Is Al-Qaeda Flying These UFOs?
Johnnie In The Billows
in Shropshire should be enough to prompt a formal inquiry into
Britain's airspace security.
"Nick Pope, who used to work for the Ministry of Defence's UFO
project, has viewed recent footage filmed by a soldier at the Tern
Hill barracks and said 'it's all getting very interesting'.
"It follows a series of UFO sightings across Wales last week. ..."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080625/tuk-ufo-sighting-security-probe-needed-45dbed5.html
We must seriously consider whether al-Qaeda is behind this latest
outbreak. At the very least they may be in league with the Jarts from
Planet Zeta in a plan to subvert the Free World and fly a Mexican Hat
Wave over the stadia of the Beautiful Game.
And those Welsh buggers too ...
FACE
uk.politics.misc on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) :
That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
aracari
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:21:51 -0400 'FACE'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
Classic British understatement:
"I've seen another video which showed a craft with a diameter of,
I would estimate, several hundred metres, hanging silently over
people's heads," he said.
"It was a clear breach of UK air security."
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> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:21:51 -0400 'FACE'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>
> >uk.politics.misc on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) :
>
> >>"A UFO expert says the latest reported sighting over a military base
> >>in Shropshire should be enough to prompt a formal inquiry into
> >>Britain's airspace security.
>
> >>"Nick Pope, who used to work for the Ministry of Defence's UFO
> >>project, has viewed recent footage filmed by a soldier at the Tern
> >>Hill barracks and said 'it's all getting very interesting'.
>
> >>"It follows a series of UFO sightings across Wales last week. ..."
>
>
> >>We must seriously consider whether al-Qaeda is behind this latest
> >>outbreak. At the very least they may be in league with the Jarts from
> >>Planet Zeta in a plan to subvert the Free World and fly a Mexican Hat
> >>Wave over the stadia of the Beautiful Game.
>
> >>And those Welsh buggers too ...
Teh COVRUP has already begun!1!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7471724.stm
> >That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
>
> Classic British understatement:
>
> "I've seen another video which showed a craft with a diameter of,
> I would estimate, several hundred metres, hanging silently over
> people's heads," he said.
>
> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6740247.stm
"He added finally that, "should a UFO arrive at RAF Brawdy we will
charge normal landing fees and inform you immediately"."
aracari
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:46:40 -0700 (PDT) 'parr...@yahoo.com'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
And doubtless ask the occupants to go through Immigration/Customs.
Baldoni
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:21:51 -0400 'FACE'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>> From Johnnie In The Billows <bright...@yahoo.co.uk>, in
>> uk.politics.misc on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) :
>>
>>> "A UFO expert says the latest reported sighting over a military base
>>> in Shropshire should be enough to prompt a formal inquiry into
>>> Britain's airspace security.
>>>
>>> "Nick Pope, who used to work for the Ministry of Defence's UFO
>>> project, has viewed recent footage filmed by a soldier at the Tern
>>> Hill barracks and said 'it's all getting very interesting'.
>>>
>>> "It follows a series of UFO sightings across Wales last week. ..."
>>>
>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080625/tuk-ufo-sighting-security-probe-needed-45dbed5.html
>>>
>>> We must seriously consider whether al-Qaeda is behind this latest
>>> outbreak. At the very least they may be in league with the Jarts from
>>> Planet Zeta in a plan to subvert the Free World and fly a Mexican Hat
>>> Wave over the stadia of the Beautiful Game.
>>>
>>> And those Welsh buggers too ...
>>
>>
>> That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
>
>
> Classic British understatement:
>
> "I've seen another video which showed a craft with a diameter of,
> I would estimate, several hundred metres, hanging silently over
> people's heads," he said.
>
> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
I take it then that these objects are being picked up on our expensive
radar and early warning system ?
--
Count Baldoni
FACE
<spam...@vailable.here.com>, wrote
It's only right. Besides, lessons will be learnt.
