Gay?
healormor
Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
enlighten me?
Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
Healormor
Sumiya Yuki
"healormor" <healo...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> *really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
>
> Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews,
etc.
> is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be
missing
> something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> enlighten me?
>
Simple. A bunch of nutter homophobes are simply going out of their way to
annoy actual fans. The closest canonical pairing that could feasibly exist
is Lupin and Sirius. The reunion in PoA was a great bit of writing. And
Sirius apparently went off to stay with Lupin (I know it's stated somewhere
officially... someone wanna point me? x.x;)
And then there's the whole Harry/Draco thing. The 'Good Guy/Bad Guy' pairing
is always amusing, but for these two, it works on many different levels. For
one thing, they have drastically different appearances.
Then there's the fact that a good number of Potter fans also like anime (And
vice versa, of course). This leads to fanart. I've found some beautiful
anime-styled art of the Potterverse characters over the past few months. And
that's simply how I envision them. Blame my being so into the Japanese way
of drawing, I guess. It's why it almost hurts to read Draco being so damned
obnoxious in the books. Why, right now I'm trying to work out a LOGICAL
"Draco is a vampire" story that's also a Potter/Malfoy pairing. A slow one.
A VERY slow one. I, myself, have written speedier coupling fics with the
two. But my personal preference when *I* read them, is a slow start that
tries to make sense of them. I don't like "Draco..." "You... you called me
Draco..." "Draco, there's something I've wanted to say since I first saw
you..." It just doesn't sit well with me when they both just RANDOMLY say
they love each other. You have to make it WORK. And after the remarks Draco
gave, cold-heartedly talking of Cedric at the end of Goblet, it would be
quite hard indeed. The only logical way would be for Draco to truly hit
puberty and gain an Aura of Smooth. x.x;
> Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
>
> Healormor
>
>
--
Yuki
Harry sat beside Draco, fidgeting slightly before looking over to meet his
gaze. “Bite me, Malfoy.” Draco cocked an eyebrow at this, replying, “Well
there’s no need to be rude, Potter. You asked, though.” He crossed his arms
in indignation. Harry rolled his eyes and tugged his shirt out from his neck
”I *mean*, you stupid git, that you can take a bite out of me, as long
as it’s just to give yourself a ‘bit of a refill’"
Draco stared at Harry as if the boy had suddenly grown another head. “Come
again, Potter?” Harry let go of his shirt, turning and glaring at the
blonde. “Are
all vampires as dense as you, or are you the exception, Malfoy?” Draco
smirked
at this, replying, “Well, it’s not every day that the person you’ve spent
the whole
of your Hogwarts life fighting with comes up and says that you can drink his
blood, you know."
Harry rolled his eyes again. “Look, do you want that craving of yours to get
even worse or *don’t* you? I don’t feel that jolly about this myself, but I
can’t
just let you wither away. Life at Hogwarts might end up being too boring
without you around, constantly annoying me.” Draco’s smirk grew at this.
”Oh, is the famous Harry Potter saying that he needs me in his life now? How
touching.”
Beth Baxter
It's probably just that the anti-HP freaks are unable to distinguish
between JKR's intentions and the slashy fantasies of a minority of
HP fans. Maybe they don't realize that this kind of fan fiction is not
limited to HP!
The most I would say about the books themselves is that JKR, as a
woman, tends to idealise her male characters and their friendships,
and this probably provides a lot of inspiration for slash fiction.
But I don't know ... I'd be interested to see what others say on this
subject.
Beth Baxter
Paolo Lucchesi
> *really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
>
> Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
> is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
> something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> enlighten me?
This sound new to me, and I'm curious. Could you post some examples?
Anyhow, I think that the main reason is simply that anti-HP people are
fundamentalist bigots, and therefore omophoboes...
bye
--
Paolo Lucchesi
email: pluc...@tin.it
homepage: http://www.paololucchesi.it
"Non viviamo in un mondo perfetto (per fortuna)"
mag3
in a message dated Sun, 06 Apr 2003 09:54:53 GMT:
>Then there's the fact that a good number of Potter fans also like anime (And
>vice versa, of course).
Myself included (Cardcaptor Sakura, GTO, Love Hina, FLCL, Steel Angel Kurumi
etc.). This thread reminds me of all the fan speculation in CCS about Tomoyo &
Sakura and Yukito/Toya (this paring being perhaps a bit closer to reality than
the other).
As for the HP crew, my gut feeling is that any implications of Homosexuality
are purely coincidental, not intentional at this point. Still, given JKR's
passion for the fight against bigotry in all forms, perhaps she may very well
take on Homophobia in one of the last three remaining books. We shall see.
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Andrew Duston
<healo...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>*really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
>
>Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
>is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
>fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
>alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
>something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
>enlighten me?
Well, as you know males aren't allowed to have positive friendships
where they actually care about each other (without acting like
neanderthal vulgarians), at least from the worldview and POV of those
anti-HP types. So when something comes along that's actually positive
and beneficial to boys and is shown in such a wonderfully positive
way, and is popular, they get all antsy-pantsy and indignant and their
very active imaginations start whirling that... anything this popular
must be bad and must be evil and must be promoting homosexuality
SOMEWHERE, right?? And before you know it, they've discovered a very
gay thing...SOMEWHERE! They can't exactly figure out where but they
know it must be SOMEWHERE, right??
Obviously, the whole notion of the HP "promoting" homosexuality is so
laughibly ludicrous that in a normally sane world, we wouldn't even be
mentioning it. Alas, as we can all surmise too well, the world is far
from normally sane, both on this side of the ocean, and the opposite
side. The only thing that exists in the actual books is friendship and
caring, which is, of course, anathema to everything those bigoted
blowhards stand for.
There are millions of boys all over the world with friendships like
Harry's and Ron's. Seeing them portrayed in print in the HP books is a
wonderful reminder of the good times (and some bad times too) shared
in those friendships. And probably part of the reason for the books'
phenomenal appeal. Those anti-HP sites reveal FAR more about their own
dark cheerless joyless world than they do about the HP universe,
that's for sure.
Come to think of it, if they were sorted they would all be in
Slytherin! (but maybe Slytherin just isn't bad enough for them!)
-Andy
Frank Wustner
It is simply a matter of projection. In their minds, anything that
disagrees with one part of their world-view must automatically disagree
with the rest of it.
"Magic and witchcraft?! Oh God(tm)! If it promotes that, then it also
promotes homosexuality, freedom for women, the ACLU, and sacrificing cute
widdle bunny-wabbits to Satan!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"
They do not want or need proof of this. Facts and reality take a back
seat to their religious bigotry.
--
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Cinemalad5
Andrew, your points are brilliant. I couldn't have put it better myself!
I think it's pushing things more than a bit to overexamine the books in a hunt
for homosexual themes. Just as everyone's a film critic these days, everyone
also seems to practice Freudian psychoanalyses on even the most innocent
literary characters & situations.
It's not that there can't be a place for homosexual characters or feelings
within children's literature, it's just inappropriate to search for it in the
HARRY POTTER stories thus far, not so much because of homosexuality per se, but
rather that the presence of sex -- be it straight OR gay -- seems uncomfortable
and out of place.
You are dead on in talking about friendships, particularly between male
adolescents. I remember my early teens, and, strangely enough, many guys of
shallow personality wouldn't have been caught dead admitting any sincere
feelings of friendship love to even their "closest" friends. (When they're
young, they assume it's better to be a loner than a "sissy".)
But in the case of more intelligent people, and Harry and Ron certainly fall
among them, the bonds between people can grow so strong that they even
transcend friendship -- it's more like a brotherhood or partnership, a pairing
based on love, but NOT with any sexual implications whatsoever.
Friendships are unlike any other type of love. They are both inpenetrably
strong and rediculously fragile. True friendships can withstand the passage of
time and even the threat of death...yet can also be destroyed by a single cruel
word.
...And still, these boys are stubborn. After their argument in GoF, Harry &
Ron acknowledge their mutual friendship and make their apologies, but do so in
a VERY restrained, "macho" way -- leaving Hermione to end up with tears in her
eyes, and embracing them both. Such behavior is both very endearing to read
and, of course, quite humorous in its portrayal of these characters.
Girls usually mature sooner than boys, and, while girls can be certainly
competitive, they also are far more comfortable in expressing their emotions to
each other. Indeed, intimate chatter is their social staple (that's why guys
are perpetually banned from the notorious event known as "Girls' night out.")
From my experience growing up, such "male restraint" -- if you want to call it
that -- dwindles as we get older (unless, of course, you're completely gung-ho
in the military, the conservative right, or just extremely paranoid and/or
homophobic). First of all, the issue of sex -- which to young eyes seems like
a complete and total, inattainable mystery -- is no longer a taboo. (As they
get older, teenagers usually consider several questions about sex in the
following order: When will I ever be able do it?, Who else has already done
it?, Why can't I do it?, then, Now that I've done it, who else can I do it
with, and how often? And finally, How well can I do it?) We're more
comfortable with ourselves, while, as the pressures of growing up and falling
in love increase, the need to show emotion -- including friendship -- is
necessary. But still, we often mark our sentiments of endearment to each other
with some humor; how many times have you heard these classic lines spoken
amongst male friends: "I'm not gay, but...", or "Don't take this the wrong
way, but...", and of course, "I don't mean to sound mushy, but..."
Such is the male condition. One shouldn't try to make a big case out of it
(heh heh...like I just have in this post!). But it really does irk me when
someone can read about the close friendship between two adolescent male
characters, and immediately jump to homosexual accusations. It's the highlight
of stupidity, and shallowness, to expect that love -- personified by friendship
-- has no place in a straight boy's world, unless the object of his affections
is a member of the opposite sex.
CDriver333
>where they actually care about each other (without acting like
>neanderthal vulgarians), at least from the worldview and POV of those
>anti-HP types.
