Book News
Penelope
No, no, not that news, but news nonetheless.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/113041.html
Penelope
--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed" <poppy...@yahoo.com>
Will in New Haven
> No, no, not that news, but news nonetheless.
>
> http://grrm.livejournal.com/113041.html
>
> Penelope
What with editing and pre-publication work of various kinds, well you
are younger than I am. So you still have hope. I wouldn't be angry
except for "the book is so ling we are going to cut it in two and
publish the other half real soon now."
Well, I can always read the next volume of THE WAR AGAINST THE
CTHORR.
Oh, yeah, that's right. I can't.
--
Will in New Haven
Ben
> No, no, not that news, but news nonetheless.
>
> http://grrm.livejournal.com/113041.html
>
> Penelope
>
kissing from the posters on the blog. Not one, "About time!" or "How
many of these pages were written five years ago when you split the
book in half?" I know that Martin has thrown out anyone posting any
questions like these. It sure appears that he has whipped that group
into shape. I do wonder who feels like posting "Great work, George!"
is actually not completely wasting their time, but I guess that's just
me...
Ben
Will in New Haven
This is why the Blogoverse is so wimpy and weak. And it is why authors
like Martin don't come to the forum(s) on UseNet where their work is
discussed. Even the relatively tame Martin group has a few posters who
are sick of him and would tell him so <raises hand>
Obviously there are nutjobs and trolls on UseNet and the Blogoverse
allows you to get rid of them but it also allows you to avoid seeing
legitimate or debatable criticism more than once.
Ben
wrote:
>
> This is why the Blogoverse is so wimpy and weak. And it is why authors
> like Martin don't come to the forum(s) on UseNet where their work is
> discussed. Even the relatively tame Martin group has a few posters who
> are sick of him and would tell him so <raises hand>
>
> Obviously there are nutjobs and trolls on UseNet and the Blogoverse
> allows you to get rid of them but it also allows you to avoid seeing
> legitimate or debatable criticism more than once.
>
much you deserve it. But going from "I am trying my best to get this
out, please be patient" to "If you say anything negative about the
time it has taken, I will ban you from my glorious presence" is a
pretty heavy hand to take. I know it's tough to call this for someone
else, but I sincerely think I would listen up to the opinions of a
strong number of my fans in voicing their dissatisfaction. Speaks to
how far he has come from a hungry young author so many years ago.
Beyond that, though, what a bunch of wastes of oxygen those response
posters are for the most part! Why bother if you have nothing
intelligent to say? I have seen a lot of the responses to the "Not a
blog" over the years, and they are possibly the most vapid group I
have ever seen. Hard to believe they are intelligent enough to
understand the series. I get that Martin has culled anyone with a
strong opinion from the herd, but I sincerely think that if I ever
start posting, "Great job, George!" over a lukewarm memo saying that a
book supposedly finished five years ago is now 2/3 done, then I would
hope to be Chucky-danced to death...
Ben
Chucky & Janica
<bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>What with editing and pre-publication work of various kinds, well you
>are younger than I am. So you still have hope. I wouldn't be angry
>except for "the book is so ling we are going to cut it in two and
>publish the other half real soon now."
If only the book hadn't been so ling.
C&J
Chucky & Janica
<bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>This is why the Blogoverse is so wimpy and weak. And it is why authors
>like Martin don't come to the forum(s) on UseNet where their work is
>discussed. Even the relatively tame Martin group has a few posters who
>are sick of him and would tell him so <raises hand>
We find ourselves on the same side of the fence yet again.
>Obviously there are nutjobs and trolls on UseNet and the Blogoverse
>allows you to get rid of them but it also allows you to avoid seeing
>legitimate or debatable criticism more than once.
Heh, funnily enough I just discovered exactly the same thing about
Ctrl+Alt+Del creator Tim Buckley. I signed up for his web-comic's
forum a year ago or more, mainly to say that I'd just read the whole
archive in a couple of months, in a few hours'-worth of sittings. I
found his latest storyline too depressing and that it was a lot more
fun to read in months-long strings so the good mixes with the bad, and
that I would likely take a break for a few months in order to let the
fun come through.
So yeah, I got instantly perma-banned and my post deleted. I just
found out recently that he does this - and so do his board moderators
- with any and all negative feedback of any sort. Also that he is a
suspected kiddy-fiddler.
Heh.
So yeah, web boards are for fags.
C&J
Chucky & Janica
wrote:
>I sincerely think that if I ever
>start posting, "Great job, George!" over a lukewarm memo saying that a
>book supposedly finished five years ago is now 2/3 done, then I would
>hope to be Chucky-danced to death...
You have a deal.
I think we should go there under a variety of fake names. I have
multiple IP addresses at my disposal.
C&J
Ben
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 01:11:58 -0700 (PDT), Ben <frodolives11...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I sincerely think that if I ever
> >start posting, "Great job, George!" over a lukewarm memo saying that a
> >book supposedly finished five years ago is now 2/3 done, then I would
> >hope to be Chucky-danced to death...
>
> You have a deal.
>
> I think we should go there under a variety of fake names. I have
> multiple IP addresses at my disposal.
>
got all excited, especially since then he still talked about the book
being "just about done" back then. Also there certainly were some
discontented responders back then. I was reading through when he
declared that anyone posting negativity would be removed, a very harsh
post if I remember, and one that changed my perspective on him as a
man, though not so much as an author. Lots of prima donna authors that
I still enjoy reading (though I admit a few of them are dead...)
