Xydexx rec's "Threat of Violence?" Judge for yourself.
Hangdog
notable liar her on a.f.f: Karl Jorgenson, aka Xydexx.
For some time now, Karl's been alluding to a "threat of violence"
he supposedly received from a Burned Fur member. I have been
asked to post the full text of the exchange in which this "threat" was
made. Read it, and judge for yourself whether the truth is in Mr.
Jorgenson. For my part, I believe he's full of...well...hot air.
http://x5.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?
AN=419472939&CONTEXT=92479
9091.2004942860&hitnum=2
********
Re: OOPS! (Was: Kook Page?) Author: videocube
<vide...@my-dejanews.com>
Date: 1998/12/07
Forum: dejanews.members.ent.videocube.burned-fur
In article <74eorr$u99$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
peter...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <74doh2$5no$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> vide...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > Like I said, the page's purpose is not to annoy Xydexx. It's to >
> inform others so they'll know what to expect if they run across
> > him. But if anyone thinks the page isn't serving its intended
> > purpose, let me know. Of course, if I ever run into him at a con,
> > I'll put his fucking head through a wall.
>
> I assume you're speaking metaphorically, of course. If you are, I
>agree*. But I also assume that, if Pony Boy greps this post, he will
>trumpet your words far and wide as an example of how Burned Fur is "a
>violent group."
>
> *While I don't think you're speaking literally, I feel I have to say
>that if you *are*, this would be a bad thing to do. Entirely aside
>from the wrongness of physical force in this situation, you don't
>want to make your oppenent a martyr. Besides, is it really worth
>going to jail just to give him his comeuppance?
I apologize for raising such concerns, Hangdog. This hasn't been
an easy week for me. I was extremely upset when I wrote that,
and I honestly didn't care what I said to anyone. My patience
had run out, and for the first time, I truly lost my temper.
I can assure you that I have no actual desire to inflict physical
violence upon anyone or ruin any perfectly good walls. In the
future, I'll try not to let my fustrations get the best of me.
Clint Forrester
vide...@mindspring.com
-== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Xydexx Squeakypony
1. Clint Forrester threatened me with violence. This is
a matter of public record. No amount of apologies from
him should allow Hangdog to rewrite history and pretend
it didn't happen.
2. Clint Forrester only apologized _after_ Hangdog said
it would make Burned Fur look bad, which looks an
awful lot like some pretty hasty PR work to me.
3. Upon hearing about Clint Forrester's threats of violence
against me, GothTiger (Michael Campbell), joked about
selling tickets to the event, and commented how he would
LOVE to see it happen:
http://www.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=419334074
"I would like nothing better in the world than to watch
mister too-many-consonants get what's coming to him."
---GothTiger
Does Burned Fur support violence? That's not the issue.
I think the real issue here is:
ARE THESE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT REPRESENTING BURNED FUR?
Burned Fur wouldn't be struggling for support if it weren't
for extremists like these guys. Maybe it's time Burned Furs
need to seriously ask themselves who they'd rather be
associated with: Reasonable folks like Darrel Exline who
actually want to improve things in this fandom, or folks
like Hangdog and GothTiger who just want to continue
swamping alt.fan.furry with flames?
MODERATE BURNED FURS --- START YOUR OWN GROUP!
What On Earth Are You Waiting For?
____________________________________________________________
Xydexx Squeakypony [ICQ: 7569393]
"The only problem with not participating in flamewars is
that nobody notices you're not participating in them." -Me
Matthigh
<<associated with: Reasonable folks like Darrel Exline who
actually want to improve things in this fandom, or folks
like Hangdog and GothTiger who just want to continue
swamping alt.fan.furry with flames?<<
Um, actually, I am neither a Burned Fur or one of their opponents.
But to me the anti-Burned Fur nitwits have done a much better job of turning me
off than Burned Furs.
Neither group comes out clean, but the anti-BF'ers are coming across much
worse.
I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
Please.
Xydexx Squeakypony
> I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
I know, I know. Nobody wants to hear about it.
Heck, _I_ could've told you that.
Lancid
Dr. Cat
: Hi there.
: Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
You know, if everyone in the newsgroup would ignore BOTH sides of this
argument, the Burned Fur detractors AND the rude Burned Furs, it would
get a lot more peaceful around here for a while.
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Matthew Milam
is going to work with you on this problem your having with Burned
furs, or any issue of importance. So technically, you are in the same
resulted situation as I was in 1996-97 when I asked for help against
two mucks.
Everyone has the suspicson your nuts, out for attenion, and possibly
just interested in flaming. So the best I can say, is that you better
just keep a low profile.
Matthew Milam
"However, that was told to me, and I didn't listen. Oh well"
mmi...@interlync.com
Matthew Milam
wrote:
>I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
>Please.
Why do I sense some of you taking the "Colorado" apporach?
Matthew Milam
mmi...@interlync.com
Galen Wolffit
: It's going to occur to you one of these days, that no one around here
: is going to work with you on this problem your having with Burned
: furs, or any issue of importance. So technically, you are in the same
: resulted situation as I was in 1996-97 when I asked for help against
: two mucks.
: Everyone has the suspicson your nuts, out for attenion, and possibly
: just interested in flaming. So the best I can say, is that you better
: just keep a low profile.
Mr. Milam, please do not speak for 'everyone'. As the legal council for a
member of the informal organization known as 'everyone', I have been asked to
inform you and 'everyone else' (that is, everyone who is not you or me) that
it is not true that 'everyone' believes what you claim.
To be specific, neither I nor the gentlefur I represent belieeve that Mr.
Squeakypony is nuts, or out for attention, or just interested in flaming.
Thank you for listening to this public service announcement.
--
Galen Wolffit, who is representing himself in this matter. Does that make him
a fool?
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AnubisXy
> > Like I said, the page's purpose is not to annoy Xydexx. It's to >
> inform others so they'll know what to expect if they run across
> > him. But if anyone thinks the page isn't serving its intended
> > purpose, let me know. Of course, if I ever run into him at a con,
> > I'll put his fucking head through a wall.
It looks to me that Clint here is speaking genericly. He is saying that he
will put ANYONES head though a wall if thet think the page isn't preforming
it's intended service, he will put that persons head through a wall.. *shrug*
it just doesn't look to me like he is targetting you specifically.
AnubisXy
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Ucalegon
writes:
>Mr. Milam, please do not speak for 'everyone'.
I find the idea of Matthew Milam telling *anyone* how to
behave hilarious. Or pitiful, or disgusting, something like that.
Acag, Treesong (ucal...@aol.com)
Farlo
> Having dealt with Mark Loggins, let me turn my attention to another
> notable liar her on a.f.f: Karl Jorgenson, aka Xydexx.
Xydexx is not a liar.
Maybe Hangdog thinks he can rewrite history.
Maybe he thinks I wouldn't call him on it.
Maybe he disrespects the intelligence of everyone reading his posts.
Maybe he'd like me to be his "special friend".
I can do that.
He won't like it.
