Hydrogen Cars Exist
Tian
Or, if that doesn't work try this version of the same thing:
http://tinyurl.com/3suk56
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Don Stockbauer
> http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:3:s_205c1d47841b...
I have a question.
This Honda uses a fuel cell stack.
Why could we go to hydrogen gas powered vehicles?
That is, no fuel cells, you just burn hydrogen directly just as
propane or liquified-petroleum (LP) gas is burned directly now in
internal combustion vehicles.
So you avoid making all those fuel cells.
And present IC vehicles could be modified to use it.
And the biggest advantage - hydrogen derived from water using solar
energy is a pollutionless/greeenhouse gas-less fuel.
Lots of sunlight and water around.
I know hydrogen is more difficult to handle. Iceland seems to be
working that out as it goes to a full hydrogen economy. One thing you
do is fuel from above the vehicle so that if there is a leak the gas
goes up away from everybody
Somebody was worried that we'd leak enough of it into space that we'd
eventually lose all our bodies of water, but then you said it's so
volatile it would never make into space.
So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
Tian
> On Jun 24, 2:04 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:3:s_205c1d47841b...
>>
>> Or, if that doesn't work try this version of the same thing:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/3suk56
>
> I have a question.
>
> This Honda uses a fuel cell stack.
>
> Why could we go to hydrogen gas powered vehicles?
>
> That is, no fuel cells, you just burn hydrogen directly just as
> propane or liquified-petroleum (LP) gas is burned directly now in
> internal combustion vehicles.
>
> So you avoid making all those fuel cells.
Those fuel cells are much more efficient than IC engines.
>
> And present IC vehicles could be modified to use it.
>
> And the biggest advantage - hydrogen derived from water using solar
> energy is a pollutionless/greeenhouse gas-less fuel.
>
> Lots of sunlight and water around.
The closer to where the stuff is cracked that it is consumed the better.
>
> I know hydrogen is more difficult to handle. Iceland seems to be
> working that out as it goes to a full hydrogen economy. One thing you
> do is fuel from above the vehicle so that if there is a leak the gas
> goes up away from everybody
>
> Somebody was worried that we'd leak enough of it into space that we'd
> eventually lose all our bodies of water, but then you said it's so
> volatile it would never make into space.
>
> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
>
Anyway, you wanted a hydrogen economy, and now a piece if it is realer.
Mudge
On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
Said the Flea, lets us fly
Said the Fly, let is flee
So they flew, through the flaw in the Flue !!
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Mudge
On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
Said the Flea, lets us fly
Said the Fly, let us flee
Don Stockbauer
Ok.
Clears up that question.
Don Stockbauer
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 2:04 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> >>http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?ef_id=1097:3:s_205c1d47841b...
>
> >> Or, if that doesn't work try this version of the same thing:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/3suk56
>
> > I have a question.
>
> > This Honda uses a fuel cell stack.
>
> > Why could we go to hydrogen gas powered vehicles?
>
> > That is, no fuel cells, you just burn hydrogen directly just as
> > propane or liquified-petroleum (LP) gas is burned directly now in
> > internal combustion vehicles.
>
> > So you avoid making all those fuel cells.
>
> Those fuel cells are much more efficient than IC engines.
>
>
>
> > And present IC vehicles could be modified to use it.
>
> > And the biggest advantage - hydrogen derived from water using solar
> > energy is a pollutionless/greeenhouse gas-less fuel.
>
> > Lots of sunlight and water around.
>
> The closer to where the stuff is cracked that it is consumed the better.
Or looked at another way, if it is cracked in an unpopulated area
which has abundant sunlight and water, then those areas become
consuming areas by becoming populated.
>
> > I know hydrogen is more difficult to handle. Iceland seems to be
> > working that out as it goes to a full hydrogen economy. One thing you
> > do is fuel from above the vehicle so that if there is a leak the gas
> > goes up away from everybody
>
> > Somebody was worried that we'd leak enough of it into space that we'd
> > eventually lose all our bodies of water, but then you said it's so
> > volatile it would never make into space.
>
> > So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
>
> Anyway, you wanted a hydrogen economy, and now a piece if it is realer.
Ok, then fuel cells it is for now.
However , I was kind of thinking about the far future, thousands,
millions of years from now. It just seems to me that producing H gas
wherever you have sunlight and water would be the thing to do. As far
as shipping it, you'd ship it using H for fuel. It's really just a
way of turning solar energy into a gas you can use more conveniently
than directly using solar energy. Plus, fuel cells need fuel , as
their name implies. If your going to start running civilization on
them you need to get the fuel from somewhere.
