Members in The United States 108th Congress with Military Experience
Pookie
with Military Experience
(source CQ.com)
When you count them you'll see 91 Republicans and only 63 Democrats have
been in the military.
House Member Branch Dates of Service Highest Rank
Todd Akin (R-Mo.)
Army
1972-80
2nd Lt.
Rodney Alexander (D-La.)
Air Force Reserve
1965-71
Staff Sgt.
Joe Baca (D-Calif.)
Army
1966-68
Not Reported
Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.)
Ala. National Guard
1969-71
Not Reported
Frank W. Ballance Jr. (D-N.C.)
N.C. National Guard
1968-71
E-2
Cass Ballenger (R-N.C.)
Naval Air Corps
1944-45
Aviation cadet
J. Gresham Barrett (R-S.C.)
Army
1983-87
Capt.
Doug Bereuter (R-Neb.)
Army
1963-65
1st Lt.
Michael Bilirakis (R-Fla.)
Air Force
1951-55
Not Reported
Sanford D. Bishop Jr. (D-Ga.)
Army
1971
Not Reported
Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.)
Army
1956-58
Not Reported
John A. Boehner (R-Ohio)
Navy
1968
Not Reported
Leonard L. Boswell (D-Iowa)
Army
1956-76
Lt. Col.
Allen Boyd (D-Fla.)
Army
1969-71
1st Lt.
Henry E. Brown Jr. (R-S.C.)
S.C. National Guard
1953-62
Sgt.
Max Burns (R-Ga.)
Army Reserve
1973-81
1st Lt.
Dan Burton (R-Ind.)
Army
1956-57
Not Reported
Army Reserve
1957-62
Not Reported
Steve Buyer (R-Ind.)
Army Reserve
1980-84
Capt.
Army
1984-87
Capt.
Army Reserve
1987-present
Lt. Col
Howard Coble (R-N.C.)
Coast Guard
1952-56
Capt.
Coast Guard Reserve
1960-82
Capt.
Coast Guard
1977-78
Capt.
Mac Collins (R-Ga.)
Ga. National Guard
1964-70
E-4
John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.)
Mich. National Guard
1948-50
Not Reported
Army
1950-54
Not Reported
Army Reserve
1954-57
Not Reported
Robert E. "Bud" Cramer (D-Ala.)
Army
1972
2nd Lt.
Army Reserve
1976-78
Capt.
Philip M. Crane (R-Ill.)
Army
1954-56
Cpl.
Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Calif.)
Navy
1966-87
Cmdr.
Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.)
Army
1971-72
2nd Lt.
Va. National Guard
1972-79
Not Reported
Army Reserve
1972-79
1st Lt.
Nathan Deal (R-Ga.)
Army
1966-68
Capt.
Peter A. DeFazio (D-Ore.)
Air Force
1967-71
Lt.
Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.)
Coast Guard
1963
Not Reported
Coast Guard Reserve
1963-71
Not Reported
John D. Dingell (D-Mich.)
Army
1944-46
2nd Lt.
John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. (R-Tenn.)
Tenn. National Guard and Army Reserve
1970-87
Capt.
Bob Etheridge (D-N.C.)
Army
1965-67
E-4
Lane Evans (D-Ill.)
Marine Corps
1969-71
Lance Cpl.
Terry Everett (R-Ala.)
Air Force
1955-59
Airman 1st Class
Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (D-Am. Samoa)
Army
1966-69
Capt.
Army Reserve
1983-01
Capt.
Ernie Fletcher (R-Ky.)
Air Force
1974-80
Not Reported
Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.)
Army
1969-71
Pvt.
Martin Frost (D-Texas)
Army Reserve
1966-72
Not Reported
Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.)
Mo. Air National Guard
1965-71
Not Reported
Jim Gibbons (R-Nev.)
Air Force
1967-71
Col.
Nev. Air National Guard
1975-95
Vice Cmdr.
Wayne T. Gilchrest (R-Md.)
Marine Corps
1964-68
Sgt.
Paul E. Gillmor (R-Ohio)
Air Force
1965-66
Capt.
Charlie Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Texas Air National Guard
1969-75
Tech. Sgt.
Virgil H. Goode Jr. (R-Va.)
Va. National Guard
1969-75
Not Reported
Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.)
Army Reserve
1971-72
Not Reported
Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.)
Army
1960-62
Not Reported
Ralph M. Hall (D-Texas)
Navy
1942-45
Lt.
