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Taliesin2

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Apr 13, 2003, 10:23:16 PM4/13/03
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In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
anybody know what her name is?

Terry M

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Apr 13, 2003, 11:02:17 PM4/13/03
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> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
> female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
> anybody know what her name is?

Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)

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Taliesin2

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Apr 13, 2003, 11:08:35 PM4/13/03
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:02:17 GMT, Terry M <terr...@insightbb.com>
wrote:

>> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
>> female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
>> anybody know what her name is?
>
>Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)

Not sure. She seemed a bit young, 30ish. Most if not all the teachers
at Hogwarts seem to be 45 yes old to 65+ yrs old. Are the teachers
aloud guests/SO's at the school?

La Nina

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Apr 13, 2003, 11:45:02 PM4/13/03
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>>> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
>>> female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
>>> anybody know what her name is?
>>
>>Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)
>

I thought that it was Professor Vector. I thought that that was a female
teacher, and she does look like that would be a suited name. Still, I would
have to go through the books again to see if Vector was a woman, and I dont
feel like doing it now, anyone else that can clear that up for me, please give
a shout.

Nina

Petrea Mitchell

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Apr 13, 2003, 11:57:22 PM4/13/03
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At Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:23:16 GMT,
Taliesin2 <taliesin...@yahoo.com> strode forth and proclaimed:

> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
> female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
> anybody know what her name is?

Could be Professor Sinistra or Professor Vector... but the moviemakers have
been pretty good about crediting people playing characters who are named
in the books but don't have speaking parts in the movie, so I would think one
of these two would be listed if they had cast someone as one of them, and I
don't recall her being mentioned in the credits.

So she's probably just a random extra.


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Apr 14, 2003, 12:38:38 AM4/14/03
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"La Nina" <nad...@aol.coma> wrote in message
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She's a witch, according to the Harry Potter Lexicon:
http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/wizards-v-z.html
I wish they listed a passage with evidence for this, though.
HTH, anyway. ^_^

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Kish

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Apr 14, 2003, 1:11:56 AM4/14/03
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Taliesin2 wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:02:17 GMT, Terry M <terr...@insightbb.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
>>>female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
>>>anybody know what her name is?
>>
>>Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)
>
>
> Not sure. She seemed a bit young, 30ish. Most if not all the teachers
> at Hogwarts seem to be 45 yes old to 65+ yrs old.

Definitely not all--Snape's in his thirties--and since he's a Head of
House, it would surprise me if he was the youngest teacher there by that
big a margin.

Markku Uttula

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Apr 14, 2003, 4:34:11 AM4/14/03
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Terry M wrote:
>> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
>> female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
>> anybody know what her name is?
>
> Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)

Nope, Trelawney is not mentioned in the cast list (look at my posting on
this group; subject: "Re: More on POA casting" and the Message-ID:
b7cmg6$7t1$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi ) - the person is propably the
Librarian, madam Pince.

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Dragon Friend

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Apr 14, 2003, 9:43:38 AM4/14/03
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"Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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If you look at the credits and previous posts in the last few days you will
see it is Madam Pince the librarian :-) She is also sat close to him during
the Quidditch match, just behind him and to his right :-) As also stated in
the last few days (and the books) Professor Trelawny doesn't eat with the
staff usually, she prefers to eat in her tower alone.

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Thomas

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Apr 14, 2003, 11:04:24 AM4/14/03
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Petrea Mitchell <pr...@parkstreet.m5p.com> wrote in message news:<v9kcd21...@corp.supernews.com>...

> At Mon, 14 Apr 2003 02:23:16 GMT,
> Taliesin2 <taliesin...@yahoo.com> strode forth and proclaimed:
>
> > In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is a
> > female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
> > anybody know what her name is?
>
> Could be Professor Sinistra or Professor Vector... but the moviemakers have
> been pretty good about crediting people playing characters who are named
> in the books but don't have speaking parts in the movie, so I would think one
> of these two would be listed if they had cast someone as one of them, and I
> don't recall her being mentioned in the credits.
>
> So she's probably just a random extra.

No. She's the librarian. She shows up in several scenes, and appears
to be dressed the same each time.