Tian
>
> On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
>> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
>
>
> A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
> Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
> Said the Flea, lets us fly
> Said the Fly, let is flee
> So they flew, through the flaw in the Flue !!
>
>
Adam
had 'em.
I think it was my 4th grade teacher that said it was the shortest poem
in the English language. Don't remember hearing or reading a shorter one
since.
Don Stockbauer
> Mudge wrote:
>
> > On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
> >> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
>
> > A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
> > Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
> > Said the Flea, lets us fly
> > Said the Fly, let is flee
> > So they flew, through the flaw in the Flue !!
>
> The one I know about fleas goes like this:
>
> Adam
> had 'em.
>
> I think it was my 4th grade teacher that said it was the shortest poem
> in the English language. Don't remember hearing or reading a shorter one
> since.
>
"Madam, I'm Adam" is a nice short little palimony drome.
"What we could not catch, we kept. What we did catch, we threw away."
Tian
> On Jun 25, 3:22 am, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
>> Mudge wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>>> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
>>> A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
>>> Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
>>> Said the Flea, lets us fly
>>> Said the Fly, let is flee
>>> So they flew, through the flaw in the Flue !!
>> The one I know about fleas goes like this:
>>
>> Adam
>> had 'em.
>>
>> I think it was my 4th grade teacher that said it was the shortest poem
>> in the English language. Don't remember hearing or reading a shorter one
>> since.
>>
>
> "Madam, I'm Adam" is a nice short little palimony drome.
Yeah, but definately longer by several letters.
>
> "What we could not catch, we kept. What we did catch, we threw away."
>
>
We kept nothing but the memories, in other words.
Don Stockbauer
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Jun 25, 3:22 am, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> >> Mudge wrote:
>
> >>> On 06/24/2008 14:26:18 Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >>>> So - got to be e flaw somewhere.
> >>> A Flea and a Fly in a Flue
> >>> Were imprisoned, so what did they do ?
> >>> Said the Flea, lets us fly
> >>> Said the Fly, let is flee
> >>> So they flew, through the flaw in the Flue !!
> >> The one I know about fleas goes like this:
>
> >> Adam
> >> had 'em.
>
> >> I think it was my 4th grade teacher that said it was the shortest poem
> >> in the English language. Don't remember hearing or reading a shorter one
> >> since.
>
> > "Madam, I'm Adam" is a nice short little palimony drome.
>
> Yeah, but definately longer by several letters.
>
> > "What we could not catch, we kept. What we did catch, we threw away."
>
> We kept nothing but the memories, in other words.
>
Yes, memory of the fleas, which can last a long time, believe you me.
Don Stockbauer
Rereaging that, I'm appreciating it more.
Don Stockbauer
cs/Rereaging/Rereading/
Don Stockbauer
Great to be alive.
Gliddy gloop glooby, glibby globby glooby...
(The GWB "Let's Invade a Country" song)
Tian
On the radio Don Henley sings about the end of the innocence.
Don Stockbauer
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > What a wonderful morning.
>
> > Great to be alive.
>
> > Gliddy gloop glooby, glibby globby glooby...
>
> > (The GWB "Let's Invade a Country" song)
>
> On the radio Don Henley sings about the end of the innocence.
>
Or as Philip Jose Farmer wrote in "The Riders of the Purple Wage" -
"The Massacre of the Inner Sense."
Tian
I missed that book. I never could really get PJF. Then later I found out
that he hailed from Peoria IL, where I went to college. Then I never
found time and one of his books to read at the same time. Maybe someday.
Don Stockbauer
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 1:29 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> >> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >>> What a wonderful morning.
> >>> Great to be alive.
> >>> Gliddy gloop glooby, glibby globby glooby...
> >>> (The GWB "Let's Invade a Country" song)
> >> On the radio Don Henley sings about the end of the innocence.
>
> > Or as Philip Jose Farmer wrote in "The Riders of the Purple Wage" -
>
> > "The Massacre of the Inner Sense."
>
> I missed that book. I never could really get PJF. Then later I found out
> that he hailed from Peoria IL, where I went to college. Then I never
> found time and one of his books to read at the same time. Maybe someday.
>
RPS is a long short story, I have it in some anthology. Myself, I cant
remember one other thing I've read of his. But at some point you
might want to read RPS (I need to reread it) because it has the
damnedest wordplay (mostly puns) that I've ever seen, he imitates
Finnegan's Wake.