sent to you (O
Muhammad) and the Revelations which were sent before you (Torah,
Psalms, Gospel...) and firmly believe in the Hereafter.[4] They are on
true Guidance from their Rabb and they are the ones who will attain
salvation.[5]
2:[1-5]
Al-Qur'an is free from all doubts
It is a guide for the God-conscious
In fact, as for those who reject Faith; it is the same, whether you
warn them or you don't, they will not believe.[6] Allah has sealed
their hearts and their hearing, their eyes are covered, and there is a
grievous punishment for them.[7]
2:[6-7]
Warning is of no avail for those who reject faith
SECTION: 2
There are some people who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day"
yet they are not true believers.[8] They try to deceive Allah and the
believers. However, they deceive none except themselves yet they do
not realize it.[9] There is a disease of deception in their heart; and
Allah lets their disease increase, and they shall have painful
punishment for the lies they have told.[10] When it is said to them:
"Do not make mischief on earth," they say: "We make peace."[11]
Beware! They are the ones who make mischief but they do not realize it.
[12] When they are told: "Believe as the others believe" they
sarcastically ask: "Should we believe like fools?" Be aware! They
themselves are the fools, if only they could understand.[13] When they
meet the believers they say: "We are believers," but when they are
alone with their shaitãns, they say: "We are really with you, we were
only mocking the believers."[14] Allah will throw back their mockery
on them and leave them alone in their trespasses; so they wander to
and fro like the blind.[15]
These are the people who barter guidance for error: but their bargain
is profitless and they are not going to be guided.[16]
2:[8-16]
Hypocrites and consequences of hypocrisy
Their example is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it illuminated
all around him Allah took away their light (their eyesight) and left
them in utter darkness: they could see nothing.[17] Deaf, dumb, and
blind, they will never return to the Right Way.[18] Or another example
is that of a dark storm-cloud in the sky charged with thunder and
lightning. They press their fingers to their ears at the sound of each
stunning thunderclap for fear of death: Allah is encircling the
unbelievers from all sides.[19] The lightning terrifies them as if it
was going to snatch away their eyesight; whenever it flashes they walk
on; when it becomes dark, they stand still. And if Allah wanted He
could have totally taken away their hearing and their sight; for Allah
has power over everything.[20]
2:[17-20]
SECTION: 3
O mankind! Worship your Rabb Who created you and created those who
came before you; by doing this you may expect to guard yourself
against evil.[21] It is He Who has made the earth a floor for you and
the sky a canopy; and it is He Who sends down rain from the sky for
the growth of fruits for your sustenance. Therefore, do not knowingly
set up rivals to Allah.[22]
2:[21-22]
Allah's demand to worship Him Alone
If you are in doubt as to whether the revelations which We have sent
to Our servant (Muhammad) are from Us or not, then produce one Sürah
like this; and call your witnesses (gods that you call upon) besides
Allah to assist you, if you are right in your claim.[23] But if you
are unable to do so, and you can never do so, then fear the Hell fire,
whose fuel is men and stones which is prepared for the unbelievers.
[24]
2:[23-24]
The claim of The Qur'an to be the Book of Allah
Give glad tidings to those who believe in this Book and do good deeds
in accordance with its teachings that for them there will be Gardens
beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they will be given fruits to eat
they will say: "This is similar to the one we used to eat before on
earth," for they will be provided fruits which will resemble the
fruits on the earth for their easy identification and enjoyment; and
for them there will be chaste virgin spouses, and they shall live
therein for ever.[25]
2:[25]
Reward for the believer
Allah does not mind using the similitude of a gnat or an even more
insignificant creature to teach a lesson. Those who believe, know that
it is the truth from their Rabb; but the unbelievers say: "What does
Allah mean by such a similitude?" By such a similitude Allah confounds
many and enlightens many. He confounds none except the transgressors:
[26] those who break Allah's Covenant after accepting it, and who cut
aside what Allah has ordered to be united and cause mischief on earth.
It is they who are the losers.[27]
2:[26-27]
Parable of gnat may confound
many and enlighten many
How can you deny Allah? Did He not give you life when you were
lifeless; and will He not cause you to die and again bring you to
life; and will you not ultimately return to Him ?[28] It is He Who has
created for you all that there is in the earth; and directed Himself
towards the sky and fashioned it into seven heavens. He has perfect
knowledge of everything.[29]
2:[28-29]
How can you deny Allah?
SECTION: 4
Note that occasion, when your Rabb said to the angels: I am going to
place a vicegerent on earth. They said: "Will You place there one who
will make mischief and shed blood while we sing Your praises and
glorify Your name?" Allah said: "I know what you know not."[30]
I hope you can study this simple religion, it is so simple even anyone
on the street can understand you can understand yourself by reading on
line.
http://www.al-quraan.org/2/home.html
Cheers.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Dear Tripulant,
>
> I have quote from the Hindu Scripture including the verse number. I
> hope you will do the same by stating the quotation including the verse
> number.
Let me tell you this. Hinduism wont be easy for you as you are a
muslim and you wont understand this unless you give up islam or ready
to and doubt it.
I have studied islam. That is why I asked for evidence koran is from
God directly. I am waiting. I see no where in koran where God spoke
directly to Mohammad. Let us start from there. Show me one verse.
Forget about false websites about Hinduism etc. We do not discuss
about Hinduism seriously with any one who does not want to learn or
has a closed mind or asks questions only to teasem make fun etc. No
use. Please content yourself with islam if you want. Do not tell us
about how wonderful islam is unless you give proof God spoke directly
to Mohammad or any one.
Let us leave it there.
Let me say again: you wont follow Hinduism as you have been immunised
against it by islam.
ARAH
Tripurant,
If I provide proof that Allah the Creator spoke direct to Muhammad,
will you believe it and become Muslim?
Governor Swill
>I hope you can study this simple religion, it is so simple even anyone
>on the street can understand you can understand yourself by reading on
>line.
Is that why it appeals to the poor and uneducated?
Swill
--
"Once again an election may involve a lawsuit in Florida.
"How . . . precedented.
"How . . . heard of." -- Jon Stewart
Governor Swill
>
>If I provide proof that Allah the Creator spoke direct to Muhammad,
>will you believe it and become Muslim?
Sounds like a safe bet.
AstonBarrett
> ARAH <arah...@gmail.com> used a stick in the sand to babble
>
>>Tripurant,
>>
>>If I provide proof that Allah the Creator spoke direct to Muhammad,
>>will you believe it and become Muslim?
>
>
> Sounds like a safe bet.
Careful... he might have borrowed Peabody and Shermins "WABAC Machine",
and snuck a micro-cassette recorder into Muhammads coat pocket when he
wasn't looking.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Tripurant,
>
> If I provide proof that Allah the Creator spoke direct to Muhammad,
> will you believe it and become Muslim?
>
The simple answer is NO. Because God spoke/speaks to us throughout
history, especially in Gita where He appeared, showed He is God and
clearly expounded everything with no doubt left as to man's duties
etc. He promised to come again and again *personally* to redeem us.
That being the case and also that Koran (or bible for that matter)
makes no sense and has nothing in it comparable to any Hindu scripture
especially Gita, I know Koran is fake
Your understanding of what God means will be different from mine. I am
not content with some one saying God spoke to Mohammad. You have to
show from within Koran that God the Almighty appeared, identified
Himself before Mohammad and clearly expounded man's duties etc
I know you cannot and that you are showing off and are bombastic in
your zeal.
However try to show me what you have and I will give it my best
thought!
AstonBarrett
> On Mar 26, 11:30 am, ARAH <arah1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Tripurant,
>>
>>If I provide proof that Allah the Creator spoke direct to Muhammad,
>>will you believe it and become Muslim?
>>
>
>
> The simple answer is NO. Because God spoke/speaks to us throughout
> history, especially in Gita where He appeared,(snip the hallucinations)
Post the proof on You Tube.
Only RETARDS believe in "gods"
ARAH
Share with us what you understand Religion?
What is the use of Hinduism, if it does not provide guidance, rules
and regulation for their followers to live happy and peaceful in this
world and hereafter. What the used of having an outdated document
which no hindu can read understand and discuss in the net.
Islam is a way of life that save the mankind from worship Idols,
human, sun,money etc. The Quran provide guide to mankind to serve only
the Creator and to be successful in this world and hereafter.
Let look at the Surah Baqarah which give guidance concerning social,
cultural, economic, political and legal issues through addressing the
Jews who were acquainted with the Unity of Allah,Prophethood,
Revelation, the Hereafter and angels. The Jews professed to believe in
the law which was revealed by Allah to their Prophet Moses (pbuh), and
in principle, their religion was the same (Islam) that was being
taught by the Prophet Muhammad ( pbuh). Although they were originally
Muslims, they had swerved from the real Islam and made innovations and
alterations to their religion. As a result they had fallen victims to
hair splitting and sectarianism, so much so that they had even given
up their original name "Muslim" and adopted the name "Jew" instead,
and made religion the monopoly of the children of Israel.
This was their religious condition when the Prophet went to Al-
Madinah and invited the Jews to the True Religion. More than one third
of this Sürah addresses the Children of Israel. A critical review of
their history, moral degeneration and religious perversions has been
made, to draw clear lines of demarcation between the essentials and
nonessentials of the True Religion. The Jews are warned not to mix up
the Truth with Falsehood.
During this period, a new type of Muslims called
"Munãfiqïn" (hypocrites), had emerged. There were some who had entered
the fold of Islam merely to harm it from within. There were others who
were surrounded by Muslims, and had become "Muslims" to safeguard
their worldly interests. They, therefore, continued to have relations
with the enemies so that if the latter became successful, their
interests would remain secure. Allah has, therefore, briefly pointed
out the characteristics of the hypocrites in this Sürah. Later on when
their mischievous deeds became manifest, detailed instructions were
given in Sürah Al-Taubah.