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon, Furry Freedom Fighter
FRM - Furry Resistance Movement
http://www.dejanews.com/~furculture
Farlo
>the anti-Burned Fur nitwits have done a much better job of turning me
>off than Burned Furs.
Matt, you are foolish, but entitled to the opinion.
>I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
>Please.
I will never shut up until this threat is ended.
You like the BF so much - wait till it's YOUR ass they're after.
Cuddle with that thought.
Farlo
>Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
He might be, but I am relentless.
Vixy
>(drivel excised)
>I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
>Please.
Just take a look at the original author of this thread. Is that a burned
fur? Why yeeeesss, it is. Why blame someone for defending himself?
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*snip*
> To be specific, neither I nor the gentlefur I represent belieeve that Mr.
> Squeakypony is nuts, or out for attention, or just interested in flaming.
>
> Thank you for listening to this public service announcement.
>
> --
> Galen Wolffit, who is representing himself in this matter. Does that make him
*snickers* No Galen, I am nuts. Xydexx is just concerned and possibly confused.
*drivel, drool, and dagnabit..*
Life sucks folks, people bitch, rant and argue all day long.
It happens, get an ice cream cone, go on with like, shut the fuck up and deal.
Live life, and then die.
Have a happy crappy day.
:P~~~
--
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Me Dammit!
Ashes to ashes, dust to dusts, if you don't take it out and use it, it's going to
rust! - Katana, Highlander II
Rat Shit, Bat Shit, Dirty old twat, 69 assholes tied in a knot, hooray, lizard
shit, Fuck! - George Carlin
Farlo
>Actually Xydexx.. go back and reread what Clint said..
>
>> > Like I said, the page's purpose is not to annoy Xydexx. It's to >
>> inform others so they'll know what to expect if they run across
>> > him. But if anyone thinks the page isn't serving its intended
>> > purpose, let me know. Of course, if I ever run into him at a con,
>> > I'll put his fucking head through a wall.
>
>It looks to me that Clint here is speaking genericly.
It's hardly the "we're not violent" image that Hangdog would like you to
have seen. Even by your own admission, Clint is saying something to the
equivalent of "If someone thinks that this page isn't informative, I'll
put [that someone's] head through a F**cking wall".
That makes Clint a danger to practically anyone he runs across,
given his childish "me grog" intellect.
"The page? Oh, I didn't undertand i..." *WHAM!*
"I didn't see it ..." *WHAM!*
"It didn't make sens ... " *WHAM!*
It can be generally inferred that Clint would be just as violent to Xydexx
as well as anyone else unfortunate to cross Clint's path. Maybe the rest
of the BF (well, some of them) are not violent, but Clint's history of
threats is well-documented. He also threatened TWoolfe, if I remember.
StukaFox
: Just take a look at the original author of this thread. Is that a burned
: fur? Why yeeeesss, it is. Why blame someone for defending himself?
Why blame Burned Fur for your flaming?
StukaFox
Quid Pro Quo
Vixy
>It looks to me that Clint here is speaking genericly. He is saying that he
>will put ANYONES head though a wall if thet think the page isn't preforming
>it's intended service, he will put that persons head through a wall.. *shrug*
>it just doesn't look to me like he is targetting you specifically.
Sorry to disappoint you but it DOES sound like he is specifically speaking
about Xydexx. Also, he admitted he was referencing Xydexx later.
Also, this (Clint Forester) is the same guy who went nutso wacko on
Purrsia.yerf.yap and began posting obscene, berserk tantrums which cursed
everything and everyone under the sun for no reason and to no end till the
moderator removed him. Quite literally, crazy. Seems he didn't like the people
there either.
At first I just thought he was speaking out of his sphincter when making
physical threats against Xydexx. But after witnessing his actions on
Purrsia.yerf.yap, I'm not so sure he would be able to control himself if the two
came face-to-face.
goth_...@my-dejanews.com
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote:
> "Hangdog" peter....@pdq.net wrote in <37269AB5...@pdq.net>:
>
> > Having dealt with Mark Loggins, let me turn my attention to another
> > notable liar her on a.f.f: Karl Jorgenson, aka Xydexx.
>
> Xydexx is not a liar.
No, he just doesn't tell the whole truth, which is essentially the same thing.
StukaFox
: Life sucks folks, people bitch, rant and argue all day long.
: It happens, get an ice cream cone, go on with like, shut the fuck up and deal.
: Live life, and then die.
: Have a happy crappy day.
You're my hero, Alan!
(The stalking will start immediately)
StukaFox
Farlo
> Farlo wrote:
>> Xydexx is not a liar.
>
>No, he just doesn't tell the whole truth, which is essentially the same
thing.
He does not bend the truth or misrepresent facts.
I know some people who do - can you name them, Gothtiger?
There's a whole list of them on a page, plus Squee's rant.
Honesty is not exactly a "shining virtue" of the BF.
StukaFox
: Maybe he'd like me to be his "special friend".
: I can do that.
: He won't like it.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
Farlo the Gormless cranks off with yet ANOTHER empty threat!
Whatcha gonna do, Gormless? Another post to AUK? Mail-bomb him?
Launch one of your pathetic lame-wars? Christ, you are PATHETIC!
33-year-old guy sitting at home, pretending to be a dragon, and
worse, trying to pretend he's a bad-ass on the Usenet! If he
was like 16 and in highschool, I could understand this. But
he's damn near a middle-aged man!
Gormless, do I need to remind you how badly schooled you got
LAST time you tried this stunt? How you had to run off the Usenet
and go into email because of the severity of the scortching you
so rightfully recieved? How you had to run off to alt.usenet.kooks
to try to find someone to back you, only to find Tim "Wanky the
Wanker" Thorn, the lamest flamer on the Usenet? Couldn't even post
with your own account, Gormless, you had to hide behind Deja-News
and made damn sure the URL to your little circle-jerk newsgroup
was well hidden, lest the flames you tried to direct at me blow
back and incinerate your sorry ass.
Puh-fucking-thetic.
Now, with your ass still glowing from the last flaming you recieved,
you're all fulla piss-and-vinegar again and trying to start ANOTHER
flame war! "He won't like it". What an empty threat! Look, "Farlo",
I know reality to you is as alien as the Book of the Dead written
in Chinese on a Martian's ass, but let's try to drop the dragon act
for a second and take a look at it, 'k? There's NOTHING you can do
to Hangdog. You can't flame, you mailbomb and your account is vaporized,
no one on alt.usenet.kooks wants to play with you, and compared to you,
even at his worst, Hangdog comes across as the Voice of Pure reason
and doubtlessly sounds like Charlseton Heston vs. your Emo Phillips.
So, for once, for ONCE in your life, do yourself a favor: QUIT TRYING
TO ACT LIKE A BADASS WHEN YOU'RE NOT!
Oh, and one more thing, lest you forget your last foray into the world
of Flaming: SPANK!
