Views on converting books to film
Tweedle Dee
whether she wants her Booker Prize winning book The God of Small
Things to be converted into a movie, here is what she had to say:
------
Interviewer: I learned that The God of Small Things has sold six
million copies in some forty languages. Your agent, David Godwin, also
tells me that you've turned down offers for film rights from all over
the world, including Hollywood. Are you waiting for the right
director? Can we ever expect to see a film version of your novel?
A. Roy: No... it's not about the right director. I don't think my book
would make a good film. Besides, I don't think cinema has to be the
last stop for literature, for novels. I had written two feature
screenplays before I started writing The God of Small Things. I was
feeling a little confined by the 'externality' of cinema. I wanted to
be free to write from within, from inside peoples' hearts and heads. I
wanted to feel free to write a whole page describing the moon and the
trees in the river, not just have to write Scene 21. Ext. Night.
River.
Perhaps because I was a screenwriter, I set out to write a stubbornly
visual but unfilmable book. And I did. The most visual thing about The
God of Small Things are the feelings. How would you film lonely,
frightened little Rahel communing with a kangaroo-shaped waste bin in
Cochin Airport? I don't see cinema capturing the magic whisper, the
helicopter kisses, the secret breathing of a cement kangaroo. Not
unless you were making the Walt Disney version.
Also, I think that each reader of The God of Small Things has his or
her own version of the film running inside their heads - there are six
million different versions of the film. It would be a pity, don't you
think, to let a single film-maker extinguish and appropriate all those
versions, and force-fit them into a single, definitive one. This
decentralised democracy is fine by me [smiles].
And this may sound silly, but I couldn't bear the idea of seeing
actors play Estha, Rahel, Velutha, Ammu, Chacko... it would kill me. I
love them too much. I always will.
------
I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
-Cheers,
TD
Lyle Francis Delp
I believe that she has made it clear. She was
thrilled to see her characters brought to life and
has stated as much in interviews. I'm prepared
to take her at her word.
--
Lyle Delp
Yeah, Lyle Francis Delp! Ya wanna make somethin' outtavit?
Tweedle Dee
What do you think of Roy's idea of there being six million versions of
the film (corresponding to each reader of the book), and how by making
the movie, the film-maker extinguishes and appropriates all those
versions.
In Rowling's case, there would be a billion versions of the film, by
the same argument. So the "decentralised democracy" of a billion has
been converted to a dictatorship of one :-)
There is some truth to this argument, I have to say. Nowadays, when I
read any of the HP books, and I see Hermione speak to Harry or Ron,
the image that flashes in my mind is that of Emma Watson. I can't help
that. Same with Harry and Ron. Interestingly, when I read DD speak, I
see him in my mind quite different from the DD in the books.
Cheers,
TD
Tweedle Dee
Typo there - I meant "DD in the movies", in the last line.
-TD
Deevo
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Frankly I don't think we'll ever know for sure. The truth of the matter is
that the films have now taken on a life of their own and as the holders of
the film rights WB can pretty much do whatever they want.
Jo states publically that she's in favour of the films and the way they've
been presented but what would you expect her to say? Even a lack of comment
by her could be seen as a snubbing of the film process so I doubt, if she
holds any reservations on them, that they'll ever be publically known.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
Toon
<k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
>Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
>books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
I better have a roll in all my money to cheer me up.
Toon
<k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>What do you think of Roy's idea of there being six million versions of
>the film (corresponding to each reader of the book), and how by making
>the movie, the film-maker extinguishes and appropriates all those
>versions.
Most People are unimaginative boobs. They adopt the movie version so
they don't have to use their own creativity. I rarely incorporate
movies into books. Oh sure, I might use the actor as a general basis,
but it's 90% all me. I still used my visions of the trio et al and
not Dan, Emma, and Rupert.
It's gotten so bad, the video game versions have molded the characters
off the actor, because that's how everybody sees them anyway, they
said.
John Clark
movie adaptation of the Golden Compass would destroy his book,
he replied: "What do you mean? The book is right over there, on the shelf."
John K Clark
DaveD
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> "Tweedle Dee" <k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
>> I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
>> Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
>> books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
>
> Frankly I don't think we'll ever know for sure. The truth of the matter
> is that the films have now taken on a life of their own and as the holders
> of the film rights WB can pretty much do whatever they want.
>
> Jo states publically that she's in favour of the films and the way they've
> been presented but what would you expect her to say? Even a lack of
> comment by her could be seen as a snubbing of the film process so I doubt,
> if she holds any reservations on them, that they'll ever be publically
> known.
