DaveD
That portion of the book was so stupid I can't even think about the little
details... Another stupid part of the book - the Gringotts Bank break-in...
Another stupid part of the book - the neverending camping trip...
Babs
>>I was just wondering how long the trio were in the MoM when they retook the
>>locket from Umbridge? It's just that the way I read it, they seem to be
>>there for quite some time, but polyjuice wears off after an hour and they
>>don't mention taking any with them (a bit difficult for Hermione to sip
>>some in the middle of the hearing, sitting next to Umbridge)...
>That portion of the book was so stupid I can't even think about the little
>details... Another stupid part of the book - the Gringotts Bank break-in...
>Another stupid part of the book - the neverending camping trip...
And yet I loved it all. In fact My two favourite books are PS and
DH... the rest are just fillers by comparison! :)
Of all of them DH is far and away the best written.
Welshdog
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While I think some stuff was interesting, I found myself skimming over parts
during the camping trip and was so put off by the bank break-in and esp the
MoM break-in that I was very disappointed with the book... I found the last
2 books the most disappointing of all... My fav book is 5 followed by 3
then 4... 1 and 2 are OK, fillers as you put them... 6 and 7 -
disappointing... But., my opinion only, of course....
Babs
>>>>I was just wondering how long the trio were in the MoM when they retook
>>>>the locket from Umbridge? It's just that the way I read it, they seem to be
>>>>there for quite some time, but polyjuice wears off after an hour and they
>>>>don't mention taking any with them (a bit difficult for Hermione to sip
>>>>some in the middle of the hearing, sitting next to Umbridge)...
>>>That portion of the book was so stupid I can't even think about the little
>>>details... Another stupid part of the book - the Gringotts Bank
>>>break-in...
>>>Another stupid part of the book - the neverending camping trip...
>> And yet I loved it all. In fact My two favourite books are PS and
>> DH... the rest are just fillers by comparison! :)
>> Of all of them DH is far and away the best written.
>*cross-eyed look at Welshdog*
>While I think some stuff was interesting, I found myself skimming over parts
>during the camping trip and was so put off by the bank break-in and esp the
>MoM break-in that I was very disappointed with the book... I found the last
>2 books the most disappointing of all... My fav book is 5 followed by 3
>then 4... 1 and 2 are OK, fillers as you put them... 6 and 7 -
>disappointing... But., my opinion only, of course....
That's so strange - seriously. I thought the camping trip was
brilliant. It really brought out the tedium and uncertainties of their
position... as Harry said they were just three kids with no clear idea
how to do the task they'd been set.
The MoM episode was a bit iffy I agree, but the Gringott's break in
was pretty damn good!
The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
Ok they were total gits... but they were an integral part of the story
and Dudley *did* after all seem to be having a bit of an epiphany at
the end there. Would have been nice to have closure.
Dedalus house was burned down... we assume neither he nor Hettie...
nor the Dursleys were hiding out there, but if we aren't old then how
do we know?
> Another stupid part of the book - the Gringotts Bank break-in...
I still have not read that chapter in its entirety. As soon as someone
used the Imperius Curse in a secure facility without setting off an
alarm, I knew that the plotting was going to be slapdash in that part of
the book. I skipped to the part where they have left the bank and were
flying on the dragon.
Regards,
John
It would have been fun to have a kid of Dudley going to Hogwarts with
Harry's kids
>
The problem is, MOM and Gringots are supposed to be very hard to
infiltrate, and a couple of newbie adults, still kids in so many ways,
waltz in and out of there, fooling everybody, and stealing a dragon.
Not very believable. Just like how everybody can now perform the
ultra hard Patronus. Everybody in the Order/DA that is.
>The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
>answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
>Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
Where's Luna? You'd think during the slight rewrites to the Epilogue
she'd get a mention.
>Ok they were total gits... but they were an integral part of the story
>and Dudley *did* after all seem to be having a bit of an epiphany at
>the end there. Would have been nice to have closure.
>
>Dedalus house was burned down... we assume neither he nor Hettie...
>nor the Dursleys were hiding out there, but if we aren't old then how
>do we know?
>
>Welshdog
Read between the lines. You don't need every detail spelled out for
you.
