RL Furries to be Banned in Canada?
ru...@delphi.com
Here's a gem from the Saturday (and Sunday as well) Philadelphia Inquirer.
Major Matt Mason pointed it out to me and we thought it would be of
interest here.
Some months back Brassmane posted an editorial from Canada calling for bans
on reproductive and genetic techniques. Well, it's about to become reality
thanks to legislation introduced by The Liberal Party on Friday. The bill
bans the creation of furries. (Who says the government doesn't read this
newsgroup?)
The article says, in part:
CANADA TARGETS FERTILITY METHODS
A bill would limit use of reproductive technology. A ban on cloning human
embryos is included.
By David Crary
ASSOCIATED PRESS
TORONTO -- The federal government introduced sweeping legislation yesterday
to ban pay-for-pregnancy procedures, including paid surrogate motherhood and
sale of eggs, sperm and embryos.
The bill to regulate the use of technology in reproduction also would outlaw
sex selection of babies in virtually all cases.
``We are acting today to set boundaries on the use of new reproductive
technologies,'' Health Minister David Dingwall said in a statement
accompanying the bill.
The Liberal Party government's large majority in Parliament makes passage of
the bill a near certainty. The law would make Canada one of a handful of
countries with such tough rules. In the United States, most states have
allowed reproductive technologies to advance with few hindrances.
Maximum penalties in the Canadian bill are a fine of $365,000 and a 10-year
prison term.
(The article goes on to say: )
The bill would prohibit 13 uses of new reproductive and genetic
technologies. Among them:
* Cloning of human embryos.
* Creation of animal-human hybrids.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
* Transfer of embryos between human and other species.
* Use of human sperm, eggs or embryos for assisted human-reproduction
procedures or for medical research without the donor's consent.
* The creation of human embryos for research.
Sam Batarseh, whose Toronto clinic has been involved in surrogate motherhood
and other targeted procedures, said the government was exaggerating the
commercial aspect of the field.
(SNIP) (END)
- Just thought it was interesting that they worry about "animal-human hybrids"
to such an extent...
Guess Canadians will have to move South if furries are ever invented.
Brendan Smith
Seriously? *sigh* I was so looking forward to having my DNA spliced with
that of a fox.
A poor Canadian fur...
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Elisabeth B. Shaw
ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Brendan Smith) wrote:
>A poor Canadian fur...
Awww...I can't be a Canadian snowmeow... :(
Aki. :)
(who's actually a sneaux miaoux, from Louisiana.)
beth...@praline.no.neosoft.com
New Orleans, LA USA (extreme southern Canada, sorta.)
Matthew Philip Clark
> Here's a gem from the Saturday (and Sunday as well) Philadelphia Inquirer.
>
> Major Matt Mason pointed it out to me and we thought it would be of
> interest here.
>
> Some months back Brassmane posted an editorial from Canada calling for bans
> on reproductive and genetic techniques. Well, it's about to become reality
> thanks to legislation introduced by The Liberal Party on Friday. The bill
> bans the creation of furries. (Who says the government doesn't read this
> newsgroup?)
>
> The article says, in part:
>
> CANADA TARGETS FERTILITY METHODS
> A bill would limit use of reproductive technology. A ban on cloning human
> embryos is included.
<snip>
> The bill would prohibit 13 uses of new reproductive and genetic
> technologies. Among them:
> * Cloning of human embryos.
> * Creation of animal-human hybrids.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> * Transfer of embryos between human and other species.
> * Use of human sperm, eggs or embryos for assisted human-reproduction
> procedures or for medical research without the donor's consent.
> * The creation of human embryos for research.
<snip!>
> - Just thought it was interesting that they worry about "animal-human
hybrids"
> to such an extent...
>
> Guess Canadians will have to move South if furries are ever invented.
Maybe someone in the government read that story "What bunnies are
for..." (see
ftp://avatar.snc.edu/pub/furry/stories/downloads/Misc/BUNNYMK2.ZIP if
you're curious what SciFi story I'm talking about... :/ )
But the big question is: Who do we write about starting a petition?