> --
> Deevo
If you can't rely on what she says about such things in interviews (and I
agree, she's unlikely to slag the films off however she felt) then it makes
it harder to ascertain her true feelings. But actions speak louder than
words, and you get the impression (from the actors' interviews!) that she
visits the sets from time to time which I doubt she'd do if she really
didn't like the films, and she also gives advice to the filmmakers, such as
Kreacher will play an important role in DH so don't omit him from OotP, and
that Dd was gay so don't give him an girlfriend in his past.
Interestingly, with that last, it was only in her head, not in the books,
yet one is given to believe it was still heeded, even though it wouldn't
make much, if any, difference to the main plot line (it's not like they'll
explain much about Dd and Grindenwald in the film of DH unless they do an
X-rated director's cut lol).
That level of involvement, interplay and mutual respect (you don't offer
advice if you don't think the product is worth it) suggests that she does
like the films, even if they're not 100% what she had in mind. And I do seem
to recall (though I regret I can't remember where!) JKR Said the films were
surprisingly close to how she saw the stories in her head, and that there
were one or two characters where she heard the actor's voice when she was
writing the books.
DaveD
Yellow
I am sad for you that you believe all that counts in this world is the
money.
Toon
<dav...@DELETETHISBITblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Interestingly, with that last, it was only in her head, not in the books,
>yet one is given to believe it was still heeded, even though it wouldn't
>make much, if any, difference to the main plot line (it's not like they'll
>explain much about Dd and Grindenwald in the film of DH unless they do an
>X-rated director's cut lol).
Harry Potter And The Visit To Brokeback Mountain
Grindevald might get cut. DD'll just say he eventually he found and
won the Elder Wand.
Thom Madura
That is not what was said - nor did he say that is what HE feels.
Toon
wrote:
Thankfully I do not. Though I feel pity for you for making snap
judgments on people based on a joke they made.
Remember it was about the money for Jo (not only, mind you). She
wanted to get a better life for herself and daughter, and make sure
her kids never went through what she did.
Tweedle Dee
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:28:00 -0000, Yellow <y...@please.no.spam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Toon [t...@toon.com] said:
> >> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 02:40:58 -0800 (PST), Tweedle Dee
> >> <k.va...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> >I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
> >> >Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
> >> >books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
>
> >> I better have a roll in all my money to cheer me up.
>
> >I am sad for you that you believe all that counts in this world is the
> >money.
>
> Thankfully I do not. Though I feel pity for you for making snap
> judgments on people based on a joke they made.
>
> Remember it was about the money for Jo (not only, mind you). She
> wanted to get a better life for herself and daughter, and make sure
> her kids never went through what she did.
I think most people who spend a lot of time browsing or posting to
newsgroups like this one do not really have money as the paramount
priority in life. if they did, they would be investing their time in
far more lucrative things, not wasting it in useless discussions and
arguments, like us losers :-)
Cheers,
TD
Thom Madura
I disagree.
Virtually all of the people in the world have money as ONE of their
paramount priorities in life. However - they do not have money as their
ONLY paramount priority in life. It is not a matter of placing
priorities in a specific order - there are a group that all have to be
addressed - and money is indeed one of them. That they do not spend
every waking moment in the pursuit of money doesn't diminish them.
People spend lots of time in useless discussions, arguments, and
activities - and still manage to make enough money to live well - just
look at the preachers - for instance. When you talk about losers - use a
singular pronoun - the rest of us do not belong.
Yellow
Was too.
> nor did he say that is what HE feel.
I'd have thought you would have figured out by now that people generally
assume that everyone else is like themselves therefore the statement
very much described the poster's mindset. And if you genuinely hadn't
worked that out (and are not just trying to troll me) have the info on
me - it will change your life! ;-)
Tweedle Dee
>
> - Show quoted text -
I used the words "wasting", "useless" and "losers" in an ironic sense
in my earlier post. I was responding to the statement made about Toon:
that for posters like him all that counted in the world was money.
I would have thought that the smiley at the end would have been a
giveaway. Ah well.
-TD
santosh
<snip - not important>
> What do you think of Roy's idea of there being six million versions of
> the film (corresponding to each reader of the book), and how by making
> the movie, the film-maker extinguishes and appropriates all those
> versions.
Roy is generalising. Just as there are likely to be people who would
tend to picture in their mind's eye film actors who have played the
characters that they are reading about, there are also people who do
not. I am among them.
Whenever I read a book, including fanfiction, the picture I form of the
characters involved is constructed from their descriptions in the book.
If the descriptions are lacking or insufficient I form my own "custom"
picture. For often read fiction like say HP, I have "stock" pictures of
most characters like Harry, Hermione and others that I can
mentally "drop in" when the book itself does not have sufficient visual
descriptions. They are quite different from Radcliffe, Watson and Grint
since they were formed and cemented in my mind many years before I saw
the films.
Besides I don't like the HP films thus far. And I'm not confident that
WB are going to make me change my outlook with the remaining two.