StukaFox
Hangdog
> and compared to you,
> even at his worst, Hangdog comes across as the Voice of Pure reason
> and doubtlessly sounds like Charlseton Heston vs. your Emo Phillips.
Hmmm...
"...and DON'T forget to make it a Bud Light!"
"...and don't FORGET to make it a Bud Light!"
"...and don't forget to make it a BUD Light!"
...yeah...yeah, I can see that...:o)
--Hang("I've brought down these 15--whoops!*smash!*...ten--Ten Commandments...)dog
StukaFox
: StukaFox wrote:
: Hmmm...
You go off and head the NRA, the relationship is off! ;)
StukaFox
Dr. Cat
: "Lancid" writ...@dev.null wrote in <7g6jia$kgh$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>:
: >Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
: He might be, but I am relentless.
Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
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own posts, maybe he won't be *quite* so annoying.)
goth_...@my-dejanews.com
c...@bga.com (Dr. Cat) wrote:
> Farlo (stan...@abac.com) wrote:
> : "Lancid" writ...@dev.null wrote in <7g6jia$kgh$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>:
>
> : >Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
>
> : He might be, but I am relentless.
>
> Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
Amen to that, Dr. Cat.
Emi Melissa Briet
Actually, technically, just typing this line and posting it to the net
could be construed as a threat by word of the law, whether you meant it or
not.
--Emi
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Vixy
>In article <37276...@feed1.realtime.net>,
> c...@bga.com (Dr. Cat) wrote:
>> Farlo (stan...@abac.com) wrote:
>> : "Lancid" writ...@dev.null wrote in <7g6jia$kgh$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>:
>>
>> : >Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
>>
>> : He might be, but I am relentless.
>>
>> Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
>
>Amen to that, Dr. Cat.
But when will it end? When will the BFs obnoxious few loudmouths cease
trolling and flaming aimlessly with no regard for anyone else? Let's just see
if they can go without trolling/aimless flaming anymore. No more using the
B-word in threads where it's totally off topic. No more fixation with Xydexx or
lifestylers or spiritualists or ameture furry works right out of the blue. No
more baselessly broadstroking and generalizing the worst of Furry Fandom. I
genuinly doubt they can. Of course all they have to do is shut their yaps to
prove me wrong. ;)
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
> "Farlo" stan...@abac.com wrote in <8DB6C4C...@news.fysh.org>:
> Amendment: They ATTACK or DERIDE or IMPLY, and I snap at them.
> You'll notice that I pick and choose.
Fine, you snap. But what do you stand for? What IS your opinion? What do
you WANT to have in Furry Fandom?
--
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a cure for polio, and the transistor, is also featured nightly on COPS.
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Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Akai
I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
--
-Akai
"He who makes a beast of himself
gets rid of the pain of being a man."
Farlo
>Farlo (stan...@abac.com) wrote:
>: "Lancid" writ...@dev.null wrote in <7g6jia$kgh$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>:
>
>: >Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
>
>: He might be, but I am relentless.
>
>Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
They post, I snap at them.
It's simple.
Farlo
>"Dr. Cat" c...@bga.com wrote in <37276...@feed1.realtime.net>:
>
>>Farlo (stan...@abac.com) wrote:
>>: "Lancid" writ...@dev.null wrote in <7g6jia$kgh$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>:
>>
>>: >Ain't you tired of it all yet, Karl ?
>>
>>: He might be, but I am relentless.
>>
>>Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
>
>They post, I snap at them.
>It's simple.
Amendment: They ATTACK or DERIDE or IMPLY, and I snap at them.
You'll notice that I pick and choose.
Farlo
Matthew Milam
>Matthew Milam (mmi...@interlync.com) wrote:
>: It's going to occur to you one of these days, that no one around here
>: is going to work with you on this problem your having with Burned
>: furs, or any issue of importance. So technically, you are in the same
>: resulted situation as I was in 1996-97 when I asked for help against
>: two mucks.
>
>: Everyone has the suspicson your nuts, out for attenion, and possibly
>: just interested in flaming. So the best I can say, is that you better
>: just keep a low profile.
>
>Mr. Milam, please do not speak for 'everyone'.
I'm not speaking for everyone, i'm stating from exprience, that and
the fact I usually don't take any of you completely seriously. And
since I have the right to do what I want, the reply is worthless.
Ass legal council for a
>member of the informal organization known as 'everyone', I have been asked to
>inform you and 'everyone else' (that is, everyone who is not you or me) that
>it is not true that 'everyone' believes what you claim.
Ah, never mind. You didn't read the bottom as I suspected.
Matthew Milam
mmi...@interlync.com
Matthew Milam
>In article <7g72vn$qor$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, ma...@axsamer.org (Galen Wolffit)
>writes:
>
>>Mr. Milam, please do not speak for 'everyone'.
>
>I find the idea of Matthew Milam telling *anyone* how to
>behave hilarious. Or pitiful, or disgusting, something like that.
Well, then you have my permission to bitch and complain the next time
I do this again. Consider however, you did some simlar things way back
when, and interestingly suggested you didn't want to speak to me.
Since you have contributed to the subject in discussion, it appears to
me, that you seem less interested in following your own rules. Hence
what I said in the bottom half of my orginal message.
Matthew Milam
mmi...@interlync.com
>
>Acag, Treesong (ucal...@aol.com)
Akai
Matthigh
is going to work with you on this problem your having with Burned
furs, or any issue of importance. So technically, you are in the same
resulted situation as I was in 1996-97 when I asked for help against
two mucks.<<
>>Everyone has the suspicson your nuts, out for attenion, and possibly
just interested in flaming. So the best I can say, is that you better
just keep a low profile.<<
I'll be damned. Smart words from Matthew Milam. Guess it had to happen
sometime.
There are wisdom in the words above. I think many people here could learn alot
from what can happen if you scream and yell and froth at the mouth too much.
After a while it no longer matters if you are right or if you are wrong -
people just stop taking you seriously.
Sometimes discretion really is the best course of action.
Wanderer
Swear words are the recourse of the unimaginative.
Yours briefly,
The distinctly-not-amused,
Wanderer**wand...@ticnet.com
Where am I going?I don't quite know.
What does it matter where people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow.
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I*don't know!
Galen Wolffit
: I'm not speaking for everyone, i'm stating from exprience, that and
Sure sounded like you were. I must have misunderstood your use of the word
"everyone". Please forgive me.
: the fact I usually don't take any of you completely seriously. And
That is your problem, not Xydexx's, nor is it cause for you to call him nuts,
or out for attention, or anything else.
: since I have the right to do what I want, the reply is worthless.
"All ll things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things
are lawful for me, but all things edify not." - 1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJV)
: Ah, never mind. You didn't read the bottom as I suspected.
It was the bottom that I was referring to.
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Akai wrote:
> I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
And I KNOW for a FACT that there was a Burned Fur on that grassy knoll...
-MMM-
BF
M. Mitchell Marmel
Wanderer wrote:
>
> Dear Stuka,
>
> Swear words are the recourse of the unimaginative.
Fuckin' A.
