Dumbledore's Watch
Barbarossa
that many fans expect him to turn up in book 7? Why did JKR say
that she "was having trouble with Dumbledore?" It has been
suggested that Harry will merely interact with his portrait, but
I think that there is more to it than that.
We do already know that Dumbledore is a Time Traveler - does
he not say in PoA that he "always finds it best to retrace [his]
steps?" This indicates some longtime experience (pun intended.)
Further we have seen his magnificent watch - no ordinary
timepiece, and no ordinary time turner either.
I submit to you that Dumbledore has indeed traveled to the
future and seen his fate, that all we have seen in Book 6 has
been arranged by him for Harry's benefit and that he willingly
accepted his own death to protect Harry or save Harry's life.
Further, Harry will meet Dumbledore in Book 7, possibly at
Godric's Hollow, and will finally give him the explanations we
all seek.
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Tom Stern
powerful now that he is dead.
My reasoning is based on a couple things we have seen:
1. Unlike most pictures, the portraits of fomer headmasters of
Hogwarts are not mere animated shadows of their original subject, but
are fully-aware of who they were and what they knew.
2. Also unlike most pictures, where the subject can hop between
adjacent pictures, the portraits of headmasters are all linked
together, so there is virtually only one of each.
3. Dumbledore is on thousands of trading cards in almost every
wizarding home in Great Britain (if not all of Europe).
(the rest is left as an exercise for the student...).
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:10:38 -0800, Barbarossa <whe...@ucsd.edu>
wrote:
Roonil Wazlib
Toon
wrote:
> I believe Dumbledore is dead; JKR has said so. Why is it then
>that many fans expect him to turn up in book 7? Why did JKR say
>that she "was having trouble with Dumbledore?" It has been
>suggested that Harry will merely interact with his portrait, but
>I think that there is more to it than that.
He's trouble because his death has ramifications and consequences that
affect others, and make certain things needing writing to be harder to
gel, whereas a live DD makes it easy to do.
>
> We do already know that Dumbledore is a Time Traveler
No, WE don't.
> - does
>he not say in PoA that he "always finds it best to retrace [his]
>steps?"
Ever hear of a pensive?
>This indicates some longtime experience (pun intended.)
>Further we have seen his magnificent watch - no ordinary
>timepiece, and no ordinary time turner either.
Why not use a Police Phone Box? Or learn to apperate through time.
> I submit to you that Dumbledore has indeed traveled to the
>future and seen his fate, that all we have seen in Book 6 has
>been arranged by him for Harry's benefit and that he willingly
>accepted his own death to protect Harry or save Harry's life.
>Further, Harry will meet Dumbledore in Book 7, possibly at
>Godric's Hollow, and will finally give him the explanations we
>all seek.
Why is he at Godick's Hollow?
Toon
<tomst...@forteinc.com> wrote:
>
>2. Also unlike most pictures, where the subject can hop between
>adjacent pictures, the portraits of headmasters are all linked
>together, so there is virtually only one of each.
Then who was showing up at 12GP pretending to be Phinnelius?
Thom Madura
Of course - there remains another possibility.
DD could have somehow transferred his abilities into Harry at the time
of his death - so while DD is not around - Harry now has the POWER.
Tom Stern
headmaster's office. As opposed to the several dozen Gilderoy
Lockharts that surrounded him in his portraits.
Richard Eney
Tom Stern <tomst...@forteinc.com> wrote:
>Toon <to...@toon.com> wrote:
>>Tom Stern<tomst...@forteinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>2. Also unlike most pictures, where the subject can hop
>>>between adjacent pictures, the portraits of headmasters are
>>>all linked together, so there is virtually only one of each.
>>
>>Then who was showing up at 12GP pretending to be Phinnelius?
>
>the headmaster's office. As opposed to the several dozen
>Gilderoy Lockharts that surrounded him in his portraits.
That's an interesting difference: headmaster portraits, and
portraits at Hogwarts in general, seem to have a single entity
who uses the different frames as alternative homes, like someone
who has a summer cottage. But Lockhart's portraits, though
magical enough to move, were more like photographs. So the
magic used to make a headmaster portrait must be different.
Maybe that's why the portrait Dobby painted of Harry was
just a black smear - it's waiting for Harry to take up
residence.
That does bring up an interesting question. Gilderoy Lockhart
not only had quite a few portraits of himself, he also sent out
hundreds of signed photographs. If we think Dumbledore's frog
cards can work as a network, what about Lockhart's photographs?
You'd have to put up with encountering him, of course - and are
his photos babbling now, or do they stay the same as they were
when the photo was taken? annoying either way. Still, while
most frog cards are owned by children and kept in boxes or
pockets, Lockhart's photos are owned by middle-aged women and
are probably displayed in a thousand witchy boudoirs. Even
Mrs. Weasley had a Lockhart photo, thugh she may have tossed
it out after she got the word about how he was trying to
obliviate Ron and leave Ginny to die. But what if she didn't?
If someone has to travel via Lockhart-photo-network, they
might be able to give Molly Weasley a message that way.