In Lord Of The Rings, there's the friendship between Frodo and Sam... I'm
surprised that these people didn't have something to say about THAT! (In
European countries, people are much less homophobic than in the States, and
close male friendships are something to strive for, not to feel "uncomfortable"
about!)
healormor
> This sound new to me, and I'm curious. Could you post some examples?
>
Ack....now I am just plain disgusted....
I've been off searching for anti HP stuff then I had to read it to make sure
it was what I was looking for any*shiver* Honestly, don't these people have
something better to do than make up lies.
Blah.
http://www.bettybowers.com/harrypotter.html Although, this one seems to
have negative comments about Christianity and I'm still not sure if the
entire article is meant to be a joke.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2000111/entry/1003488/ These people seem to be
merely talking rather than flaming....
Troels Forchhammer
>
> In Lord Of The Rings, there's the friendship between Frodo and Sam...
> I'm surprised that these people didn't have something to say about THAT!
Stop being surprised!
The allegation of a gay relationship between Frodo and Sam has
stopped even being a standing joke in the Tolkien newsgroups -
it is just a standing irritant.
>(In European countries, people are much less homophobic than in the
> States, and close male friendships are something to strive for, not
> to feel "uncomfortable" about!)
While it is not all that my various governments do that I agree with,
I was very pleased when a law was passed to allow homosexual 'marriage'
(or 'partnership'). The partnership cannot be entered into in the
church, but priests are free to bless the partnership in their church
if they so choose. The only legal difference between heterosexual and
homosexual couples is (AFAIK) that only heterosexual couples are allowed
to adopt.
--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid mail is t.forch(a)mail.dk
For animals, the entire universe has been neatly divided
into things to (a) mate with, (b) eat, (c) run away from,
and (d) rocks.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites)
simpson
>
> Well, as you know males aren't allowed to have positive friendships
> where they actually care about each other (without acting like
> neanderthal vulgarians), at least from the worldview and POV of those
> anti-HP types. So when something comes along that's actually positive
> and beneficial to boys and is shown in such a wonderfully positive
> way, and is popular, they get all antsy-pantsy and indignant and their
> very active imaginations start whirling that... anything this popular
> must be bad and must be evil and must be promoting homosexuality
Very well said. Two lads, close friends, boarding school environment they've
got to be gay ... I don't think it matters to the story whether they are or
not.
Sooz
@madasafish.com Innes
"Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.dk> wrote in message
news:3E908B02...@ThisIsFake.dk...
> CDriver333 wrote:
> >
> > In Lord Of The Rings, there's the friendship between Frodo and
Sam...
> > I'm surprised that these people didn't have something to say about
THAT!
>
> Stop being surprised!
> The allegation of a gay relationship between Frodo and Sam has
> stopped even being a standing joke in the Tolkien newsgroups -
> it is just a standing irritant.
>
> >(In European countries, people are much less homophobic than in the
> > States, and close male friendships are something to strive for,
not
> > to feel "uncomfortable" about!)
>
> While it is not all that my various governments do that I agree
with,
Along with everyone else, and I've technically got two governments to
get annoyed at (living in Scotland with Devolution)
> I was very pleased when a law was passed to allow homosexual
'marriage'
> (or 'partnership'). The partnership cannot be entered into in the
> church, but priests are free to bless the partnership in their
church
> if they so choose. The only legal difference between heterosexual
and
> homosexual couples is (AFAIK) that only heterosexual couples are
allowed
> to adopt.
the following is totally irrelevant to HP, bit it's an answer to what
was discussed, If you are in this group solely to read about HP,
ignore.
Adoption laws vary between countries AFAIAA. I was reading an
interview with a Scottish actor called Alan Cumming recently who said
it was easier to adopt in the USA if you were single or gay. No
comments on the USA from me there, but the main point on adoption or
even Fostering should always be a focus on the child. IMO it doesn't
matter on sexuality, if you can bring up a child to be a good human
being then you should be able to adopt.
Innes
--
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while
bad people will find a way around the laws."
- Plato
Vicky
>
>Harry sat beside Draco, fidgeting slightly before looking over to meet his
>gaze. “Bite me, Malfoy.”
is that your story? is it online? i wanna read it :)
Vicky
[***I woke up this morning with a smile on my face***]
[***And nobody's gonna bring me down today***]
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Vicky
>strong and rediculously fragile. True friendships can withstand the passage
>of
>time and even the threat of death...yet can also be destroyed by a single
>cruel
>word.
can i steal this quote from you?
gjw
<healo...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
>is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
>fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
>alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
>something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
>enlighten me?
There is absolutely no homosexuality in the Harry Potter books.
The first two or three books are completely devoid of any kind of sex.
When the kids start growing up in the latter books, all of the
attractions are strictly hetero. Harry begins to be attracted to Cho
(a girl), his friend Ron begins to be attracted to Hermione (a girl),
and Hermione begins dating Viktor (a guy). And both of the boys (Harry
& Ron) are temporarily attracted to the Veela, beautiful female
creatures who apparently are magically irresistible to most males.
Bojan Bugarin
following:
> *really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
>
> Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
> is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
> something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> enlighten me?
Some of those sites are in fact making fun of religious fundies. So
they are deliberately exaggerate.
As for the books, the idea that the friendship between two 15yos is a
gay relationship is absurd and ridiculous.
--
Bojan Bugarin
Has the whole world gone crazy?
Nope. Just my screwy country.
Bojan Bugarin
following:
> In
> European countries, people are much less homophobic than in the States, and
> close male friendships are something to strive for, not to feel "uncomfortable"
> about!
Well, in my country it's true that male friendships are a normal
thing, (in fact if you hang around with girls only, you will be
considered gay) but that doesn't mean that we are less homophobic.
Quite the contrary!
XT
mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
JKR will not even touch the subject of gays. Firstly she might make a
point but she'd also ruin it because parents won't be happy. I am a
christian and therefore I don't agree with gays. Now now, don't flame
me. There are many types of christians, or rather call themselves
christians. The leaders convince the members and so forth. Evangelicals
are not christians, same with catholics, mormons, protestants (a whole
other story there). This is not to say they are totally wrong, its to
say that they don't follow the bible to the letter but instead alter it,
don't adhere to some areas and add to it. But back to the subject.
The bible doesn't say a whole lot about magic, there are several spots
though. In acts Paul comes across a guy who called himself Barjesus and
was in fact a sourcerer and was using that to lead people away from
christianity. The holy spirit blinds the man for a time and tells him to
turn away from his sin. There is another more relevent spot that says
more but I can't find it atm. Severa; other spots (revalation and
malachai) say that sourcerers will go to hell. You see that at that time
miracles were still being performed, etc. Now wether or not sourcerery
still remains to this day I don't know, it would seem that its possible
since the Bible states that sourcerers were acting against God and were
not being controlled by the devil, but were doing these things in his
name or otherwise undermining the word of God and leading people astray.
I would also add that the Bible states that homosexuality is wrong quite
explicitly. I don't have my Bible on my righ now but its got to do with
soddom and gommorah and the sin whcih included "men with men" or
something like that.
So we know that sourcerers were evil, but not working under the control
or command of the devil. History can prove that many witches were on
powerful drugs in many cases, also linked with broomsticks. But I'll not
discuss that rather delicate subject.
Now there's a HUGE difference between reading about magic and practicing
it (something which may well be impossible anyway). How can it condone
something which doesn't exist? I'm sure that kids could be learning a
heck of a lot more from other books but the Bible gives parents very
much space, enough space so that its not wrong to let your kids read
harry potter but that its also not wrong to not let them.
As for adults, we won't be turned astray by the books and so they pose
and no risk to our salvation and are just fine.
Sumiya Yuki
news:20030406203551...@mb-fp.aol.com...
Well, since fanfiction.net is being a pain in the ass right now and I can't
upload chapter 2 _THERE_....
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrunkenMasterBlues/files/Fanfics/Silver%20Moon
/
There we go. Been writing up a storm lately. X.x; Vampire!Draco is very fun
to write, that he is. *nod*
--
Yuki
R.M. 'doc' Livingston
>> As for the HP crew, my gut feeling is that any implications of Homosexuality
>> are purely coincidental, not intentional at this point. Still, given JKR's
>> passion for the fight against bigotry in all forms, perhaps she may very well
>> take on Homophobia in one of the last three remaining books. We shall see.
>>
(snip)
>
>JKR will not even touch the subject of gays. Firstly she might make a
>point but she'd also ruin it because parents won't be happy. I am a
>christian and therefore I don't agree with gays. Now now, don't flame
>me. There are many types of christians, or rather call themselves
>christians. The leaders convince the members and so forth. Evangelicals
>are not christians, same with catholics, mormons, protestants (a whole
>other story there). This is not to say they are totally wrong, its to
>say that they don't follow the bible to the letter but instead alter it,
>don't adhere to some areas and add to it. But back to the subject.
I think you need to look up the meaning of "Christian."
I am a Christian, I am also Gay. I also am a lay minister. I have a
stable relationship with my life partner of almost 40 years! We are
proud of that and so is God!
>
(snip)
>
>I would also add that the Bible states that homosexuality is wrong quite
>explicitly. I don't have my Bible on my righ now but its got to do with
>soddom and gommorah and the sin whcih included "men with men" or
>something like that.
I suggest that you read some other translations. The term
"Homosexual" was not invented in that time. Try reading from the
Greek or the orginal Arimiac. As Far as "mem with men," I suggest
that you try reading the old testament story of David.
The dogma of condemnation come from the writtings of Paul. Not the
teachings of Jesus. Ask yourself if you are a Christian or a Paulist?
(another snip)
>
>Now there's a HUGE difference between reading about magic and practicing
>it (something which may well be impossible anyway). How can it condone
>something which doesn't exist? I'm sure that kids could be learning a
>heck of a lot more from other books but the Bible gives parents very
>much space, enough space so that its not wrong to let your kids read
>harry potter but that its also not wrong to not let them.