Doc Hastings (R-Wash.)
Army Reserve
1964-69
Spec. 4
Maurice D. Hinchey (D-N.Y.)
Navy
1956-59
Seaman
David L. Hobson (R-Ohio)
Ohio Air National Guard
1958-63
Not Reported
Joseph M. Hoeffel (D-Pa.)
Army Reserve
1970-76
E-4
Amo Houghton (R-N.Y.)
Marine Corps
1945-46
Pfc.
Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.)
Army
1969-71
Lt.
Henry J. Hyde (R-Ill.)
Navy
1944-46
Ensign
Naval Reserve
1946-68
Cmdr.
Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.)
Ga. Air National Guard
1966-72
Not Reported
Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)
Army
1970-72
Pvt.
Army
1976-80
Capt.
Army Reserve
1980-88
Capt.
Bill Janklow (R-S.D.)
Marine Corps
1956-59
Private First Class
William J. Jefferson (D-La.)
Army
1969-75
Capt.
Bill Jenkins (R-Tenn.)
Army
1960-62
Lt.
Sam Johnson (R-Texas)
Air Force
1951-79
Col.
Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.)
N.C. National Guard
1967-71
Not Reported
Paul E. Kanjorski (D-Pa.)
Army
1960-61
Not Reported
Peter T. King (R-N.Y.)
N.Y. National Guard
1968-73
Spec. 5
Mark Steven Kirk (R-Ill.)
Naval Reserve
1989-present
Lt. Cmdr.
Gerald D. Kleczka (D-Wis.)
Wis. Air National Guard
1963-69
Not Reported
John Kline (R-Minn.)
Marine Corps
1969-94
Col.
Joe Knollenberg (R-Mich.)
Army
1955-57
Cpl.
Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.)
Navy
1965-69
Lieutenant
Naval Reserve
1970-77
Lieutenant
Ron Lewis (R-Ky.)
Navy
1972
Not Reported
John Linder (R-Ga.)
Air Force
1967-69
Capt.
William O. Lipinski (D-Ill.)
Army Reserve
1961-67
Not Reported
Ken Lucas (D-Ky.)
Air Force
1955-57
Maj.
Ky. Air National Guard
1957-67
Not Reported
Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.)
Army Reserve
1968-73
Not Reported
Jim Marshall (D-Ga.)
Army
1968-70
Sgt.
Jim McDermott (D-Wash.)
Navy Medical Corps
1968-70
Lt. Cmdr.
Gary G. Miller (R-Calif.)
Army
1967-68
Pvt.
Alan B. Mollohan (D-W.Va.)
Army Reserve
1970-83
Capt.
Dennis Moore (D-Kan.)
Army
1970
2nd Lt.
John P. Murtha (D-Pa.)
Marine Corps
1952-55
Lt.
Marine Corps
1966-67
Maj.
Marine Corps Reserve
1967-90
Col.
Charlie Norwood (R-Ga.)
Army
1967-69
Capt.
Solomon P. Ortiz (D-Texas)
Army
1960-62
Spc.
Tom Osborne (R-Neb.)
Neb. National Guard
1960-66
Sgt.
C. L. "Butch" Otter (R-Idaho)
Idaho National Guard
1967-73
Spec.
Bill Pascrell Jr. (D-N.J.)
Army
1961
E-5
Army Reserve
1962-67
E-5
Ron Paul (R-Texas)
Air Force
1963-65
Capt.
Pa. Air National Guard
1965-68
Capt.
Steve Pearce (R-N.M.)
Air Force
1971-76
Capt.
Collin C. Peterson (D-Minn.)
Minn. National Guard
1963-69
Staff Sgt.
John E. Peterson (R-Pa.)
Army Reserve
1957-63
Spec. 2
Joe Pitts (R-Pa.)
Air Force
1963-69
Capt.
Jim Ramstad (R-Minn.)
Army Reserve
1968-74
1st Lt.
Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.)
Army
1948-52
Staff Sgt.
Ralph Regula (R-Ohio)
Navy
1944-46
Seaman
Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas)
Army
1966-68
Sgt.
Thomas M. Reynolds (R-N.Y.)
N.Y. Air National Guard
1970-76
Sgt.
Harold Rogers (R-Ky.)
Ky. National Guard
1956-57
Not Reported
N.C. National Guard
1957-58
Not Reported
Ky. National Guard
1958-63
Not Reported
Mike Rogers (R-Mich.)
Army
1985-88
Cmdr.
Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.)
Army
1963-68
Pvt.
Ed Schrock (R-Va.)
Navy
1964-88
Capt.
Robert C. Scott (D-Va.)
Army Reserve
1970-74
Not Reported
Mass. National Guard
1974-76
Not Reported
Jose E. Serrano (D-N.Y.)
Army Medical Corps
1964-66
Not Reported
John Shadegg (R-Ariz.)
Ariz. Air National Guard
1969-75
Not Reported
Don Sherwood (R-Pa.)
Army
1964-66
1st Lt.
John Shimkus (R-Ill.)
Army
1980-86
Capt.
Army Reserve
1986-present
Lt. Col.
Rob Simmons (R-Conn.)
Army
1965-68
1st Lt.
Army Reserve
1970-00
Col.
Nick Smith (R-Mich.)
Air Force
1959-61
Capt.
Vic Snyder (D-Ark.)
Marine Corps
1967-69
Cpl.
John M. Spratt Jr. (D-S.C.)
Army
1969-71
Capt.
Pete Stark (D-Calif.)
Air Force
1955-57
Not Reported
Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.)
Air Force
1963-67
Capt.
John Tanner (D-Tenn.)
Navy
1968-72
Lt.
Tenn. National Guard
1974-00
Lt. Col.
Gene Taylor (D-Miss.)
Coast Guard Reserve
1971-84
E-6
Mike Thompson (D-Calif.)
Army
1969-73
Sgt.
Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.)
Army
1956-58
Not Reported
Jim Turner (D-Texas)
Army
1970-78
Capt.
Dave Weldon (R-Fla.)
Army Medical Corps
1981-87
Maj.
Army Reserve
1987-92
Not Reported
Edward Whitfield (R-Ky.)
Army Reserve
1967-73
Lt.
Roger Wicker (R-Miss.)
Air Force
1976-80
Capt.
Air Force Reserve
1980-present
Lt. Col.
Heather A. Wilson (R-N.M.)
Air Force
1978-89
Capt.
Joe Wilson (R-S.C.)
Army Reserve
1972-75
Not Reported
S.C. National Guard
1975-present
Col.
Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.)
Army Reserve
1962-63
Enlisted
C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.)
Fla. National Guard
1948-57
Not Reported
Don Young (R-Alaska)
Army
1955-57
Not Reported
Senate Member
Branch
Dates of Service
Highest Rank
Daniel K. Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Army Corps of Engineers
1945-47
Not Reported
Robert F. Bennett (R-Utah)
Utah National Guard
1957-60
(Chaplain)
Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.)
Army Reserve
1968-74
Not Reported
Conrad Burns (R-Mont.)
Marine Corps
1955-57
Cpl.
Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.)
Air Force
1951-53
Airman 2nd Class
Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.)
Navy
1968-73
Capt.
Naval Reserve
1973-92
Capt.
Thad Cochran (R-Miss.)
Navy
1959-61
Lt. j.g.
Jon Corzine (D-N.J.)
Marine Corps Reserve
1969-75
Sgt.
Larry E. Craig (R-Idaho)
Idaho National Guard
1970-71
E3
Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)
Air Force
1969-72
1st Lt.
Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.)
Army Reserve
1969-75
Not Reported
Michael B. Enzi (R-Wyo.)
Wyo. Air National Guard
1967-73
Not Reported
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
Air Force
1982-88
Not Reported
Air Force
1990
Not Reported
S.C. Air National Guard
1989-94
Not Reported
Air Force Reserve
1995-present
Lt. Col.
Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.)
Army
1967-68
Sgt.
Tom Harkin (D-Iowa)
Navy
1962-67
Lt.
Naval Reserve
1968-74
Lt. Cmdr.
Ernest F. Hollings (D-S.C.)
Army
1942-45
Capt.
James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.)
Army
1956-58
Pfc.
Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Army
1943-47
2nd Lt.
James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.)
Navy
1956-59
Not Reported
Naval Reserve
1959-90
Capt.
Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.)
Army
1951-53
Pfc.
John Kerry (D-Mass.)
Navy
1966-70
Lt.
Herb Kohl (D-Wis.)
Army Reserve
1958-64
Not Reported
Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Army
1942-46
Cpl.
Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.)
Navy
1957-60
Not Reported
John McCain (R-Ariz.)
Navy
1958-81
Capt.
Zell Miller (D-Ga.)
Marine Corps
1953-56
Sgt.
Bill Nelson (D-Fla.)