And what are the chances of the bill actually passing and the idea
spreading to the US?
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David G. Bell
> - Just thought it was interesting that they worry about "animal-human hybrids"> to such an extent...
>
> Guess Canadians will have to move South if furries are ever invented.
The awkward question is what do they call a hybrid?
Is a bacterium an 'animal'?
What if you splice a gene into a micro-organism to make some natural
chemical, such as (to give a Canadian link) insulin.
That's already been done.
I'm not saying that there don't need to be laws, and newspapers can
grossly simplify thing, but it does sound a little too sweeping a
proposal.
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Brendan Smith
: Maybe someone in the government read that story "What bunnies are
: for..." (see
: ftp://avatar.snc.edu/pub/furry/stories/downloads/Misc/BUNNYMK2.ZIP if
: you're curious what SciFi story I'm talking about... :/ )
: But the big question is: Who do we write about starting a petition?
: And what are the chances of the bill actually passing and the idea
: spreading to the US?
Considering how much attention the US pays to Canada I'd be surprised if
the issue ever came up. Just how many of 'em can name our Prime Minister?
Dr. Cat
Well, Canadians will just have to invent magic so that they can create
furries without using genetic engineering techniques, thuse effectively
bypassing the new law. :X)
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Herman Miller
In article <835012...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk>, db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk
says...
>
>In article <ZFFusg...@delphi.com> ru...@delphi.com writes:
>
>> - Just thought it was interesting that they worry about "animal-human
hybr
>ids"> to such an extent...
>>
>> Guess Canadians will have to move South if furries are ever invented.
>
>
>The awkward question is what do they call a hybrid?
>
>Is a bacterium an 'animal'?
I don't think even politicians are perverse enough to call a bacterium an
animal, but you never know. Congress passed the CDA, after all. I don't
think splicing a couple of human genes into a bacterium can really be called
a hybrid, either, but the people who write the laws in the US don't speak
English very well, and I'd be surprised if Canadian laws are any easier to
understand.
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Brendan Smith
I was just watching the national news (I'm Canadian) and, yes, such a bill
is being introduced to parliament. Basically, the bill is a ludicrous
attempt to get nearly ALL facets of reproductive technology outlawed in
this country. The creation of animal/human hybrids seems to fall under
the banner of genetic manipulation, and therefore would be banned. I
can't see how this law could concievably be passed into law considering
the importance of biotechnology to our country and it's people. The
people who would really lose out would be the men and women which would
be faced with the choice of going to another country for these procedures
or never having children.
Matthew Philip Clark
In article <4q4mlk$l...@tribune.usask.ca>, ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca
(Brendan Smith) wrote:
> : But the big question is: Who do we write about starting a petition?
> : And what are the chances of the bill actually passing and the idea
> : spreading to the US?
> Considering how much attention the US pays to Canada I'd be surprised if
> the issue ever came up. Just how many of 'em can name our Prime Minister?
Who is the prime minster up there anyway? ;>
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Who has literally read just about everything on Avatar, and
happens to think that geneticly engineered furries wouldn't
be to bad of an idea, as long as SOME ethics (and common
sense) are used...
Mer'rark
Brendan Smith (ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca) wrote:
: Seriously? *sigh* I was so looking forward to having my DNA spliced with
: that of a fox.
: A poor Canadian fur...
Well then you'll have to come to the U.S. and have it done. Once your
transformation is complete you can go back, since you are still a
Canadian citizen, they can't do much to you. Of course, they will find
something to get you with, which means Canada will probably loose out on
money to be had. Oh well.
You know what this means, folks. If you really want this sort of
thing, you'd better get off your ass and make sure it's not some damned
illegal proceedure by the time it's possible. Get organized or
something, and figure out what it is you want to protect. Your right to
do what you want with your sperm or egg... your right to change your body
however you see fit (You ought to see what a fight the transgenerists are
having in the great white north. Bleeeah!)... the importance of
scientific research, and so on.