>
I would far prefer children to read Harry Potter than the Horror that
is told in the Bible. Whole sale Killing, Incest, Rape, Muder and
othe atrocities. AS for doing magic: I refer you to the Weding feast
at Cana. Here Jesus turned the water into wine. This was for the
benifit of the party not need to save life or cure an illness. I my
book this make it magic!
>As for adults, we won't be turned astray by the books and so they pose
>and no risk to our salvation and are just fine.
I will stop now, I probably said too much, but what the hey! I am 63
and been around the block more than once. I like Harry Potter and if
a story will get a child to read then it is blessed!
I'll go back to lurking
take care I care ,
doc
Tim Bruening
jade...@webtv.net wrote:
> 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
Probably to spy on Voldemort.
> 2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
> 3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
> (only killing her to get to Harry)?
> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
> why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
> 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
> leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
> 7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
Why would she be? Harry hasn't had that hiding Charm performed on him, so
why would he need a secret keeper?
> 8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
I have wondered that too.
> 9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
> the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
> 10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
11. Why aren't Quidditch games suspended or postponed in bad weather?
12. Why doesn't Dumbledore tell an owl to take a letter to Voldemort, then
have the owl tracked or followed?
13. Ditto for the Ministry of Magic and Sirius Black.
14. When Crookshanks the cat goes for a walk outside the castle with Sirius
the Dog, how does Crookshanks get back in through the portrait hole? After
all, cats can't speak the password!
Tim Bruening
LatH123 wrote:
> >8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> >Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
>
> He sent Crookshanks with a note about the vault to the shop keeper.
> The shop keeper must have checked the bank with the note.
> (talk about a safe system...)
But why didn't the Gringots bank inform the Ministry of Magic that money had
been withdrawn from Sirius' vault?
Markku Uttula
Why would they? They're not wizards, they're Goblins, and Goblins
couldn't care less about wizards' problems amongst theirselves... they
quite certainly don't "answer" to MoM.
--
Markku Uttula
URL: http://www.disconova.com/utu/ "Are you hot? Or at least cute?"
MAIL: markku...@disconova.com "If not, are you at least easy?"
Markku Uttula
> 11. Why aren't Quidditch games suspended or postponed in bad weather?
I *think* there was something about this on QttA, but I'll need to
recheck on that one...
> 12. Why doesn't Dumbledore tell an owl to take a letter to Voldemort,
> then have the owl tracked or followed?
>
> 13. Ditto for the Ministry of Magic and Sirius Black.
Please, not this subject again :)
> 14. When Crookshanks the cat goes for a walk outside the castle with
> Sirius the Dog, how does Crookshanks get back in through the portrait
> hole? After all, cats can't speak the password!
Propably the same way cat's usually enter buildings/locked
rooms/whatever; they wait around until someone else goes through.
John Simpson
news:3E929C3E...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
give a damn that Sirius accessed him Money.
Like most Bankers they probably care for their Money first, their clients
money 2nd and what the government thinks last
--
John Simpson
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Cobols Wordy and Confining
Cobolts Metal Hard and Shiny
Kobolds crumble when you Strike them
Don't be sad its hard to like them.
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Cinemalad5
I am a Christian, I am also Gay. I also am a lay minister. I have a
stable relationship with my life partner of almost 40 years! We are
proud of that and so is God! >>
I know these posts have strayed off topic, but I must say to this previous
post, amen, brother!
I'm so sick of hearing people preaching their self-righteous condescending
homophobic babble in the name of God, and considering themselves superior for
it.
If two grown adults choose to be with each other, then -- straight or gay --
more power to them.
And, surely, the themes of tolerance and acceptance figure prominently in the
HP universe...
Sumiya Yuki
"Cinemalad5" <cinem...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030408004817...@mb-fc.aol.com...
> << I think you need to look up the meaning of "Christian."
> I am a Christian, I am also Gay. I also am a lay minister. I have a
> stable relationship with my life partner of almost 40 years! We are
> proud of that and so is God! >>
>
>
> I know these posts have strayed off topic, but I must say to this previous
> post, amen, brother!
>
> I'm so sick of hearing people preaching their self-righteous condescending
> homophobic babble in the name of God, and considering themselves superior
for
> it.
>
Ditto. And I live in frickin' Oklahoma. Near Tulsa. Center of the blasted
bible belt. x.x; And I'm atheist... though I lean towards the more fun gods
and such from various other religions. If I -have- to believe in higher
beings, I might as well pick the fun ones. ^_^
> If two grown adults choose to be with each other, then -- straight or
gay --
> more power to them.
>
Exactly. And more people in the world need to see things this way.
> And, surely, the themes of tolerance and acceptance figure prominently in
the
> HP universe...
Now if we can just get Sirius and Lupin paired up in canon. Ž.Ž
--
Yuki
jade...@webtv.net
3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
(only killing her to get to Harry)?
4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
Just a few of the questions my granddaughter and I have discussed. Would
like to hear others views. just another fan
Unknown
(s)he said:
Only answering those I have something useful to say on myself.
>1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
>2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
Probably a prediction about Voldemort's fall by the Potters. But it's
just guessing here.
>3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
>(only killing her to get to Harry)?
That is something that I have wondered also for a very long time.
Although many people just shove this aside - it can't be ignored.
Voldemort is like super-evil; if he wanted Harry he wouldn't have even
asked Lilly; he would have killed her on sight. There must be a reason
of some sort why Voldemort didn't want to kill Lilly.
>4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
>why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
They are brainwashed by generarations of house-elfs; they WANT to be
slaves.
>5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter?
Don't hope so. Would be boring.
>Why did James
>leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
Good question. He gave it to Dumbledore before he died... why did he
give it away? Never considered this one before.
>6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
I think he is. I once wrote quite a lenghty part about this for a
website I ran (but quit) named Heir of Gryffindor.com. I shall see if
I can find it back.
>7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
And the secret would be?
>8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
>Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
He sent Crookshanks with a note about the vault to the shop keeper.
The shop keeper must have checked the bank with the note.
(talk about a safe system...)
Darmok
If you'll use the Google Newsgroup search engine, you'll find that all
of these questions have been discussed before.
"Mirab, with sails unfurled ..."
richard e white
> healormor wrote:
>
> > *really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
> >
> > Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
> > is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> > fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> > alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
> > something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> > enlighten me?
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
> >
> > Healormor
>
> It's probably just that the anti-HP freaks are unable to distinguish
> between JKR's intentions and the slashy fantasies of a minority of
> HP fans. Maybe they don't realize that this kind of fan fiction is not
> limited to HP!
>
> The most I would say about the books themselves is that JKR, as a
> woman, tends to idealise her male characters and their friendships,
> and this probably provides a lot of inspiration for slash fiction.
>
> But I don't know ... I'd be interested to see what others say on this
> subject.
>
> Beth Baxter
You can find slash stuff on any thing. I would also expect that they get all
there info from the net and have little or no info about the books themselfs.
--
Richard The Blind Typer
Lets Hear It For Talking Computers.
The Dude
> *really hopes she won't get burnt by this*
>
> Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
> is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
> something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> enlighten me?
>
> Thank you in advance for any and all responses.
while "XT"'s post will probably prompt a lot of tedious religious
debate, i thought i'd take a tangent of my own: while watching PS on
DVD with my flatmate who hasn't read the books, he pointed out that
one interpretation was that Hagrid was in fact a very imaginative
paedophile, who manages to lure away small boys by convincing them and
their parents/guardians that they have been accepted at a magical
school. by analogy the world of hogwarts represents a world of illicit
perversion.
although, i was somewhat disgusted by this idea, i could help noticing
that it seemed quite valid in the film as Hagrid takes Harry away from
the Dursleys, off to a dingy West End pub, and then through to the
back room...
teddy
Frank White
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
What makes you think the Goblins regard themselves as answerable
to the MoM for what they do?
FW
Frank White
jade...@webtv.net says...
>
>1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
We don't know.
>2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
We don't know.
>3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
>(only killing her to get to Harry)?
We don't know.
>4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
>why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
The fact that Hagrid and Dumbledore - neither of whom seem too
tolerant of injustice - accept the house-elves' situation without
qualm suggests there is more to this than meets the eye. And that
Hermione needs to research it a bit more before going forward
with S.P.E.W.
>5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
>leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
A) I would say that "The Dursleys are Harry's only living relatives'
is pretty clear, and
B) Because he didn't need it and he trusted Dumbledore to keep it safe.
>6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
We don't know.
>7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
What IS this obsession some people have with the idea that
Harry is under the Fidelius Charm?!? I mean, you read the
descriptions of how the Charm works, and how the ancient
magik protecting Harry works, and it's clear they are
NOT the same thing!
Reading comprehension is not what it used to be... :(
>8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
>Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
He sent a note to the Goblins to do it. And they did it, without
reporting it to the Ministry of Magic, because they're Goblins not
wizards.
>9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
>the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
No, he's an idiot. And he didn't have the Dementor attack
Junior, it did that without orders, because he was an escaped
prisioner.
Fudge is not only an idiot, he's also incompetant and unable to
control the forces he uses.
>10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
Because.
^_^
>====================================
>Just a few of the questions my granddaughter and I have discussed. Would
>like to hear others views. just another fan
Thank GOD you didn't ask about the Gleam of Triumph...
FW
David Robin
Not that any of the following is in any way authoritative:
1. We do not as yet know.
2. We do not as yet know. The assumption is that she predicted that
Harry would defeat Voldemort. A number of wordings, with different
implications have been suggested.
3. We do not as yet know. See above. Also, I've thought that
Voldemort was not being merciful , but was intending to spare Lilly in
order that she live the rest of her life in dispair, and self-loathing
over her allowing Voldemort to kill her child.
4. We do not as yet know. We may never know, inasmuch as it doesn't
seem to relate to the series' plot (as of yet, anyway).