This Sürah is an invitation towards the Divine Guidance. All of its
stories, examples and incidents revolve round this central theme. This
Sürah particularly addresses the Jews and cites many events from their
history to admonish and advise them that accepting the Guidance
revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is to their own advantage.
They should, therefore, be the first to accept it because this Message
is basically the same as that revealed to the Prophet Musa (Moses)
pbuh.
If you want to learn more kindly visit the following site:
http://www.al-quraan.org/2/home.html
http://mercyofallah.com/basics/basics.html
Cheers
Governor Swill
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ARAH
No one can produced such a miracle document 1400 years ago except from
Allah the Creator
What is the Qur'aan?
It is the final revelation of the will of Almighty God's to all of
mankind, which was conveyed through the Angel Gabriel, in Arabic, to
the Prophet Muhammad in its sounds, words and meanings. The Qur'aan,
sometimes spelled Koran, was relayed to the Prophet's companions,
which they memorised verbatim, and which has been publicly and
continually recited by them and their successors until the present
day. In short, the Qur'aan is the book of guidance from God par
excellence. The Qur'aan is still memorised and taught by millions of
people. The language of the Qur'aan, Arabic, is still a living
language to millions of people, so unlike the scriptures of other
religions, the Qur'aan is still read in its original language by
countless millions of people. The Qu'ran is a living miracle in the
Arabic language; and is know to be inimitable in its style, form and
spiritual impact. God's final revelation to mankind, the Qur'aan, was
revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of 23 years.
The Qur'aan, in contrast to many other religious books, was always
thought to be the Word of God by those who believed in it, i.e. it
wasn't something decreed by a religious council many years after being
written. Also, the Qu'ran was recited publicly in front of both the
Muslim and non-Muslim communities during the life of the Prophet
Muhammad. The entire Qur'aan was also completely written down in
lifetime of the Prophet, and numerous companions of the Prophet
memorised the entire Qur'aan word-for-word as it was revealed. So
unlike other scriptures, the Qur'aan was always in the hands of the
common believers, it was always thought to be God's word and, due to
wide-spread memorisation, it was perfectly preserved. In regards to
the teachings of the Qur'aan - it is a universal scripture, and it is
addressed to all of mankind, and not to a particular tribe or "chosen
people". The message that it brings is nothing new, but the same
message of all of the prophets - submit to Almighty God and worship
Him alone. As such, God's revelation in the Qur'aan focuses on
teaching human beings the importance of believing in the Unity of God
and framing their lives around the guidance which He has sent.
Additionally, the Qur'aan contains the stories of the previous
prophets, such as Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus; as well as many
commands and prohibitions from God. In modern times in which so many
people are caught up in doubt, spiritual despair and "political
correctness", the Qur'aanic teachings offer solutions to the emptiness
of our lives and the turmoil that is gripping the world today.
How Do Muslims View the Nature of Man, the Purpose of Life and the
Life Hereafter?
In the Holy Qur'aan, God teaches human beings that they were created
in order to worship Him, and that the basis of all true worship is God-
consciousness. Since the teachings of Islaamic encompass all aspects
of life and ethics, God-consciousness is encouraged in all human
affairs. Islaam makes it clear that all human acts are acts of worship
if they are done for God alone and in accordance to His Divine Law. As
such, worship in Islaam is not limited to religious rituals. The
teachings of Islaam act as a mercy and a healing for the human soul,
and such qualities as humility, sincerity, patience and charity are
strongly encouraged. Additionally, Islaam condemns pride and self-
righteousness, since Almighty God is the only judge of human
righteousness.
The Islaamic view of the nature of man is also realistic and well-
balanced. Human beings are not believed to be inherently sinful, but
are seen as equally capable of both good and evil. Islaam also teaches
that faith and action go hand-in-hand. God has given people free-will,
and the measure of one's faith is one's deeds and actions. However,
human beings have also been created weak and regularly fall into sin.
This is the nature of the human being as created by God in His Wisdom,
and it is not inherently "corrupt" or in need of repair. This is
because the avenue of repentance of always open to all human beings,
and Almighty God loves the repentant sinner more than one who does not
sin at all. The true balance of an Islaamic life is established by
having a healthy fear of God as well as a sincere belief in His
infinite Mercy.
A life without fear of God leads to sin and disobedience, while
believing that we have sinned so much that God will not possibly
forgive us only leads to despair. In light of this, Islaam teaches
that: only the misguided despair of the Mercy of their Lord.
Additionally, the Holy Qur'aan, which was revealed to the Prophet
Muhammad, contains a great deal of teachings about the life hereafter
and the Day of Judgement. Due to this, Muslims believe that all human
beings will ultimately be judged by God for their beliefs and actions
in their earthly lives. In judging human beings, Almighty God will be
both Merciful and Just, and people will only be judged for what they
were capable of. Suffice it to say that Islaam teaches that life is a
test, and that all human beings will be accountable before God. A
sincere belief in the life hereafter is key to leading a well-balanced
life and moral. Otherwise, life is viewed as an end in itself, which
causes human beings to become more selfish, materialistic and
immoral..
Let hear what the scientists comment about Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziGip7H4STo
May Allah, the Creator of all human, earth and heaven guide us to the
truth.
AMEN
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Dear Tripurant,
>
> Share with us what you understand Religion?
>
> What is the use of Hinduism, if it does not provide guidance, rules
> and regulation for their followers to live happy and peaceful in this
> world and hereafter. What the used of having an outdated document
> which no hindu can read understand and discuss in the net.
>
Why do you want to bother with Hinduism when you have come to the
studied conclusion that it is useless. We want to follow this useless
religion *only*!
Please go on with islam. Thanks
ARAH
"Just tell me how you decide koran is from God. That would do for me.
I
am convinced you blindly assume it is from God"
Dear Tripurant,
I would like to answer you quest by quoting 2 verses, We will start
with Al Alaq, the first verse received by Prophet Muhammad and then
Yasin where Almighty God the Creator stated that Revelation is sent by
HIM.
Search For: 96 - English - English / Yusuf Ali
96:1 Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who
created-
96:2 Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:
96:3 Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-
96:4 He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-
96:5 Taught man that which he knew not.
96:6 Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds,
96:7 In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.
96:8 Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all).
96:9 Seest thou one who forbids-
96:10 A votary when he (turns) to pray?
96:11 Seest thou if he is on (the road of) Guidance?-
96:12 Or enjoins Righteousness?
96:13 Seest thou if he denies (Truth) and turns away?
96:14 Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?
96:15 Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the
forelock,-
96:16 A lying, sinful forelock!
96:17 Then, let him call (for help) to his council (of comrades):
96:18 We will call on the angels of punishment (to deal with him)!
96:19 Nay, heed him not: But bow down in adoration, and bring thyself
the closer (to Allah.!
http://www.al-quraan.org/96/home.html
Kindly study the following Surah Yasiin, and try to understand the
meaning.
http://www.al-quraan.org/36/home.html
36:1 Ya Sin.
36:2 By the Qur'an, full of Wisdom,-
36:3 Thou art indeed one of the apostles,
36:4 On a Straight Way.
36:5 It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most
Merciful.
36:6 In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had
received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless (of the
Signs of Allah..
36:7 The Word is proved true against the greater part of them: for
they do not believe.
36:8 We have put yokes round their necks right up to their chins, so
that their heads are forced up (and they cannot see).
36:9 And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and
further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see.
36:10 The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not
admonish them: they will not believe.
36:11 Thou canst but admonish such a one as follows the Message and
fears the (Lord) Most Gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefore,
good tidings, of Forgiveness and a Reward most generous.
36:12 Verily We shall give life to the dead, and We record that which
they send before and that which they leave behind, and of all things
have We taken account in a clear Book (of evidence).
36:13 Set forth to them, by way of a parable, the (story of) the
Companions of the City. Behold!, there came apostles to it.
36:14 When We (first) sent to them two apostles, they rejected them:
But We strengthened them with a third: they said, "Truly, we have been
sent on a mission to you."
36:15 The (people) said: "Ye are only men like ourselves; and
((Allah)) Most Gracious sends no sort of revelation: ye do nothing but
lie."
36:16 They said: "Our Lord doth know that we have been sent on a
mission to you:
36:17 "And our duty is only to proclaim the clear Message."
36:18 The (people) said: "for us, we augur an evil omen from you: if
ye desist not, we will certainly stone you. And a grievous punishment
indeed will be inflicted on you by us."
36:19 They said: "Your evil omens are with yourselves: (deem ye this
an evil omen). If ye are admonished? Nay, but ye are a people
transgressing all bounds!"
36:20 Then there came running, from the farthest part of the City, a
man, saying, "O my people! Obey the apostles:
36:21 "Obey those who ask no reward of you (for themselves), and who
have themselves received Guidance.
Tripulant, if the Scientists are convinced, tell me why you are not?
http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/Scientist_All/Index.htm
May Almighty God the Creator show us the Truth and save us fro the
Hellfire.
AMEN
On Mar 24, 10:31 pm, tripurant...@yahoo.com wrote:
Aviroce
MAHARAJA IS ON A DENIGRATION ZIONIST MISSION.
YOU REMIND ME OF "INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM." THE MAHARAJA
HAD PINS AND NEEDLES AND MAJIC TO INFLICT PAIN AT A DISTANCE. YOU ARE
SUCH A MAHARAJA.
Aviroce
prophet? Please explain His life was so full of problems, I thought he
could never be a prophet With so many bizarre things he advocated, he
cannot be! "
WHAT IS A PROPHET? A prophet is a man who sees more than his fellow
men, has deeper understanding of society and nature, understands the
inner feelings of man. A prophet may also be a leader.
Prophet Mohammed had all these characteristics. He was an intelligent
leader, commander, judge, psychologist, sociologist, naturalist,
problem solver,... He went very deeply into the human aspirations,
human pshyche,.. He saw what people need. What people fear. What
problems people had. His answers came right.