=Tamar
Sirius Kase
And after it's done with mourning, Harry now has the PHOENIX. I don't
think Faulkes going to go hide in the forest forever. We don't know
what that bird can do, but it is a rather magical bird. Not a
horcrux, but a knowledgeable, useful, strong, loyal, etc, creature
that has been around a long time and seen a lot.
*MYSTIC*
>
> And after it's done with mourning, Harry now has the PHOENIX. I don't
> think Faulkes going to go hide in the forest forever. We don't know
> what that bird can do, but it is a rather magical bird. Not a
> horcrux, but a knowledgeable, useful, strong, loyal, etc, creature
> that has been around a long time and seen a lot.
>
(with unfinished business), and does have a portrait on the wall (along
with alot of chocolate frog cards). He has plenty of opprotunities to
return to help harry.
Sirius Kase
> I believe Dumbledore is dead; JKR has said so. Why is it then
> that many fans expect him to turn up in book 7?
Silly people have nothing better to talk about. So, I want to know
who inherits Dumbledore's stuff? Sirius left everything to Harry, but
Dumbledore has a brother. Anyway, can we expect another person to
leave it all to Harry? He's got a watch, a bird, a putter outter, and
all those things Harry broke in his office. I don't know about you,
but I want another look at that watch.
Toon
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Ghosts are unhappy cowards and something else. DD does not fear death,
he welcomes it. Chocolate cards don't communicate with people
Toon
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I think Fawkes is a free agent. He can't be willed to anybody.
Ron Hunter
Hummm. The pictures on the cards are often blank, or were in
Dumbledore's case (perhaps because he was still alive), so in that
sense, they act rather like the portraits on the Headmaster's wall,
which we know can travel between there, and all their other pictures.
So, why do you think Dumbledore can't use all the cards as viewports on
the world?
Help can sometimes be just a timely hint.
Ron Hunter
There are numerous references to how much Fawkes likes Harry. I expect
him to turn up in book 7 to help Harry in extreme situations.
BriD
Didn't Ron get one just like it for his coming of age? If you ask
nicely he might let you look at it - if you show him Uranus :-)
Oh and didn't Harry "Know, somehow, that Fawkes had left forever"
BriD
drusilla
There are wild Phoenixes, as "Fantastic Beasts" says, but at least
Fawkes was somehow domesticated. It was really loyal to Dumbledore.
Toon
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No card is shown to communicate. JK nixed the Order Communciation
trick as being frog cards because their easily lost. We've seen
Lockharts' portraits move off frame. No need to think the card pick
is traveling between them all. Cards seem to be photograph based, not
portrait. Just like in the Muggle world.
Toon
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>Toon wrote:
Help sure, but not owned. I think pet ownership falls under too much
to handle. Note Hedwig is in the Aviary most of the time, being cared
for presumably by Hagrid.
Toon
Yes, but it could be by choice, not ownership. We'd need to see
another Phoenix in captivity and how it's handled to know. The fact
Fawkes knew on his own Harry was fiecely loyal and in trouble
indicates he operates on his own.
Richard Eney
>>>> I want to know who inherits Dumbledore's stuff?
>>>> Sirius left everything to Harry, but Dumbledore has a brother.
>>>> Anyway, can we expect another person to leave it all to Harry?
>>>> He's got a watch, a bird, a putter outter, and
>>>> all those things Harry broke in his office.
>>>> I don't know about you, but I want another look at that watch.
>>>
>>> I think Fawkes is a free agent. He can't be willed to anybody.
>>
>>There are wild Phoenixes, as "Fantastic Beasts" says, but at least
>>Fawkes was somehow domesticated. It was really loyal to Dumbledore.
>
>Yes, but it could be by choice, not ownership. We'd need to see
>another Phoenix in captivity and how it's handled to know.
There's a reference to one other domesticated phoenix in a charity
book. I think it's a Quidditch team mascot in Australia.
>The fact Fawkes knew on his own Harry was fiercely loyal and
>in trouble indicates he operates on his own.
Or DD told him to do watch over Harry.
=Tamar
Toon
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>
>There's a reference to one other domesticated phoenix in a charity
>book. I think it's a Quidditch team mascot in Australia.
Referenced is not seeing. When the coach dies, does it leave? As the
years go on, and new players come and go, does it leave? WHs Phoenix
is it? The teams? The coach's? A players?
Frodo Baggins
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Makes one wonder: why go thru Hogwarts and study Magic when you can
get it by a simple transfusion! :)
Sirius Kase
> get it by a simple transfusion! :)
Because it may not be that simple, it may involve dying (in DD case)
or destruction of the body (as when Voldy transferred some of his
powers to Harry).
Of course, why study History when all Binns has to do is collect the
important memories of all time into a pensieve and then he could just
turn the class loose in there.
Toon
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To learn to harness and control it. He has Voldipower, but barely
knows how to use it. Doesn't even now when he's speaking snake.
Toon
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>On Mar 26, 1:30 pm, "Frodo Baggins" <doufr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
If he can get the proper donations. And they aren't faked.