5. Part 1, has to be no, based on Dumbledore's statement to
McGonagall in Book 1, Chapter 1. Part 2, We do not as yet know. It
may or may not be revealed in the next book.
6. We do not as yet know. I tend to doubt it, if only beacuse it
makes thing too pat. Consider also, that if it is the case, then it
is not common knowledge in the wizarding world. Speculation for this
seems to stem from the "only a true Gryffindor..." statement in Book
2; However, I think what is being said is that only a true member of
Gryffindor House could have pulled the sword out of the hat. Look at
the context.
7. NO!!! There is not secretkeeping involved with Harry. Everybody
knows who he is and can recognise him, everybody, including Voldemort,
knows where he lives. Whatever the exact nature of Harry's
protection(s), the Fidelius charm does not seen to figure in.
8. One assumes that one can make a "mail order", specifying funds to
be removed from "vault XXX at Gringott's". This does lead one to
think that police procedures are lax at the Ministry, in as much as no
one noticed that Black's vault was tapped for funds. Also, it lead
one to think that wizards are awfully trusting too.
9. We do not as yet know. I tend to think Fudge is merely in denial.
For the second part, there is various speculation. I would tend to
believe that the Dementor recognising a person escaped from Azkaban,
automatically acted to sucure its "rightful prey", and acted too
quickly for any intervention by either Fudge or McGonagall.
10. That is explained in Book 1 and amplified in book 3, although i
daresay we haven't heard the entire story, and might never. Many
though have speculated that Snape was in love with Lily and that that
plays a role in his immediate hatred for Harry as a boy that so
powerfully invokes both his love and his hated rival.
jade...@webtv.net
pluther
> 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
To go make an alliance with the other vampires.
> 2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
That Voldemort would rise in the first place.
> 3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
> (only killing her to get to Harry)?
He didn't want to mess up his friend Snape's romance.
> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
> why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
They like it.
> 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
> leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
Yes; No.
> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
Yes.
> 7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
No.
> 8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
Gringotts doesn't do background checks on their customers.
> 9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
> the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
Yes; To keep him quiet.
Hope it helps :-)
-Pat
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if we then did not know what to do with the gold." -Plato
CDriver333
>I am a Christian, I am also Gay. I also am a lay minister. I have a
>stable relationship with my life partner of almost 40 years! We are
>proud of that and so is God!
Bravo! God knows about every one of us, be we gay, straight, whatever. He wants
us to know that He loves us unconditionally. We are all sinners in one way or
another. Who can say they are without sin? No one! But through God's
unconditional love we can all experience saving grace.
jade...@webtv.net
the subject matter of "gay"
jade...@webtv.net
Markku Uttula
> I comprehend that you are rude! the questions were an attempt to
> change the subject matter of "gay"
Why bother changeing the subject? This is usenet, not a bulletin
board... Things come - and go, new threads are started, others just die
out of sheer boredom. There's no need to "change the subject" of a
thread to something that is totally different than the original subject.
Best way to disregard posts that have a subject you dont like is just
that - disregard them, and eventually they'll die.
R. Tursi
> 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
That question will probably be answered in book 5. The general
consenses is that he will attempt to rejoin the Death Eaters as a spy,
or something along those lines. Personally, I don't think that would
work, as it is well known among too many people(anyone who had info
about Karkaroff's trial) that he turned against Voldemort before his
fall to spy against him.
> 2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
We don't know yet. Most fans think it had something to do with the
Potters, or rather Harry/James specifically.
> 3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
> (only killing her to get to Harry)?
We don't know, but it is a very interesting point. One could argue
that he was only interested in James and Harry(possibly because of
above said prediction.)But this doesn't really go along with what we
know of Voldemort. We know that he was known to kill off entire
familes, and we know that he was especially hard on muggleborns, which
Lily was. For him to even offer Lily to stand aside says a lot.
However, it's also hard to argue that he was specifically wanting her
to live for a reason, as he was still pretty quick to kill her when
she wouldn't stand aside. Hopefully book 5 will shed some light on
this.
> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
> why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
Dobby didn't want to be a slave. It seemed to me that he was magically
bound to serve Lucius Malfoy until Harry tricked Malfoy into freeing
him. As for the other elves... there is obviously something more going
on that we don't know about. I'm sure it will be addressed in future
books.
> 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
> leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
If Dumbledore is related in any way to Harry, than it would be a
direct violation of the statement Dumbledore made that the Durseley's
were Harry's only living relatives. Thus, my answer to that question
is NO.
We don't know the specifics of why James left the invisibility cloak
with Dumbledore. It's actually not really all that important to the
story, when you think about it.
> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
This is a question of much debate among many fans, from what I gather.
Many people think he is, and many people think he isn't. The theory I
like best, is that *if* he is related to Gryffindor, than it's in
spirit only. (IE: It's not how you are born or who you are related to,
but rather your actions that make up who you are.. this seems to be
one of the themes of the books.)
> 7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
No, because Harry doesn't have a secret keeper. I'm not sure where you
got the idea that he did...
> 8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
He actually explains this at the end of book 3.
"There is something I never got round to telling you during our brief
meeting. It was I who sent you the Firebolt - Crookshanks took the
order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to take
the gold from Gringotts vault number seven hundred and eleven - my
own. Please consider it as thirteen birthdays' worth of presents from
your godfather."(PofA pg465-466 Bloomsbury ed)
To me, the way this is worded suggests that whoever filled the order
would have no idea that vault 711 belonged to Sirius Black. I also get
the impression that the Goblins who run Gringotts don't ask too many
questions about their clients.
(Now the REAL question should be- Why is it that everyone thinks
Gringotts is the safest place for their valuables, given the amount of
Goblin rebellions that have occured?)
> 9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
> the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
I don't think so. Fudge is a coward who allows his fear of Voldemort
to run his life, and also the way he runs the ministry. He would
rather believe that Voldemort is still gone, rather than face the
truth. He is choosing to do what is easy, rather than what is right.
His character is interesting in that it shows that not everyone
against Dumbledore is nessessarily with Voldemort. He also serves as a
good example of what fear can do to a person.
Also, Fudge didn't have the Dementor give the kiss to Barty. The
Dementor did that entirely on his own. Though it's true that the only
reason the Dementor was able to do so because Fudge foolishly let it
in the room to begin with.
> 10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
Well, this is just common sense...
Because Snape is bitter. Because he hated James, who Harry is exactly
like. Because Harry is treated as a hero for something that happened
to him when he was a baby, while Snape was out risking his life spying
on Voldemort. Because Snape is a true Slytherin in that he craves
power -and the only real power he has anymore is over his students.
Because he is just a little bit jealous. I could go on forever, but I
won't. My point is that Snape hates Harry for a variety of different
reasons, most of which are rather obvious.
-Roe
Troels Forchhammer
>
> I comprehend that you are rude! the questions were an attempt to change
> the subject matter of "gay"
The effort is appreciated, though I had probably better tell you
that it is very unlikely to work, and that it, unfortunately,
does appear inexperienced to change the topic of an ongoing
thread in such an abrupt manner.
You appear to be new to the group (I can't see that you have
posted previously - at least not with your current handle), so I
will welcome you to our 'little' home away from home - our virtual
common room.
The homework piles on the floor are part of the decor (though some
of them are, I believe, beginning to become part of someone's
bio-magical homework) so just ignore them. The refreshments are
over in the corner (I can't keep track of what we've got, though
we tend to always have some stoat sandwiches and some of Hagrid's
treacle fudge as well as some highly suspicious Canary Creams.
Anyway - as long as we don't run out of coffee and Firewhiskey, I
don't really care ;-)
Make yourself comfortable - if you haven't been there yet, I
recommend taking a look at our FAQs (including the posting guide)
at <http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/>
You will also find that some of the questions you have asked are
already covered in one or more of the FAQs - it is normally
recommended to check this first before posting questions - if
only to be able to say that you aren't satisfied with the answer
in the FAQ (at which point I will come budging in asking what
exactly you are dissatisfied with - but then we have a dialogue
running ;-)
--
Troels Forchhammer
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Great men are almost always bad men."
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XT wrote:
> In article <39109vsfkkg0lq65e...@4ax.com>,
> mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Quoting "Sumiya Yuki" <Vol...@spiritevolution.hotmail.com> regarding Re:
>>Gay?
>>in a message dated Sun, 06 Apr 2003 09:54:53 GMT:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Then there's the fact that a good number of Potter fans also like anime (And
>>>vice versa, of course).
>>
>>Myself included (Cardcaptor Sakura, GTO, Love Hina, FLCL, Steel Angel Kurumi
>>etc.). This thread reminds me of all the fan speculation in CCS about Tomoyo
>>&
>>Sakura and Yukito/Toya (this paring being perhaps a bit closer to reality
>>than
>>the other).
>>
>>As for the HP crew, my gut feeling is that any implications of Homosexuality
>>are purely coincidental, not intentional at this point. Still, given JKR's
>>passion for the fight against bigotry in all forms, perhaps she may very well
>>take on Homophobia in one of the last three remaining books. We shall see.
>>
>>____________________
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Arnold.
>>
>>(E-mail address altered, to prevent spamming. :-|
>> Remove all asterisks and the *hates*spam* to get true address.)
>
>
> JKR will not even touch the subject of gays. Firstly she might make a
> point but she'd also ruin it because parents won't be happy. I am a
> christian and therefore I don't agree with gays. Now now, don't flame
> me. There are many types of christians, or rather call themselves
> christians. The leaders convince the members and so forth. Evangelicals
> are not christians, same with catholics, mormons, protestants (a whole
> other story there). This is not to say they are totally wrong, its to
> say that they don't follow the bible to the letter but instead alter it,
> don't adhere to some areas and add to it. But back to the subject.