Rick

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Apr 14, 2003, 2:58:19 PM4/14/03
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"Dragon Friend" <dragonNO...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Kish" <Kis...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:wqrma.1941$A31.18...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com
> > Taliesin2 wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:02:17 GMT, Terry M <terr...@insightbb.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table, there is
> >>>> a female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus Snape. Does
> >>>> anybody know what her name is?
> >>>
> >>> Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)
> >>
> >>
> >> Not sure. She seemed a bit young, 30ish. Most if not all the teachers
> >> at Hogwarts seem to be 45 yes old to 65+ yrs old.
> >
> > Definitely not all--Snape's in his thirties--and since he's a Head of
> > House, it would surprise me if he was the youngest teacher there by
> > that big a margin.
>
> If you look at the credits and previous posts in the last few days you will
> see it is Madam Pince the librarian :-) She is also sat close to him during
> the Quidditch match, just behind him and to his right :-) As also stated in
> the last few days (and the books) Professor Trelawny doesn't eat with the
> staff usually, she prefers to eat in her tower alone.
>

It's no doubt she prefers to eat alone; look how McGonagall treated her
the one time we have seen her eating with the group. Moreover, look how
much help she gives Dumbledore when her inner eye isn't clouded -- all that
information on the future just rolling off her lips.

Tennant Stuart

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Apr 14, 2003, 12:29:13 PM4/14/03
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In article <HTqma.4685$554.3749@fed1read05>,

"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:

> "La Nina" <nad...@aol.coma> wrote in message
> news:20030413234502...@mb-ch.aol.com...

>>>>> In the CoS at the end when the teachers are at the table,
>>>>> there is a female teacher in all black sitting next to Severus
>>>>> Snape. Does anybody know what her name is?

>>>> Isn't that Professor Trelawny (sp)

>> I thought that it was Professor Vector. I thought that that was a
>> female teacher, and she does look like that would be a suited name.
>> Still, I would have to go through the books again to see if Vector
>> was a woman, and I dont feel like doing it now, anyone else that
>> can clear that up for me, please give a shout.

> She's a witch, according to the Harry Potter Lexicon:
> http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/wizards-v-z.html
> I wish they listed a passage with evidence for this, though.
> HTH, anyway. ^_^

We're told the very first time her name is mentioned, Catherine.

In PoA-12, Ron tells Harry that he heard Hermione "talking to
Professor Vector, that Arithmancy witch".


The slightly tricky one is Professor Sinistra, who danced with
Mad-Eye Moody in GoF-23, and nervously avoided his wooden leg
while he did an extremely ungainly two-step. It's a fair that
Sinistra is a witch, but we can't prove it from canon.


However, in the Connection Interview (I'm not sure if Troels has a
definitive version ready yet) JKR said on 12th October 1999 that if
you look down the staff list in the school, you will find that it is
exactly 50% women and 50% men as teachers.

Assuming that Professor Vector is a witch, it works out like this...

Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
Professor Sprout (Herbology) Severus Snape (Potions)
Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) various (Care of MC)
Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)


..and if we assume that JKR meant the whole staff, then this...

Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
Irma Pince (Librarian) Argus Filch (Caretaker)
Poppy Pomfrey (Nurse) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Rubeus Hagrid (Keeper K+G)
Professor Sprout (Herbology) Professor Kettleburn (CoMC)
Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) Severus Snape (Potions)
Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)


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Markku Uttula

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Apr 14, 2003, 7:39:05 PM4/14/03
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Tennant Stuart wrote:
> The slightly tricky one is Professor Sinistra, who danced with
> Mad-Eye Moody in GoF-23, and nervously avoided his wooden leg
> while he did an extremely ungainly two-step. It's a fair that
> Sinistra is a witch, but we can't prove it from canon.

Very much true, however taking into account that we've never seen two
people of the same sex dance with each other - not even Fred & George,
which I would've thinked was a normal behaviour on teens of their age...
just for the laughs, I'm quite willing to take it as a fact that prof.
Sinistra is in fact a female - ie. a witch.

Troels Forchhammer

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Apr 15, 2003, 6:45:32 PM4/15/03
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Tennant Stuart wrote:
>
> However, in the Connection Interview (I'm not sure if Troels has a
> definitive version ready yet)

The most definitive (I think it is at least 99% reliable as to
wording and 100% reliable as to meaning) is at
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/interviews/19991012_TheConnection.html>

> JKR said on 12th October 1999 that if you look down the staff
> list in the school, you will find that it is exactly 50%
> women and 50% men as teachers.