-MMM-
BF
(hey, waitaminnit...D'OH!)
Farlo
<990428223...@mauser.at.kendra.com>:
>In article <8DB6C1A...@news.fysh.org>, Farlo <stan...@abac.com>
writes:
>> "Farlo" stan...@abac.com wrote in <8DB6C4C...@news.fysh.org>:
>> Amendment: They ATTACK or DERIDE or IMPLY, and I snap at them.
>> You'll notice that I pick and choose.
>
>Fine, you snap. But what do you stand for? What IS your opinion? What
do
>you WANT to have in Furry Fandom?
Curious - months of flames and nobody's ever asked that before.
I stand for personal freedom of expression, particularly artistic
expression. I stand for the right of the individual to be an individual.
I stand for personal growth and the exercise of personal responsibility.
My opinion is that dragging other people down to build something up is
inherently a bad idea and doomed from the start.
I want furry fandom to have many diverse and wonderful people in it. I
want wonderful stories and beautiful art. I want everyone to feel
welcome, without crapping on anyone else.
Last, I want the BF to produce something positive instead of being the
main source of anxiety on this newsgroup.
StukaFox
: I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
Well, I guess that explains these little skin-tab things I've been
developing on my shoulders as of late.
Damn you, Burned Fur! DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ! ! ! ! !
StukaFox
I blame my 'rhoids on the other side.
StukaFox
: Dear Stuka,
: Swear words are the recourse of the unimaginative.
Dear Wanderer,
I am me -- warts and all.
StukaFox
Farlo
>I think many people here could learn alot
>from what can happen if you scream and yell and
>froth at the mouth too much.
Like the Burned Furs?
>After a while it no longer matters if you are right or if you are wrong -
>people just stop taking you seriously.
This argument goes only for those debating an issue.
We are way beyond "discussing" the BF and into the penalty phase.
>Sometimes discretion really is the best course of action.
It's been TRIED.
I killfiled them for weeks, and totally ignored their existence.
It solved NOTHING; when I emptied my filters, there they were -
like roaches scurrying for cover when the lights went on.
Xydexx Squeakypony
> I stand for personal freedom of expression, particularly artistic
> expression. I stand for the right of the individual to be an individual.
> I stand for personal growth and the exercise of personal responsibility.
>
> My opinion is that dragging other people down to build something up is
> inherently a bad idea and doomed from the start.
>
> I want furry fandom to have many diverse and wonderful people in it. I
> want wonderful stories and beautiful art. I want everyone to feel
> welcome, without crapping on anyone else.
Well said. -:)
> Last, I want the BF to produce something positive instead of being the
> main source of anxiety on this newsgroup.
Okay, but things seem to be starting to settle down now. If either "side"
keeps trying to get the last word in, it isn't going to lessen the anxiety
here.
I'm willing to give BF a chance to produce something positive and see what
they come up with.
____________________________________________________________________
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http://www.smart.net/~xydexx/anthrofurry/homepage.htm
Hangdog
> StukaFox wrote:
>
> > Vixy <res...@here.please> wrote:
> >
> > : Just take a look at the original author of this thread. Is that a burned
> > : fur? Why yeeeesss, it is. Why blame someone for defending himself?
> >
> > Why blame Burned Fur for your flaming?
> >
> > StukaFox
> > Quid Pro Quo
>
> I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
You see? Our Orbital Mind Control Lasers are working as planned!
Unfortunately Vixy has thwarted us by wearing that devastatingly chic
foil hat! Curses!
--Hangdog
Hangdog
> Akai wrote:
>
> > I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
>
> And I KNOW for a FACT that there was a Burned Fur on that grassy knoll...
Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa would like to deny that...
--Hangdog, Burned Fur
Hangdog
> Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > Dear Stuka,
> >
> > Swear words are the recourse of the unimaginative.
>
> Fuckin' A.
No shit!
--Hangdog
Akai
So you're hiding them too, aren't ya? Typical! We could be dealing with a group
here that's a hundred times more evil than the Freemasons.
M. Mitchell Marmel
Akai wrote:
> So you're hiding them too, aren't ya? Typical! We could be dealing with a group
> here that's a hundred times more evil than the Freemasons.
"Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do!
We do!"
-MMM-
BF
Forrest
Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:3728E1BC...@pdq.net...
> David Gonterman wrote:
>
> > As of right now, me and the MiSTing crowd is trying to patch things
> > up. I even did a MiSTing of--get this--the Burned Fur Manifesto!!
> > (And I'm a BF myself)
>
> Hm? Where? If it's any good, we gotta get that up on the website! :o)
I found it at:
http://foxfire.thewebunion.com/Studio/Nitro/Nitro_04.txt
Hangdog
> As of right now, me and the MiSTing crowd is trying to patch things
> up. I even did a MiSTing of--get this--the Burned Fur Manifesto!!
> (And I'm a BF myself)
Hm? Where? If it's any good, we gotta get that up on the website! :o)
--Hangdog, Burned Fur
Hangdog
Jim Groat wrote:
> :Akai wrote:
> :
> :> I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
> :
> Burned Fur stole my hair...No wait...I have my hair...BURNED FUR Stole
> Gallacci's hair.
tO sTeVE gALacCi:
dRAw Us 4o PIctURes Of ErMa fELNa WIth a CrOwbAR oR yOU
wILL NEver sEE yOuR hAIr AgaIN.
BUrneD FuR
Forrest
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote :
> I stand for personal freedom of expression, particularly artistic
> expression. I stand for the right of the individual to be an individual.
> I stand for personal growth and the exercise of personal responsibility.
>
> My opinion is that dragging other people down to build something up is
> inherently a bad idea and doomed from the start.
>
> I want furry fandom to have many diverse and wonderful people in it. I
> want wonderful stories and beautiful art. I want everyone to feel
> welcome, without crapping on anyone else.
>
> Last, I want the BF to produce something positive instead of being the
> main source of anxiety on this newsgroup.
Hear hear!
I will see about working these points into M2, perhaps as a preamble.
--
Manifesto II: http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech
Jim Groat
:Akai wrote:
:
:> I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
:
Burned Fur stole my hair...No wait...I have my hair...BURNED FUR Stole
Gallacci's hair.
____________________________________________________________________________
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Remove the nospamplease before replying.
David Gonterman
>StukaFox wrote:
>
>> Vixy <res...@here.please> wrote:
>>
>> : Just take a look at the original author of this thread. Is that a burned
>> : fur? Why yeeeesss, it is. Why blame someone for defending himself?
>>
>> Why blame Burned Fur for your flaming?