> In Rowling's case, there would be a billion versions of the film, by
> the same argument. So the "decentralised democracy" of a billion has
> been converted to a dictatorship of one :-)
You are underestimating people, though that is quite understandable,
given the current state of affairs in the world.
> There is some truth to this argument, I have to say. Nowadays, when I
> read any of the HP books, and I see Hermione speak to Harry or Ron,
> the image that flashes in my mind is that of Emma Watson. I can't help
> that. Same with Harry and Ron. Interestingly, when I read DD speak, I
> see him in my mind quite different from the DD in the books.
I make significant efforts to "forget" Radcliffe and Grint after
watching the films. I do like Watson's image of Hermione better though,
but not my much.
Thom Madura
No - I would think by now that YOU would realize that those of us who
have been in this group as long as Toon and I have been have a better
understanding of each other than you can get from one line. From the
YEARS of experience - I can - without a doubt - say that the line was
not made completely seriously about JKR. IT was an answer to a specific
question about the depiction of her characters by actors who don't
necessarily see them exactly the same way she did. I can believe that
she would have been apprehensive about it.
At the same time - my guess is that you would be cheered up knowing that
money is no longer a problem in your life - even if it was not the main
thing that counted in your life. But - Toon never said that money was
the main thing in either his or JKR's life - only that it cheered her up.
Anyway - it has been established in this group that I am the one who
attacks Toon on his opinions of the books - I did not and do not give
you that perogative.
Edward McArdle
Thom Madura <Tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
If I cannot attack Toon, because that is your restricted domain, can I
attack you? For your nonsensical opinions, you know. 8>) <---
--
my URL,
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~mcardle
Drusilla
Rolling on money cheers me up, not money. Have you ever tried it? You
should: It's really REALLY cool.
Drusilla
She has lightly talked about this:
"How did you feel about the POA filmmakers leaving the Marauder’s Map’s
background out of the story? (A Mugglenet/Lexicon question)"
"I was fine with it. It is simply impossible to incorporate every one of
my storylines into a film that has to be kept under four hours long.
Obviously films have restrictions novels do not have, constraints of
time and budget; I can create dazzling effects relying on nothing but
the interaction of my own and my readers’ imaginations – hence my
preference for the page over the screen."
Looks to me that she's pleased but not completely satisfy. I think that
she wasn't very happy that Lily was cut from the Pensieve scene in OotP.
Drusilla
But actions speak louder
> than words, and you get the impression (from the actors' interviews!)
> that she visits the sets from time to time which I doubt she'd do if she
> really didn't like the films,
She might like the actors, but not necessarily the films.
Green-Eyed Chris
Edward McArdle <mca...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Wait in line like everybody else.
--
Chris
Green-Eyed Chris
Thom Madura <Tomm...@optonline.net> wrote:
Perhaps we should establish a pecking order in the FAQ making you a
pecker and Toon a peckee.
Actually, I am more reminded of Rowan and Martin.
--
Chris
Toon
Well, somebody has to, and it looks like it's fallen to Harry Potter
fans to do it.
Toon
wrote:
>Thom Madura [Tomm...@optonline.net] said:
>> Yellow wrote:
>> > Toon [to...@toon.com] said:
>> >> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 02:40:58 -0800 (PST), Tweedle Dee
>> >> <k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
>> >>> Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
>> >>> books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
>> >> I better have a roll in all my money to cheer me up.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am sad for you that you believe all that counts in this world is the
>> > money.
>>
>> That is not what was said
>
>Was too.
Was not. :P
Nowhere in my statement above is MY belief stated. Some of us just
like rolling around, or hopefully one day swimming through, large
quantities of money. None of which implies that that is all we
believe matters. It's just a nice pick me up when feeling blue. When
was the last time you saw someone rolling around in money, crying and
being miserable?
>> nor did he say that is what HE feel.
Exactly.
>I'd have thought you would have figured out by now that people generally
>assume that everyone else is like themselves therefore the statement
>very much described the poster's mindset.
Yet it doesn't, since I am the one who is not part of the general
assumption. Seems it's just your assumption being forced onto me.
But to spare you any wasted arguing against me, since clearly you must
know better about my mind set and beliefs than me, I generally assume
nobody is like me, and therefore will do things differently, oddly,
and at times moronically, than me.
Though I'm sure you have some generalization about others that'll
prove me wrong.
Toon
Sock it to me. Oh wait, Yellow already did.
And that's the truth. Thbbbt! (Oh Edith Ann, will you ever fit in that
chair?)
Toon
<k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Virtually all of the people in the world have money as ONE of their
>> paramount priorities in life. However - they do not have money as their
>> ONLY paramount priority in life. It is not a matter of placing
>> priorities in a specific order - there are a group that all have to be
>> addressed - and money is indeed one of them. That they do not spend
>> every waking moment in the pursuit of money doesn't diminish them.