Army
1968-70
Capt.
Army Reserve
1965-71
Capt.
Don Nickles (R-Okla.)
Okla. National Guard
1970-76
Not Reported
Jack Reed (D-R.I.)
Army
1971-79
Capt.
Army Reserve
1979-91
Not Reported
Pat Roberts (R-Kan.)
Marine Corps
1958-62
Lt.
Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.)
Army Reserve
1973-86
Capt.
Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)
Air Force
1951-53
1st Lt.
Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)
Army Air Corps
1943-46
1st Lt.
Craig Thomas (R-Wyo.)
Marine Corps
1955-59
Capt.
John W. Warner (R-Va.)
Navy
1944-46
Not Reported
Sam Snide
"Pookie" <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Rob Olsen
<pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
Some who did NOT serve:
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard
* Dick Cheney: did not serve, several deferments
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill First: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve, seven deferments
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
-----
"The only truly new ideas [the right] has come up with
in the last twenty years are:(1) supply side economics, which is a way of redistributing
the wealth upward toward those who already have more than
they know what to do with, and; (2) creationism, which is a parallel idea for redistributing
ignorance out from its fundamentalist strongholds to those
who know more than they need to.
-Barbara Ehrenreich
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Some who did NOT serve:
Bubba Clinton
Jake S.
Jake S.
Rob Olsen
The best you can do is snip my post? Pathetic.
George Grapman
--
To reply via e-mail please delete 1 c from paccbell
George Grapman
supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
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> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
> > "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
> > news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> >><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Some who did NOT serve:
> >
> > ==================
> >
> > Bubba Clinton
> >
> >
>
> Who never supported the war..... and your "point" was?????
YOu mean this Bill Clinton?
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
-- President Bill Clinton, February 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
-- President Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998
Rob Olsen
Rumor is she services the troops on shore leave.....
Jake S.
> "Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
> news:43821ABA...@none.none...
>
>>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>
>>>"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>>news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Some who did NOT serve:
>>>
>>>==================
>>>
>>>Bubba Clinton
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Who never supported the war..... and your "point" was?????
>
> ==================
> YOu mean this Bill Clinton?
>
The one you're talking about avoiding service in Viet Nam - a war he
opposed? Absolutely.
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
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> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
> > "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
> > news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> >> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some who did NOT serve:
> > ==================
> >
> > Bubba Clinton
> >
> >
> Standard non-defense of GOP war wimps.
>
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
> > "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
> > news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> >> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some who did NOT serve:
> > ==================
> >
> > Bubba Clinton
> >
> >
> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
-- President Bill Clinton, February 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program."
-- President Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
-- Madeline Albright, February 1, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
-- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, February 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
mass destruction programs."
-- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, October 9,
1998. Letter to President Clinton.
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and
he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), December 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton's Secretary of State, November 10, 1999
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), September 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, September 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam
is in power."
-- Al Gore, September 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), September 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), October 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), October 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including
al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological
and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), October 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), December 8, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological
weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for
the United States."
-- Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) September 4, 2002
"If we wait for the [Iraq] danger to become clear, it could be too late."
-- Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del) September 4, 2002
"Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the
United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf
region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its
international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess
and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability,
actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and
harboring terrorist organizations."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) February 5, 2003
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), January 23. 2003
Jake S.
No comment on the truth of that rumor.... except that it WOULD, at
least, be of some level of "service" to the men she disparaged.
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Rob Olsen
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>
>"George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>news:d%ogf.32694$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>> > "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>> > news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>> >> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Some who did NOT serve:
>> > ==================
>> >
>> > Bubba Clinton
>> >
>> >
>> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
>> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
>> ===========================
>
You keep posting the same thing over and over. Do you have a point or
is cut and paste the best you can do?
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
Oh i thought you were talking about the bIll Clinton that planned a sneak
attack on Iraq and bombing campaign for many days without UN approval or
GASP , even the French.
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and
security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission
is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and
its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
And so we had to act and act now.
Let me explain why.
First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and
begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in
months, not years
If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report,
we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his
weapons.
And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will
deploy them, and he will use them.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
George Grapman
> "George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:PZogf.32692$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>> "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some who did NOT serve:
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> Bubba Clinton
>>>
>>>
>> Standard non-defense of GOP war wimps.
Can't defend the GOP war wimps,can you?
>>
> ==========================
>
> "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
> develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
> That is our bottom line."
