Disney's New Groove
Akai
>
> Gday furs!
> I like Disney's new groove, I like not being force-fed moovies, or beat
> to death with crappy merchandise. I think this moovie looks good, and I'm
> glad I have the option to actualy think that. And hey, David Spade! Looks
> like Disney opted for a new casting director to, (Rip Torn as Zuess? Who
> thought of that?)
From what I've been reading about "The Emperor's New Groove" over the
past few months, mostly on "Ain't it Cool News", there is a very good
reason that Disney is being quiet about this film.
Namely, they have no confidence in it. It was rewritten multiple times,
it's title has been changed more than once, and reportedly Michael
Eisner hates it. Not that he's and artist by any stretch of the
imagination, but not a good sign.
I've seen more lengthy ads for the film at the Disney store and in the
theater and....I dunno. It looks bad. Possibly worse than "Hercules". I
mean, WTF does "groove" have to do with Aztec culture? Someone tell me
this. And there's this scene of Llama being chased through the jungle by
a mob of panthers that reminds me a lot of a baboon chase scene from
"Tarzan". Is it intentional or are they running out of ideas?
And David Spade? Chris Farley's conjoined twin in so many bad films?
Maybe I'm not being fair and he is really a capable actor but I've got a
bad feeling about this.
> --
> -Joshua
>
> I support Stith
>
> "Those who preach hate, aren't speaking on my Behalf"
> -God
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-Akai
"Life is like nothing, because it is everything."
-William Golding
Joshua Knode
First of all, I'm trying to lessen my typos, might miss a few, so Be
nice!
I hate to admit it on this group, but I'd always had a kind of natural
loathing towards Disney. It's kind of a combination of thier
Microwsoft-like monopoly over the animation world, thier poorly made kiddie
movies about sprots teams, or the way they wasted Jim Cummings talent in the
Lion king, (One line? Whinnie the Pooh Deserves better). I do know the one
thing that burns my Bacon the most, is the fact that the market every last
animated moovie they make as "The best animated speactacle of all time" or
similar words. I'm sorry guys, but you can only have ONE best moovie, and
beauty and the beast still holds that title as far as I'm concerned.
Mind you, I don't have anything agaist the movies, I love most of them,
it's just they can't admit that they ever made one single "average" moovie!
They cram everyhting they make down your throat with cheap merchandise,
three dozen "Behind the scenes of. . ." Shows, makeing everything they make
looke like a history makeing step in the animation world. In the end,
poeple are going to see "Mulan" Or "Huchback of Notere Dame" thirty times
not beiaces they like it, but becuase they were told to like it by billions
of dollars in advertiseing. "See it today, or your children will hate you"
I gotta hand it to the disney add poeple, if they worked for Shada Fantasy
Arts Mike Curtis would be in bermuda now, at his sixty-two room summer
house, lounging on a huge pile of money negotiateing the twenty-third
animated musical feature staring Terri and Shanda.
However, a refreshing change some on the horizon. A while back,
someone posted a story about the new disney flick, "The emporer's New
groove" and something inside of me rejected the idea of Disney movie not
being cramed down my throat with a ramrod six months before it's finished.
However, this thanksgiving I was wathicng the Sci-Fi channel's Indian Jones
Marthon I saw one. . .tiny. . .comertial. It was hardly ten seconds long,
and in the entire seven hour amrathon, that was the ONLY one I saw. This is
the only advertiseing I've EVER seen for it, other than a one page add in PC
gamer for the video game! Did Disney turn over a new leaf? I want to see
this mobvie now just becuase Disney didn't make me!
I like Disney's new groove, I like not being force-fed moovies, or beat
to death with crappy merchandise. I think this moovie looks good, and I'm
glad I have the option to actualy think that. And hey, David Spade! Looks
like Disney opted for a new casting director to, (Rip Torn as Zuess? Who
thought of that?)
DishRoom1
>From what I've been reading about "The Emperor's New Groove" over the
>past few months, mostly on "Ain't it Cool News", there is a very good
>reason that Disney is being quiet about this film.