>
> The bible doesn't say a whole lot about magic, there are several spots
> though. In acts Paul comes across a guy who called himself Barjesus and
> was in fact a sourcerer and was using that to lead people away from
> christianity. The holy spirit blinds the man for a time and tells him to
> turn away from his sin. There is another more relevent spot that says
> more but I can't find it atm. Severa; other spots (revalation and
> malachai) say that sourcerers will go to hell. You see that at that time
> miracles were still being performed, etc. Now wether or not sourcerery
> still remains to this day I don't know, it would seem that its possible
> since the Bible states that sourcerers were acting against God and were
> not being controlled by the devil, but were doing these things in his
> name or otherwise undermining the word of God and leading people astray.
>
> I would also add that the Bible states that homosexuality is wrong quite
> explicitly. I don't have my Bible on my righ now but its got to do with
> soddom and gommorah and the sin whcih included "men with men" or
> something like that.
>
> So we know that sourcerers were evil, but not working under the control
> or command of the devil. History can prove that many witches were on
> powerful drugs in many cases, also linked with broomsticks. But I'll not
> discuss that rather delicate subject.
>
> Now there's a HUGE difference between reading about magic and practicing
> it (something which may well be impossible anyway). How can it condone
> something which doesn't exist? I'm sure that kids could be learning a
> heck of a lot more from other books but the Bible gives parents very
> much space, enough space so that its not wrong to let your kids read
> harry potter but that its also not wrong to not let them.
>
Markku Uttula
> and where did you come up with these answers? :)
Well - all you have to do is take a rather big hat (a smaller one will
do, but the answers will be only a few syllables long), wave you wand
(you know, swish-and-flick-stylee) and out comes pouring all the answers
needed. :P
Troels Forchhammer
This has been debated a lot. A simple search on Google will reveal
many speculations, but in the end they are all still just speculations.
We will probably find out in book 5, so two and half months of patience
more (though that will be hard to find ;-)
A google search:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Snape%20Dumbledore%20task&as_ugroup=alt.fan.harry-potter>
> 2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
This is discussed in the FAQ at
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/potterverse_faq.html#first_predict>
Still - it is all speculation, and we will hopefully be told in OotP.
> 3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
> (only killing her to get to Harry)?
Again - only JKR knows for sure. It is, however, often assumed that
this is connected to Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction.
> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
> why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
One more excellent question to which we do not know the answer.
They may have entered a magical contract at one point (as a race)
binding them to servitude to the wizards. Perhaps to curb those
impressive powers?
> 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
> leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
Dumbledore himself clearly states in the first chapter of PS that
the Dursleys 'the only family [Harry] has left' - he would certainly
know if he himself was 'family'.
However, if the Dumbledores - as the Potters - are an old wizarding
family, it is almost inconceivable that Harry and Dumbledore aren't
related in some way - though it has to be too far to be meaningful.
I would thus answer 'no'.
There are, to be fair, also some that speculate that Dumbledore is
actually the older Harry who has travelled back in time. Though I
can see what could make people believe that, I also have to say that
I find it completely unbelievable.
> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
That is a very common idea - see e.g.
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/potterverse_faq.html#gryffindor_heir>
> 7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
What would the secret be?
It seems quite clear that Harry has no secrets that are protected
in that way. She might be keeping a secret /from/ Harry, though.
As your own questions show, there are many things that Harry doesn't
know yet.
> 8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
Mail-order.
The only thing to connect the order to Black was his vault number at
Gringotts (711), and Professor Binns has made it abundantly clear (to
those that manage to keep themselves awake in his lessons) that the
goblins have a history of rebellion against the wizard authorities.
It therefore seems unlikely (IMO) that the goblins at Gringotts would
ever co-operate so much with the Ministry of Magic as to tell when
wanted 'criminals' access their vaults. See also:
<http://www.hogwarts-library.net/reference/potterverse_faq.html#order_firebolt>
> 9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
> the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
Because the man is hopelessly incompetent. We are actually told that
already in chapter 5 of PS, where Hagrid describes Fudge thus: "Bungler
if ever there was one. So he pelts Dumbledore with owls every morning
askin' fer advice."
I also strongly suspect that Fudge had no wish to hear any confession -
it would possibly upset the little comfortable illusion of a safe world
that he has built for himself.
> 10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
You don't think that that is sufficiently explained in the book?
If not I suggest you go through this excellent fan fiction which
presents an additional reason:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.fan.harry-potter&as_usubject=%22Water-horse%22>
(you might also just check this post, where Igenlode presents the
idea in a somewhat shorter form:)
<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030210212237.14118.qmail%40gacracker.org>
HTH, HAND
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zentariana
> jade...@webtv.net wrote in message news:<9751-3E9...@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
> > 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
>
> To go make an alliance with the other vampires.
you know what? i'd never thought of that. now i'm thinking about that.
i'm also guessing you might have been joking, but oh, well. i don't
think he was sent do monitor voldemort, because i think it's very
obvious that voldemort knows that snape doesn't want to be around him
anymore.
maybe not exactly what you said, but something along those lines...
hm.
Richard Eney
Markku Uttula <markku...@disconova.com> wrote:
>Tim Bruening wrote:
>> 11. Why aren't Quidditch games suspended or postponed in bad weather?
>
>I *think* there was something about this on QttA, but I'll need to
>recheck on that one...
It's a British School Tradition to play whatever the school sport is
(Rugby, football/soccer) in horrible weather, on the theory that a little
cold water and mud never hurt anyone (except wimps who die of pneumonia).
Quidditch is the wizard equivalent.
>> 12. Why doesn't Dumbledore tell an owl to take a letter to Voldemort,
>> then have the owl tracked or followed?
>>
>> 13. Ditto for the Ministry of Magic and Sirius Black.
>
>Please, not this subject again :)
No answer in the books yet, but we've speculated mightily. Since Hedwig
is annoyed that Harry doesn't trust her not to be followed, I think that
owls have their own magic and can't be followed, but not everyone knows
that. (The owls may also be overconfident about that.)
But see any thread here that mentions owls.
>> 14. When Crookshanks the cat goes for a walk outside the castle with
>> Sirius the Dog, how does Crookshanks get back in through the portrait
>> hole? After all, cats can't speak the password!
>
>Propably the same way cats usually enter buildings/locked
>rooms/whatever; they wait around until someone else goes through.
Cats also have their own magic about getting in and out of buildings.
Ask any cat-owner.
=Tamar
Richard Eney
In article <56b5a8b6.03040...@posting.google.com>,
R. Tursi <roet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>jade...@webtv.net wrote
<snip>
>> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power
>> then why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
>
>Dobby didn't want to be a slave. It seemed to me that he was magically
>bound to serve Lucius Malfoy until Harry tricked Malfoy into freeing
>him. As for the other elves... there is obviously something more going
>on that we don't know about. I'm sure it will be addressed in future
>books.
Maybe House-elves were magically created by wizards, as a kind of
super-intelligent pet, like a computer with artificial intelligence that
can also make the coffee.... They have the inborn desire to serve.
Dobby didn't want to be _mistreated_, but he still wants - _needs_,
somehow - to serve humans. (And what else has he got to do? Maybe it's
just boredom. Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?)
>> 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
>> leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
>
>If Dumbledore is related in any way to Harry, than it would be a
>direct violation of the statement Dumbledore made that the Durseley's
>were Harry's only living relatives. Thus, my answer to that question
>is NO.
>
>We don't know the specifics of why James left the invisibility cloak
>with Dumbledore. It's actually not really all that important to the
>story, when you think about it.
Maybe he left it with Dumbledore when the Fidelius charm was put on,
because he thought he wouldn't need it to hide from Voldemort, but
Dumbledore might need it, or might lend it to someone else who might
need it to hide from Voldemort. Or maybe Voldemort can see through
invisibility cloaks so it wouldn't help against him, but might help
against ordinary Death Eaters.
=Tamar
R. Tursi
> > 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
>
> To go make an alliance with the other vampires.
>
Hah! That's great!
That hadn't even crossed my mind, but it actually fits in perfectly
(if you follow the school of thought that Snape is a Vampire.)
Personally, I rather like the theory. I'm quite certain that it's
probably not going to turn out to be true, but it's a very interesting
idea nontheless.
The strange thing is, for as popular as a theory as this is, I've not
seen any fanfic that delves into it as a possibility... unless I'm not
looking in the right places? Anyone care to point any out?
-Roe
Toon
>(s)he said:
>
>>1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
Talk to us June 22, 2003 AD
>>2. What was Professor Trelawney's first correct prediction?
Talk to us between June 22, 2003 Ad and the day after Book 7 is
released.
>>3. Why was Voldemort so determined to kill Harry but not Lily Potter
>>(only killing her to get to Harry)?
See above.
>
>
>
>>4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
>>why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
They might be happiest when helping others.
>>5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter?
Sure. In the fact that all animal life is related to one another.
>>Why did James
>>leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
To keep V from getting it. He was being hunted, after all. Why trust
in the Fedelius Charm ( I ask in hindsight)?
>>6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
Sure. And so could Ginny, or Hermione, or Neville even. That'd be
funny. Great Godric's descendant is poor, barely a wizard Neville.
>>7. Is Mrs Figg Harry's secret keeper?
Doubtful, because there has yet to be any evidence for Harry to be
under a Fedelius Charm. Perhaps you'd like to submit what you think
is being kept form others?
>>9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
>>the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
No. because he was so upset with his escape, eh wanted to punish him
severely. Ditto for wanting to Kiss Sirius.
>>10. Why does Snape hate Harry so much?
Because he owes his father his life, and never repaid the debt. Harry
is too much like James (and that triggers whatever reason Snape hated
James for. I suggest the color of their glasses frames.). Harry had
fame thrust upon him for doing nothing, while he betrayed the Ultimate
dark Lord and got Jack Squat for it.