>>
>> People spend lots of time in useless discussions, arguments, and
>> activities - and still manage to make enough money to live well - just
>> look at the preachers - for instance. When you talk about losers - use a
>> singular pronoun - the rest of us do not belong.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I used the words "wasting", "useless" and "losers" in an ironic sense
>in my earlier post. I was responding to the statement made about Toon:
>that for posters like him all that counted in the world was money.
>
>I would have thought that the smiley at the end would have been a
>giveaway. Ah well.
>
>-TD
Alas on Usenet, smiley's are very much needed, as the tone of a joke
gets lost on some people.
I saw a flame war develop over whether or not a smiley should of been
used. Never mind the joke turned insult. It was mostly about the
failure and reason behind that failure to use a smiley. And why
wasn't it used? The offender was used to people in several other
groups always knowing when he was joking, so he instinctively never
put one on the end.
Toon
<mca...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>> People spend lots of time in useless discussions, arguments, and
>> activities - and still manage to make enough money to live well - just
>> look at the preachers - for instance. When you talk about losers - use a
>> singular pronoun - the rest of us do not belong.
>
>If I cannot attack Toon, because that is your restricted domain, can I
>attack you? For your nonsensical opinions, you know. 8>) <---
Perhaps we should not attack anyone, but try and embrace our
differences and try to see why the other sees things their way?
Or maybe just not assume general assumptions apply to everyone.
Toon
<gammanormi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Looks to me that she's pleased but not completely satisfy. I think that
>she wasn't very happy that Lily was cut from the Pensieve scene in OotP.
Probably not, but she understands sacrifices of story must be made,
and anything that's not vital to the specific story and can be
explained later, or dropped entirely must go. Harry can see that same
scene again, see it extended to include Lily, and thus know about
Snape's love for his mom. Not seeing it in OOP does not take anything
away from the OOP story, and can still be done in DH (though maybe at
the cost of another scene).
Thom Madura
I don't express my nonsesical(?) opinions here.
Thom Madura
It helps if the money is yours though!!!
Richard Eney
santosh <santo...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Whenever I read a book, including fanfiction, the picture I form of the
>characters involved is constructed from their descriptions in the book.
>If the descriptions are lacking or insufficient I form my own "custom"
>picture. For often read fiction like say HP, I have "stock" pictures of
>most characters like Harry, Hermione and others that I can
>mentally "drop in" when the book itself does not have sufficient visual
>descriptions. They are quite different from Radcliffe, Watson and Grint
>since they were formed and cemented in my mind many years before I saw
>the films.
<snip>
>I make significant efforts to "forget" Radcliffe and Grint after
>watching the films. I do like Watson's image of Hermione better though,
>but not my much.
For me it's the other way around. I rather like Grint's image for
Ron, Radcliffe isn't bad though I do give him green eyes, but I prefer
my original image of Hermione.
Having recently watched "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves", I now have a
younger image for Snape in his DE days. :-) I suspect that may even
have been the one JKR was thinking of when (I believe) she said she
more or less wrote the role for Rickman.
=Tamar
Sirius Kase
> Thom Madura escribió:
>
>
>
> > Yellow wrote:
> >>> Yellow wrote:
Which is cooler? Coins? Currency? Stock Certificates? And must you
keep your money in the refrigerator? Or is it just naturally cool?
Sirius Kase
> In article <mcardle-21CC7F.12343412022...@freenews.ozemail.com.au>,
> Edward McArdle <mcar...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article <47b08a52$0$7880$607ed...@cv.net>,
To pick on Toon? I rather be in the rowling in money group. There
aren't any HP lines to wait in at this time. Besides, money might not
be the most important thing in the world, but having it is more fun
than not.
Green-Eyed Chris
<e91f88c5-dddc-44f6...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Sirius Kase <Siriu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. There's nothing like chilled gold coin on a hot summer day.
Edward's posting, however, was not addressed to Toon. There's no fun in
picking on him. He thrives on it.
--
Chris
Thom Madura
Wow - those questions have so many levels of complexity!!!!
Obviously - coins can retain their coolness far longer than a piece of
paper - and they can get cool from ice, cold liquids, (etc) without
getting damaged. The only problem is the denominations are pretty low -
so I prefer vintage $5, $10, and $20 gold pieces.
Toon
You need frozen assess to keep em cool.
Louis Epstein
: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 03:46:12 -0800 (PST), Tweedle Dee
: <k.v...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
:
:>What do you think of Roy's idea of there being six million versions of
:>the film (corresponding to each reader of the book), and how by making
:>the movie, the film-maker extinguishes and appropriates all those
:>versions.