>>
>> StukaFox
>> Quid Pro Quo
>
>I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
Pal, if there's anyone online that should be blamed for canceling
MST3K, it's David Diwight Gonterman
There was a MiSTing of one of my stories (Sailor Moon themed) that
gave me so many flames that I made threats--including real life
versions--of retaliation to anyone who MiSTed anything of mine any
again. Apparently Mike and Joel heard of this. (Is my ego too big
<smiles>)
Well, to be honest, they wouldn't say it was me, but I did blew up
Trenchcoat Mafia style for a MiSTing of a story which gave me more
grief--including multiple mail bombs and my web page being hacked
into--than any file that I made myself. And they claim that they're
not responsible. (Now I understand why those two poor bastards bombed
their school)
As of right now, me and the MiSTing crowd is trying to patch things
up. I even did a MiSTing of--get this--the Burned Fur Manifesto!!
(And I'm a BF myself) Although I still state that my stuff is off
the dib list, the smoking of the peace pipe is definitely going on all
around. It might take a while, but my personal healing is under way.
I'm rambling, and it's off the topic, so I'll shut up now. :/
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"He who demands for Tolerance the most, may in fact have it the least."
Forrest
Jim Groat <elka...@mailbag.nospamplease.com> wrote :
> Burned Fur stole my hair...No wait...I have my hair...BURNED FUR Stole
> Gallacci's hair.
However, Burned Fur stole Jim Groat's mare.
("Oh my god, Red Shetland killed Eric Blumrich!")
Hangdog
> Jim Groat <elka...@mailbag.nospamplease.com> wrote :
>
> > Burned Fur stole my hair...No wait...I have my hair...BURNED FUR Stole
> > Gallacci's hair.
>
> However, Burned Fur stole Jim Groat's mare.
Probably to make curry...I love curry...does your religion forbid it?
--Hangdog
Richard Chandler - WA Resident
> I stand for personal freedom of expression, particularly
> artistic expression. I stand for the right of the individual to be
> an individual.
> I stand for personal growth and the exercise of personal responsibility.
>
> My opinion is that dragging other people down to build something up
> is inherently a bad idea and doomed from the start.
Okay, but do you see how some people that (not just) the Burned Furs are
annoyed about are already dragging people down, just taking some of the better
known problems like the Loaded interview?
> I want furry fandom to have many diverse and wonderful people in it.
> I want wonderful stories and beautiful art. I want everyone to
> feel welcome, without crapping on anyone else.
I'm perhaps not so welcoming. I too want wonderful stories and Beautiful art,
but there are some forms of diversity that are more distructive than the worth
of their contribution, if any.
> Last, I want the BF to produce something positive instead of being
> the main source of anxiety on this newsgroup.
I don't know if they are, but I do know that it takes two sides to have an
argument, and if you were to take yourself out of it, the flames would fade.
Think about what percentage of your posts in the last month or so were part of
some flamewar?
--
The greatest tragedy is that the same species that achieved space flight,
a cure for polio, and the transistor, is also featured nightly on COPS.
-- Richard Chandler
Spammer Warning: Washington State Law now provides civil penalties for UCE.
Farlo
>Hear hear!
>I will see about working these points into M2, perhaps as a preamble.
>--
>Manifesto II: http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech
Cool ... although I feel quite odd adding to a BF manifesto.
Dr. Cat
: goth_...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7g7ubk$t5c$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
: > c...@bga.com (Dr. Cat) wrote:
: >> Aw c'mon, Farlo, get tired of it already. Everybody else is. :X)
: >
: >Amen to that, Dr. Cat.
: But when will it end?
What did Dr. Manhattan say in the Watchmen comic? "It doesn't end.
Nothing ever ends."
Seriously, though, we'd probably see even less of it if you'd make up
your mind to be too tired of it to continue as well. Everybody that
decided to give it up helps, no matter which side they're on. How
much it helps depends more on how loud they were than on whether they
were "right" or "wrong" or like that there.
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has been "right", I think they're both wrong. So there, nyah!)
Cerulean
>Manifesto II: http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech
I've gone and read this, and I think it is worth recognizing as a
movement of its own. If we refer to the people who follow this tract
as representatives of "BF2" or "M2", and they likewise refer to
themselves that way, it will help to distinguish them from the
exclusionists and witch-hunters, and the "New Burned Fur" can gain
recognition as a positive force for all of us.
I would like to see a new signatory page attached to this "Manifesto
II" once it is finalized, so that everyone can see who prefers the "I
want this to be a fandom for everyone to enjoy" version and who still
prefers the "push out the hacks and pervs" version. The exclusionists
will no longer be able to maintain the illusion that they are legion.
Everybody's been "burned" by something or another in this fandom (a
lot us by the BF1). I am by nature not a club-joiner, but if it is
made clear that signing your name to the new manifesto does not imply
support of the earlier documents of fire and brimstone, then I would
probably add my name to it.
The slogan "Assume Nothing" greatly appeals to me.
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Akai
Lemon curry?
Forrest
Akai <ak...@teleport.com> wrote :
> > > > BURNED FUR Stole Gallacci's hair.
> > > However, Burned Fur stole Jim Groat's mare.
> > Probably to make curry...I love curry...does your religion forbid it?
Can our party curry favor with those that favor lemon curry by offering them
lemon curry party favors or is this idea a lemon?
Forrest
Cerulean <kevin...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3729516e...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >Manifesto II: http://members.xoom.com/squirreltech
>
> I've gone and read this, and I think it is worth recognizing as a
> movement of its own. If we refer to the people who follow this tract
> as representatives of "BF2" or "M2", and they likewise refer to
> themselves that way, it will help to distinguish them from the
> exclusionists and witch-hunters, and the "New Burned Fur" can gain
> recognition as a positive force for all of us.
Well...I don't see it so much as a separation as a clarification.
Since one of the two major complaints of M1 was against those who would say
"you can't be furry unless...", BF strikes me as anti-exclusionary to that
extent. The flip side of "You can't be furry unless", of course, is "You
can't be furry if". Among my acquaintances are a possible zoo and a
lifestyler, both of whom a) buy more furry stuff from more furry creators than
I do, and b) are polite in the fullest sense of the word. They don't harm the
furry image in any way. Somebody wants to throw them out of furrydom? I'll
leave too, thanks.
The FAQ does say BF isn't a witch hunt, and that should be adhered to.
> I would like to see a new signatory page attached to this "Manifesto
> II" once it is finalized, so that everyone can see who prefers the "I
> want this to be a fandom for everyone to enjoy" version and who still
> prefers the "push out the hacks and pervs" version.
I figure if the Generic-Mart can sell both comic books and (yuk) Hustler*
there must be a middle ground...(and the Proposal actually says that even
pushing out, etc, won't help).
> Everybody's been "burned" by something or another in this fandom (a
> lot us by the BF1). I am by nature not a club-joiner, but if it is
> made clear that signing your name to the new manifesto does not imply
> support of the earlier documents of fire and brimstone, then I would
> probably add my name to it.
There will be a line stating that endorsement of M2 implies nothing but
endorsement of M2.
* And in one generic-mart down south they were selling books that -- but no, I
MUST have been hallucinating. Not within driving distance of the studios of
the 700 Club.
goth_...@my-dejanews.com
Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote:
> Forrest wrote:
>
> > Jim Groat <elka...@mailbag.nospamplease.com> wrote :
> >
> > > Gallacci's hair.