FACE
aracari
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:43:29 +0100 'Baldoni'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
Either that or by cameras with special filters on...
aracari
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:33:33 -0400 'FACE'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
Welcome to govt, British style. That huge salaries are paid to
people to learn the lessons *before* a calamity arises gets lost
as they climb aboard the gravytrain.
Blue
>>> That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
>> Classic British understatement:
>>
>> "I've seen another video which showed a craft with a diameter of,
>> I would estimate, several hundred metres, hanging silently over
>> people's heads," he said.
>>
>> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6740247.stm
They should fall foul of health and safety.
aracari
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:27:20 +0100 'Blue'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
That would drag in the whole NooLab Govt ;-)
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
No comment on the possibility it was a new military UAV being tested, I
assume?
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Remote Viewing classes in London
DaveD
"Johnnie In The Billows" <bright...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Looks like the Quibbler's finally got a connection to Usenet :)
DaveD
Lyle Francis Delp
<dav...@DELETETHISBITblueyonder.co.uk> said:
LOL
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"Yeah, Lyle Francis Delp! Ya wanna make sumthin outtavit?"
Toon
Wish I could piggyback it. Stupid Andrew Cuomo telling me where I can
and can't go online. This is America, not China. Check your flag,
you idiot. You've forgotten which country you're in again.
Lyle Francis Delp
Cuomo? That trusty little liberal? I thought being "for
the little guy" would put him squarely in favor of
individual freedom.
Gosh. Guess I was wrong.
John VanSickle
SOUL if you don't keep your tin-foil hat properly adjusted.
Regards,
John
Johnnie In The Billows
wrote:
I'll keep my gold-leaf underpants buttoned up, then!!!!!!
Johnnie In The Billows
> From Johnnie In The Billows <brightice2...@yahoo.co.uk>, in
> uk.politics.misc on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) :
>
>
>
>
>
> >"A UFO expert says the latest reported sighting over a military base
> >in Shropshire should be enough to prompt a formal inquiry into
> >Britain's airspace security.
>
> >"Nick Pope, who used to work for the Ministry of Defence's UFO
> >project, has viewed recent footage filmed by a soldier at the Tern
> >Hill barracks and said 'it's all getting very interesting'.
>
> >"It follows a series of UFO sightings across Wales last week. ..."
>
>
> >We must seriously consider whether al-Qaeda is behind this latest
> >outbreak. At the very least they may be in league with the Jarts from
> >Planet Zeta in a plan to subvert the Free World and fly a Mexican Hat
> >Wave over the stadia of the Beautiful Game.
>
> >And those Welsh buggers too ...
>
> That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
Their wicks are too bent!!!!
parr...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I don't think even the RAF have reached such a low level of funding
that they'd be using paper and wood lanterns as UAVs...
>
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>
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
A lot of good, clear, UFO sightings in the past have been played down or
ridiculed by the authorities (esp in USA) because what was seen was
secret military hardware.
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http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
parr...@yahoo.com
Do you have any cites? - I believe a lot of the "cigar shape" UFO
sightings of the 60's were later found to have most likely been U2s
under test (they'd be about 20,000 feet higher than commercial traffic
and the sunlight reflecting off thos huge-span wings made it look like
a cylinder)
As far as I am aware, the USAF isn't in the habit of ridiculing
saucerheads officially, they just make plausibly deniable statements
like "we can confirm no known US aircraft was in the
area" (technically correct if it's something secret) or just refuse
to comment. When they DO comment (i.e. pointing out that Roswell was a
weather balloon) they loonies tend to hop up and down and scream
"coverup!"
I have always been fascinated by UFOs, but the evidence is very, very
shaky, so I've become more fascinated with whatever part of human
nature it is that makes us tell stories about aliens, demons or ghosts
etc. The only case that I find really compelling is the Belgian UFO
flap of the early 90s (?). My personal opinion on that one is that
some of the radar data was misinterpreted (or intefered with) and what
people saw was some secret craft under test. Though why they'd test it
over one of teh more corwded bits of Europe I don't know.