: Most People are unimaginative boobs. They adopt the movie version so
: they don't have to use their own creativity. I rarely incorporate
: movies into books. Oh sure, I might use the actor as a general basis,
: but it's 90% all me. I still used my visions of the trio et al and
: not Dan, Emma, and Rupert.
:
: It's gotten so bad, the video game versions have molded the characters
: off the actor, because that's how everybody sees them anyway, they
: said.
:
I draw mentally on the early Grandpre depictions of Harry,
before Warner Brothers bought her copyrights and she began
to draw him more like Daniel Radcliffe...
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
: On Feb 9, 4:29?pm, Lyle Francis Delp <Ld...@nystpen.gov> wrote:
:> On 2008-02-09 05:40:58 -0500, Tweedle Dee <k.va...@yahoo.co.uk> said:
:>
:>
:> > Just read an interview with writer Arundhati Roy. On being asked
:> > I wonder what J. K. Rowling felt when she saw actors play Harry, Ron,
:> > Hermione, DD (especially DD - he was portrayed so differently from the
:> > books in PoA, GoF and OOTP).
:> > -Cheers,
:>
:> > TD
:>
:> I believe that she has made it clear. ?She was
:> thrilled to see her characters brought to life and
:> has stated as much in interviews. ?I'm prepared
:> to take her at her word.
:
: What do you think of Roy's idea of there being six million versions of
: the film (corresponding to each reader of the book), and how by making
: the movie, the film-maker extinguishes and appropriates all those
: versions.
:
: the same argument. So the "decentralised democracy" of a billion has
: been converted to a dictatorship of one :-)
I believe that an original creator (be it novelist,screenwriter,
or playwright) is entitled to "dictatorship"...I try hard not to
read into anything what I believe the writer did not intend,and
try to write things that people will not misinterpret.
An adaptation however is obligated to be as faithful to the original
source material as possible,or it pollutes the minds of whoever encounters
it.
: There is some truth to this argument, I have to say. Nowadays, when I
: read any of the HP books, and I see Hermione speak to Harry or Ron,
: the image that flashes in my mind is that of Emma Watson. I can't help
: that. Same with Harry and Ron. Interestingly, when I read DD speak, I
: see him in my mind quite different from the DD in the books.
I shudder to think of all the people whose visions of The Lord of
the Ringsd have been violated by Peter Jackson.
: Cheers,
:
: TD
Louis Epstein
: On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:27:05 -0800 (PST), Sirius Kase
: <Siriu...@gmail.com> wrote:
:
:>On Feb 11, 10:41?pm, Drusilla <gammanormidsERASET...@gmail.com> wrote:
:>> Thom Madura escribi?:
:>>
:>>
But do people generally keep cool heads when they learn that
their assets have been frozen?
Louis Epstein
: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:40:10 +0100, Green-Eyed Chris
Vehry Interestink.
Deevo
news:b8CdnYwEsbN2M3TV...@velocitywest.net...
<snip>
> I draw mentally on the early Grandpre depictions of Harry,
> before Warner Brothers bought her copyrights and she began
> to draw him more like Daniel Radcliffe...
As I was introduced to HP through watching the first film on a whim, I
always considered it a kid's fad before that, I find it difficult not to
envision the characters as the actors, at least in the early works. As the
films diverged, character wise, from the books in COS and most noticibly in
POA I began to think of the book characters as seperate from their filmic
counterparts though I always thought of them as visually similar. The
Grandpre illustrations never sat right with me anyway, they always felt like
something a child would have drawn.
--
Deevo
Geraldton Western Australia
http://members.westnet.com.au/mckenzie/index.htm
BubblyBabs
"Deevo" <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Louis Epstein" <l...@main.put.com> wrote in message
> news:b8CdnYwEsbN2M3TV...@velocitywest.net...
> <snip>
>> I draw mentally on the early Grandpre depictions of Harry,
>> before Warner Brothers bought her copyrights and she began
>> to draw him more like Daniel Radcliffe...
>
> As I was introduced to HP through watching the first film on a whim, I
> always considered it a kid's fad before that, I find it difficult not to
> envision the characters as the actors, at least in the early works.
Same here...
> As the films diverged, character wise, from the books in COS and most
> noticibly in POA I began to think of the book characters as seperate from
> their filmic counterparts though I always thought of them as visually
> similar.
Same here...
> The Grandpre illustrations never sat right with me anyway, they always
> felt like something a child would have drawn.
I agree... I often wondered why such a big deal was made about her images
in the books... Nothing special about them at all...
Babs
Barry Gray
"Deevo" <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
I think of the HP films as I think of Morse on tv: "based upon
characters created by...." I saw them at the cinema and have them on
video but have watched each video probably no more than a couple of
times. But I have read each book many times, and have never seen Harry
as looking like Daniel Radcliffe.