> -- President Bill Clinton, February 4, 1998
>
> "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
> We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
> destruction program."
> -- President Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998
>
>
>
>
George Grapman
> "George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:d%ogf.32694$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>> "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some who did NOT serve:
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> Bubba Clinton
>>>
>>>
>> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
>> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
Still can't answer the above question, can you?
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
Jake S.
> "Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
> news:43821D85...@none.none...
>
>>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>
>>>"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
>>>news:43821ABA...@none.none...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>>>><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some who did NOT serve:
>>>>>
>>>>>==================
>>>>>
>>>>>Bubba Clinton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who never supported the war..... and your "point" was?????
>>>
>>>==================
>>>YOu mean this Bill Clinton?
>>>
>>
>>The one you're talking about avoiding service in Viet Nam - a war he
>>opposed? Absolutely.
>
> ========================
>
> Oh i thought you were talking about the bIll Clinton that planned a sneak
> attack on Iraq and bombing campaign for many days without UN approval or
> GASP , even the French.
No, I was talking about the Bill (or Bubba) Clinton YOU were talking
about who avoided serving in Viet Nam - since he opposed that war......
whereas Dick Cheney, who supported the war, STILL avoided (5 differments
including getting his wife pregnant on schedulej) serving since he had
"other priorities"......
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
George Grapman
George Grapman
ouroboros rex
"Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag" <LL...@aol.com> wrote in message
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rofl Same sad old pre-Blix quotes, different day. lol
p.s. Surrender noted.
ouroboros rex
Coward.
Pookie
"Sam Snide" <ssn...@i-s-e.com> wrote in message
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> What's your point, Ace?
It's a respose to this balanced piece that was posted here yesterday:
Service in the Armed Forces
A list of who's served our country
Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Paraplegic from war injuries, served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and
Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve, student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.
Republicans -- the guys sending people to Afghanistan and Iraq:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve, several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill First: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve, seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve, "Bad knee." (The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.)
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; failed to
show up for required ...
* B-1 Bob Dornan: enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit Purple
Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8
years as quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
> "Pookie" <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:6Eogf.15162$ha2....@fe08.lga...
Jake S.
I think I heard him hit a wall.... but it was a long, long way off, so I
could be mistaken. ;)
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Captain Compassion
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Some who did NOT serve:
>
>* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard
>* Dick Cheney: did not serve, several deferments
>* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
>* Tom Delay: did not serve.
>* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
>* Bill First: did not serve.
>* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
>* Trent Lott: did not serve.
>* John Ashcroft: did not serve, seven deferments
>* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
>* Karl Rove: did not serve.
>* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
>* Richard Perle: did not serve.
>* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
>* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
>* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
>* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
>* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
>* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
>* Michael Savage: did not serve.
>* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
>
*Harry Reid
*Nancy Polosi
>-----
>
>"The only truly new ideas [the right] has come up with
>in the last twenty years are:(1) supply side economics, which is a way of redistributing
>the wealth upward toward those who already have more than
>they know what to do with, and; (2) creationism, which is a parallel idea for redistributing
>ignorance out from its fundamentalist strongholds to those
>who know more than they need to.
>
>-Barbara Ehrenreich
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- Dick Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMverizon.net
Jake S.
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Coward.
>
> ===========================
Yeah, Clinton should have at least flown on one of his bombing attacks on
Iraq since he loathes the military so much.
Rob Olsen
How many bombing runs has bush flown on?
You're an idiot.
Jake S.
And you could have told the truth at least ONCE.... since you value it
SO much.
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message news:438220E...@none.none...
Oh, i thought you were talking about the Clinton that defended Bush on teh
Iraq war.
Clinton defends Bush on war in Iraq
Larry Elder (back to web version)
July 31, 2003
President George W. Bush, under siege for "misleading" the country into war
against Iraq, received some help from an unusual source -- former President
Bill Clinton.
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and
chemical material unaccounted for . . . it is incontestable that on the day
I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks . . . " said Clinton
recently on "Larry King Live." Also, Clinton said he never found out whether
a U.S.-British bombing campaign he ordered in 1998 ended Saddam's stockpiles
of or his capability of producing chemical and biological weapons. "We might
have gotten it all, we might have gotten half of it, we might have gotten
none of it. But we didn't know," said Clinton.
Presidential contender Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., actually suggested
impeachment of the president over Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech
reference about an Iraqi-Africa uranium connection. But Clinton said, " . .