> >
> > However, Burned Fur stole Jim Groat's mare.
>
> Probably to make curry...I love curry...does your religion forbid it?
There is no religon on earth that would be so cruel as to prevent a man from
enjoying...good curry.
GothTiger (who is stunned that no one caught this reference!)
Farlo
>Since one of the two major complaints of M1 was against those who would
say
>"you can't be furry unless...", BF strikes me as anti-exclusionary to
that
>extent.
I see many of the claims of "furrier than thou" and "You can't be
furry unless" attitudes to be representative of weak-minded projection on
the part of insecure individuals. Lancid's example of one incident was
far too late in this mess for me to give it any consideration.
Face it - I have the biggest antiBF maw on AFF, and I NEVER come off with
crap like "Oh, you're not a real furry because you're not 'X'".
It is yet another BF strawman.
>The flip side of "You can't be furry unless", of course, is "You
>can't be furry if". Among my acquaintances are a possible zoo and a
>lifestyler, both of whom a) buy more furry stuff from more furry creators
than
>I do, and b) are polite in the fullest sense of the word. They don't
harm the
>furry image in any way. Somebody wants to throw them out of furrydom?
I'll
>leave too, thanks.
Yes, that's what the BF seem to have as a goal.
"Let's get rid of the perverts and new agers" =P
(NOT while I'm breathing, they won't)
>The FAQ does say BF isn't a witch hunt, and that should be adhered to.
Far too late at this stage for BF to just mouth some words and hope people
will buy into it, IMO.
goth_...@my-dejanews.com
> > >
> > > Dear Stuka,
> > >
> > > Swear words are the recourse of the unimaginative.
> >
> > Fuckin' A.
>
> No shit!
Damn straight!
GothTiger
Forrest
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote in message
news:8DB8489...@news.fysh.org...
> I see many of the claims of "furrier than thou" and "You can't be
> furry unless" attitudes to be representative of weak-minded projection on
> the part of insecure individuals. Lancid's example of one incident was
> far too late in this mess for me to give it any consideration.
Then I must ask, what would you accept as evidence that such things happen?
Even if such things do not happen, is there reason to refrain from opposing
such declarations?
> Yes, that's what the BF seem to have as a goal.
> "Let's get rid of the perverts and new agers" =P
"...beastilality, veganism, zoophi1ia, lycanthropy, 'lifestyling',
plushophi1ia [....] The Burned Fur movement doesn't want to 'stomp out' these
segments of 'furriness'" says the FAQ. [l to 1 transposition by me]
If this does not suffice, then I must ask, what would you accept as evidence?
> >The FAQ does say BF isn't a witch hunt, and that should be adhered to.
> Far too late at this stage for BF to just mouth some words and hope people
> will buy into it, IMO.
Then I must ask, what would you accept as evidence?
Dr. Cat
: Well, I guess that explains these little skin-tab things I've been
: developing on my shoulders as of late.
: Damn you, Burned Fur! DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ! ! ! ! !
: StukaFox
: I blame my 'rhoids on the other side.
Well, you almost managed to spread the blame evenly there.
To be really fair, though, you should blame some other thing on all the
people that didn't take sides. Then you'd be all set. :X)
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Dr. Cat
: There will be a line stating that endorsement of M2 implies nothing but
: endorsement of M2.
If there were someplace to sign that said "I endorse M2 and I also reject
M1" I would sign it in an instant. If there's just a place to say "I
endorse M2 and say nothing whatsoever at this moment about what I think
of M1" I would have to think twice about it.
While it's unfair for anyone to assume what somebody's position on M1 is
based on their support of M2, it's inevitable that someone would assume
such things, about me or anyone else that endorsed it. Some would wrongly
assume I support M1. Some would assume I at least don't oppose M1
strongly enough that I would prefer to see it removed from the BF web page.
But I do oppose it that strongly. "I remember when maximum cruelty was a
bad thing", as someone said recently. :X)
Some people take the attitude that if anyone misunderstands your
statements and actions, it's THEIR fault and you should blow them
off and not worry about it. But my attitude is, if you want to
communicate, whether through art, writing, movements, manifestos,
or computer games (which I delude myself into thinking I've gotten
published), it behooves you to think of how to express whatever you
want to express in the clearest way possible, to minimize the number
of people that will misunderstand you. (There'll always be a few,
but hopefully you can KEEP it few.)
I think a spot to indicate that I support M2 and oppose M1 would cause
fewer people to misunderstand my position than if I could only indicate
the former, and get lumped together with a bunch of people who have
widely varying opinions on M1 but all support M2. We've all seen that
groups on BOTH sides of any argument will tend to unfairly stereotype
any group of opponents they have that hold widely varying opinions, and I
don't want to get stereotyped any more than I already am thanks. It's
bad enough that people think I have the same spiritual beliefs as every
other person that's into sticking bananas in their ears. That's just not
true, we're all very different. All 3 of us. :X)
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I would probably just state my opinion on the newsgroup instead where I
could say "I support M2 and oppose M1". But then, I suppose I just did
that, didn't I? Ok, you don't need to put ANY place up for me to sign my
name now, I'm all done. Go ahead and put up a place for other people to
sign their names to tho if you want to.)
KeeCoyote
>
> StukaFox (stuk...@shell9.ba.best.com) wrote:
> : Well, I guess that explains these little skin-tab things I've been
> : developing on my shoulders as of late.
>
> : Damn you, Burned Fur! DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ! ! ! ! !
>
> : StukaFox
> : I blame my 'rhoids on the other side.
>
> Well, you almost managed to spread the blame evenly there.
>
> To be really fair, though, you should blame some other thing on all the
>
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> something. They did it with their orbiting mind control lasers!)
Well I prefer they use the orbitin mime control lasers on all the mimes
and send them to war on the evil Richard Simmon clone army that is on
the moon.
Akai
> StukaFox (stuk...@shell9.ba.best.com) wrote:
> : Well, I guess that explains these little skin-tab things I've been
> : developing on my shoulders as of late.
>
> : Damn you, Burned Fur! DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ! ! ! ! !
>
> : StukaFox
> : I blame my 'rhoids on the other side.
>
> Well, you almost managed to spread the blame evenly there.
>
> To be really fair, though, you should blame some other thing on all the
> people that didn't take sides. Then you'd be all set. :X)
>
The non-aligned furs are responsible for all of those David Spade/Chris Farley
movies. And they are avid supporters of Lyndon LaRouche.
>
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> (Disclaimer: I blame them for making Stukafox forget to blame them for
> something. They did it with their orbiting mind control lasers!)
Xydexx Squeakypony
> If there were someplace to sign that said "I endorse M2 and I also reject
> M1" I would sign it in an instant. If there's just a place to say "I
> endorse M2 and say nothing whatsoever at this moment about what I think
> of M1" I would have to think twice about it.
I've been doing a lot of thinking lately, and I've decided to drop outta
furry politics despite being ahead in the polls. Besides, there's no
telling when someone is gonna dig up those pictures of me in a
compromising position with Xanthar, so I better quit while I'm ahead.