As has been said in other postings in other threads, when you read a
work of fiction, particularly one set in a parallel universe, your own
imagination plays a vital role. Illustrations can often help, but only
if they do not stifle your imagination: the very simplest
illustrations are the best. C S Lewis put this a lot better, more than
sixty years ago.
--
Barry Gray
http://www.barrygray.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Louis Epstein
: In message <KJOdnZAotqF...@westnet.com.au>
I believe that only the detailed images in the head of the writer
can be "correct".A reader must strive not to "get it wrong" and a
writer must strive to leave as little room as possible for a reader
to get it wrong.
I realize some disagree but I am uncomfortable reading in that
context and would not wish to write in it.
DaveD
"BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com> wrote in message
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Same here - I don't understand it. Though I also dislike the UK children's
book covers too... grumble, whinge...
When I read the books, I usually hear the characters voices and see them in
my mind's eye. The exception is obviously Dd, where sometimes Michael Gambon
intrudes, and I have to reread the paragraph to remind myself how Richard
Harris would have sounded, particularly in the later books. It's curious
(and annoying!) how gradually Gambon intrudes more in HBP and DH, except in
the King's Cross scene where he doesn't stand a chance, it's pure Harris - I
guess I'm Harris's man, through and through :)
Bellatrix changed a bit once I'd seen her in OotP, but (probably contrary to
most people's views?) Helena Bonham Carter (over)acts it wonderfully - my
mental images of the character immediately incorporated HBC as a great
improvement on my own interpretation!
DaveD
Louis Epstein
:
: "BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com> wrote in message
They were what I was first given to work with.
I don't think them artistically fantastic...but
they gibe better with my mind than Daniel Radcliffe's
face and especially his smile.
: When I read the books, I usually hear the characters voices and see them in
: my mind's eye. The exception is obviously Dd, where sometimes Michael Gambon
: intrudes, and I have to reread the paragraph to remind myself how Richard
: Harris would have sounded, particularly in the later books. It's curious
: (and annoying!) how gradually Gambon intrudes more in HBP and DH, except in
: the King's Cross scene where he doesn't stand a chance, it's pure Harris - I
: guess I'm Harris's man, through and through :)
:
: Bellatrix changed a bit once I'd seen her in OotP, but (probably contrary to
: most people's views?) Helena Bonham Carter (over)acts it wonderfully - my
: mental images of the character immediately incorporated HBC as a great
: improvement on my own interpretation!
:
: DaveD
Bellatrix is Carolyn-Jones-as-Morticia-Addams,gone nutso...full stop.
Deevo
<snip>
> Bellatrix is Carolyn-Jones-as-Morticia-Addams,gone nutso...full stop.
Agreed, though Anjelica Huston's version was a close runner up.
Deevo
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<snip>
> Same here - I don't understand it. Though I also dislike the UK children's
> book covers too... grumble, whinge...
I find them preferable to the US covers.
> When I read the books, I usually hear the characters voices and see them
> in my mind's eye. The exception is obviously Dd, where sometimes Michael
> Gambon intrudes, and I have to reread the paragraph to remind myself how
> Richard Harris would have sounded, particularly in the later books. It's
> curious (and annoying!) how gradually Gambon intrudes more in HBP and DH,
> except in the King's Cross scene where he doesn't stand a chance, it's
> pure Harris - I guess I'm Harris's man, through and through :)
I know what you mean though I do feel he redeemed the filmic role at least
to some extent in OOTP. The question for me was were his previous poor
performances the result of poor acting or poor direction?
> Bellatrix changed a bit once I'd seen her in OotP, but (probably contrary
> to most people's views?) Helena Bonham Carter (over)acts it wonderfully -
> my mental images of the character immediately incorporated HBC as a great
> improvement on my own interpretation!
To be frank I never really found her character plausable in either the books
or the movies, I didn't feel someone that unstable would have been able to
survive and rise so high as a Death Eater.
Welsh Dog
<mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
>"Louis Epstein" <l...@main.put.com> wrote in message
>news:pISdnRuSU9BjEmzV...@velocitywest.net...
><snip>
>> Bellatrix is Carolyn-Jones-as-Morticia-Addams,gone nutso...full stop.
>Agreed, though Anjelica Huston's version was a close runner up.
My kids were watching the Addams Family films a week or two ago so I
downloaded the TV series... now they're hooked :)
But Morticia was never 'evil'... just weird. Bellatrix is more like
Maggie Thatcher would have been if she ever became Prime Minister...
oh... hmmm.