LIFE FULL OF PROBLEMS, BIZARRE THINGS HE ADVOCATED. Prophet Mohammed
had many experiences as a problem solver, as a judge, as a human who
wanted to understand natural processes. He faced tribes killing one
another in a country with little or nothing to offer in food supply
and water. He saw the miseries these tribes suffered as a result of
war. He understood that each tribe wants to be the superior one and
would kill and destroy other competing tribes.
Now Prophet Mohammed had the greatest inspiration (Muslims believe
that Allah told him and Allah guided him and Allah instructed him.
And all of these are consistent with inspiration.) Allah, the
Mightiest, the Most Generous, the Most Gracious, the Beneficial, the
Punisher, the Creator,...is superior to all man, animal, and all
natural processes. Allah became the Creator, nature and the natural
processes; Allah became the Conscience of Society, which advocates
Mutual Respect or Else. Man does not have to worry. All men are
equal before Allah and only Allah is the Greatest. Now, Arab tribes
have to fear only Allah. By instituting laws and regualtions per
Koran, everyone has to follow the same path or else.
If you look at Muslim traditions and practices, you will see that
Islam is the ultimate social system to produce a healthy, respectable,
and energitic and highly scientific society. Koran says:You must
read, write and find what you never knew. Thus Islamic writings and
Islamic inventions.
Of course you will always find people who would resist such a fast
coming ideology, highly revolutionary and changes totally the way
people had been doing business. Hence the beginning of wars.
Eventually, Prophet Mohammed and his followers won these wars and
stabilized the concepts of Islam. Islam has been such a great social
system that nations all over Asia adopted it and even modified it to
suit their kind of life. Africans endorsed Islam. African advanced
culture is intertwined with Islamic culture. Europe endorsed Islamic
ideas and engineering and medicine and other sciences. Even European
languages although have great roots to Latin, Latin and their native
languages were affected by the language of Islam, Arabic. Islam
became the medium of civilization and Arabic the main language. When
Colombus discovered America, he was surprised that those Indians did
not speak Arabic.
Aviroce
coordinates human endeavor. If you look at societies, you find they
are getting closer and closer. Look at us. We don't know one another
and yet are interrelated with this communication. In other words,
Internet is the second greatest invention of man as it unites human
brains. We are becoming one.
In every society, there are people who would confirm certain
ideology. According to the Fixed Point Theorem, at least one point
coincides with itself on crumbling a plane. If there is a prediction,
that is possible.
But look the issue from what it did to its use. In India itself,
Akbar, a Muslim, unified Indian tribes with Islamic ideology and he
went as far as requesting his philosophers to create a new religion
combining Islam, Hinduism, and Christianity. They did. A Muslim
adapting Islam to unify society. He is the father of India.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Tripurant wrote:
>
> "Just tell me how you decide koran is from God. That would do for me.
> I
> am convinced you blindly assume it is from God"
>
> Dear Tripurant,
>
> I would like to answer you quest by quoting 2 verses, We will start
> with Al Alaq, the first verse received by Prophet Muhammad and then
> Yasin where Almighty God the Creator stated that Revelation is sent by
> HIM.
I think it is better you do not pursue this. You wont be able to
understand or accept what I will say. In fact you are forbidden to
question Koran and think outside its parameters. You are allowed only
to keep saying Koran says this and that.
Let me just say what you quoted as two suras are not from God. Some
one seems to tell Mohammad that it is from God. It is not *God
speaking*. You can see the language:
"It is a Revelation sent down by (Him)" All in third person. Muslims
assume the angel said all this. There is no proof it is from an angel.
Mohammad could not and did not verify it was an angel. He assumed that
as Khadija said so.
Much less likely it is from God. God never came and spoke to Mohammad
directly
I suggest we leave this as it will hurt you
Aviroce
incomprehensible. You are imposing on people's thinking a unifying
character to validate your character while in fact you do not have
such one.
Islam does not belong to this category of god business as your concept
of god is a fraud. When you say Jesus is god. Then god becomes a
humble weakling. When Jews say god they are speaking of themselves
and their merchandising. Your concepts of god become human rubbish as
displayed in imperialism, zionism, nazism. You got a belief. Keep it
for youself. All that trash god said this; god said that; all is
nonsense.
You actually need to view a great research project documentary on
"From Jesus to Christ" to understand what you are talking about.
Muslims believe in Allah, and I shy away from calling Allah a god like
yours or others. Allah is unique. Allah has ninety-nine
characteristics and if you understand them fully you end up with
Nature, Natural Processes, Society, Social Laws, Humanity,
Individualism.
War of the gods. So please do not impose on me and others this
generic term "God" as if we are talking about the same thing. When I
think of Jewish God, and Christian God, I just feel someone is selling
me a basket of rotten eggs. The smell of the sulfide is suffocating.
Bury that stench. Maybe that is why people learned to bury their
dead.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> When you speak of God, you are using a generic term, deceptive term,
> incomprehensible. You are imposing on people's thinking a unifying
> character to validate your character while in fact you do not have
> such one.
Okay you do not like the term God but prefer Allah! The you say this
Allah:
"Allah has ninety-nine
characteristics and if you understand them fully you end up with
Nature, Natural Processes, Society, Social Laws, Humanity,
Individualism. "
You make claims that Allah can be fully understood. Could you explain
this please? What do you mean by Allah? Is it the same as God? I
thought we can use the term God, for the sake of convenience in the
English language discussion, as equivalent to Allah.
What do you mean by "ending up with nature?"
Aviroce
Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism do not have the same belief. In
fact, present Jews and Christians are not considered as following the
book Allah gave humanity. This says fully that there is no
Christianity and Judaism as professed by Allah. These groups are not
following Allah's books; they are fraud. In fact, Indonesia stopped
Christians and Jews from using Allah as god of the Christians and god
of the Jews. They were deceiving Muslims. It is illegal in Indonesia
to use Allah by a Christian or Jew or Hindu. Indonesia has an
excellent point. When a Christian says his Allah told him to do so,
he is telling people that Allah is Jesus or whatever god Christians
assume. In fact, the Creator is Allah, and Allah is therefore
Nature. Nature is run by natural laws and that is laws govern natural
processes. Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
and Society and both are governed by laws.
It is great that Muslims want to believe that Allah as a being has
control. But then Allah becomes Society at large with its social laws
acting as the being controlling people. Prayers become means of
enforcing social laws and an exercise to maintain good health and
wholesomeness.
Islamic beliefs and methods are conducive to wholesome and creative
society governed by laws respecting individual rights and literacy to
promote understanding Nature and Natural Processes, understanding
Society and Human Behavior.
((N.B. Google is not informing me of who responds to my posts. The
main notifications come Yaako, Rumain denigrading Muslims,
Palestinians and Arabs.))
Aviroce
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
You probably need to study "Change" in any society. Change challenges
the present established conditions and those who had profited from
such establishment will fight change to death. If you study Newton's
Laws of Motion, you would understand that very well: Objects remain
at rest or continue to move along a straight line with a uniform
velocity unless compelled to do otherwise by forces acting on them
(Inertia.)
tripur...@yahoo.com
Nature is run by natural laws and that is laws govern natural
> processes. Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
> and Society and both are governed by laws.
I am focusing on this alone.
What do you mean by Allmighty is Nature and society?
Please explain only this. I think we have semantic differences. Better
to settle what we mean by different words *before* we discuss.
To me God means a powerful moral Being beyond the realm of normal
experience.
Aviroce
> processes. Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
> and Society and both are governed by laws.
I am focusing on this alone.
What do you mean by Allmighty is Nature and society? <<<<<<NATURE IS
THE MOST POWERFUL. WHEN HURRICANE KATRINA HAD ITS LANDFALL,
LOUISSIANA SUFFERED TREMENDOUSLY. WHEN AN EARTHQUAKE SHAKES THE LAND,
PEOPLE ARE ALSO HELPLESS. THE SAME APPLIES WHEN SONAMIS, TIDAL
WAVES.. WHEN WE BUILD WE OBEY NATURAL LAWS OTHERWISE DEFYING SUCH LAWS
WILL EVENTUALLY DESTROY WHAT WE BUILD. WE OBEY NATURAL LAWS IN EVERY
RESPECT.
NATURE IS THE ALL-MIGHTY WHOSE LAWS MUST BE OBEYED.
SOCIETY IS ALSO ALL-MIGHTY. MAN HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO LIVE IN A SOCIAL
ENVIRONMENT. SOCIETY IS RUN BY LAWS MOST OF WHICH ARE NATURAL LAWS OR
DERIVED FROM NATURAL LAWS TO REGULATE OR RATION RESOURCES AND TO
PROTECT SOCIETY ITSELF. SOCIETY THEREFORE IS THE ALL-MIGHTY TOWARDS
ANY INDIVIDUAL AND ANY GROUP.
AGAIN SOCIETY IS CREATED BY NATURE AND ITS LAWS AND THEREFORE PEOPLE
OBEY SUCH LAWS OF WHICH THEY ARE ALSO MADE OF.
CALLING NATURE, NATURAL PROCESSES, SOCIETY AND LAWS OF SOCIETY AS
ALLAH HAS BOTH RESPECT FOR NATURE AND SOCIETY AND INDIVIDUALS. WHEN
PEOPLE ARE LEFT TO WORSHIP ALLAH AS THE CREATOR, THE MERCIFUL, THE
GENEROUS, (NINETY-NINE CHARACTERISTICS) THEN PEOPLE ARE ABIDING BY
NATURAL AND SOCIAL LAWS DERIVED THROUGH NATURAL PROCESSES.
Please explain only this. I think we have semantic differences.
Better
to settle what we mean by different words *before* we discuss.