It's your future folks. Don't just sit by and let the big guys make
the decisions, as you all probably well know by now. :P
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Brent Eric Edwards
JEEEEEEZUS!
If you're in Canada, be SURE to let the pharmacutical companies know
about this law. They'll have a few LOUD things to say.
Folks, RL furs have existed for the past (about) five years. (I
don't have my reference in front of me.) A >few< of the ways they've
been used:
Mice have been implanted with a human immune system, for testing
new drugs.
Pigs are being given human skin, for burn victims.
A babboon's heart was implanted in a person in the late '80s.
An AIDS patient was given part of the immune system of an ape (I forget
which species) that does not get AIDS. (Does anyone have more information
about this one?)
Human insulin has been generated by microorganisms.
Sorry, folks -- in my opinion, restricting human-animal crossbreeds
would SEVERELY hurt Canada.
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Wanderer
> ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Brendan Smith) wrote in article
<4q4mlk$l...@tribune.usask.ca>...
> : Maybe someone in the government read that story "What bunnies are
> : for..." (see
> : ftp://avatar.snc.edu/pub/furry/stories/downloads/Misc/BUNNYMK2.ZIP if
> : you're curious what SciFi story I'm talking about... :/ )
No thanks, I read the promo. (And staying this naive is hard enough
without that story making it harder.;)
> : But the big question is: Who do we write about starting a
petition?
Unfortunately, being an American, I wouldn't know. But how about your
parliamentary representative?
> : And what are the chances of the bill actually passing and the idea
> : spreading to the US?
>
Passing ... well, it might. I wouldn't know which way to jump, with the
strange odds on that bet. Spreading to the US ... I'm afraid it's really
too late. Too late since the human/porcine crossed pigs that produce a
lot of the insulin used by the insulin-dependent diabetics ... and a few
types of lab rat used for growing human DNA ... and a few dozen more.:>
> Considering how much attention the US pays to Canada I'd be surprised if
> the issue ever came up. Just how many of 'em can name our Prime
Minister?
>
Sorry ... we did notice that secession argument, though.:)
Yours with an okay knowledge of French,
Le bon ami,
Wanderer
wand...@why.net
wand...@whytel.com
Ron Orr
Herman Miller <hmi...@io.com> wrote:
> ... the people who write the laws in the US don't speak
> English very well, and I'd be surprised if Canadian laws are any easier to
> understand.
They're harder; remember, they have to be written in English
_and_ French...and the two versions have to _agree_...
Ron
bilingually challenged Canadian
Wanderer
> edwa...@icemaker.cs.rpi.edu (Brent Eric Edwards) wrote in article
<4q6r3q$k...@icemaker.cs.rpi.edu>...
(snip, snip, snip .. )
> An AIDS patient was given part of the immune system of an ape (I forget
> which species) that does not get AIDS. (Does anyone have more
information
> about this one?)
Yep. He was given a bone marrow transplant, so (hopefully) his body would
be able to generate white blood cells again. While the transplant didn't
work out, it *did* improve his health some. I know about this because, on
my area's news, they're talking about the animal rights groups protesting
the operation.
Folks, I don't know about you, but I thought they were supposed to be
going for animal equality, not superiority.
Yours confusedly,
The multi-species friendly,
Wanderer
wand...@why.net
wand...@whytel.com
Richard Chandler
In article <01bb5f2c.229042e0$49fd...@wanderer.why.net>,
Wanderer <wand...@why.net> wrote:
>Folks, I don't know about you, but I thought they were supposed to be
>going for animal equality, not superiority.
Some Quotes from PETA:
"We sincerely believe that feeding children meat is a form of child abuse"
"Pet ownership is an abominable practice brought about by years of human
manipulation."
And the goodie from the founder: "Even if animal testing brought about a
cure for AIDS, we'd be against it." - Vogue, 1989.
(If I could access my work machine while I was netting, I'd be able to
insure the quotes were more precise, but the gist of them stuck with me
the moment I read them.)
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Scott Alan Malcomson
: (Brendan Smith) wrote:
: > Considering how much attention the US pays to Canada I'd be surprised if
: > the issue ever came up. Just how many of 'em can name our Prime Minister?