Welshdog
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Deevo
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> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:27:46 +0800, "Deevo"
> <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
>>"Louis Epstein" <l...@main.put.com> wrote in message
>>news:pISdnRuSU9BjEmzV...@velocitywest.net...
>
>><snip>
>
>>> Bellatrix is Carolyn-Jones-as-Morticia-Addams,gone nutso...full stop.
>
>>Agreed, though Anjelica Huston's version was a close runner up.
>
> My kids were watching the Addams Family films a week or two ago so I
> downloaded the TV series... now they're hooked :)
Some years back when one of the local stations were really struggling in a
timeslot held by what was then a credable and popular Current Affairs show
they decided to show repeats of the Addams Family. It turned out to be a
ratings winner and turned said Current Affairs show into a showboating
tabloid show in an effort to recover audiences.
> But Morticia was never 'evil'... just weird. Bellatrix is more like
> Maggie Thatcher would have been if she ever became Prime Minister...
> oh... hmmm.
With hair that could have deflected an Avada Kedavra. :)
BubblyBabs
> books or the movies, I didn't feel someone that unstable would have been
> able to survive and rise so high as a Death Eater.
My question is why Lucius was punished so severely for Bella's screwing
things up in the MoM...
Babs
Louis Epstein
: "Welsh Dog" <wels...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Now you have me thinking of Cousin Itt as a Death Eater...!
(I've also seen Felix Silla play a BALD character).
Welsh Dog
wrote:
>Deevo <mcke...@nospammidwest.com.au> wrote:
>: "Welsh Dog" <wels...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>: news:crt4f4h031v9prhcr...@4ax.com...
>:> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:27:46 +0800, "Deevo"
>:> <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
>:>>"Louis Epstein" <l...@main.put.com> wrote in message
>:>>news:pISdnRuSU9BjEmzV...@velocitywest.net...
<snip>
>:> But Morticia was never 'evil'... just weird. Bellatrix is more like
>:> Maggie Thatcher would have been if she ever became Prime Minister...
>:> oh... hmmm.
>: With hair that could have deflected an Avada Kedavra. :)
>Now you have me thinking of Cousin Itt as a Death Eater...!
>(I've also seen Felix Silla play a BALD character).
Hey... if they painted 'Thing' silver he could do stunt work as
Wormtail's hand!!
BubblyBabs
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:11:54 -0500, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com>
> wrote:
>>Deevo <mcke...@nospammidwest.com.au> wrote:
>>: "Welsh Dog" <wels...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>: news:crt4f4h031v9prhcr...@4ax.com...
>>:> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:27:46 +0800, "Deevo"
>>:> <mcke...@NOSPAMmidwest.com.au> wrote:
>>:>>"Louis Epstein" <l...@main.put.com> wrote in message
>>:>>news:pISdnRuSU9BjEmzV...@velocitywest.net...
>
> <snip>
>
>>:> But Morticia was never 'evil'... just weird. Bellatrix is more like
>>:> Maggie Thatcher would have been if she ever became Prime Minister...
>>:> oh... hmmm.
>
>>: With hair that could have deflected an Avada Kedavra. :)
>
>>Now you have me thinking of Cousin Itt as a Death Eater...!
>
>>(I've also seen Felix Silla play a BALD character).
>
> Hey... if they painted 'Thing' silver he could do stunt work as
> Wormtail's hand!!
>
> Welshdog
heh, good one...
Babs
DaveD
> "DaveD" <dav...@DELETETHISBITgmx.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:gcqvss$gjr$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> <snip>
>> Same here - I don't understand it. Though I also dislike the UK
>> children's book covers too... grumble, whinge...
>
> I find them preferable to the US covers.
>
>> When I read the books, I usually hear the characters voices and see them
>> in my mind's eye. The exception is obviously Dd, where sometimes Michael
>> Gambon intrudes, and I have to reread the paragraph to remind myself how
>> Richard Harris would have sounded, particularly in the later books. It's
>> curious (and annoying!) how gradually Gambon intrudes more in HBP and DH,
>> except in the King's Cross scene where he doesn't stand a chance, it's
>> pure Harris - I guess I'm Harris's man, through and through :)
>
> I know what you mean though I do feel he redeemed the filmic role at least
> to some extent in OOTP. The question for me was were his previous poor
> performances the result of poor acting or poor direction?
It's almost as if he'd finally decided to read the books! That or the new
director took a much different approach much closer to the books.
>> Bellatrix changed a bit once I'd seen her in OotP, but (probably contrary
>> to most people's views?) Helena Bonham Carter (over)acts it wonderfully -
>> my mental images of the character immediately incorporated HBC as a great
>> improvement on my own interpretation!
>
> To be frank I never really found her character plausable in either the
> books or the movies, I didn't feel someone that unstable would have been
> able to survive and rise so high as a Death Eater.