. The White House said . . . that on balance they probably shouldn't have
put that comment in the speech. What happened, often happens. There was a
disagreement between British intelligence and American intelligence. The
president said it was British intelligence that said it. . . . British
intelligence still maintain that they think the nuclear story was true. I
don't know what was true, what was false. . . . Here's what happens: every
day the president gets a daily brief from the CIA. And then, if it's some
important issue -- and believe me, you know, anything having to do with
chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons became much more important to
everybody in the White House after September the 11th -- then they probably
told the president, certainly Condoleezza Rice, that this is what the
British intelligence thought."
About the gravity of the president's "error" -- never mind that the British
still stand by the Africa/uranium assertion -- Clinton said, "You know,
everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as
many calls as you have to without messing up once in a while. The thing we
ought to be focused on is what is the right thing to do right now."
Why does Clinton, a consistent and persistent critic of this administration,
suddenly leap to Bush's defense? After all, polls show Bush's popularity
coming down from the post-major-Iraqi-war-operations peak. And the White
House appears off-balance in their defense of Bush's speech reference to
Iraqi attempts at purchasing uranium in Africa. Furthermore, Americans quite
understandably show concern over the almost daily headlines of anti-American
Iraqis ambushing soldiers.
Clinton's motives? Check out the just-released Joint Congressional Committee
report on 9-11. Under Clinton's watch, the Committee reports how
intelligence apparatus failed to connect the dots. Yes, lapses occurred
under the current president, but Clinton missed numerous opportunities to
focus on the growing terror threat, including opportunities to get Osama bin
Laden. Clinton knows that constant browbeating over the alleged lack of
Iraqi "imminence" and of Bush's "security failures" serves only to make
Clinton's presidency look bad. If anything, the "imminent threat" loomed
during Clinton's administration, and he knows he took insufficient action to
quell it.
Meanwhile, the Bush anti-war critics either support or sit silently as Bush
ponders the use of our military to stop civil war bloodshed in Liberia -- a
humanitarian mission. But does the existence of Iraqi shallow graves,
torture chambers, and executions translate into support, if belated, for the
war against Iraq?
Human Rights Watch says, "The Arab Ba'ath Socialist Party has been in power
in Iraq since 1968. Under the leadership of President Saddam Hussein, who
seized power in 1979, the Iraqi government has committed a vast number of
crimes against the Iraqi people and others, using terror through various
levels of police, military, and intelligence agencies to control and
intimidate large segments of the Iraqi population. Two Iraqi groups in
particular have suffered horrific abuses -- the Kurds in the north, and
Shi'a populations in the south. Two decades of oppression against Iraq's
Kurds and Kurdish resistance culminated in 1988 with a genocidal campaign,
and the use of chemical weapons, against Kurdish civilians, resulting in
over 100,000 deaths. . . . Saddam Hussein and others . . . are responsible
for a vast number of crimes that constitute genocide, war crimes, and crimes
against humanity. The victims of such crimes include up to 290,000 persons
who have been 'disappeared' since the late 1970s, many of whom are believed
to have been killed."
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan opposed the war in Iraq, despite the
U.S.'s national security concerns. Back then, Annan said, "My position has
always been very clear, that I think it would be unwise to attack Iraq,
given the current circumstances of what's happening in the Middle East." Yet
Annan now demands that the U.S. send troops to Liberia, "I think we can
really salvage the situation if troops were to be deployed urgently and
promptly."
Maybe Annan might benefit from a chat with former President Clinton.
©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20030731.shtml
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
I dont have to. Clinton already Defended Bush.
Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag
"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
Jake S.
comparing
(in his choice to NOT serve in Viet Nam.... since Clinton opposed the
war) to Dick Cheney
who "supported the war in Viet Nam" as long as HE didn't have to go
fight....
Clear now?
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Rich Travsky
>
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:20:02 -0500, "Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag"
> <LL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> >news:dlt8el$b3n$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
> >>
> >> Coward.
> >>
> >> ===========================
> >
> >
> >Yeah, Clinton should have at least flown on one of his bombing attacks on
> >Iraq since he loathes the military so much.
>
> How many bombing runs has bush flown on?
>
> You're an idiot.
Imagine Chickenhawk Cheney in a flight suit... there's an image that doesn't go away
easily... yuck
Friendly Fire
"Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
Bush supports all war where he and his family and buddies can make money yet
he nor not one of them ever support America. Just their Wall Street Pals.