To me God means a powerful moral Being beyond the realm of normal
experience<<<<<THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MORAL BEING THAT DIRECTS
OUR BEHVIOR AT EVERY INSTANT OF TIME. YET THERE IS A SOCIAL MORAL
VALUE SYSTEM THAT DIRECTS OUR BEHAVIOR AT EVERY INSTANT OF TIME. THE
ONLY MORAL BEING THAT EXISTS IS SOCIETY AND THE LAWS THAT GOVERN
SOCIETY. WHAT IS MORAL IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE SOCIAL GROUP
ACCEPTS AS MEANS OF SURVIVAL FOR THE SOCIETY ITSELF. FOR INSTANCE,
KILLING SOMEONE IS POSSIBLE AND ACCEPTABLE WHEN THAT SOMEONE IS
THREATENING SOCIETY BY KILLING SOME OF ITS MEMBERS NOT FOR SELF-
DEFENSE PURPOSES (IMMEDIATELY, SELF-DEFENSE BECOMES AN INTERNATIONAL
MORAL VALUE). KILLING MEMBERS OF OTHER SOCIETIES MAY BE A MORAL
VALUE TO ONE SOCIETY AND ANTI-MORAL TO THE SOCIETY BEING ATTACKED.
FOR INSTANCE, TO JEWS ANNIHILATING PALESTINIANS TO EXPROPRIATE THEIR
LAND AND PROPERTY IS HIGHLY MORAL; TO THE PALESTINIANS, IT IS EVIL.
TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, COMMITTING GENOCIDE IN IRAQ IS HIGHLY
MORAL; TO THE IRAQIS, IT IS EVIL.
WHAT ISLAM HAS DONE IS GROUP NATURE AND SOCIETY AS ONE BEING CALLED
ALLAH. ISLAM IMPOSED LAWS TO ABIDE BY AND MEANS TO STAY HEALTHY AND
WHOLESOME WITH MUTUAL RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALS WITHIN SOCIETIES.
ALLAH IS NOT GOD AS CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM VIEW IT. IN FACT, ALLAH
IS THE ONLY GOVERNING BEING OF ALL. BUT THAT GOVERNING BEING IS NOT
JESUS OR FATHER OF JESUS OR THE JEWS.
AVIROCE, IBN RUSHD, SAID,"ALLAH CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND HE LET GO OF
IT." IBN RUSHD WAS A MUSLIM. ISLAM ADVOCATES "READING, WRITING AND
KNOWING WHAT YOU NEVER KNEW." ISLAM IS TOLERABLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS SO
LONG AS THESE THOUGHTS ARE NOT DIRECTED TO DESTROY IT OPEATIONALLY.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN EUROPEAN JEWS PUBLISH MATERIALS TO DENIGRATE ISLAM,
THE INTENTION IS NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THE INTENTION IS TO RECRUIT
GROUPS TO KILL MUJSLIMS. WHEN ZIONISTS TELL YOU THEY ARE VIOLATING
"OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH" WHAT THEY ARE REALLY SAYING IS "WE WANT TO
KILL MUSLIMS, PALESTINIANS AND ARABS WITH IMPUNITY TO EXTRACT THEIR
LAND AND PROPERTY."
AstonBarrett
> Nature is run by natural laws and that is laws govern natural
>
>processes.
I agree with this part.
> Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
>and Society and both are governed by laws.
This part is bullshit.
After all, there are no "gods", and only retards believe in them, like
you and Jay Stevens.
So which is it?
Do you morons believe in stupidity, or trust nature?
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Nature is run by natural laws and that is laws govern natural
>
> > processes. Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
> > and Society and both are governed by laws.
>
> I am focusing on this alone.
> What do you mean by Allmighty is Nature and society? <
>
So nature is allah
>
> SOCIETY IS ALSO ALL-MIGHTY.
Society is allah
> CALLING NATURE, NATURAL PROCESSES, SOCIETY AND LAWS OF SOCIETY AS
> ALLAH HAS BOTH RESPECT FOR NATURE AND SOCIETY AND INDIVIDUALS. WHEN
> PEOPLE ARE LEFT TO WORSHIP ALLAH AS THE CREATOR, THE MERCIFUL, THE
> GENEROUS, (NINETY-NINE CHARACTERISTICS) THEN PEOPLE ARE ABIDING BY
> NATURAL AND SOCIAL LAWS DERIVED THROUGH NATURAL PROCESSES.
Am I correct in saying that, from your account, nature and society
are aspects of allah or extensions of allah? Or are they synonymous
with allah?
When you say allah and nature and society are same, I wonder if you
can clarify this.
> Please explain only this. I think we have semantic differences.
> Better
> to settle what we mean by different words *before* we discuss.
> To me God means a powerful moral Being beyond the realm of normal
> experience<<<<<THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MORAL BEING THAT DIRECTS
> OUR BEHVIOR AT EVERY INSTANT OF TIME.
Is Allah a moral being
YET THERE IS A SOCIAL MORAL
> VALUE SYSTEM THAT DIRECTS OUR BEHAVIOR AT EVERY INSTANT OF TIME. THE
> ONLY MORAL BEING THAT EXISTS IS SOCIETY AND THE LAWS THAT GOVERN
> SOCIETY.
Is Allah a moral being? Does Allah direct people?
> WHAT ISLAM HAS DONE IS GROUP NATURE AND SOCIETY AS ONE BEING CALLED
> ALLAH. ISLAM IMPOSED LAWS TO ABIDE BY AND MEANS TO STAY HEALTHY AND
> WHOLESOME WITH MUTUAL RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALS WITHIN SOCIETIES.
> ALLAH IS NOT GOD AS CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM VIEW IT. IN FACT, ALLAH
> IS THE ONLY GOVERNING BEING OF ALL.
As a governing being, is Allah moral and directing people?
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5018d064-3d5e-44b8...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
****"However you think Mohammad's life and message indicate he is a
prophet? Please explain His life was so full of problems, I thought he
could never be a prophet With so many bizarre things he advocated, he
cannot be! "
WHAT IS A PROPHET? A prophet is a man who sees more than his fellow
men, has deeper understanding of society and nature, understands the
inner feelings of man. A prophet may also be a leader.
Prophet Mohammed had all these characteristics. He was an intelligent
leader, commander, judge, psychologist, sociologist, naturalist,
problem solver,... *****
pedophile , child molester and a highway robber.......
**** He went very deeply into the human aspirations,
human pshyche,.. He saw what people need. What people fear. What
problems people had. *****
People have fear of child molesters and highway robbers. It's natural and
it's justified.
fanabba
> Nature is run by natural laws and that is laws govern natural
>
> > processes. �Allah is the All-Mighty and the All-Mighty is both Nature
> > and Society and both are governed by laws.
>
> I am focusing on this alone.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do not be misled by this deception (taqqiyya: Islamic doctrine of
deceiving Kaffirs(non-muslims) )
Islam is not just a religion.
ISLAM = DIN + SHARIAH + JIHAD
See the web sites
www.faithfreedom.org
www.islamundressed.com
www.jihadwatch.org
www.historyofjihad.org
Also see
The book: "Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq
The book: "The Truth About Muhammad" by Robert Spencer
The book: "Understanding Muhammad: The Psychobiography of Allah's
Prophet" by Ali Sina
The book: "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" by Robert Spencer
The book: "The Sword of the Prophet" by Serge Trifkovic
Aviroce
molestation and trying to push your problem on the most intelligent
leader, most effective leader, most influencial leader of mankind, the
Most Honorable and Most Respectable Worldwide, Prophet Mohammed, May
Allah Bless His Soul. You feel by attacking such a great leader, you
are going to feel better. You are wrong. You need to seek help in
Loonie House with some psychiatrists to help you. I feel sorry for
you. You need help.
Now that we are at it, you are not the first person to denigrate the
Prophet Mohammed. A Jew used to have a dump not far away where the
Prophet Mohammed lives and within sight. Once several days passed and
there was no dump. The Prophet Mohammed sent his men to find the Jew
and asked him about his good health and why he was not making his
regular dump. Prophet Mohammed was gracious, civilized, civil,
powerful and never abuse such power.
With Jews, not only they would shoot the weak several times to kill
him but also they cut him up and snatch his organs. Filthy Jewish
Semite, atrocious savages.
On Mar 29, 5:56 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aviroce
Gods are bull. Jesus is god. Jews are god. Complete nonsense.
Aviroce
"AVIROCE, IBN RUSHD, SAID,"ALLAH CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND HE LET GO OF
IT." IBN RUSHD WAS A MUSLIM. ISLAM ADVOCATES "READING, WRITING AND
KNOWING WHAT YOU NEVER KNEW." ISLAM IS TOLERABLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS SO
LONG AS THESE THOUGHTS ARE NOT DIRECTED TO DESTROY IT OPEATIONALLY.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN EUROPEAN JEWS PUBLISH MATERIALS TO DENIGRATE ISLAM,
THE INTENTION IS NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THE INTENTION IS TO RECRUIT
GROUPS TO KILL MUJSLIMS. WHEN ZIONISTS TELL YOU THEY ARE VIOLATING
"OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH" WHAT THEY ARE REALLY SAYING IS "WE WANT TO
KILL MUSLIMS, PALESTINIANS AND ARABS WITH IMPUNITY TO EXTRACT THEIR
LAND AND PROPERTY." "
"Allah moral and directing people" both concepts are true. Nature is
always moral. Society is always moral. Both are directing people.
How is society and nature related? Society is a set of people whose
members are part of Nature or created by Nature or under Nature's laws
and processes. Evolution of society depends on people's understanding
of themselves. If you read the Koran you will find that there is
great depth in understanding human nature and the rationing of human
resources to maintain a healthy and free life.
The main premise in every society is this: THERE IS LIFE AND LIFE
MUST CONTINUE. The question then:HOW COULD LIFE CONTINUE?
Aviroce
>
> - Show quoted text -
READ MY NEW RESPONSE. IT WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ISLAM IS.
staten
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*****But look the issue from what it did to its use. In India itself,
Akbar, a Muslim, unified Indian tribes with Islamic ideology and he
went as far as requesting his philosophers to create a new religion
combining Islam, Hinduism, and Christianity. They did. A Muslim
adapting Islam to unify society. He is the father of India.****
A Muslim unifying Indian society? This unabashed Muslim rat absolutely has
no shame to call Muslim genocide in India as "unifying Indian society".