Oh freedom, horrible horrible freedom! The pony is unleashed now!
Muahahah.
> It's bad enough that people think I have the same spiritual beliefs as
> every other person that's into sticking bananas in their ears. That's
> just not true, we're all very different. All 3 of us. :X)
And speaking of incriminating pictures.... -:)
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"The only problem with not participating in flamewars is
that nobody notices you're not participating in them." -Me
Forrest
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote :
> >> Hmmm, let's play "poke the farlo".
> >
> >I'd rather not.
>
> You'd already set it up, and now you don't want to play wit me anymore? =)
It's certainly not my intent to harass anyone, but it looks like Allen Kitchen
plonked me for doing just that so I guess I've gone badly awry. :(
> >Manifesto II on the other hand does cover isolated incidents; if I spot
> anyone
> >telling anyone else "you can't be a furry unless XXXX," where XXXX
> translates
> >to anything more than having a simple interest in furry matters, I'm
> obliged
> >to point out that isn't so.
>
> Certainly I would point it out.
Oh. Well, that's all right then.
> My position is that saying "you can't be furry unless..." is unacceptable
> behavior.
>
> The BF position, near as I can tell, is "these groups say that you can't
> be furry unless ...". The BF would attribute this attitude to groups to
> which it does NOT belong.
Can we agree to disagree on this point?
StukaFox
: StukaFox (stuk...@shell9.ba.best.com) wrote:
: : Well, I guess that explains these little skin-tab things I've been
: : developing on my shoulders as of late.
: : Damn you, Burned Fur! DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ! ! ! ! !
: : StukaFox
: : I blame my 'rhoids on the other side.
: Well, you almost managed to spread the blame evenly there.
: To be really fair, though, you should blame some other thing on all the
: people that didn't take sides. Then you'd be all set. :X)
Okay -- I blame having to check the flamethrower on the people
who didn't take sides!
: (Disclaimer: I blame them for making Stukafox forget to blame them for
: something. They did it with their orbiting mind control lasers!)
Don't crowd, don't crowd -- plenty of blame left for everyone!
StukaFox
I'll tell you the name of the game, boy:
Blame!\
Farlo
> Farlo wrote:
>> My position is that saying "you can't be furry unless..." is
unacceptable
>> behavior.
>>
>> The BF position, near as I can tell, is "these groups say that you
can't
>> be furry unless ...". The BF would attribute this attitude to groups
to
>> which it does NOT belong.
>
>Can we agree to disagree on this point?
No, because I'm not asking for permission,
I'm telling you how I see it.
Forrest
Farlo <stan...@abac.com> wrote :
> >Can we agree to disagree on this point?
>
> No, because I'm not asking for permission,
> I'm telling you how I see it.
So am I.
Besides I wouldn't know how to set your permissions anyway.
[ $ chmod 755 farlo ]?
Dr. Cat
: "Dr. Cat" wrote:
: > It's bad enough that people think I have the same spiritual beliefs as
: > just not true, we're all very different. All 3 of us. :X)
: And speaking of incriminating pictures.... -:)
I just want to state at this time that any alleged photographs Xydexx may
have of me sticking bananas in my ears could quite feasibly be my twin
brother, if I have one, or some clone of me or person made up to look
like me if not. I can neither confirm nor deny the allegations at this
time. I have no comment. And furthermore, the monkey did it.
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(Disclaimer: And besides, the photos were taken in a private hotel room.
It's not like bananas were stuck in someone's ears in public areas like
the lobby, fer cryin' out loud. And no, I don't have any idea why Silfur
had bananas in his hotel room. Probably so he could eat them. I hear
that they contain calories and provide actual nourishment if used in that
way rather than sticking them in your ears. (Me, I wouldn't know. I
only eat farklezazzleberries!)
Farlo
Set cookie:= Farlo[chocolate chip, 12]
Run milk.exe
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
[...]
> I am me -- warts and all.
I know a good dermatologist.
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Gabriel Gentile
> > > As of right now, me and the MiSTing crowd is trying to patch things
> > > up. I even did a MiSTing of--get this--the Burned Fur Manifesto!!
> > > (And I'm a BF myself)
> >
> > Hm? Where? If it's any good, we gotta get that up on the website! :o)
>
> I found it at:
> http://foxfire.thewebunion.com/Studio/Nitro/Nitro_04.txt
[Mr. Gentile is unavailable at the moment, as he is still suffering from
convulsions of maniacal laughter brought upon by reading the
aforementioned MiSTing. He does, however, highly recommend it. Doubly so
if you are a furry wrestling fan.]
Xydexx Squeakypony
[something about mayonaisse]
This is nothing compared to the nuzzling that went on in the Dr. Otto's Moldy
Cheese Blintzes Debate about a year ago. Someone got offended because they
were serving unidentifiable potted meat products at last year's Secret Furry
Order of the Ceramic Dalmation Party, and started flaming furries because
they replaced all the Tickle Me Elmo dolls with a bunch of ceramic
dalmations, and people were threatening to steal that giant Hummel statue
over in Tarrytown, NY or build dozens of screaming snowmen on the railroad
tracks. Someone even went so far as to put a near mint condition Wurlitzer
jukebox on roller skates and send it down the entrance ramp to the Cross
Westchester Expressway, much to the chagrin of NYC commuters.
Mice are cute until you find one in your cereal. Life beats football as a
game.
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Squeakyponyland: http://www.smart.net/~xydexx/lifestyle/homepage.htm
Farlo
>Mice are cute until you find one in your cereal.
Then they're crunchy! =9
xan...@my-dejanews.com
Xydexx Squeakypony <xyd...@SQUEAKY.my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> <snip> Besides, there's no
> telling when someone is gonna dig up those pictures of me in a
> compromising position with Xanthar, so I better quit while I'm ahead.
>
> Oh freedom, horrible horrible freedom! The pony is unleashed now!
> Muahahah.
<looks up at what is being dangled as evidence, and back down to the Photoshop
airbrush>
Smoke and Mirrors, I'd say ;)
-Xanthar <who wonders if _that_ mirror was big enough>
DougG A#344
<xyd...@SQUEAKY.my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>Please consider the facts:
Let it drop Zydexx. For someone who keeps begging peace "In public
forums anyway" You shure do go on.
I stopped airing my BF dirty laundry here "ALF" when I was told it
was innappropriate, why don't you go next?
You'd think that trolling the BF message group for incitements would
be enogh hatemongering. Even for you.........
Leave it on alt.fan.furry.politics where it belongs......