>
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> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UK
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Triangular UFOs in the 1980s, which looked just like the B2 stealth
bomber. There are also numerous UAVs, some designed to pull incredibly
high G turns. Some aircraft also designed to operate silently.
> As far as I am aware, the USAF isn't in the habit of ridiculing
> saucerheads officially, they just make plausibly deniable statements
> like "we can confirm no known US aircraft was in the
> area" (technically correct if it's something secret) or just refuse
> to comment. When they DO comment (i.e. pointing out that Roswell was a
> weather balloon) they loonies tend to hop up and down and scream
> "coverup!"
>
> I have always been fascinated by UFOs, but the evidence is very, very
> shaky, so I've become more fascinated with whatever part of human
> nature it is that makes us tell stories about aliens, demons or ghosts
> etc. The only case that I find really compelling is the Belgian UFO
> flap of the early 90s (?). My personal opinion on that one is that
> some of the radar data was misinterpreted (or intefered with) and what
> people saw was some secret craft under test. Though why they'd test it
> over one of teh more corwded bits of Europe I don't know.
Depends who was doing the testing.
Do some reading of Vallee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee
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http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Robert S
If anything, the US military (and others with secret weapons programs)
are likely to covertly aid the UFO-myth.
It white-washes what they're doing, but in an idiotic and unbelievable
way (to most people, anyway).
> > I have always been fascinated by UFOs, but the evidence is very, very
> > shaky, so I've become more fascinated with whatever part of human
> > nature it is that makes us tell stories about aliens, demons or ghosts
> > etc. The only case that I find really compelling is the Belgian UFO
> > flap of the early 90s (?). My personal opinion on that one is that
> > some of the radar data was misinterpreted (or intefered with) and what
> > people saw was some secret craft under test. Though why they'd test it
> > over one of teh more corwded bits of Europe I don't know.
>
> Depends who was doing the testing.
> Do some reading of Vallee.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee
Multidimensional visitation hypothesis. Maybe he should look up
"Occam's Razer".
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
No, I meant the bit about Human staged hoaxes.
FACE
Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:48:42 +0100 :
"But in 1896 events turned up a notch: The world experienced its first great
explosion of sightings of unidentified flying objects. The beginning of the
UFO era can be dated from this year. Although sightings of UFOs had occurred
in earlier decades, they were sporadic and apparently rare. Also, these
earlier sightings did not come in the huge concentrations ("waves" in the
lingo of ufologists, "flaps" to the U.S. Air Force) that characterize much
of the UFO phenomenon between the 1890s and the 1990s."
http://science.howstuffworks.com/ufo-history4.htm
I believe there were quite a few in South America in the 1800s and before
too.
And some in england.
And elsewhere.
The "UFO" phenomenon has been around since before heavier than air aircraft.
I think there is a mixture of hoaxes, experimental aircraft, natural
occurrences misinterpreted.....and the unexplainable..........
FACE
parr...@yahoo.com
Cheers. I think he's putting the cart before the horse with his
"manipulation by humans" though - as I said above, I think the
tendency to see these things has always been within us.
re: Belgium - there is a classic photo of a triangular shape with a
light at each corner - is there more than one image, and if so, were
they taken by different photographers?
>
> --
> Dirk
>
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FACE
-0700 (PDT) :
>> Depends who was doing the testing.
>> Do some reading of Vallee.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee
>
>Cheers. I think he's putting the cart before the horse with his
>"manipulation by humans" though - as I said above, I think the
>tendency to see these things has always been within us.
>
>re: Belgium - there is a classic photo of a triangular shape with a
>light at each corner - is there more than one image, and if so, were
>they taken by different photographers?
Is this the classic photo? http://science.howstuffworks.com/ufo.htm
(about half way down the page)
FACE
Johnnie In The Billows
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:43:29 +0100 'Baldoni'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>
>
>
> >aracari explained on 25/06/2008 :
> >> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:21:51 -0400 'FACE'
> >> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
> >>> uk.politics.misc on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) :
>
> >>>> "A UFO expert says the latest reported sighting over a military base
> >>>> in Shropshire should be enough to prompt a formal inquiry into
> >>>> Britain's airspace security.