>
> The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
> answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
> Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
Hi,
I posted this once, but I thought it might be interesting to some folk
that might not have read it before.
RC
Harry Potter and What Ever Happened To………….?
Following, is a compilation of information from the Epilogue of
Deathly Hallows, JK Rowlings interview with Dateline, the Bloomsbury
internet chat, the interview with Time Magazine and her website.
Kingsley Schacklebolt became permanent Minister for Magic. Under his
leadership, The Ministry of Magic was de-corrupted, and the
discrimination that was always latent there was eradicated.
Kingsley Shacklebolt, the new Minister of Magic, appointed Harry
Potter head of his new Auror department. He and Ron Weasley
revolutionized the department. He married Ginny Weasley and they had
three children, James Sirius, Albus Seveus and Lilly Luna. He is an
occasional guest lecturer on Defense Against the Dark Arts at
Hogwarts.
After a stint at the Ministry in the Auror Department, Ron Weasley
joined his brother George at Weasleys’ Wizarding Wheezes, which became
an enormous money-spinner. He married Hermonie Granger and they had
two children, Rose and Hugo.
Hermione Granger returned to Hogwarts and completed her last year of
school. She began her post-Hogwarts career at the Department for the
Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures where she was instrumental
in greatly improving life for house-elves and their ilk. She then
moved to the Dept. of Magical Law Enforcement where she was a
progressive voice who ensured the eradication of oppressive, pro-
pureblood laws. She married Ron Weasley and they had two children,
Rose and Hugo.
After a few years as a celebrated player for the Holyhead Harpies,
Ginny Weasley married Harry Potter. She retired to have a family and
to become the Senior Quidditch correspondent at the Daily Prophet.
They had three children, James, Albus and Lilly.
Neville Longbottom teaches Herbology at Hogwarts. He married Hanna
Abbott who bought the Leakey Cauldron. He is still close to Harry,
Ron, and Hermonie.
Luna Lovegood became a very famous wizarding naturalist who discovered
and classified many new species of animals (though, she never did find
a Crumple-Horned Snorkack and had, finally, to accept that her father
might have made that one up). She married Rolf Scamander, a fellow
naturalist and grandson of the great naturalist and author, Newt
Scamander. They have two children, Lorcan and Lysander
Bill Weasley and Fleur Delacouer had three children, Victorie, who is
involved with Ted Lupin, Dominique and Louis.
Charlie Wesley never married.
Percy Weasley became as a high-ranking official under Minister Kingsly
Schacklebolt. He married Audry( no last name given ) and has two
daughters, Molly and Lucy.
George Weasley went on to have a very successful career in business -
- with his brother Ron as a partner. He married Angelina and has two
children, Fred and Roxanne He never completely got over losing his
twin.
Draco Malfoy married Astoria Greengrass, younger sister of Daphne
Greengrass. (Daphne Greengrass was one of Pansy Parkinson's Slytherin
friends.) They have a son, Scorpius. Although misfortune sobered
Draco, he and Harry Potter never completely lost their animosity
towards each other. There was a kind of rapprochement, in that Harry
knew Draco hated being a Death Eater, and would not have killed
Dumbledore; similarly, Draco felt a grudging gratitude towards Harry
for saving his life. Real friendship would be out of the question,
though, to much happened prior to the final battle.
Lucius and Narcissia Malfoy weaseled their way out of trouble because
they colluded with Harry at the end of the battle.
Delores Umbridge was arrested, interrogated and imprisoned for crimes
against Muggleborns.
Ted Lupin was raised by his grandmother, Andromeda Tonks. Harry
Potter, his godfather, and all his father’s friends in the Order were
involved in his life. He's a Metamorphmagus like his mother and is
involved with Bill Wealsely’s daughter Victorie
Winky is still at Hogwarts. She was one of the oncoming house-elves
who attacked the Death Eaters in the final battle.
Firenze was welcomed back into the herd. The rest of the herd was
forced to acknowledge that Firenze's pro-human leanings were not
shameful, but honorable.
<snip>
>>Dedalus house was burned down... we assume neither he nor Hettie...
>>nor the Dursleys were hiding out there, but if we aren't old then how
>>do we know?
>Read between the lines. You don't need every detail spelled out for
>you.