DougG A#344
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>
> StukaFox wrote:
> [something about mayonaisse]
>
> This is nothing compared to the nuzzling that went on in the Dr. Otto's Moldy
> Cheese Blintzes Debate about a year ago. Someone got offended because they
> were serving unidentifiable potted meat products at last year's Secret Furry
> Order of the Ceramic Dalmation Party, and started flaming furries because
> they replaced all the Tickle Me Elmo dolls with a bunch of ceramic
> dalmations, and people were threatening to steal that giant Hummel statue
> over in Tarrytown, NY or build dozens of screaming snowmen on the railroad
> tracks. Someone even went so far as to put a near mint condition Wurlitzer
> jukebox on roller skates and send it down the entrance ramp to the Cross
> Westchester Expressway, much to the chagrin of NYC commuters.
>
> Mice are cute until you find one in your cereal. Life beats football as a
> game.
>
In a related incident, a person or persons unknown recently made off
with the whole of North Tarrytown. Authorities are baffled as to a
motive, as the street value of actual streets is quite small. Some fear
this may be a sign of a new international blackmarket trade in NY
villages.
Rumour has it that the hamlet of Chipmunk was one of several such
communities spotted last month at an auction in japan, where such items
are often displayed in the home as a sign of prestige.
The real answer though, may be far less glamourous. According to NYC
police spokesman and veteran officer Francis Xavier Lipshitz,
buildings have also begun replacing the hood ornament as the status
symbol of choice among inner-city gangs:
"Oh yeah, those brownstones and stuff are real big with the 'bangers.
I remember, a couple years ago we busted this one kid who had the old
Waldorf-Astoria on him. This kind of thing happens more often then you'd
think. They just shove 'em in those big pants when no-one's looking and
walk off."
Officer Lipshitz refused to speculate on whether Urban gangsters may be
expanding they're tastes to include rural towns, though.
To this date, however The village of North Tarrytown NY has yet to be
recovered. The entire story will air next month on a special episode of
America's Most Wanted to be hosted by Bob Villa. Anyone with information
leading to the whereabouts of North Terrytown is urged to contact their
local authorities, or Old Home Journal Magazine.
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DougG A#344
>"Matthigh" wrote:
>
>>the anti-Burned Fur nitwits have done a much better job of turning me
>>off than Burned Furs.
>
>Matt, you are foolish, but entitled to the opinion.
>
>>I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
>>Please.
>
>I will never shut up until this threat is ended.
>You like the BF so much - wait till it's YOUR ass they're after.
>Cuddle with that thought.
I'm not after anybody, the mail I have recieved by having my name
plucked from the BF list is bloodcurdling.........
The anti-Bfs keep getting caught fabricating evidince. Flaming
message boards, and trolling for attacks.
When I have the right to my own say, I will abandon BF. Not because
of threats lies and prorpaganda.
Free speech is for everyone, or no-one at all...
DougG A#344
>StukaFox wrote:
>
>> Vixy <res...@here.please> wrote:
>>
>> : Just take a look at the original author of this thread. Is that a burned
>> : fur? Why yeeeesss, it is. Why blame someone for defending himself?
>>
>> Why blame Burned Fur for your flaming?
>>
>> StukaFox
>> Quid Pro Quo
>
>I blame Burned Fur for MST3K being cancelled. It's a conspiracy, y'know!
Wait a minute! I'm in BF and I don't watch anything else! Even taken
the studio tour!
Prove that one and I'll go after them myself! ; ]
DougG A#344
<xyd...@SQUEAKY.my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>Matthigh wrote:
>> I would strongly recommend you just shut the hell up and let things be.
>
>I know, I know. Nobody wants to hear about it.
>
>Heck, _I_ could've told you that.
>
Perhaps if you ignored it too? You write more about it than the rest
of us combined. BF's included.
Vixy
>On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:30:56 -0400, Xydexx Squeakypony
><xyd...@SQUEAKY.my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>>I know, I know. Nobody wants to hear about it.
>>Heck, _I_ could've told you that.
>
>Perhaps if you ignored it too? You write more about it than the rest
>of us combined. BF's included.
Keep reading DougG A#344/burned fur. Yer a week late,
but you'll eventually find (in fact you're very close now) the
point where he DOES say he is going to ignore burned furs.
There's definately a trick to playing catchup on Usenet. ;)
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Farlo
> When I have the right to my own say, I will abandon BF. Not because
>of threats lies and prorpaganda.
>
> Free speech is for everyone, or no-one at all...
I quote MYSELF for YOUR BENEFIT:
"You are ENTITLED to your opinion".
Nobody is required to like your opinion, however.
Some may think you foolish, and say so. I do.
Also, if you lie, no one is required to believe you.
Xydexx Squeakypony
> Xydexx Squeakypony wrote:
> > people were threatening to steal that giant Hummel statue
> > over in Tarrytown, NY or build dozens of screaming snowmen on the railroad
> > tracks. Someone even went so far as to put a near mint condition Wurlitzer
> > jukebox on roller skates and send it down the entrance ramp to the Cross
> > Westchester Expressway, much to the chagrin of NYC commuters.
>
> with the whole of North Tarrytown. Authorities are baffled as to a
> motive, as the street value of actual streets is quite small. Some fear
> this may be a sign of a new international blackmarket trade in NY
> villages.
Stop the presses! North Tarrytown is still there, they just changed the name
back to Sleepy Hollow again. They're planning on replacing that section of
Route 9 by the Old Dutch Church with a covered bridge again and erecting
(boing!) a monument to the Headless Horseman.
It's a little known fact that Legend of Sleepy Hollow was originally going to
be a nice story about an anthropomorphic stallion who got a job as a
schoolteacher. But unfortunately Washington Irving's first draft of the story
was met with such harsh criticism he rewrote it so the horseman was a
headless monster instead.
In later years the story changed so it was a headless human soldier riding on
horseback, and not the dreaded "horse-man" which they thought frightened
children too much. Headless humans throwing pumpkins were much less scary.
Actually kind of funny, when you think about it.
Some of the rare, really OLD copies of Legend of Sleepy Hollow actually have
illustrations showing the original "headless horse-man" with a tail. You may
be able to find one on e-bay.
I think Washington Irving should be guest of honor at the next furry
convention.
> "Oh yeah, those brownstones and stuff are real big with the 'bangers.
> I remember, a couple years ago we busted this one kid who had the old
> Waldorf-Astoria on him. This kind of thing happens more often then you'd
> think. They just shove 'em in those big pants when no-one's looking and
> walk off."
(Nate Patrin did it! I saw him do it! Why else do you think he's been
keeping such a low profile these days?)
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Xydexx Squeakypony: Ask me about my screaming Hummel collection
Squeakyponyland: http://www.smart.net/~xydexx/lifestyle/homepage.htm
David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
> Free speech is for everyone, or no-one at all...
If one may speek, all may seek.
Dr. Cat
: If one may speek, all may seek.
Or as the mice say:
If one may speek, all may squeek.
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FeralKatt
Hangdog <peter....@pdq.net> wrote:
> > In article <74doh2$5no$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > vide...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > >Of course, if I ever run into him at a con,
> > > I'll put his fucking head through a wall.
Unless he *was* speaking metaphorically, that sounds like a threat of
violence to *me*.
The last time anyone said anything like that to me, he later threatened
to kill me.
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