Just look at the recent history of the Indian continent in the light of
Muslim unifying there.
"Eleventh century saw the barbaric assault of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni on
India. Mahmud's army slaughtered 15,000 fighting men in what they described
as the 'splendid action' before capturing 500,000 men and women as slaves.
The barbarity and cruelty of Sultan Mahmud was proudly and vividly described
by contemporary Muslim historians. In the attack on Thanesar, 'the blood of
the Indian infidels flowed so copiously that the stream was discolored and
the people were unable to drink it'. Mahmud attacked and destroyed the famed
Somnath temple in the Western India and massacred over 50,000 Hindus
guarding the temple."
"Sultan Allauddin Khaliji (1296-1316) attacked Chittor in the present
Rajasthan State and killed 30,000 people in cold blood. No wonder that
50,000 slave boys were engaged in his personal services and 70,000 slaves
worked continuously in his buildings. Firoz Tughlaq, who ascended the throne
in 1351, killed another 180,000 Hindus in Bengal and erected the infamous
'Tower of Skulls.'"
"As recently as 1946, the Muslims slaughtered more than 5,000 Hindus in
Kolkata in one day alone and threatened Hindus at large that this action
would be repeated in all the major Indian cities if Hindus refused to the
partitioning of India; this ultimately was agreed upon. In 1947, India was
divided into the Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. Hindus mistakenly believed
that by agreeing to the separate Muslim Pakistan their problems with the
Islam would be over."
"But in Pakistan, the worst reign of repression awaited the minority
Hindus. Millions of them were uprooted, butchered and slaughtered like
chicken and goats. Hundred of thousands of Hindu girls were kidnapped. Their
chastity violated, they were raped and forcibly married to Muslims."
"Muslims ethnically cleansed the entire Hindu-Sikh population from Pakistan,
the land they got from partitioning of the historic India. They
systematically used all official machinery and resources to reduce the Hindu
population to merely 2% from its earlier 20% in 1947.
"Bangladesh is another perfect example of the ethnic cleansing. Its
population of Hindu-Buddhists-Christians was about 39% in 1947. During the
1971 India-Pakistan war, Hindus were the prime target of genocide and gang
rape by Islamic Pakistani army. In a period of nine months, three million
people were mercilessly murdered by Pakistan army, of which more than 80%
were Hindus. From then on, the covert and overt assault on Hindus continued
relentlessly. Three hundred thousand girls were raped, out of which 95% were
Hindu girls. Over ten million Hindu refugees took shelter in India.
"The slaughter of Hindus in subcontinent continued and the world remained
unperturbed. In 1990, more than 400,000 Hindus were forcibly driven from the
Indian controlled Jammu and Kashmir region by the Jihadists that were
militarily trained and funded by Pakistan's intelligence agency, ISI (Inter
Services Intelligence)." "These Kashmiri people are not terrorists, they are
fighting a jihad." General Musharraf said."
A Muslim " a father of India"? Right, like Hitler was "a father of all
Jews". The only difference is that Hitler and his anti-human genocide is
history today but Muslim genocide and slavery still is thriving and
blossoming while we speak.
staten
5258ab...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
****I can see your pain, inner pain. You are suffering from child
molestation and trying to push your problem on the most intelligent
leader, most effective leader, most influencial leader of mankind, the
Most Honorable and Most Respectable Worldwide, Prophet Mohammed, May
Allah Bless His Soul. You feel by attacking such a great leader, you
are going to feel better. You are wrong. You need to seek help in
Loonie House with some psychiatrists to help you. I feel sorry for
Dissembler, your "the most respectable prophet Mo" is the most unabashed
child molester which was canonized for his sexual crimes against women and
children. By today's standards, he would be thrown in prison for molesting
9 year old girl in any modern society except Muslim one where sodomizing an
infant is not considered "a crime" but a virtue. Don't give me this shit
about "my problems " . It is your problems, Muslim scum, because you , not
me , worship a pedophile and a sexual predator.
"*****Now that we are at it, you are not the first person to denigrate the
Prophet Mohammed. A Jew used to have a dump not far away where the
Prophet Mohammed lives and within sight. Once several days passed and
there was no dump. The Prophet Mohammed sent his men to find the Jew
and asked him about his good health and why he was not making his
regular dump. Prophet Mohammed was gracious, civilized, civil,
powerful and never abuse such power.*******
Yeah right, tell that to the Qurayza Jews who were massacred by Mohammed
not not for making war upon him, not for aiding his enemies, but only
because they had rejected Muhammad and Islam. Exactly like Muslims
slaughter anyone today just for rejecting and criticizing Islam if he or she
has a misfortune to live in any country where Islam runs the show.
******With Jews, not only they would shoot the weak several times to kill
him but also they cut him up and snatch his organs. Filthy Jewish
Semite, atrocious savages.*******
While you fruitlessly keep fantasizing about Jews "snatching organs", in
Ramallah you can view in reality the masses praising Allah while carrying
the guts, hearts, and kidneys of "Israeli collaborators" . Along with brutal
beheadings and gory 7th century tortures , it is a true portrait of your
"religion of piece" today. Little wonder why you Muslims are so pissed off
and are completely off your rocker after exposing your murderous cult -
called Islam- in Wilders' video. Face it, Muslim slimeball, you cannot
humbug people with impunity forever. People like Wilders is just a wake up
call in the West. Just wait a little bit more and you will see soon your
beloved camel in Arabia.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> You did not read the whole response to yours. To wit,
> "Allah moral and directing people" both concepts are true. Nature is
> always moral. Society is always moral. Both are directing people.
>
How does nature direct morally a cat which wants food and a mouse
which wants to run away? How does nature dierct morally when there was
an earthquake in Qom killing 40000 people? Aceh killing 250000?
How does society itself direct morally Hitler who wants to kill
Jews,Gypsies,gays and they did not want to be killed? How does society
direct Pol Pot ( in my view the worst, worse than Hitler) w/ho killed
his own people for being educated, rich etc etc
In conclusion, is Allah omnipresent as you say nature and society is
Allah?
Aviroce
India as a country.
For your lover boy, Ghazni, I would like the readers consult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni
to get firsthand information on this subject withing the environment
he lived in.
For eleventh century and on I would like your readers to consult
"Crusaders" in research and enrich their lives and minds with the
conditions that Muslims had to face to defend themselve.
For later times, please also consult "Marco Polo" and his Silk Road to
change both the trade from Muslims to Europeans in spices and silk.
As a Zionist your objective is simple-Dehumanize Palestinians, Arabs
and Muslims to facilitate their annihilation by Jews. You will be
proven wrong. "What goes up, must come down" spinning wheel.
As for Hitler, indeed he was a great father of both Jews and Zionism.
Hitler laid the foundation for Zionists to ship Jews out of Germany,
Austria, Eastern Europe and the United States of America to
Palestine. Hitler is the father of Israel.
All that garbage as Hitler is killer of Jews is just trash. Hitler
did not kill more Jews than other nationals. He did it to colonize.
Probably, the most ruthless Hitler is George W. Bush. The most
genocidal and atrocious savages are Jewish in Russia, and Palestine.
I still remember Deir Yaseen where Jews would open a woman's belly get
her fetus, chop her fetus on her breasts and chop her. Jews are
semites in the new definition of a semite as an atrocious savage.
Jews indeed are semite. Being antisemitic should be a human honor as
an antisemite is antiatrocious savages.
On Mar 29, 10:09 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aviroce
facts of today. If he was today? Complete garbage. Garbage in,
Garbage out (GIGO) is the theme of computer programming and your
posts.
Prophet and Judge Mohammed did the right thing all through his life.
He is the greatest leader mankind ever has had. It does not look that
there would be other great leaders greater than him.
You and your child-molested, child-molesting Jews and Zionists, you
are trying to dehumanize Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims just to
annihilate them or subjugate them to your racist Zionist and colonial
rules as beasts or slaves. Hey boy. It is not going to happen.
On Mar 29, 11:40 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> 5258abc90...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Aviroce
background in philosophy and arguments (in Mathematical sense.) You
ask good questions and you force me to respond.
I would like to pose the question back to you using an example. What
is moral in the United States of America? What is legal. What is
legal? What society has determined to be good for the general good in
terms economy, population, health, wholesomeness, strength to protect
against predators,...Morality is rooted in survivability. In this
respect, survivability is selective. Selectiveness is rationed
naturally. If you don't have the intelligence to question me, you
would not be in your position. Intelligence is rationed.
Survivability is rationed. So one must look at the general scheme of
movement.
Here is life. Here are people born into life. How are these people
moving? In my thinking, and even I view the same as in Islam, people
are moving in the direction of becoming one and only one, of many.
Time is the beginning of putting us as one. The Internet is one new
aspect of making us one. Intelligence, problem solving to become one,
is at the root of the solution. So what is moral?
AstonBarrett
> You did not dispute the fact that Akbar, himself a Muslim, unified
> India as a country.
Proving a negative, is not anyones job, you retard.
Aviroce
counterexamples. It takes a great knowledge and deeper understanding
of the a kind of Mathematics to be able to create one.
"You did not dispute the fact that Akbar, himself a Muslim, unified
India as a country." In this case, by not disproving my statement, he
immediately affirmed it.
AstonBarrett
> There are Mathematicians whose reputation is built on showing
> counterexamples.
So?
Mathamatics CAN be proven right or wrong.
You provide nothing but silly shit, beliefs, and bundles of sticks and mud.
> It takes a great knowledge and deeper understanding
> of the a kind of Mathematics to be able to create one.
So?
What's that got to do with a PROOF that yer silly "god" exists?
Math does not a "god" make, you retard.
> "You did not dispute the fact that Akbar, himself a Muslim, unified
> India as a country."
I don't have to prove that one plus one = your stupidity.