>
> >>>> "Nick Pope, who used to work for the Ministry of Defence's UFO
> >>>> project, has viewed recent footage filmed by a soldier at the Tern
> >>>> Hill barracks and said 'it's all getting very interesting'.
>
> >>>> "It follows a series of UFO sightings across Wales last week. ..."
>
>
> >>>> We must seriously consider whether al-Qaeda is behind this latest
> >>>> outbreak. At the very least they may be in league with the Jarts from
> >>>> Planet Zeta in a plan to subvert the Free World and fly a Mexican Hat
> >>>> Wave over the stadia of the Beautiful Game.
>
> >>>> And those Welsh buggers too ...
>
> >>> That's fallacious. No true Jart would align with Al Qaeda.
>
> >> Classic British understatement:
>
> >> "I've seen another video which showed a craft with a diameter of,
> >> I would estimate, several hundred metres, hanging silently over
> >> people's heads," he said.
>
> >> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
>
> >I take it then that these objects are being picked up on our expensive
> >radar and early warning system ?
>
> Either that or by cameras with special filters on...
>
> --
> socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
> you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.
I got a V2 up my asshole, and it killed me in the end!!!!!!!
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
In the late 90s (IIRC) I was having a look around Wright Patterson AFB,
and had a look at the Dark Star prototype. Edge on it looked just like
the bottom pic on that page. Of course, there's a 25 yr difference in
timescales, but I'm willing to bet similar airframes were being tried
about that time. BTW, Dark Star was a stealth UAV.
FFF
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Toon
And if it was real, what are the authorities to do? Say, "Oh yeah.
Aliens exist, are more powerful than us technologically. They can
abduct you from your home, do who knows what to you, wipe your memory,
return you, and we can't stop them"? Yeah, that won't cause panic and
mass rioting.
Voldemort was portrayed the same way, and you saw how the fear guided
people. Peter sold out his friends just to curry favor with him. Many
others became bounty hunters for hire to stay on his good side. Still
more did nothing out of fear. Evil wins when good men do nothing.
Toon
>When they DO comment (i.e. pointing out that Roswell was a
>weather balloon) they loonies tend to hop up and down and scream
>"coverup!"
But it wasn't a weather balloon. The Gov lied about it. Nuke
detector or alien ship, People saw what clearly wasn't a weather
balloon, the papers said the US had an alien ship, then the official
response is, "No we have no ship. Twas a weather balloon tis all."
And that (the second part at least) is still a lie. So yes, there was
a cover up. Just not necessarily the cover up people think it was
(and it could still be).
Of course, the main problem is, people are under the assumption aliens
want to make contact with us, and wouldn't operate in secret
themselves. Which, if it is aliens, they are most certainly doing
(and have been warning us about our destroying the environment for
decades).
FACE
Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:42:38 +0100 :
I remember the "Dark Star". Pretty much a saucer looking thing with
tailfins.
On the recent sighting, without going back to the source, i seem to remember
it was Croydon.... The picture that was in the paper really did look like
those lanterns, however, the policeman, along with numerous observers with
him, reported seeing a "craft" bounded by the lights. I wonder if there
were no pictures of that or if the guy just has a fertile
imagination.........
FACE
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
I was not allowed to take pics at the time, for obvious reasons. The one
I looked over was painted with a black radar absorbant paint. This one
is probably an official photo.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/uav/darkstar-005.jpg
--
FACE
Hmmm....different than I remembered. ;-)
FACE
Chris H
<dirk....@gmail.com> writes
>>>>> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6740247.stm
>>>> "He added finally that, "should a UFO arrive at RAF Brawdy we will
>>>> charge normal landing fees and inform you immediately"."
>>> No comment on the possibility it was a new military UAV being tested, I
>>> assume?