Not every detail no... but *some* lines are necessary for us to be
able to read between them! When there is nothing... there is nothing!
:)
The 'assumption' is that Harry simply wiped them from his life... but
then why mention Draco who wasn't exactly a friend! There should have
been *something* if only one dismissive line that they went back to
their straight laced life but for them it was never the same again...
... or some such rubbish. :)
>> The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
>> answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
>> Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
>I posted this once, but I thought it might be interesting to some folk
>that might not have read it before.
>RC
>Harry Potter and What Ever Happened To………….?
<snip>
Really nice work - thanks for reposting! It's a story outline in it's
own right!! :)
Only problem is it only addresses the goings-on in the Potterverse and
there's no mention of what happened to the Dursleys.
It's more than likely nothing happened and Harry never saw or heard of
them again and liked it that way... but still... we learned (or could
guess) what happened to most of the major characters *except* for what
remains of Harry's family.
If only for *my* peace of mind I'd like it if JKR could release a few
snippets of info!! :)
Ah! I never thought of that one! Amusing thought indeed...
Babs
She gave us just a little bit about Dudley on her site:
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=26
> She gave us just a little bit about Dudley on her site:
>
> http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=26- Hide quoted text -
Thanks Steve, I will add it to the information.
RC
RC
=======
Annoyingly, we shouldn't have to dig for this info... I appreciate your
gathering the info up for us... You should post if from time to time like
the FAQ is....
Babs
Draco was shown to show the new dynamic of their relationship. Not
friends, but not enemies either. It was no longer a rehash of James
and Snape. Plus, Draco's a main character, and a main baddie from
story to story. You need to know his final fate, and his redemption
of sorts from the end.
Now, what would have been nice was an actual battle between Voldemort
and Harry. Instead we get a lecture explaining why Harry's about to
win, and Voldemort once again using an attack he knows doesn't work on
Harry, convinced this time it must work.
<snip>
>> It's more than likely nothing happened and Harry never saw or heard of
>> them again and liked it that way... but still... we learned (or could
>> guess) what happened to most of the major characters *except* for what
>> remains of Harry's family.
>> If only for *my* peace of mind I'd like it if JKR could release a few
>> snippets of info!! :)
>She gave us just a little bit about Dudley on her site:
>http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=26
Thanks for that... it's not a lot but better than nothing I suppose :(
lol - DH does seem to be a bit of a marmite book, it does rather separate
people into love-it/hate-it camps!
> While I think some stuff was interesting, I found myself skimming over
> parts during the camping trip and was so put off by the bank break-in and
> esp the MoM break-in that I was very disappointed with the book... I
> found the last 2 books the most disappointing of all... My fav book is 5
> followed by 3 then 4... 1 and 2 are OK, fillers as you put them... 6 and
> 7 - disappointing... But., my opinion only, of course....
>
> Babs
Perhaps it's the skimming that's the problem? The first time I read it, I
did so in a day (and gave myself a migraine!) - I couldn't stop, I couldn't
put it down, I had to know how this story, this amazing creation, ended. But
the camping scene did draaaaag on so. And so, rushing it, I didn't get a
feel for the book. I immediately reread it, more relaxed now (not that the
book's tension levels really allowed much relaxation!) and got so much more
from it. Somehow it came across as more real than the others. Subsequent
rereadings have improved it still further, and now the camping scene is
fine. It's a bit like a journey, I find - the first time you go somewhere it
seems a lot further away and to take a lot longer than the next time you
visit, and the next trip is even shorter. Now when I read DH the camping
scene goes quite quickly and I even enjoy it :)
DaveD
Yes, I agree - it reminds me of Stephen Spielberg films like the Indiana
Jones series: you just start getting your breath back after one action scene
only to launch straight into another. And even when you know how it's going
to work out, as in the (admittedly-too-far-fetched) visit to the MoM,
Gringotts, and back to Hogwarts, still it manages to somehow keep you in
suspense, doubtful of a successful outcome until you finish the chapter.
And the chapter near the end in Dd's office, when Harry learns he has to
die, is amazing - I still get teary and emotional, with JKR's references to
his heart, beating extra fast as if to make up for the fact it's about to
stop, to be cut short in its prime. I'm sure literary critics can pull it to
pieces, but to an unpretentious muggle like me, it's quite brilliant.