You proved it yourself, by saying that you believe in silly dieties that
you and your ilk fully misunderstand.
Religion is based on pathetic mental illness, built by morons with
great speaking abilities, who where on drugs(and lonely) so as to make
others feel good and send money.
"Gods" simply can't exist, as mankind made them all up, while they were
still barking at the moon in the prehistoric ages, while eating wild
berries and odd herbs at night, that gave them strange dreams and
headaches the next morning.
The fairy tales the "elders" told when they awoke, became FOLKLORE that
other idiots swallowed... like you do to this day!
GOSSIP(!) In other words!
And YOU are a "Follower" of a dream perpetuated by one of many habitual
Drunkards/Berry/Herb abusers that had "one to many" the night before...
and you are NOW to ashamed to admit the FACTS about anything!
YOU have to submit to YOUR "savior" and the things he injested and
abused, and denounce all other people's 'saviors', and their simular
beliefs for the same reasons, because YOU ARE A RETARD that loves how
gossip perpetuates!
It must be tough being you.. but, I don't care.
I hope your kind wipes each other out, so that the rest of us with
measuable IQ's can live in peace.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> I would like to pose the question back to you using an example. What
> is moral in the United States of America?
Morality is 1) absolute for all time and place-- this is from God 2)
relative- from human interpretation and application of absolute
morality for a certain place and time.
Man has an inherent understanding of absolute morality most of the
time.
USA, like all countries, struggles with these issues.
The real challenge is to understand and apply God's teachings.
However I think, this is beside the point. My endeavour is to
understand what you said about Allah and nature, society. I am
examining your views.
> > In conclusion, is Allah omnipresent as you say nature and society is
> > Allah?
Could you answer this? I think this is very mportant
Thanks
Aviroce
yourself. Yoy are just an insect with instincts. You talk like one.
You crawl like. And eat like one. And you mate like one. All
instinctual. I know ElParedon can speak the language you talk. I
don't use it.
> There are Mathematicians whose reputation is built on showing
> counterexamples.
So?
Mathamatics CAN be proven right or wrong.
You provide nothing but silly shit, beliefs, and bundles of sticks and
mud.
<<<<<Look at what you stated, you stupid ass. Then come and
speak.>>>>
> It takes a great knowledge and deeper understanding
> of the a kind of Mathematics to be able to create one.
So?
What's that got to do with a PROOF that yer silly "god" exists?
<<<<<Again you missed what is being said, you stupid ass.>>>>
Math does not a "god" make, you retard. <<<<<Nonsensical
statement.>>>>>>
> "You did not dispute the fact that Akbar, himself a Muslim, unified
> India as a country."
I don't have to prove that one plus one = your stupidity. <<<<<<Stupid
ass one plus one need not be two. But surely you are more stupid than
you look.>>>>>>
You proved it yourself, by saying that you believe in silly dieties
that
you and your ilk fully misunderstand. <<<<<<You never read what I
explained, you donkey.>>>>>>>>>
Religion is based on pathetic mental illness, built by morons with
great speaking abilities, who where on drugs(and lonely) so as to
make
others feel good and send money. <<<<<<You still did not read what I
posted. You filthy bastard, you need to read. The Koran says,"Read,
Write, and Learn what you never knew." You need to read. Take a
reading class. Right now you are too stupid.>>>>>>>>
"Gods" simply can't exist, as mankind made them all up, <<<<<<Only
true statement.>>>>>while they were
still barking at the moon in the prehistoric ages, while eating wild
berries and odd herbs at night, that gave them strange dreams and
headaches the next morning. <<<<<I don't know about that.>>>>>>
The fairy tales the "elders" told when they awoke, became FOLKLORE
that
other idiots swallowed<<<<<<May be.>>>>... like you do to this day!
<<<<<Read what I write. Learn to read.>>>>
GOSSIP(!) In other words!
And YOU are a "Follower" of a dream perpetuated by one of many
habitual
Drunkards/Berry/Herb abusers that had "one to many" the night
before...
and you are NOW to ashamed to admit the FACTS about anything!
<<<<<<Read my posts.>>>>>>
YOU have to submit to YOUR "savior" and the things he injested and
abused, and denounce all other people's 'saviors', and their simular
beliefs for the same reasons, because YOU ARE A RETARD that loves how
gossip perpetuates! <<<<<<<You are a blind fellow trying to read the
written words.>>>>>
It must be tough being you.. but, I don't care. <<<<<I am fine. It is
you who is suffering.>>>>>>
I hope your kind wipes each other out, so that the rest of us with
measuable IQ's can live in peace. <<<<<What IQ are you talking about?
You don's seem to have any.>>>>
Aviroce
> is moral in the United States of America?
Morality is 1) absolute for all time and place-- this is from God
<<<<<Plato and Platonious. Heraclitus disputes that. Change is the
only constant in Nature.<<<<<2) relative- from human interpretation
and application of absolute
morality for a certain place and time. <<<<<True byt itslef not when
connected with the first assumption.>>>>>
Man has an inherent understanding of absolute morality most of the
time. <<<<No. Morality, standards, are learned.>>>>>
USA, like all countries, struggles with these issues. <<<<Ture. >>>>>>
The real challenge is to understand and apply God's teachings.
<<<<<<God does not exist as you define it or assume it. God is a
generic term substituted for different purposes.>>>>>>
However I think, this is beside the point. My endeavour is to
understand what you said about Allah and nature, society. I am
examining your views. <<<<<I am glad.>>>>>>
> > In conclusion, is Allah omnipresent as you say nature and society is
> > Allah?
Could you answer this? I think this is very mportant <<<<<Of course.
Allah is everywhere as society and Nature are everywhere.>>>>>>>
Thanks
staten
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******You are unabashed to use anachronism as a matter of fact to cover
facts of today. If he was today? Complete garbage. Garbage in,
Garbage out (GIGO) is the theme of computer programming and your
posts.******
Anachronism? But your Koran says all Muslims MUST emulate Muhammad's
manners, traditions, and practices at all time. So, if he was a child
molester and a filthy person having little regards to a personal hygiene
your Muslim faith approves molesting children , as young as infants, and
you have to be as filthy and unclean as your prophet. The Koran simply
does not offer you alternatives.
*****Prophet and Judge Mohammed did the right thing all through his life.
He is the greatest leader mankind ever has had. It does not look that
there would be other great leaders greater than him.*******
For criminals, highway robbers and child molesters he sure must be a
"greatest leader" .
*****You and your child-molested, child-molesting Jews and Zionists, you
are trying to dehumanize Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims just to
annihilate them or subjugate them to your racist Zionist and colonial
rules as beasts or slaves. Hey boy. It is not going to happen.******
The opposite is true. No one holds slaves today but Muslims. No one enforce
colonial rules of 7th century on infidels but Muslims in formerly non-Muslim
countries like Anatolia (now Turkey), Indonesia, Malaysia, former Persian
territories of what are now Afghanistan and Iran, the former Indian
territories of what are now Pakistan and Bangladesh, the conquering of all
of North Africa, West Africa, East Africa, most of Central Africa,
Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Albania, Kazakhstan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon,
Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. For Muslims, anyone who resists
submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah is a fair target and is
actually a mandate for war. Either you a Muslim or you are a dead meat -
that's a concept Muslims follow since the days of Mohammed. Little wonder
that 95% of all the conflicts on this planet today involve Muslims fighting
non-Muslims or each other.
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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****You did not dispute the fact that Akbar, himself a Muslim, unified
India as a country.*****
I post again for you the facts about Muslim "unifying" of India which you
completely want to ignore.
Pretty nice "unifying of India, isn't it?
*****For your lover boy, Ghazni, I would like the readers consult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni
to get firsthand information on this subject withing the environment
he lived in.
For eleventh century and on I would like your readers to consult
"Crusaders" in research and enrich their lives and minds with the
conditions that Muslims had to face to defend themselve.******
You again employ your Islamic taqiyya, Aviroce. Lying for you as natural as
breathing. And it's not surprising why you lie. The Quran teaches Muslims
that lying is OK and is permitted when the end justifies means .
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good
information or saying good things, is not a liar."
But your taqiyya is easily refuted when you look at the chronology of
Muslim aggressive wars beginning from 622 to the present day. Muslims always
have been originators of bloody wars which have nothing to do with "defense"
..
Chronological Muslim Jihads:
The Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)
The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan
(634 to 651)
The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)
The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)
The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians - modern Sudanese (650)
The Jihad against pagan Berbers - North Africans (650 to 700)
The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)
The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)
The Jihad against Franks - modern French (720 to 732)
The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)
The Jihad against Chinese (751)
The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)
The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)
The Crusade against Jihad (1096 - 1291 ongoing)
The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)
The Jihad against Hindus of India (638 to this day)
The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)
The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)
The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)
The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)
The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)
The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)
The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)
The Jihad against Albania (1332 - 1853)
The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)
The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)
The Jihad against Austrians (1683)
Jihad in the Modern Age
The Jihad against Israelis (1948 - 2004 ongoing)
The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)
The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)
The Jihad against Denmark (2005 cartoon controversy onwards)
The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)
The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970
onwards)
The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)
The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)
The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)
The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)
The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)
The Global Jihad today (2001 - ongoing)
The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001- ongoing)
'
******For later times, please also consult "Marco Polo" and his Silk Road to
change both the trade from Muslims to Europeans in spices and silk.
As a Zionist your objective is simple-Dehumanize Palestinians, Arabs
and Muslims to facilitate their annihilation by Jews. You will be
proven wrong. "What goes up, must come down" spinning wheel.****
As I repeatedly have pointed you out, I am no more a "Zionist" or a "Jew"
than
Wilders is whom your Muslim buddies try to murder now because he "dared" to
expose your fascist cult Islam in its full ugliness. So, get over it ,
idiot. There is absolutely nothing "Zionist" or "Jewish" if I present you
your Muslim faith without beautiful wrapping our idiots, dhimmi
politicians use for humbagging their electorate.