>
>Namely, they have no confidence in it. It was rewritten multiple times,
>it's title has been changed more than once, and reportedly Michael
>Eisner hates it. Not that he's and artist by any stretch of the
>imagination, but not a good sign.
>I've seen more lengthy ads for the film at the Disney store and in the
>theater and....I dunno. It looks bad. Possibly worse than "Hercules". I
>mean, WTF does "groove" have to do with Aztec culture? Someone tell me
>this.
I have no clue about it either. On an earlier post about this film, someone
wrote that at an early screening test someone just suggested the title should
be "The Emperor's New Groove". When you think a bit about it, it sounds more
like the title to some gansta' hip-hop rap than of a Disney animated movie.
There's a big chance once the movie is released we may find nowhere in the
story there is no "new groove" or like like showing up.
> And there's this scene of Llama being chased through the jungle by
>a mob of panthers that reminds me a lot of a baboon chase scene from
>"Tarzan". Is it intentional or are they running out of ideas?
>
If so, then at least "Emperor" will join other animated movies this year that
were too unoriginal. Disney's computer-made movie "Dinosaurs" was said to be
lazily borrowing from "The Lion King" and other Disney cartoons. And some
people complained that 21 Centruy Fox's dud "Titan AE" was a big patchwork of
other sci-fi movies. (I didn't notice enough of what "Titan" may have stole
from others, but I was concerned about it's plot holes.)
>And David Spade? Chris Farley's conjoined twin in so many bad films?
>Maybe I'm not being fair and he is really a capable actor but I've got a
>bad feeling about this.
>
Have you ever heard his voice? Unless the cartoon is a satire of some kind or a
comedy, his voice may not fit in well.
J. Shughart
aka Jetstone Tigre
Joshua Knode
> it's title has been changed more than once, and reportedly Michael
> Eisner hates it. Not that he's and artist by any stretch of the
> imagination, but not a good sign.
>
Whew, I guess that would be a good reason not to cram it down someone's
throat. I personaly loath Disney's new "Squach and Stretch" style as
opposed to their old realist style. Why did they change it? Who knows.
> I've seen more lengthy ads for the film at the Disney store and in the
> theater and....I dunno. It looks bad. Possibly worse than "Hercules". I
> mean, WTF does "groove" have to do with Aztec culture? Someone tell me
> this. And there's this scene of Llama being chased through the jungle by
> a mob of panthers that reminds me a lot of a baboon chase scene from
> "Tarzan". Is it intentional or are they running out of ideas?
Disney's known for being historicly inacurate. I laughed audibly at
some scenes in Mulan, like the "Hun" leader carrying a sword from India when
Huns and Indians didn't have contact for another few thousand years. Or
how about the incredibly poor military tactics, (Gee, we're being charged by
calvary, so let's drop our spears and draw our sword,)
I think disney's ran oiut of original ideas since the sixties as far as
their plots, how many animated disney movies can you name that don't end
with a wedding? How many inolve a young person nobody understands? The one
slight difference from the norm "The Lion King" Is a blatant ripoff of Kima
the white lion. Thier movies are very well animated and the voice
performers are great, but Disney dousn't put that mutch money into thier
writing department.
>
> And David Spade? Chris Farley's conjoined twin in so many bad films?
> Maybe I'm not being fair and he is really a capable actor but I've got a
> bad feeling about this.
Actualy he had a career long before Chris Farley was the flavor of the
day. His association with Farley was what killed his career. He's still a
very talented actor, with a great voice.
R G
This looks to be a very poor movie. The plot is basically that a spoiled
young ruler pisses off a witch, who turns him into a llama. Then, he's left
in the wilderness to die, much like Snow White. Instead of finding dwarves,
however, he finds some run of the mill Joe and they become great friends.
Blah blah blah. Disney's day for making great movies ended with Pocahontas.
Lion King was the last great Disney movie, even if it was ripped off of a
Japanese cartoon series (Kimba the White Lion, which really didn't have much
to do with Lion King besides the Kimba/Simba coincedence). Aristocats is
still my favorite
Danath
"Watership Down: You read the book. You saw the movie. Now, eat the
stew!".