When the Canadian Prime Minister does something that affects America,
I'll pay attention to him. Until then, he means about as much to me as
the High Priest of Uganda...for much the same reasons.
Canadian ObFurry: does anyone other than myself enjoy the work
Canadian artist/author Dave Sim put in the now-long-defunct "Duck!"
comic? Come to think of it, Steve Leialoha's work in some of those issues
was utterly fabulous...
---LCD
Scott Alan Malcomson
Richard Chandler (mau...@teleport.com) wrote:
: Some Quotes from PETA:
: And the goodie from the founder: "Even if animal testing brought about a
More recently, an AIDS victim who was treated with transplanted baboon
bone marrow seems to be recovering somewhat...PETA immediately began a
protest, yelling that whatever recovery there was couldn't be traced to
the transplant, and that all AIDS-related animal testing must stop.
---LCD
kw...@astro.phys.unm.edu
In article <4qg9m3$5...@nadine.teleport.com>,
Richard Chandler <mau...@teleport.com> wrote:
>In article <01bb5f2c.229042e0$49fd...@wanderer.why.net>,
>Wanderer <wand...@why.net> wrote:
>>Folks, I don't know about you, but I thought they were supposed to be
>>going for animal equality, not superiority.
>
>Some Quotes from PETA:
>"We sincerely believe that feeding children meat is a form of child abuse"
>"Pet ownership is an abominable practice brought about by years of human
>manipulation."
>cure for AIDS, we'd be against it." - Vogue, 1989.
Proof that any idea can be reduced to assininity by making it a quasi-religion.
Interesting that PETA is against this because of their "religion" and some
parts of the fundamentalist community are against it because it is "playing
with God's handiwork".
I find it particularly interesting that the big new word from PETA et al is
that we can do all of this with computer simulations. Simulations which
they don't know the first thing about, and are totally inadequate to the task
they set. I used to work with a group doing simulations of the folding of
proteins (still an unsolved problem). If you can't even model the effects of
the surrounding solvation environment on the folding and activity of ONE
protein, you can't model all of the complex interactions of an entire organism.
But, since we are dealing with a quasi-religion that makes its own morality,
this becomes an "acceptable truth". This goes even further when the scientists
working on better simulations are demonized for saying the simulations aren't
good enough, presumably by being part of a conspiracy to continue very
expensive animal research, and keep themselves poor by never selling their
simulation methods.
Kyle L. Webb Dept. of Physics + Astronomy
kw...@astro.phys.unm.edu University of New Mexico
Hartree Fox on Yiffnet #furry
Brendan Smith
Scott Alan Malcomson (hors...@indirect.com) wrote:
: (Brendan Smith) wrote:
: > Considering how much attention the US pays to Canada I'd be surprised if
: > the issue ever came up. Just how many of 'em can name our Prime Minister?
: When the Canadian Prime Minister does something that affects America,
: I'll pay attention to him. Until then, he means about as much to me as
: the High Priest of Uganda...for much the same reasons.
Of course, it would be ludicrous to suggest that country like Canada
could actually do something that would affect the US. Oh, bye the way, did
you happen to catch that whole Cold war/SDI thing? Maybe you've heard of
Nafta? Know anything about Quebec separatists? Might be time to start
keeping an eye on that High Priest... :)
Brendan Smith | ac...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca | Saskatoon, SK
aka GhostFox | www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ac375/GhostDen.html | Canada
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Scott Alan Malcomson
kw...@astro.phys.unm.edu wrote:
: Proof that any idea can be reduced to assininity by making it a quasi-religion.
: Interesting that PETA is against this because of their "religion" and some
: parts of the fundamentalist community are against it because it is "playing
: with God's handiwork".
I usually deal with the fundies (being a Christian myself) by pointing
out that our domination of the food chain itself --- creating better
grains through cultivation and better food animals through breeding ---
is the result of "playing with God's handiwork". It never shuts them up,
but it usually drives them to end the conversation as quickly as possible.
-:>
---LCD