*****As for Hitler, indeed he was a great father of both Jews and Zionism.
Hitler laid the foundation for Zionists to ship Jews out of Germany,
Austria, Eastern Europe and the United States of America to
Palestine. Hitler is the father of Israel.
All that garbage as Hitler is killer of Jews is just trash. Hitler
did not kill more Jews than other nationals. He did it to colonize.
Probably, the most ruthless Hitler is George W. Bush. The most
genocidal and atrocious savages are Jewish in Russia, and Palestine.
I still remember Deir Yaseen where Jews would open a woman's belly get
her fetus, chop her fetus on her breasts and chop her. Jews are
semites in the new definition of a semite as an atrocious savage.
Jews indeed are semite. Being antisemitic should be a human honor as
an antisemite is antiatrocious savages.********
Just an another reminder that Islam and Nazism are milk brothers. Both hate
Jews and the West. Both the Muslim faith and the Nazism bear striking
similarities.
1) The Quran is fiercely anti-Semitic and homophobic, demanding and
justifying violence repeatedly. And so does Nazism.
2) The Quran demands from Muslims to subdue all other people, by any
means, including by violence and by the use of lies. The Nazi ideology
advocates the same subjugation of all people by Aryans .
3) Islam is very fundamentalist in nature and teaches that all non-Muslims
are little better than pigs, destined from birth to be fuel for the fires of
hell. And so does Nazism marking all "untermensch" for destruction.
Wilders is absolutely right - the Quran deserves the same spot as Mein
Kampf. Both have been a sickness to this world, except one noticeable
difference- the world has gotten over Mein Kampf long ago, but the Quran is
still plaguing the Earth after 1400 years.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> Morality is 1) absolute for all time and place-- this is from God
> <<<<<Plato and Platonious.
Like the categorical imperative of Kant
Heraclitus disputes that. Change is the
> only constant in Nature.
Change can take place only with a changeless substratum
<<<<<2) relative- from human interpretation
> and application of absolute
> morality for a certain place and time. <<<<<True byt itslef not when
> connected with the first assumption.>>>>>
Both can be true. The permanent and its expression in temporality
USA, like all countries, struggles with these issues. <<<<Ture.
>>>>>>
> > In conclusion, is Allah omnipresent as you say nature and society is
> > > Allah?
>
> Could you answer this? I think this is very mportant <<<<<Of course.
> Allah is everywhere as society and Nature are everywhere.>>>>>>>
1) If Allah is omnipresent, then how do you account for the world as
Allah alone exists and the world cannot?
2) If Allah is omnipresent, then why not worship the tree or river as
the All-Mighty Allah is in the tree and river etc. It is far easier to
worship the things we see, as a focal point of devotion, as the Divine
Expression of Allah? Why confine ourselves to mere mental or verbal
modes of worship?
Aviroce
You got nothing. GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out.)
On Mar 30, 4:23 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aviroce
On Mar 30, 4:35 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> *****For your lover boy, Ghazni, I would like the readers consulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni
Aviroce
CHANGELESS SUBSTRATUM. ALL STRATA CHANGES.
WHY WORSHIP ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? WELL A TREE IS NOT SOCIETY NOR IT
IS NATURE. ALL ARE PARTS OF NATURE. NATURE IS THE TOTALITY. YOU
DON'T NEED TO WORSHIP SOCIETY. YOU NEED TO ABIDE BY ITS RULES AND
HELP IMPROVE THEM TO HELP THE CHANGING WORLD OF SOCIETY.
BUT YOUR PROBLEM IS WHY WORSHIP ALLAH, NATURE AND NATURAL PROCESSES?
FOR PEOPLE THAT IS A GREAT THING. PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER LAWS AND
REGULATIONS THEY SHOULD ABIDE BY. PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER TO PRACTICE
HEALTHY WAYS OF LIVING. PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEST FOR
THEM AND FOR THEIR SOCIETY. AND ISLAM DOES IT BEST. WHEN YOU PRAY,
YOU ARE BOTH PRACITING CLEANLINESS AND EXERCISING, BOTH TO MAINTAIN
GOOD HEALTH EVERY DAY FIVE TIMES ADAY. MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO ENGAGE
IN SEX WHEN MARRIED, AND THE WIFE SHOULD BE VIRGIN. SUCH A PRACTICE
WE CAN SEE NOW IS THE BEST PRACTICE. IT PROTECTS THE WHOLESOMENESS OF
THE ACT, IDENTIFY THE PARENTS, ESTABLISH RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
CHILDREN AND FAMILY. MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO PRAY TO ALLAH AND NO ONE
ELSE. THIS PRACTICE TELLS A MAN YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL AND MUST BEND
ONLY TO THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY AND THAT IS ALLAH AND WITHIN SOCIETY
THAT IS THE SOCIETY ITSELF. I CAN KEEP GOING ON AND ON...
M. Ranjit Mathews
> I still remember Deir Yaseen where Jews would open a woman's belly get
> her fetus, chop her fetus on her breasts and chop her.
How do you remember it? Were you there? Here's someone else who claims
to have been there:
Mohammed Radwan who fought in the battle:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
"I know when I speak that God is up there and God knows the truth and
God will not forgive the liars," said Radwan, who puts the number of
villagers killed at 93, listed in his own handwriting. "There were no
rapes. It's all lies. There were no pregnant women who were slit open.
It was propaganda that... Arabs put out so Arab armies would invade,"
he said. "They ended up expelling people from all of Palestine on the
rumor of Deir Yassin." This was reported by Paul Holmes, Middle East
Times, 20-April-1998
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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****You are a lier. You cook the "lies" to make them look like facts.
You got nothing. GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out.)****
Those are not lies. You MUST adopt behavior , traditions and practices of
Muhammed. It's written in the Quran.
Allah decrees in verse 33:21 that He has made Muhammad an excellent example
for the Muslims to follow and in verse 68:4 Allah reminds the Muslims that
Muhammad is the ultimate/excellent standard of character. You MUST be a
filty child molester as Mohammed was and as it is specified in the Muslim
holy book Quran.
And yes, Muslims occupied non-Muslim lands and destroyed non-Muslim
civilizations in Anatolia (now Turkey), Indonesia, Malaysia, former Persian
territories of what are now Afghanistan and Iran, the former Indian
territories of what are now Pakistan and Bangladesh, conquered of all of
North Africa, West Africa, East Africa, most of Central Africa, Azerbaijan,
Kyrgyzstan, Albania, Kazakhstan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Tajikistan,
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan. Those are historical facts.
staten
*****GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)******
Nope. It's true. Muslim aggressive conquest of the world has begun as early
as 622 AD. You cannot deny your own history.
Chronological Muslim Jihads:
The War on Terror against Jihad today just started in 2001. Enough is
enough.
tripur...@yahoo.com
> "Change can take place only with a changeless substratum "
> On Mar 30, 8:45 pm, tripurant...@yahoo.com wrote:
Could you answer this please:
1) If Allah is omnipresent, then how do you account for the world as
Allah alone exists and the world cannot?
If Allah is omnipresent, then the world does not truly exist as a
separate entity at all. Its perception and validity is secondary to
Him. What arise from Him, maintained by Him and disappears into Him,
cannot be anything but Him. Like a bucket of ocean water frozen into
ice, is still ocean water but a different dimension.
If Allah is Omnipresent, He alone exists and the world is a mere
phenomenon experientially and has no true separate basis at all
Aviroce
GIGO
> ...
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
Aviroce
Read "What Price Israel" by Alfred Lelinthal. Check United Nations
documents on the time.
On Mar 30, 10:10 pm, "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 30, 9:38 am, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:.
>
> > I still remember Deir Yaseen where Jews would open a woman's belly get
> > her fetus, chop her fetus on her breasts and chop her.
>
> How do you remember it? Were you there? Here's someone else who claims
> to have been there:
>
> Mohammed Radwan who fought in the battle:-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
Aviroce
facts.
You got nothing. GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out.)****
> > non-Muslims or each other.- Hide quoted text -
Aviroce
phenomenon experientially and has no true separate basis at all "
I thought again about your curiosity. Allah is Nature, Natural
Processes including Society and its laws and regulations. In this
sense, Allah is the only one who actually has existence. Humans are
part of Nature and Natural Processes and Part of Society and Its Rules
and Regulations. Humans basically are part of the whole. Human
existence exists by its intelligence by the fact that it sees itself
as part of the whole. Islam lets you think. Islam allows you to
exist as a human and that is one reason for the spread of Islam.
Aviroce, Ibn Rushd, (Not I) stated,"Allah created the Universe and He
let go of it."
Good question.
staten
Join Yaako, Rumain, you are one and only one propagandistically.
GIGO
You are wrong. I am not only one. There are millions people on earth who
very well understand the true nature of Islam (expect more and more
Wilders). We believe Islam is in and of itself a religion of evil. This
conclusion is drawn not from the view of a particular religious dogma, but
from a humanistic and common sense definitions . I don't need any
"propaganda" but just open the Quran and read :
1.What Muhammad said that remains unabrogated.
2.What Muhammad did (and said while he was doing it).
3.What Muhammad did not say or command or support that is good.
4. What Muslim consensus has been for every century afterwards.
5.What the governing code of Muslim terrorists is today.
After reading that, anyone in his right mind invariably comes to a
conclusion that Islam is, in total, universally, and innately evil. It
actively encourages some of the most debased, inhumane treatment of people
known to man, regardless of which dogma you compare it to (religious or
secular).
staten
On Mar 29, 6:40 pm, fanabba <fana...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 2:20?pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do not be misled by this deception (taqqiyya: Islamic doctrine of
> deceiving Kaffirs(non-muslims) )
>
> Islam is not just a religion.