Friendly Fire
"Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag" <LL...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:43822d03$0$6375$a82e...@reader.athenanews.com...
Clinton DOES NOT support Bush.
Jake S.
>
> Bush supports all war where he and his family and buddies can make money yet
> he nor not one of them ever support America. Just their Wall Street Pals.
>
>
And Carlyle compadres, and Saudi Bros. America? Especially those who
have family members in combat? End of the list.
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
Keri Larkin
William Clinton: Dodged the Draft did not serve
Hillary CLinton: Did not serve
Charles Schumer: Did not serve
Harry Reid: Did not serve
Nancy Pelosi: Did not serve
Al Franken: Did not serve
Michael Moore: Did not serve
Rhandi Rhodes: Did not serve
Janet Reno: Did not serve
George Stephanopolus: Did not serve
Warren Beatty: Did not serve
Rob Reiner: Did not serve
barbara Striesand: Did not serve
"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Some who did NOT serve:
>
> * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard
> * Dick Cheney: did not serve, several deferments
> * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> * Tom Delay: did not serve.
> * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> * Bill First: did not serve.
> * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> * Trent Lott: did not serve.
> * John Ashcroft: did not serve, seven deferments
> * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> * Karl Rove: did not serve.
> * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> * Richard Perle: did not serve.
> * Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
> * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
> * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> * Michael Savage: did not serve.
> * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
>
>
robw
Do yr know what being "faced' means?
"Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag" <LL...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> > <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > Some who did NOT serve:
> ==================
>
> Bubba Clinton
>
>
Rob Olsen
wrote:
>Liberal Cowards'
So you're saying that everyone I listed below is a coward?
Everyone in the Bush administration other then Rumsfeld?
And all of the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate are
cowards?
I'm surprised to see you admit that.
.
David Moffitt
GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
David Moffitt
> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some who did NOT serve:
>>
>> Bubba Clinton
>>
>>
> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
%%%% Cheney had children and Clinton lied and ran away to Europe.
GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
>
Jake S.
> "Jake S." <no...@none.none> wrote in message
> news:43822C87...@none.none...
>
>>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>
>>>"ouroboros rex" <c-b...@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:dlt8el$b3n$1...@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Coward.
>>>>
>>>>===========================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, Clinton should have at least flown on one of his bombing attacks
>>
> on
>
>>>Iraq since he loathes the military so much.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And you could have told the truth at least ONCE.... since you value it
>>SO much.
>>
>>==================================================
>
>
>
> townhall.com
>
> Clinton defends Bush on war in Iraq
> Larry Elder (back to web version)
>
And this has to do with YOU telling the truth? How?
--
Jake Starling
czmisso...@zephyr.net
George Grapman
> "George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:d%ogf.32694$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>> "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some who did NOT serve:
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> Bubba Clinton
>>>
>>>
>> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
>> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
>
> %%%% Cheney had children and Clinton lied and ran away to Europe.
One would think a military exert like you would know that leaving the
country had no effect on your draft status.
Remember under right wing logic Clinton who openly opposed the war
was a draft dodger,Kerry who served admirably and later opposed the war
is a traitor,Cleland is a crybaby and McCain was brainwashed but all the
war wimps who supported the war as long as others did the fighting were
patriots.
David Moffitt
> David Moffitt wrote:
>> "George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:d%ogf.32694$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>>> "Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>>> <pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Some who did NOT serve:
>>>> ==================
>>>>
>>>> Bubba Clinton
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
>>> supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the
>>> draft?
>>
>> %%%% Cheney had children and Clinton lied and ran away to Europe.
>
>
> One would think a military exert like you would know that leaving the
> country had no effect on your draft status.
> Remember under right wing logic Clinton who openly opposed the war was a
> draft dodger,Kerry who served admirably and later opposed the war is a
> traitor,Cleland is a crybaby and McCain was brainwashed but all the war
> wimps who supported the war as long as others did the fighting were
> patriots.
%%%% Remember I served and you did a Cheney.
frogm...@yahoo.com
> Liberal Cowards
> William Clinton: Dodged the Draft did not serve
> Hillary CLinton: Did not serve
> Charles Schumer: Did not serve
> Harry Reid: Did not serve
> Nancy Pelosi: Did not serve
> Al Franken: Did not serve
> Michael Moore: Did not serve
> Rhandi Rhodes: Did not serve
> Janet Reno: Did not serve
> George Stephanopolus: Did not serve
> Warren Beatty: Did not serve
> Rob Reiner: Did not serve
> barbara Striesand: Did not serve
>
Randi Rhodes served and speaks of her service often. I don't know
about the rest of the list but please list the wars that they advocated
for and were eligible to serve in but refused to serve. That is point.