>>Just a few of the questions my granddaughter and I have discussed. Would
>>like to hear others views. just another fan
Well, apart form James giving up his cloak, all questions have been
asked and answered before. Ok,a bit hard to find #10, as it was
never addressed separately.
gjw
>CoS is involved
>
>In article <56b5a8b6.03040...@posting.google.com>,
>R. Tursi <roet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>jade...@webtv.net wrote
><snip>
>
>>> 4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power
>>> then why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
>>
>>Dobby didn't want to be a slave. It seemed to me that he was magically
>>bound to serve Lucius Malfoy until Harry tricked Malfoy into freeing
>>him. As for the other elves... there is obviously something more going
>>on that we don't know about. I'm sure it will be addressed in future
>>books.
>
>Maybe House-elves were magically created by wizards, as a kind of
>super-intelligent pet, like a computer with artificial intelligence that
>can also make the coffee.... They have the inborn desire to serve.
>Dobby didn't want to be _mistreated_, but he still wants - _needs_,
>somehow - to serve humans. (And what else has he got to do? Maybe it's
>just boredom. Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?)
Rowling's house elves are loosely based on the concept of "brownies".
Brownies are a fairy sort of creature which love doing household
chores, especially when the owners of the house are asleep. They don't
like being named or thanked for their work, and most of all they can't
stand being given clothes (especially a suit of clothes). Doing so
will cause them to leave forever.
From this general idea of a brownie, Rowling lifted the idea of a
small magical creature who does household tasks, and the idea of a
gift of clothes ending the relationship (the sock in CoS), and then
filled in the rest with her own ideas.
Markku Uttula
>>> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
>
> Sure. And so could Ginny, or Hermione, or Neville even. That'd be
> funny. Great Godric's descendant is poor, barely a wizard Neville.
So could Draco... unless he's got a little brother/sister we've never
heard about. Is that scary or what :)
Being a Slytherin does not make it impossible to be descendant of one of
the other houses' founder. JKR has often pointed out that not the
origins of us or our ancestors, but the decisions we make are what put
us in the houses.
Markku Uttula
> Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?
At least the owl that brings Hagrid the paper in PS05 wanted payment (I
don't know if for the delivery or for the paper, but payment anyway).
Also I recall PoA having some mention about owlery that had different
priced owls doing deliveries, but I can't exactly recall where (I'm not
100% certain of my memory serving me correct).
J.B.
<healo...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.bettybowers.com/harrypotter.html Although, this one seems to
>have negative comments about Christianity and I'm still not sure if the
>entire article is meant to be a joke.
betty bowers satirizes right-wing fundamentalist christianity and I
believe it's written by gay men.
JB (proud to be a Lesbian)
brid
> Richard Eney wrote:
> > Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?
>
> At least the owl that brings Hagrid the paper in PS05 wanted payment (I
> don't know if for the delivery or for the paper, but payment anyway).
> Also I recall PoA having some mention about owlery that had different
> priced owls doing deliveries, but I can't exactly recall where (I'm not
> 100% certain of my memory serving me correct).
I assumed it was payment for the paper. The owl office in PoA was in
Hogmead
again an assumption but I think that it was the owl office who got the
payment for the use of their owls. Also pig was"Keen for the job" but
Sirius gave him
(presumably a "free" owl) to Ron which makes me think that owls are
like house-elves happy to serve.
BriD
Pam
> > Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?
>
> At least the owl that brings Hagrid the paper in PS05 wanted payment (I
> don't know if for the delivery or for the paper, but payment anyway).
> Also I recall PoA having some mention about owlery that had different
> priced owls doing deliveries, but I can't exactly recall where (I'm not
> 100% certain of my memory serving me correct).
The owls were at the post office in Hogsmeade. And yes there was a
fee attached depending on where the owl was going. There were some
small ones for local delivery only, and then they ranged up to large
eagle or snowy owls. I don't know if you just paid the postage or had
to buy the owl too.
Pam
Loriba
wibbled thus...
> > 5. Is Dumbledore related in any way to Harry Potter? Why did James
> > leave his Invisibility Cloak with Dumbledore? (CoS)
>
> Dumbledore himself clearly states in the first chapter of PS that
> the Dursleys 'the only family [Harry] has left' - he would certainly
> know if he himself was 'family'.
> However, if the Dumbledores - as the Potters - are an old wizarding
> family, it is almost inconceivable that Harry and Dumbledore aren't
> related in some way - though it has to be too far to be meaningful.
> I would thus answer 'no'.
> There are, to be fair, also some that speculate that Dumbledore is
> actually the older Harry who has travelled back in time. Though I
> can see what could make people believe that, I also have to say that
> I find it completely unbelievable.
>
Particularly as it is explicitly stated that their eyes and hair are
different colours - D's blue and red respectively; Harry's green and
black.
--
Loriba
Loriba
plut...@my-deja.com wibbled thus...
> jade...@webtv.net wrote in message news:<9751-3E9...@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
> > 1. Where did Dumbledore send Snape at the end of GoF?
>
> To go make an alliance with the other vampires.
>
My vampire lore isn't up to much but from what I can recall at this late
hour, vampires are capable of regenerating ad infinitum, even if they're
bodies have been reduced to ashes. Also, they can fly and are very
strong.
It's tenuous I know, but something that occurred to me a couple of days
ago. If someone else has already mentioned this, many apologies, but an
hour's search on google didn't produce anything.
The questions I have now are why would D send Snape to see them and why
would Snape dread the thought of going (as is implied)? If Snape is a
vampire then surely he would not have much to fear from other vampires.
Maybe he's a familiar or something...?
...or maybe I'm just very tired and ought to go to bed!!
:-)
--
Loriba
Toon
I don't see why they couldn't refuse to leave if they got clothes.
J.B.
>4. If House-Elfs, (Dobby (CoS), Winky (GoF) have such great power then
>why do they allow themselves to be slaves?
I don't think they "allow" themselves to be enslaved. I think it has
something to do with the intersection of Wizard Magic & Elf Magic.
The fact that they can't be free until their 'master' gives them a
piece of clothing indicates to me that magic is involved.
JB
Klaus Winkler
<healo...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>Something I've noticed in many anti-Harry Potter sites, posts, reviews, etc.
>is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality.
One Word: Stupidity...
Tennant Stuart
Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote:
>>> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
> Sure. And so could Neville. That'd be funny. Great Godric's
> descendant is poor, barely a wizard Neville.
Neville most certainly is not 'barely a wizard'.
He's very powerful, probably more so than Ron.
What Neville lacks is *control*.
Tennant Stuart
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<markku...@disconova.com> wrote:
> Toon wrote:
>>>> 6. Could Harry be the last descendant of Gryffindor?
>> Sure. And so could Ginny, or Hermione, or Neville even. That'd be
>> funny. Great Godric's descendant is poor, barely a wizard Neville.
> So could Draco... unless he's got a little brother/sister we've never
> heard about. Is that scary or what :)
> Being a Slytherin does not make it impossible to be descendant of one of
> the other houses' founder. JKR has often pointed out that not the
> origins of us or our ancestors, but the decisions we make are what put
> us in the houses.
That would make Draco the latest descendant of Gryffindor.
He can't be a last descendant since his parents are alive.
Tennant
Tim Bruening
"R. Tursi" wrote:
> jade...@webtv.net wrote in message news:<9751-3E9...@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
>
>
> > 8. How did Sirius get money out of his vault at Gringotts to buy the
> > Firebolt for HP without getting caught?
>
> He actually explains this at the end of book 3.
> "There is something I never got round to telling you during our brief
> meeting. It was I who sent you the Firebolt - Crookshanks took the
> order to the Owl Office for me. I used your name but told them to take
> the gold from Gringotts vault number seven hundred and eleven - my
> own. Please consider it as thirteen birthdays' worth of presents from
> your godfather."(PofA pg465-466 Bloomsbury ed)
In my edition, Sirius does not mention the number of his vault. He just says that he "used your name but
told them to take the gold from my own Gringotts vault." I therefore thought that Sirius' note said to
take the gold from "the vault of Sirius Black" and wondered why the Owl Office (and Gringotts) didn't tell
MoM that gold from Sirius' vault had been used in Harry's name to buy a broomstick. I would have expected
the MoM to tell everyone to be on the lookout for activity involving Sirius' money in hopes of tracing
him. I would also have expected the Owl Office to go on full alert when Sirius' money was used in Harry's
name.
Ron D
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Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
As for taking the money of Sirius' Vault I have a new theory about that.
What if, as Sirius kenw he was a possible Death Eater target (Which he
would have been in Wormtail was't already in Voldemort's pocket) Sirius
put Harry's name on his own vault as someone authorized to take money of
of the account, an just never told anyone. Therefore, when the order for
the Firebolt came through, it was in the name of someone who was
authorized to make withdrawl from the account, and not on any oassible
list as a person to watch out for from the ministry. This could also
account for the vault not be turned over to the ministry (For those
people who refuse to accept the fact that there was no reason for the
Goblins to close the account anyway, as Sirius was never formally
accused of the crime, just locked away without trial.)
Ron D.
Ron D
Lets try that post without all the old headers.......Sorry about that.
Ron D.
Geoduck
> jade...@webtv.net wrote:
(snip)
> > 9. Could Fudge be a Death-Eater also? Why did he have the dementor give
> > the Kiss to Barry Crouch Jr. before hearing his confession?
>
> Because the man is hopelessly incompetent. We are actually told that
> already in chapter 5 of PS, where Hagrid describes Fudge thus: "Bungler
> if ever there was one. So he pelts Dumbledore with owls every morning
> askin' fer advice."
> I also strongly suspect that Fudge had no wish to hear any confession -
> it would possibly upset the little comfortable illusion of a safe world
> that he has built for himself.
(snip)
It should be noted that the text doesn't explicitly say that Fudge
ordered the Dementor to attack, just that he brought it along with him
when he went to see Crouch Jr. If anything, it sounds like the
Dementor launched an immediate attack the moment Crouch came into
view... er.. range, not waiting for an OK. So, did Crouch give it
permission to do so beforehand, or was it acting on someone else's
orders...
--
Geoduck
Frank White
geo...@webave.com says...