Exactly!
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/interviews/19991012_TheConnection.html#question29>
(This is why I want the chats and interviews to have individual
targets ;-)

> Assuming that Professor Vector is a witch, it works out like this...

Why assume Vector is a witch - I thought that was canonical - isn't it
Prof. Sinistra you're making the assumption about?

> Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
> Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
> Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
> Professor Sprout (Herbology) Severus Snape (Potions)
> Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) various (Care of MC)
> Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)
>
> ..and if we assume that JKR meant the whole staff, then this...
>
> Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
> Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
> Irma Pince (Librarian) Argus Filch (Caretaker)
> Poppy Pomfrey (Nurse) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
> Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Rubeus Hagrid (Keeper K+G)
> Professor Sprout (Herbology) Professor Kettleburn (CoMC)
> Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) Severus Snape (Potions)
> Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)

Hmm - it would seem that Kettleburn's resignation upset things if
we look at the total staff - and a new female DADA teacher in book 5
will upset it regardless. Makes me wonder if we will see some new
male teachers or other staff introduced in OotP to balance things.

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Tennant Stuart

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Apr 16, 2003, 12:06:55 PM4/16/03
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In article <b7fgon$r0h$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>, "Markku Uttula"
<markku...@disconova.com> wrote:

> Tennant Stuart wrote:

>> The slightly tricky one is Professor Sinistra, who danced with
>> Mad-Eye Moody in GoF-23, and nervously avoided his wooden leg
>> while he did an extremely ungainly two-step. It's a fair that
>> Sinistra is a witch, but we can't prove it from canon.

> Very much true, however taking into account that we've never seen two
> people of the same sex dance with each other - not even Fred & George,
> which I would've thinked was a normal behaviour on teens of their age...
> just for the laughs, I'm quite willing to take it as a fact that prof.
> Sinistra is in fact a female - ie. a witch.

Me too, but alas it does not constitute proof.


Tennant

Tennant Stuart

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Apr 16, 2003, 12:10:51 PM4/16/03
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In article <3E9C8B8C...@ThisIsFake.dk>, Troels Forchhammer
<Tro...@ThisIsFake.dk> wrote:

> Tennant Stuart wrote:

>> However, in the Connection Interview (I'm not sure if Troels has a
>> definitive version ready yet)

> The most definitive (I think it is at least 99% reliable as to
> wording and 100% reliable as to meaning) is
> at

> http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/interviews/
19991012_TheConnection.html

Thanks!


>> JKR said on 12th October 1999 that if you look down the staff
>> list in the school, you will find that it is exactly 50%
>> women and 50% men as teachers.

> Exactly!

> http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/interviews/
19991012_TheConnection.html#question29

> (This is why I want the chats and interviews to have individual
> targets ;-)

>> Assuming that Professor Vector is a witch, it works out like this...

> Why assume Vector is a witch - I thought that was canonical - isn't it
> Prof. Sinistra you're making the assumption about?

Oops, my bad. Thanks.


>> Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
>> Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
>> Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
>> Professor Sprout (Herbology) Severus Snape (Potions)
>> Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) various (Care of MC)
>> Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)

>> ..and if we assume that JKR meant the whole staff, then this...

>> Madam Hooch (Quidditch) Professor Binns (History)
>> Minerva McGonagall (Transfig) Albus Dumbledore (Headmaster)
>> Irma Pince (Librarian) Argus Filch (Caretaker)
>> Poppy Pomfrey (Nurse) Professor Flitwick (Charms)
>> Professor Sinistra (Astronomy) Rubeus Hagrid (Keeper K+G)
>> Professor Sprout (Herbology) Professor Kettleburn (CoMC)
>> Sibyll Trelawney (Divinations) Severus Snape (Potions)
>> Professor Vector (Arithmancy) various (Defence AtDA)

> Hmm - it would seem that Kettleburn's resignation upset things if
> we look at the total staff - and a new female DADA teacher in book 5
> will upset it regardless. Makes me wonder if we will see some new
> male teachers or other staff introduced in OotP to balance things.

Very probably, but it does reinforce the argument that Sinistra is female.


Tennant

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