>> I don't think even the RAF have reached such a low level of funding
>> that they'd be using paper and wood lanterns as UAVs...
>
>A lot of good, clear, UFO sightings in the past have been played down
>or ridiculed by the authorities (esp in USA) because what was seen was
>secret military hardware.
No comment.... I was stationed at RAF Brawdy for a year.
We had all sorts of aircraft use the Castle Martin ranges. We had
aircraft from most of NATO in and out. Many of the aircraft were not
the normal ones on the base and therefor looked and sounded "strange"
The A10's especially as they were very new back in 1979.
We also had the 22 Rescue helicopters that went in and out at strange
hours that hovered and skimmed the cliffs and coast in general.
Then there was the Meteor and Vampire on VASAF that looked and sounded
strange compared to the Hunters and Hawks.
Once we also "bombed" the Fishguard ferry... the Hunter was doing a high
level dummy run (not even carrying bombs) on the Fishguard ferry leaving
harbour.
Captain and Harbourmaster both reported the aircraft bombed the ferry
with the bomb narrowly missing the ship. The aircraft was called,
told to return directly to base. It confirmed it was unarmed,
On landing the aircraft did not deploy the rear arrester parachute....
Pilot nearly went off the end of the runway.
It turned out on closer inspection that the arrester drogue and it's
holder were missing. We surmised that it had not been clipped in
properly and the high G turn when the hunter pulled out of the dive was
enough for it to come loose. Hence appearing like a bomb from the
aircraft...
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Baldoni
> In message <6cs5mlF...@mid.individual.net>, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> <dirk....@gmail.com> writes
>>>>>> "It was a clear breach of UK air security."
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/6740247.stm
>>>>> "He added finally that, "should a UFO arrive at RAF Brawdy we will
>>>>> charge normal landing fees and inform you immediately"."
>>>> No comment on the possibility it was a new military UAV being tested, I
>>>> assume?
>>> I don't think even the RAF have reached such a low level of funding
>>> that they'd be using paper and wood lanterns as UAVs...
>>
>>A lot of good, clear, UFO sightings in the past have been played down or
>> ridiculed by the authorities (esp in USA) because what was seen was secret
>> military hardware.
>
> No comment.... I was stationed at RAF Brawdy for a year.
>
> We had all sorts of aircraft use the Castle Martin ranges. We had aircraft
> from most of NATO in and out. Many of the aircraft were not the normal ones
> on the base and therefor looked and sounded "strange" The A10's especially as
> they were very new back in 1979.
Brawdy you say, was old "Stinker Harries" the Chief Tecccy still there.
He was always harking on about the German tank crews stationed further
along the coast.
Nasty bugger after he had been on the gin.
--
Count Baldoni
Chris H
<baldo...@gmail.com> writes
Jesse would like them as most of the Germans carried man-purses like
ladies purses. It would have confused him.
>Nasty bugger after he had been on the gin.
I have no such knowledge.... etc :-)
I was in the Gin Palace on the unit. Though we frequented the Pub in
Solva. On the right as you went in. It was perched on the top of the
cliffs over looking the sea. The other one was the Pub on Newgale
sands.
When I was there Cat used to fly the weather kite. .
Baldoni
A lovely part of the country. Near to RAF St Athan I spent a week
boxing training with a chap who had trained Charlie Magri. It was
owned by the National Association Of Boys Clubs, Frankie Vaughn was a
patron and I recall watching the 1978 match between Sweden v Brazil
when Clive Thomas disallowed a goal for Brazil as time was up as the
ball was airborn. The dorms in the boys club were of the old
corrogated arched metal variety.
--
Count Baldoni
parr...@yahoo.com
> > <baldoni...@gmail.com> writes
> >>Chris H used his keyboard to write :
> >>> <dirk.bru...@gmail.com> writes
Ah.. that wouldn't have been "Boy's Village" would it? In Aberthaw, in
the shadow of a bloody great power station? Just over the main road
from St Athan village and a couple of miles from the base.
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