I suspect Dementors don't require permission or act on secret
orders. They seem pretty straight forward: Interfere with
or escape them, they'll kill you.
On sight.
FW
Sirius Kase
<g...@example.com> wrote:
> >is that they somewhere mention it promoting homosexuality. Aside from fan
> >fiction, I don't see any this from the actual books that even mentions
> >alternative sexualities, much less promoting it. I might possibly be missing
> >something so I wondered if anyone would be gracious enough to try and
> >enlighten me?
>
> There is absolutely no homosexuality in the Harry Potter books.
There is one small reference but you need to think about it in order to
notice. In the first few paragraphs of "Padfoot Returns", the kids are
teasing Ron, but they shut up when Harry is close by, so he doesn't
know what they are saying, but Rowling gives clues.
sirius kase
--
"Just tell me what secret you want to make sure I don't know, and I'll tell you
if I already knew it."
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news:130420031305099810%Siriu...@earthlink.net...
> gjw <g...@example.com> wrote:
>
> > There is absolutely no homosexuality in the Harry Potter
> > books.
>
> There is one small reference but you need to think about it in
> order to notice. In the first few paragraphs of "Padfoot Returns",
> the kids are teasing Ron, but they shut up when Harry is close by,
> so he doesn't know what they are saying, but Rowling gives clues.
I'm sorry, how can this be read as an allusion to homosexuality?
OTOH, there was the joke about Percy's kissing up to Crouch; "...They'll be
announcing their engagement any day now". Heh.
Catherine Johnson.
--
fenm at cox dot net
"When Catherine thinks you're too gay, you're too gay."
-Rob Fontenot, aka The Midnight Rambler, RATMM.
Kevin Karpenske
>> There is absolutely no homosexuality in the Harry Potter books.
>
> There is one small reference but you need to think about it in order
> to notice. In the first few paragraphs of "Padfoot Returns", the
> kids are teasing Ron, but they shut up when Harry is close by, so he
> doesn't know what they are saying, but Rowling gives clues.
You must have one of those "adult" versions everybody keeps asking
about.
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Sirius Kase
Karpenske <s...@my.sig> wrote:
> Sirius Kase <Siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:130420031305099810%Siriu...@earthlink.net:
>
> >> There is absolutely no homosexuality in the Harry Potter books.
> >
> > There is one small reference but you need to think about it in order
> > to notice. In the first few paragraphs of "Padfoot Returns", the
> > kids are teasing Ron, but they shut up when Harry is close by, so he
> > doesn't know what they are saying, but Rowling gives clues.
>
> You must have one of those "adult" versions everybody keeps asking
> about.
Yup, I think so, there is an "implied line" there that Ron is
embarassed about being the one Harry would miss the most. All the
other boys are "rescuing" their dance partners, Parvarti refused to go
along with it and suggested they use Ron. You have to put together
this bit and some other bits to get the whole implied thing. All Harry
notices is that Padma is giving Ron extra attention, Ron is
embarrassed, and Hermione:
> People had been teasing her so much about being the thing that Viktor Krum
> would most miss that she was in a rather tetchy mood.
It would be rather odd for them not to be teasing Ron about virtually
the same thing. And, no, they don't think they are gay, but it is fun
to watch Ron be upset and all.
Richard Eney
Ron D <rwd...@internetcds.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
There's no legally-valid reason to have to remove it, as there
was no involvement of similar trade. However, you're probably
right. :-(
=Tamar
zentariana
<snip>
> while "XT"'s post will probably prompt a lot of tedious religious
> debate, i thought i'd take a tangent of my own: while watching PS on
> DVD with my flatmate who hasn't read the books, he pointed out that
> one interpretation was that Hagrid was in fact a very imaginative
> paedophile, who manages to lure away small boys by convincing them and
> their parents/guardians that they have been accepted at a magical
> school. by analogy the world of hogwarts represents a world of illicit
> perversion.
>
> although, i was somewhat disgusted by this idea, i could help noticing
> that it seemed quite valid in the film as Hagrid takes Harry away from
> the Dursleys, off to a dingy West End pub, and then through to the
> back room...
that was my laugh for the day. thank you :D
i could make a lot of terribly lewd and impolite comments, but i'll
refrain. and grin.
Ron D
I know, but they have a tendency to be over cautious. Technically, as
far as I know, as long as they don't use it for a store they aren't
breaking the trademark restrictions. But it's easier to just drop it
then to check with the lawyers to make sure it's ok...(For those that
don't know it's the name of a US convience store chain and derived from
the fact that they used to be open from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. though they
are mostly open 24 hours now.)
ROn D.
Troels Forchhammer
>
> Ron D <rwd...@internetcds.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
>
> There's no legally-valid reason to have to remove it, as there
> was no involvement of similar trade. However, you're probably
> right. :-(
It is even - in the Bloomsbury version - spelled out
'seven hundred and eleven.' I doubt that the number itself is
trademarked.
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Ron D
On 14-Apr-2003, Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.dk> wrote:
>
> Richard Eney wrote:
> >
> > Ron D <rwd...@internetcds.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
> >
> > There's no legally-valid reason to have to remove it, as there
> > was no involvement of similar trade. However, you're probably
> > right. :-(
>
> It is even - in the Bloomsbury version - spelled out
> 'seven hundred and eleven.' I doubt that the number itself is
> trademarked.
>
> --
> Troels Forchhammer
However, it's not present in any form in the Scholastic edition that I
have....And the reason that I gave is the only one that I can think of
as to why they would take it out...
Ron D.
Troels Forchhammer
>
> On 14-Apr-2003, Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.dk> wrote:
>>
>> It is even - in the Bloomsbury version - spelled out
>> 'seven hundred and eleven.' I doubt that the number itself is
>> trademarked.
>
> have....And the reason that I gave is the only one that I can think of
> as to why they would take it out...
I can't see any other reason either - it might of course be for
reasons neither of us can imagine ;-)
I just wanted to set the decision (if it really is a trademark
concern) in its proper light - by noting how it is put in the
Bloomsbury edition.
Ron D
I have no problem with that. The only problem I have with the Bloomsbury
edition is the fact that I can't walk in to my local bookstore and buy
one.... I'm stuck with the Scholastic unless I want to mail-order which
I don't usually do.... :-)
Ron D.
Tennant Stuart
dic...@radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
Why didn't they just change the number?
Sirius Kase
<to...@toon.com> wrote:
In the official Brownie Handbook circa 1965, it says that it is an
insult, they work because they want to, not for pay, kinda like PTA
volunteers.
Sirius Kase
<pamb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Markku Uttula" <markku...@disconova.com> wrote in message
> news:<b71doa$phb$1...@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>...
> > Richard Eney wrote:
> > > Why do the owls serve as an unpaid mail service?
> >
> > At least the owl that brings Hagrid the paper in PS05 wanted payment (I
> > don't know if for the delivery or for the paper, but payment anyway).
> > Also I recall PoA having some mention about owlery that had different
> > priced owls doing deliveries, but I can't exactly recall where (I'm not
> > 100% certain of my memory serving me correct).
>
>
> The owls were at the post office in Hogsmeade. And yes there was a
> fee attached depending on where the owl was going. There were some
> small ones for local delivery only, and then they ranged up to large
> eagle or snowy owls. I don't know if you just paid the postage or had
> to buy the owl too.
>
> Pam
However, you don't need to pay postage if you use your own owl, if the
owl lives at home, you must care for it. That's why owls make such a
nice pet, think of all the money Harry saves in postage.
Sirius Kase
Tim Bruening
Tennant Stuart wrote:
> In article <b7d1m3$7n2$6...@news1.radix.net>,
> dic...@radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>
> > In article <LLQla.425327$L1.117602@sccrnsc02>,
> > Ron D <rwd...@internetcds.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
>
> >>> Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
>
> > There's no legally-valid reason to have to remove it, as there
> > was no involvement of similar trade. However, you're probably
> > right. :-(
>
> Why didn't they just change the number?
If the nuber on Sirius's vault were 711 in Britain, and say 712 in the
U.S., people would get confused.
Kish
>
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
>
>>Why didn't they just change the number?
>
>
> If the nuber on Sirius's vault were 711 in Britain, and say 712 in the
> U.S., people would get confused.
People are already confused, about why the number is 711 in Britain and
000 in the U.S.
Tennant Stuart
Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Tennant Stuart wrote:
Yeah, I guess so.
Do US business numbers in the street jump from 710 to 712?
Michael Abdelmalek
news:na.02846f4be3...@argonet.co.uk...
>
> Yeah, I guess so.
>
> Do US business numbers in the street jump from 710 to 712?
>
>
> Tennant
>
no, but row numbers on american planes jump from 12 to 14
stark
> no, but row numbers on american planes jump from 12 to 14
Do they, now? I've never noticed that. For such a bunch of idiotic
puritans, we sure are a superstitious lot.
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011100110111010001100001011100100110101100111010001000000101011101100101
011001000010000001000001011100000111001000100000001100010011011000100000
001100000011100100111010001100110011001100111010001100000011000000100000
010001010100010001010100001000000011001000110000001100000011001100001010
R. Tursi
I'm Pretty sure 7-11's are global. I've always noticed them in my
travels. And heck, when I was staying in Japan, they were on pretty
much every street corner. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more
7-11's there than in the US.
-Roe
R. Tursi
Rather annoying isn't it? I actually picked up my copies in Japan, of
all places. Good reading on the subways. :)
When my parents decided they wanted to read the Harry Potter series, I
ordered copies from amazon.co.uk and and them sent directly to their
house in Northern California. The adult boxset only cost about $40us
with shipping and everything, and it took less than a week to arrive.
I highly recommend it.
-Roe (who also pre-ordered a copy of OotP from amazon.co.uk)
Ron D
Spread alot in the last 20-30 years haven't they?.....
Ron D.