Supposedly on the set of the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, John Wayne
felt harrassed since he avoided service in WWII whereas both John Ford
and Jimmy Stewart served.
---Jay
<BIG SNIP due to top posting>
Server 13
> "George Grapman" <sfge...@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:d%ogf.32694$6e1....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
>>
>>>"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
>>>news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
>>>><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Some who did NOT serve:
>>>
>>>==================
>>>
>>>Bubba Clinton
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Aside from the fact that Clinton openly opposed the war and Cheney
>>supported it what is th difference between how they dealt with the draft?
>
>
> %%%% Cheney had children and Clinton lied and ran away to Europe.
lie
>
> GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
> make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
rofl When do you start?
Server 13
lol Suuuure you did.
and you did a Cheney.
>
> GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
> make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
rofl When do you start?
Server 13
> Liberal Cowards
> William Clinton: Dodged the Draft did not serve
> Hillary CLinton: Did not serve
> Charles Schumer: Did not serve
> Harry Reid: Did not serve
> Nancy Pelosi: Did not serve
> Al Franken: Did not serve
> Michael Moore: Did not serve
> Rhandi Rhodes: Did not serve
> Janet Reno: Did not serve
> George Stephanopolus: Did not serve
> Warren Beatty: Did not serve
> Rob Reiner: Did not serve
> barbara Striesand: Did not serve
How many chickenhawks in that list?
Oh, and you served, right, 'keri'? lol
Server 13
> %%%% I noticed you left your name off of the list.
translation: droooooool
>
> GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
> make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
rofl When do you start?
>
>
Occam's Razor
"Server 13" <c-b...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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%%%% I tell you what Ace. You post your DD214 and I'll post mine. Do we have
a deal?
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as a tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#11 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
Occam's Razor
> David Moffitt wrote:
>
>> %%%% I noticed you left your name off of the list.
>
> translation: droooooool
%%%% Translation: Chickenshit leftard coward. You post your DD214 and I'll
post mine. Do we have a deal?
Rules to be a Lefty
#1 Lying is OK
#2 Never admit you lie
#3 Other peoples money is rightfully yours
#4 The environment is as fragile as a tulip
#5 Never miss a chance to hate
#6 Diversity is only skin deep
#7 Use personal insults or name-call people who question you
#8 Killing a baby is OK, killing a murderer is wrong
#9 World peace can be achieved through appeasement
#11 When in doubt, always, ALWAYS, refer to rule #1
>
>
>>
THEY LIED US INTO WAR!
Occam's Razor wrote:
A place for everything and everything in it's place. Pigeon Holes.
Racial classification and Class warfare.
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E.L. Chamberlain
> > Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
> > >
> > >>Lying LIberal Lying Scumbag wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>"Rob Olsen" <R...@burningbush.org> wrote in message
> > >>>news:n164o1pr1q5ne5hft...@4ax.com...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:48:25 -0500, "Pookie"
> > >>>><pooki...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Some who did NOT serve:
> > >>>
> > >>>==================
> > >>>
> > >>>Bubba Clinton
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ==================
> > > YOu mean this Bill Clinton?
> > >
> >
> > The one you're talking about avoiding service in Viet Nam - a war he
> > opposed? Absolutely.
> ========================
>
> Oh i thought you were talking about the bIll Clinton that planned a sneak
> attack on Iraq and bombing campaign for many days without UN approval or
> GASP , even the French.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> CLINTON: Good evening.
>
>
>
> Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and
> security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission
> is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and
> its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
>
>
>
> And so we had to act and act now.
>
>
>
> Let me explain why.
>
>
>
> First, without a strong inspection system, Iraq would be free to retain and
> begin to rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs in
> months, not years
>
>
>
>
>
> If we had delayed for even a matter of days from Chairman Butler's report,
> we would have given Saddam more time to disperse his forces and protect his
> weapons.
>
>
>
> And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will
> deploy them, and he will use them.
>
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Looks like Clinton accomplished his goals and your buddy Bush got over
2,200 of our troops killed for nothing. Way to go.
Rich Travsky
They're not the ones supporting a war based on lies - unlike chickenhawks
like you.