DaveD
>>>>Another stupid part of the book - the neverending camping trip...
>
>>> And yet I loved it all. In fact My two favourite books are PS and
>>> DH... the rest are just fillers by comparison! :)
>
>>> Of all of them DH is far and away the best written.
>
>>*cross-eyed look at Welshdog*
>>While I think some stuff was interesting, I found myself skimming over
>>parts
>>during the camping trip and was so put off by the bank break-in and esp
>>the
>>MoM break-in that I was very disappointed with the book... I found the
>>last
>>2 books the most disappointing of all... My fav book is 5 followed by 3
>>then 4... 1 and 2 are OK, fillers as you put them... 6 and 7 -
>>disappointing... But., my opinion only, of course....
>
> That's so strange - seriously. I thought the camping trip was
> brilliant. It really brought out the tedium and uncertainties of their
> position... as Harry said they were just three kids with no clear idea
> how to do the task they'd been set.
>
> The MoM episode was a bit iffy I agree, but the Gringott's break in
> was pretty damn good!
>
> The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
> answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
> Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
So true... I wonder if she will ever do a rewrite of the books as she
mentioned? I suspect not doing it would be the better option - but the
exception to that would be the epilogue, perhaps include the original one in
the encyclopaedia (in exams they say it's almost always best to stick to
your first answer; you almost get it wrong if you change it. I think the
same applies here: stick with your original epilogue!)
> Ok they were total gits... but they were an integral part of the story
> and Dudley *did* after all seem to be having a bit of an epiphany at
> the end there. Would have been nice to have closure.
Yes, that was disappointing, I so wanted them (well, Dudders and Tuney) to
say goodbye properly to Harry and give him a hug or something, and have him
appreciate it rather than be churlish. But I think this bad relationship was
fundamentally important to JKR and she didn't want to tarnish it by making
it saccharine-sweet; given how bad things had been between them all, she
decided to stick with that and keep it real by writing the scene as she did.
> Dedalus house was burned down... we assume neither he nor Hettie...
> nor the Dursleys were hiding out there, but if we aren't old then how
> do we know?
I was wondering where they went after they left 4PD, and I'd forgotten they
left with Dedalus. Good question - did they stay with him, and if so, did
they survive the fire?
DaveD
> She gave us just a little bit about Dudley on her site:
>
> http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=26- Hide
> quoted text -
<quote>
Thanks Steve, I will add it to the information.
RC
</quote>
Thanks indeed - that one either passed me by, or I forgot (the former, I
think!)
DaveD
<snip>
>> The only quibble I have with the book is the crappy epilogue that
>> answered none of the questions we'd been asking and the way that the
>> Dursleys were dismissed without ceremony.
>So true... I wonder if she will ever do a rewrite of the books as she
>mentioned? I suspect not doing it would be the better option - but the
>exception to that would be the epilogue, perhaps include the original one in
>the encyclopaedia (in exams they say it's almost always best to stick to
>your first answer; you almost get it wrong if you change it. I think the
>same applies here: stick with your original epilogue!)
>> Ok they were total gits... but they were an integral part of the story
>> and Dudley *did* after all seem to be having a bit of an epiphany at
>> the end there. Would have been nice to have closure.
>Yes, that was disappointing, I so wanted them (well, Dudders and Tuney) to
>say goodbye properly to Harry and give him a hug or something, and have him
>appreciate it rather than be churlish. But I think this bad relationship was
>fundamentally important to JKR and she didn't want to tarnish it by making
>it saccharine-sweet; given how bad things had been between them all, she
>decided to stick with that and keep it real by writing the scene as she did.
I wouldn't really have wanted her to spoil that hate-hate
relationship... just tell us if they survived and perhaps a little of
their subsequent history. :)
At least we now know *Dudley* survived... and Harry and he exchange
Xmas cards - it's better than nothing. :)
>> Dedalus house was burned down... we assume neither he nor Hettie...
>> nor the Dursleys were hiding out there, but if we aren't told then how
>> do we know?
>I was wondering where they went after they left 4PD, and I'd forgotten they
>left with Dedalus. Good question - did they stay with him, and if so, did
>they survive the fire?
Just add it to the list of 'unanswered questions' :D
I missed it to. :(