Ron D
On 16-Apr-2003, stark <at_n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> In article <we5na.470468$L1.135283@sccrnsc02>, Michael Abdelmalek
> wrote:
> > no, but row numbers on american planes jump from 12 to 14
>
> Do they, now? I've never noticed that. For such a bunch of idiotic
> puritans, we sure are a superstitious lot.
>
Just try looking for the 13th floor in an office building....
Ron D.
stark
That I'm familiar with. I worked in a 14 story office building. They
named the first floors L1 and L2, then numbered from 1 so that the top floor
was only 12.
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011100110111010001100001011100100110101100111010001000000101010001101000
011101010010000001000001011100000111001000100000001100010011011100100000
001100010011010000111010001100110011100100111010001100000011000000100000
010001010100010001010100001000000011001000110000001100000011001100001010
Tim Bruening
Tennant Stuart wrote:
> In article <3E9B3EB5...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Tennant Stuart wrote:
>
> >> In article <b7d1m3$7n2$6...@news1.radix.net>,
> >> dic...@radix.net (Richard Eney) wrote:
>
> >>> In article <LLQla.425327$L1.117602@sccrnsc02>,
> >>> Ron D <rwd...@internetcds.com> wrote:
> >>> <snip>
>
> >>>>> Vault number was removed as is it 711 (trademarked in USA)
>
> >>> There's no legally-valid reason to have to remove it, as there
> >>> was no involvement of similar trade. However, you're probably
> >>> right. :-(
>
> >> Why didn't they just change the number?
>
> > If the nuber on Sirius's vault were 711 in Britain, and say 712
> > in the U.S., people would get confused.
>
> Yeah, I guess so.
>
> Do US business numbers in the street jump from 710 to 712?
In Davis, CA, the house numbers usually jump by 6.
Mike Purtee
were provided there... but even so, the film kinda leaves me wonderin',
which it ought not, right?
First, who did Snapes think he was to berate Ron and Harry when they
first arrived, considering he's supposedly such a stickler for the
letter of the law? Chain of command is something he oughta respect, eh?
Second, if insects are such instinctive and alert little creatures,
shouldn't those spiders have been long gone before the attacks? That's
how in many programs you know when the mysterious enemy is beginning to
approach: by a flock of birds suddenly taking flight, or a stampede of
some form of wildlife.
Third(this is an assumption on my part, built from all the various other
fantasy novels I've read... so I may be off base), if there's some
lingering magical residue within Harry's scar, shouldn't it have carried
over when he drank the disguise potion?
Which brings me to the fourth inquiry. If his scar was causing him pain
when he got within close proximity of Voldemort's essence in the first
movie, why didn't it bother him at ALL when confronting it yet
again(numerous times...) in CoS?? Continuity, here, people!!!
Also, (fifth, BTW:) how inept is the faculty at Hogwarts that they
didn't check Herimone a little more thoroughly, and stumble over the
info she'd gathered?
Maybe I'm just a stickler for minor details, but what can I say? It's a
curse^^;
Mike
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>First, who did Snapes think he was to berate Ron and Harry when they
>first arrived, considering he's supposedly such a stickler for the
>letter of the law? Chain of command is something he oughta respect, eh?
In the book, Harry & Ron arrive at the castle in time to see the Sorting
Ceremony in progress from outside the great hall.. They look over at the
faculty table and see that Snape is missing. They ponder several scenarios as
to his absence (eg. "Maybe he's gone," or "Maybe he's somewhere else," or
"Maybe he's this or that"), and then they hear a chilling voice behind them -
"Or maybe he's waiting to hear why you didn't arrive on the train - Follow
me!." (CoS, Ch 5).
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David Robin
Purtee) wrote:
>It's been a while since I read the book, so I don't know if the answers
>were provided there... but even so, the film kinda leaves me wonderin',
>which it ought not, right?
Haven't read the book for a while, but I'll take a wack:
>
>First, who did Snapes think he was to berate Ron and Harry when they
>first arrived, considering he's supposedly such a stickler for the
>letter of the law? Chain of command is something he oughta respect, eh?
1. He is a teacher at Hogwarts, which is quite enough. Moreover, he
is Head of one of the school Houses. It is not discussed, but I would
think that that fact would give Snape McGanagall, Sprout and Flitwick
additional authority, should they wish to use it.
2. Here at least is one instance where the adaptation of the book tot
the movie makes a material change. In the book, while Snape says
basically what is said in the movie, he concluded, "but those with
that happy ability have been summined" (paraphrase). In the movie,
Snape is interrupted by Dumbledore, and in effect dressed down by him
in the exchange that follows. While I contend that change this scene
materially between novel and movie, it does at least point up the
animosity Snape feels for Harry and by extension, his friends, and
animosity that was (I felt) underplayed in the Movie 1.
>Second, if insects are such instinctive and alert little creatures,
>shouldn't those spiders have been long gone before the attacks? That's
>how in many programs you know when the mysterious enemy is beginning to
>approach: by a flock of birds suddenly taking flight, or a stampede of
>some form of wildlife.
Beyond the somewhat pedantic point that spiders are not insects, keep
in mind that Hogwarts castle is huge and could not be emptied of
spiders in a day that there would be numerous generations of spiders
in the course of one year--you could imagine that recognition of
danger only occurs either after an attack (the basilisk is loose!!!),
or when the spiders reach a certain maturity level
>Third(this is an assumption on my part, built from all the various other
>fantasy novels I've read... so I may be off base), if there's some
>lingering magical residue within Harry's scar, shouldn't it have carried
>over when he drank the disguise potion?
Not sure what you mean, unless you are suggesting that the scar should
not have disappeared. If that is your point, JKR makes the properties
of the Polyjuice Potion pretty clear in CoS and Gof. One would
imagine that a potion that removed Couch the Younger's leg and eye to
give him the appearence of Moody would have litte trouble with the
scar. For that matter, the "magical residue" of the scar "might" have
started the retransformation quicker, but there is no indication of
that in the book IIRC. The scar is just a convenient marker to
indicate the potion is wearing off.
>Which brings me to the fourth inquiry. If his scar was causing him pain
>when he got within close proximity of Voldemort's essence in the first
>movie, why didn't it bother him at ALL when confronting it yet
>again(numerous times...) in CoS?? Continuity, here, people!!!
Because, he was not confronting Voldemort in the CoS, he is
confronting the memory of Voldemort, a most different thing. The
memory has none of the experiences of its latter self, therefore none
ot the effect the real Voldemort would have.
It does lead though to some interesting speculation: had TR defeated
Harry and become fully physical, one would expect that the spirit of
Voldemort would have sensed it, and appeared to take possession of the
body of his 16 year old self!
>Also, (fifth, BTW:) how inept is the faculty at Hogwarts that they
>didn't check Herimone a little more thoroughly, and stumble over the
>info she'd gathered?
In the book, it is held much more tightly, and I remember reading that
Harry had to take some pains to get it out of her hand. For the
Movie, I'd chalk it up to the need to make things move faster.
Sirius Kase
NO, we'd just create some very long threads debating this issue until
we came up with a very good reason.
Obviously, it's just like crossing the street, stuff on the left side
is even wheras stuff on the British side is odd.
sirius kase
Dragon Friend
news:12063-3E9...@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net
> It's been a while since I read the book, so I don't know if the
> answers were provided there... but even so, the film kinda leaves me
> wonderin', which it ought not, right?
Well for one thing the films so far do not closely follow the books in all
aspects so it may be an idea to read the books again :-)
>
> First, who did Snapes think he was to berate Ron and Harry when they
> first arrived, considering he's supposedly such a stickler for the
> letter of the law? Chain of command is something he oughta respect,
> eh?
In the book it is actually Professor *Snape* who catches the boys when they
are waiting for the sorting ceremony to finish. Also as a teacher and head
of house he would have every right to correct any pupil out of line as well
as issue punishments, the only thing he cannot do is expel a pupil who is
not in his house, which he makes clear himself in the film :-)
>
> Second, if insects are such instinctive and alert little creatures,
> shouldn't those spiders have been long gone before the attacks? That's
> how in many programs you know when the mysterious enemy is beginning
> to approach: by a flock of birds suddenly taking flight, or a
> stampede of some form of wildlife.
For a start Hogwarts is huge, no way would you manage to clear all of the
spiders out of a place that size in a single day. You would also probably
find that unless the Basilisk was in their territory they wouldn't move, so
spiders will gradually move as the Basilisk moves within the school. Also
don't judge animal behaviour on how they behave in films or programs, they
are likely to be using poetic license ;-)
>
> Third(this is an assumption on my part, built from all the various
> other fantasy novels I've read... so I may be off base), if there's
> some lingering magical residue within Harry's scar, shouldn't it have
> carried over when he drank the disguise potion?
Way off base, sorry but read in CoS and GoF how this is dealt with, for
example Mad-Eye Moody :-)
>
> Which brings me to the fourth inquiry. If his scar was causing him
> pain when he got within close proximity of Voldemort's essence in the
> first movie, why didn't it bother him at ALL when confronting it yet
> again(numerous times...) in CoS?? Continuity, here, people!!!
He was facing a shadow of Voldemort in the second film it was a magical
representation of a younger version called Tom Riddle jnr. Therefore the
version he is facing in CoS one has not taken on any form and two is not the
same as the man who gave him the scar, think about it :-)
>
> Also, (fifth, BTW:) how inept is the faculty at Hogwarts that they
> didn't check Herimone a little more thoroughly, and stumble over the
> info she'd gathered?
They had no reason to search her for clues, they had no reason to search any
of the pupils who had been attacked. Even Harry and Ron only stumbled on
the clue clutched tightly in her hand, the teachers would have been more
concerned with making sure she was safe etc...
>
> Maybe I'm just a stickler for minor details, but what can I say? It's
> a curse^^;
>
In that case Mike I suggest you go back and read the books again rather than
base your questions on the films which are changed to suit time constraints
etc... :-) Then you will get the details you need as well as the
clarification.
Dragon Friend
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