>
> ISLAM = DIN + SHARIAH + JIHAD
>
> See the web sites
>
> www.faithfreedom.orgwww.islamundressed.comwww.jihadwatch.orgwww.historyofjihad.org
>
> Also see
>
> The book: "Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq
> The book: "The Truth About Muhammad" by Robert Spencer
> The book: "Understanding Muhammad: The Psychobiography of Allah's
> Prophet" by Ali Sina
> The book: "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" by Robert Spencer
> The book: "The Sword of the Prophet" by Serge Trifkovic- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
*****READ MY NEW RESPONSE. IT WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ISLAM IS.*****
Don't worry about your response. It is already widely known that Islam, as
it is practiced today, is a barbaric, anachronistic, brutal, blindly stupid,
violent, anti-modern, war-mongering, women-hating , anti-American,
anti-Canadian, anti-Danish, anti-Swedish, anti-Dutch, humorless, backward,
hypocritical, rape-inspired, goat-fucking, child-molesting, dissembling,
hospital-exploding, head-chopping, intolerant, uncivilized,
criminal religion.
staten
****You are a lier. You cook the "lies" to make them look like
facts.
You got nothing. GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out.)****
I got everything. I got your Koran . I quote from the Koran. If you call it
a "garbage" , I don't mind. You may add also - Koran is the best manual for
terrorists , the best instruction for mass murderers and an excellent
guide for pedophiles.
Aviroce
them, they wouldn't bother you. You already trespassed on them. And
I expect them to return the favor. You pull your strings and they
will pull theirs. Let us see who wins if any. It may mean
destruction of the planet. As far as I am concerned if this the only
solution then let it be. The Hell with the planet since so much evil
are coming from you and the like of you.
Aviroce
of their property and let them live their lives away from you. Why
are you running after them? Go find something else to do.
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Aviroce
Muslims. You don't like them and surely they don't like you. Just
deliver Palestine and get the damned Jews out of Palestine. No one
will bother you then.
On Apr 1, 12:13 pm, "staten" <sta...@lycos.com> wrote:
> "Aviroce" <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0384f6dd-b882-4ca5...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 29, 6:40 pm, fanabba <fana...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 2:20?pm, Aviroce <dudaras...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do not be misled by this deception (taqqiyya: Islamic doctrine of
> > deceiving Kaffirs(non-muslims) )
>
> > Islam is not just a religion.
>
> > ISLAM = DIN + SHARIAH + JIHAD
>
> > See the web sites
>
> >www.faithfreedom.orgwww.islamundressed.comwww.jihadwatch.orgwww.histo...
>
> > Also see
>
> > The book: "Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq
> > The book: "The Truth About Muhammad" by Robert Spencer
> > The book: "Understanding Muhammad: The Psychobiography of Allah's
> > Prophet" by Ali Sina
> > The book: "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" by Robert Spencer
> > The book: "The Sword of the Prophet" by Serge Trifkovic- Hide quoted
> > text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> *****READ MY NEW RESPONSE. IT WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT ISLAM IS.*****
>
> Don't worry about your response. It is already widely known that Islam, as
> it is practiced today, is a barbaric, anachronistic, brutal, blindly stupid,
> violent, anti-modern, war-mongering, women-hating , anti-American,
> anti-Canadian, anti-Danish, anti-Swedish, anti-Dutch, humorless, backward,
> hypocritical, rape-inspired, goat-fucking, child-molesting, dissembling,
> hospital-exploding, head-chopping, intolerant, uncivilized,
> criminal religion.- Hide quoted text -
staten
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*****No body wants you to become a Muslim. Leave Muslims alone. Get out
of their property and let them live their lives away from you. Why
are you running after them? Go find something else to do.*****
Get out of the West back to your Islamdom. Rape your own women. Ravage
your own goats. Build there your mosques at every corner. Molest your own
children. Blow up each other and chop off your own heads there and I can
guarantee you hardly someone in the West would be sorry for missing your
Islamic plague which has become a part of our lives against our will.
staten
******If your assumptions are true, I am glad to hear that. ****
Are you glad that your Islam is a barbaric, anachronistic, brutal,
backward, intolerant, uncivilized, criminal religion? Strange
transformation. Have you become an apostate?
***** Stay away from
Muslims. You don't like them and surely they don't like you. Just
deliver Palestine and get the damned Jews out of Palestine. No one
will bother you then.*******
What Palestine and Jews have in common in Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan,
Pakistan , Bangladesh, North Africa, West Africa, East Africa, most of
Central Africa, Azerbaijan,
Kyrgyzstan, Albania, Kazakhstan, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Tajikistan,
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kosovo, Philippines, Thailand , Russia , Europe ,
Australia , where Muslims murder kuffars and each other? Why are you lying
? Muslims keep bothering everyone there where they are infest the planet.
More than 10800 deadly terrorist attacks are perpetrated by Muslims around
the globe since 9/11. Is this global murder spree and mayhem just because
of Palestine?
staten
"Aviroce" <dudar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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******Muslims are not interested in you and the like of you. Don't bother
them, they wouldn't bother you. You already trespassed on them. And
I expect them to return the favor. You pull your strings and they
will pull theirs. Let us see who wins if any. It may mean
destruction of the planet. As far as I am concerned if this the only
solution then let it be. The Hell with the planet since so much evil
are coming from you and the like of you.************
Your words don't hold water. That's you Muslims who trespass on us and who
want to force your Islam down to our throats. If you Muslims would just stay
in your filthy Muslimdom , murder each other on the regular basis (your
favored pastime) you would be just sand fleas and no one would care about
your existence. But millions upon millions Muslims now keep occupying the
West without a single shot made( thanks to our elected useful idiots
politicians) force their barbaric culture upon us , build mosques (nests
for Islamic terrorism) rape our women, ravage our goats, dictate what
cartoons to draw and what films we got to shoot and in addition call us
"trespassers". Isn't it a top of absurdity?
Why are you are such a disgusting hypocrite , Muslim Aviroce? The Western
countries you Muslims have emigrated to is not your countries. The laws
you wish to live under are not the democratic laws of your adopted
countries. Yours is barbaric Sharia. Your hopes and dreams are not the same
as the culture you infest with your presence . Why the hell you keep coming
to us if you hate us so much, you fucking , filthy sand monkeys?
tripur...@yahoo.com
> "If Allah is Omnipresent, He alone exists and the world is a mere
> phenomenon experientially and has no true separate basis at all "
>
> I thought again about your curiosity. Allah is Nature, Natural
> Processes including Society and its laws and regulations. In this
> sense, Allah is the only one who actually has existence.
If Allah only has Existence, who can worship Him?
Secondly, if the world is a phenomenon, then so is our mind,
thought,memory, physical universe including the body, hairs, nails etc
etc. That being the case and also that Allah is the only Existent
Being, worship becomes impossible. The phenomenon cannot worship the
noumenon as the phenomenon is an appearance of noumenon
Please comment. Thanks
Aviroce
INTENTIONS. THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. GET OUT OF PALESTINE. GET
OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. GET OUT OF LEBANON.
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT YOU TO LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY
CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOUR ATROCITIES AND SAVAGERY. LET YOUR PEOPLE GO TO
HELL.
> > secular).- Hide quoted text -
Aviroce
INTENTIONS. THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. GET OUT OF PALESTINE. GET
OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. GET OUT OF LEBANON.
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT YOU TO LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY
CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOUR ATROCITIES AND SAVAGERY. LET YOUR PEOPLE GO TO
HELL.
Aviroce
INTENTIONS. THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. GET OUT OF PALESTINE. GET
OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. GET OUT OF LEBANON.
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT YOU TO LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY
CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOUR ATROCITIES AND SAVAGERY. LET YOUR PEOPLE GO TO
HELL.
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Aviroce
as only one being independent of other beings with the power to create
and bless and punish. The new meanning treats Allah as the Whole of
Nature and people become only part of the whole with a mission imposed
on them by the very natural creation they were in and that is LIFE.
Humans are consciously and unconsciously directed to continue LIFE.
LIFE is a "conspiracy" against humans. So for humans what counts is
what makes LIFE continue. Islam understood this phenomenon very
well. Islam brought man to see himself as an intelligent being "Teach
him how to read, write and find what he never knew." Islam set the
stage for individualism and its importance and gave each individual
the opportunity to communicate with Allah directly. You answer to
Allah. Allah inspires you. ((I am very curious about the meanning of
inspiration and prophecy in the sense of prediction. Islam tells the
people Allah told Mohammed to write. Allah guided Mohammed. ))
The two meannings are compatible. If you look at the normal
distribution of intelligence, you will see that every society has some
of each category. In general, people need to repeat and repeat to
learn to allow knowldge become part of the unconscious mind. That in
society is extremely constructive. When repetition is associated with
an exercise that knowledge is fixed well in the mind. Islam demands
reading the Koran orally, knowing it by heart.
staten
******PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS KNOW YOU WELL. THEY KNOW YOUR
INTENTIONS. THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. GET OUT OF PALESTINE. GET
OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. GET OUT OF LEBANON.
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT YOU TO LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY
CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOUR ATROCITIES AND SAVAGERY. LET YOUR PEOPLE GO TO
Hold your breath for a while , Muslim. Answer the question - why you Muslims
keep comming in droves to the West if you so hate it?
staten
*****PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS KNOW YOU WELL. THEY KNOW YOUR
INTENTIONS. THEY WILL DEFEND THEMSELVES. GET OUT OF PALESTINE. GET
OUT OF IRAQ. GET OUT OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA. GET OUT OF LEBANON.
PALESTINIANS, ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT YOU TO LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY
CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOUR ATROCITIES AND SAVAGERY. LET YOUR PEOPLE GO TO
Very good. Take a banana for the nice speech as a reward. But answer the
another question - What Palestine and Arabian peninsula has in common
with Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Pakistan , Bangladesh, North Africa,
West Africa, East Africa, most of
Central Africa, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Albania, Kazakhstan, Syria, Iraq,
Lebanon, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kosovo, Philippines, Thailand
, Russia , Europe ,
Australia , where Muslims murder kuffars and each other ? Is this global