Ben
Chucky & Janica
<frodoli...@aol.com> wrote:
>Also there certainly were some
>discontented responders back then. I was reading through when he
>declared that anyone posting negativity would be removed, a very harsh
>post if I remember, and one that changed my perspective on him as a
>man, though not so much as an author.
Yeah, I guess it gets like that.
Talking about Jordan earlier, it's funny to note that he never paid
attention to the Internet ramblers - or at least he claimed he never
did. So their degenerating opinion of him probably didn't cause issues
and he never had to ban anyone from his blog. Indeed I don't think he
even had one.
His problem was just that he kept on slogging and slogging away
through a story that was getting tangled in slow-moving,
detail-overloaded plot threads, because he had to get it done. And in
the end he didn't.
I just hope Martin doesn't go the same way. And looking at his
reaction to criticism and his various side-projects, I'm hopeful of
his avoiding that.
>Lots of prima donna authors that
>I still enjoy reading (though I admit a few of them are dead...)
They flounced off the stage, metaphorically speaking, and are now in
the big trailer in the sky. Sipping champagne and staring moodily into
their makeup mirrors and muttering to themselves.
C&J
Ben
wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Ben
>
> attention to the Internet ramblers - or at least he claimed he never
> did. So their degenerating opinion of him probably didn't cause issues
> and he never had to ban anyone from his blog. Indeed I don't think he
> even had one.
>
a very spoiled response to kick them out as opposed to allowing the
sycophants to shout them down (as would probably happen). I've always
beleived that you take well-deserved criticism and listen. If somebody
is cursing you out and wishing you harm, all that, that is something
else, but the negativity that I saw on the blog was mostly "I think
it's BS that you told us the book would be out five years ago and even
now can't commit to a date". Harsh, but true, and if you can't listen
to that, you might as well be a middle-aged housewife asking "Does
this make my butt look fat?" Wrong answer (truthful or not) gets you a
date with the couch...
> His problem was just that he kept on slogging and slogging away
> through a story that was getting tangled in slow-moving,
> detail-overloaded plot threads, because he had to get it done. And in
> the end he didn't.
>
I followed the Wheel for the first five, then just couldn't sustain my
interest. Enjoyed it, but I am impatient enough to want SOME
resolution.
> I just hope Martin doesn't go the same way. And looking at his
> reaction to criticism and his various side-projects, I'm hopeful of
> his avoiding that.
>
I am as well. He certainly must know the criticism is out there, else
why block the bloggers?
> >Lots of prima donna authors that
> >I still enjoy reading (though I admit a few of them are dead...)
>
> They flounced off the stage, metaphorically speaking, and are now in
> the big trailer in the sky. Sipping champagne and staring moodily into
> their makeup mirrors and muttering to themselves.
>
Most of my faves would most likely be drinking tea and sitting in
their library, but I see your point. Then again few of my favorite
dead authors were around when being a prima donna and an author at the
same time was possible.
Ben
vecki
Ben wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:22 am, Chucky & Janica <janica.hin...@kolumbus.fi>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Ben
> >
> > Talking about Jordan earlier, it's funny to note that he never paid
> > attention to the Internet ramblers - or at least he claimed he never
> > did. So their degenerating opinion of him probably didn't cause issues
> > and he never had to ban anyone from his blog. Indeed I don't think he
> > even had one.
Thought I'd already replied, in fact I'm sure I had typed up a nice
long response, but must have accidentally canned it without posting.
Ah the joys of posting from work.
He did have a blog on Dragonmount, although I'm sure the mods there
would never have allowed any negativity through, especially once RJ's
health started heading south. He talked about his writing progress,
answered questions, and gave health updates. It was still being
updated (infrequently) by Harriet and Wilson the 'brother/cousin', but
the last post was a year ago now.
> >
> Martin clearly does take it to heart, which I am okay with. It's just
> a very spoiled response to kick them out as opposed to allowing the
> sycophants to shout them down (as would probably happen). I've always
> beleived that you take well-deserved criticism and listen. If somebody
> is cursing you out and wishing you harm, all that, that is something
> else, but the negativity that I saw on the blog was mostly "I think
> it's BS that you told us the book would be out five years ago and even
> now can't commit to a date". Harsh, but true, and if you can't listen
> to that, you might as well be a middle-aged housewife asking "Does
> this make my butt look fat?" Wrong answer (truthful or not) gets you a
> date with the couch...
As much as I like to bitch and moan about the slow arrival of this
book (heck, RJ's dead and his book is still coming out faster than
GRRMs - that's an achievement), unlike said housewife, GRRM's NOT
asking if his arse looks big in those jeans. And I'm sure he knows
the book is late, I think that same bitching is one of the reasons
he's stopped even putting out speculative dates, because every time
the date passes.... WAH WAH WAH WHERE'S OUR BOOK.
>
>
> > His problem was just that he kept on slogging and slogging away
> > through a story that was getting tangled in slow-moving,
> > detail-overloaded plot threads, because he had to get it done. And in
> > the end he didn't.
> >
> I followed the Wheel for the first five, then just couldn't sustain my
> interest. Enjoyed it, but I am impatient enough to want SOME
> resolution.
You'd be pleased to hear that as of book 11, some resolution actually
started occurring.
~*~
vecki