Perhaps - but then, lots of things were implausible. I liked her
instability, which partly explained why she supported Voldy so much (others
did it from fear or to be in with the biggest bully around, she did it
because she liked - lurved!! - what he did and what he was like. And I think
quite a few major criminals have been fairly unstable, in the UK anyway!
DaveD
Drusilla
If you mean OotP, he was in charge. So, he let the kids escape and
destroy the Prophecy. Also, he allowed the Phoenixes to catch everyone
of his team but Bella. Bella, stunned to Aurors and killed a good guy,
and somehow, she managed to lead Harry to LV. Bella did a better job.
(And, she does other kind of tasks ;) )
BubblyBabs
"Drusilla" <gammanormi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ich on the thought of Bella's other tasks....
Hmmm, she still screwed things up... I guess V only got her version of the
story though since Lucius was put in Azkaban before he was able to give a
formal report...
I still don't like how the Malfoy family was brought down into the mud, how
Lucius was doing stuff just so his family would not be harmed... I know it
was to show how awful V was but it still didn't seem right...
Babs
Drusilla
> "Drusilla" <gammanormi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:geb6k7$elq$1...@aioe.org...
>> BubblyBabs escribió:
>>>> To be frank I never really found her character plausable in either the
>>>> books or the movies, I didn't feel someone that unstable would have been
>>>> able to survive and rise so high as a Death Eater.
>>> My question is why Lucius was punished so severely for Bella's screwing
>>> things up in the MoM...
>>> Babs
>> If you mean OotP, he was in charge. So, he let the kids escape and destroy
>> the Prophecy. Also, he allowed the Phoenixes to catch everyone of his team
>> but Bella. Bella, stunned to Aurors and killed a good guy, and somehow,
>> she managed to lead Harry to LV. Bella did a better job. (And, she does
>> other kind of tasks ;) )
>>
>
> Ich on the thought of Bella's other tasks....
ŹŹ
> Hmmm, she still screwed things up... I guess V only got her version of the
> story though since Lucius was put in Azkaban before he was able to give a
> formal report...
I don't think they even had the chance teo report anything. LV arrived
and saw Bella with Potter alone. Good Bella, brought the kid to me,
while the others were being arrested. He SAW that, he didn't need any
more explanations nor excuses.
> I still don't like how the Malfoy family was brought down into the mud, how
> Lucius was doing stuff just so his family would not be harmed... I know it
> was to show how awful V was but it still didn't seem right...
Malfoy and the others had already done something bad: they didn't look
for LV nor tried to help him like Peter did and LV felt betrayed an
abandoned (oh, the little emo). All of their actions in book 5, 6 and 7
were meant to prove themselves worthy of LV's trust again. And they
failed and their troops were once more diminished. At least Draco did
managed something right: the next group send in mission got inside
Hogwarts and killed DD (or so LV thought). Bella never 'betrayed' LV,
she was imprisoned because of him, she didn't need to prove her loyalty
as much as Malfoy and the others did.
Toon
<gammanormi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Malfoy and the others had already done something bad: they didn't look
>for LV nor tried to help him like Peter did and LV felt betrayed an
>abandoned (oh, the little emo).
Tommy does put the emo in Voldemort. Myabe it was his tendencies to
torture his troops upon failure? Or lousy health care and pension
plan? He is funny that way. Nobody likes me. Nobody's loyal to me.
Everybody thinks I'm weaker than a baby. Daddy, why won't you love
me?
> All of their actions in book 5, 6 and 7
>were meant to prove themselves worthy of LV's trust again. And they
>failed and their troops were once more diminished. At least Draco did
>managed something right: the next group send in mission got inside
>Hogwarts and killed DD (or so LV thought).
No, no, he got killed.
> Bella never 'betrayed' LV,
>she was imprisoned because of him, she didn't need to prove her loyalty
>as much as Malfoy and the others did.
She never betrayed, but she failed miserably at the MOM, and was
hurting for it, by losing favor with Big V.
DaveD
"BubblyBabs" <n...@fractalfairy.com> wrote in message
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Also, it seems to have been Voldy's basic management style - scare them into
doing what he wanted, including using them to beat each other up physically
(as when he made Draco crucio people) and emotionally (with the way he
mocked the Malfoys and made everyone else join in). That way, they all think
"there but for the grace of - Voldy??? - go I" and pick on the weakest to
keep them down and make themselves feel a little safer. For now...
In some ways, it's the most human side we get to see of the Malfoys -
particularly Narcissa who only cares about Draco at the end.
DaveD
Drusilla
In a way, all of what they did could have been because of Draco. They
wanted a "better world" for their son. But LV wasn't what they expected.
They were loyal, and still, he punished them hard, and had no
considerations towards them. Narcissa figured it out first.