DishRoom1
>Whew, I guess that would be a good reason not to cram it down someone's
>throat. I personaly loath Disney's new "Squach and Stretch" style as
>opposed to their old realist style. Why did they change it? Who knows.
Well, I like the new flicks except for "Hercules", but I do agree that the more
realistic form of animation is superior to the slick slippery-strech mode most
often today's Disney cartoons since 1989. (And some recent Don Bluth movies as
well.) Martin Rosen's "Watership Down" and some Japanese amine proved animated
characters can be drawn and move about more realistic aura and be a great fun
movie. Exagreated style animation may be eye-catching, but the old realist mode
help suspend belief like the hand drawn characters aren't drawings. "Sin, The
Movie", the latest anime to be releasted in the US, was drawn andanimated in a
good style that lets you concentrate more on the characters and story.
> I think disney's ran oiut of original ideas since the sixties as far as
>their plots, how many animated disney movies can you name that don't end
>with a wedding? How many inolve a young person nobody understands? The one
>slight difference from the norm "The Lion King" Is a blatant ripoff of Kima
>the white lion. Thier movies are very well animated and the voice
>performers are great, but Disney dousn't put that mutch money into thier
>writing department.
>
>>
I remember how in the old movies there's always this old running gag of hitting
a character hard in the ass and he'd fall down on the ground. I began getting
tired of that.
Karl Xydexx Jorgensen
http://www.adcritic.com/content/movie-the-emperors-new-groove.html
(Hopefully it's not one of those movies where they put all the good
parts in the trailer.)
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Anthrofurry Infocenter:
http://www.xydexx.com/anthrofurry
Chuck Melville
Joshua Knode wrote:
> Mind you, I don't have anything agaist the movies, I love most of them,
> it's just they can't admit that they ever made one single "average" moovie!
> They cram everyhting they make down your throat with cheap merchandise,
> three dozen "Behind the scenes of. . ." Shows, makeing everything they make
> looke like a history makeing step in the animation world. In the end,
> poeple are going to see "Mulan" Or "Huchback of Notere Dame" thirty times
> not beiaces they like it, but becuase they were told to like it by billions
> of dollars in advertiseing. "See it today, or your children will hate you"
>
I don't get it. Who goes to see a movie simply because the advertising
says they should!? I generally take the ad as an announcement and make my own
decision on whether or not it sounds of interest to me. I saw Hunchback once
(thought it was okay, though parts of it were visually stunning), but saw MULAN
a few times because I really enjoyed it. Sounds to me like you simply have an
overreaction to Disney commercialization and haven't yet figured out how to
screen out the crap without dumping the baby with the bathwater.
>
> However, a refreshing change some on the horizon. A while back,
> someone posted a story about the new disney flick, "The emporer's New
> groove" and something inside of me rejected the idea of Disney movie not
> being cramed down my throat with a ramrod six months before it's finished.
> However, this thanksgiving I was wathicng the Sci-Fi channel's Indian Jones
> Marthon I saw one. . .tiny. . .comertial. It was hardly ten seconds long,
> and in the entire seven hour amrathon, that was the ONLY one I saw. This is
> the only advertiseing I've EVER seen for it, other than a one page add in PC
> gamer for the video game! Did Disney turn over a new leaf? I want to see
> this mobvie now just becuase Disney didn't make me!
>
I hate to say anything lest I rain on your expectations, but I've seen a
slew of commercials for the movie over the past week, on local stations. I
still intend to see it, because the animation looks spiffy and what I've seen
thus far is pretty funny.
>
> I like Disney's new groove, I like not being force-fed moovies, or beat
> to death with crappy merchandise. I think this moovie looks good, and I'm
> glad I have the option to actualy think that. And hey, David Spade! Looks
> like Disney opted for a new casting director to, (Rip Torn as Zuess? Who
> thought of that?)
>
...what was wrong with Rip Torn!?
Chuck Melville
Joshua Knode wrote:
> Whew, I guess that would be a good reason not to cram it down someone's
> throat. I personaly loath Disney's new "Squach and Stretch" style as
> opposed to their old realist style. Why did they change it? Who knows.
While I'm not in a position to speak for Disney's motives or actions, let
me nevertheless point out that Disney has been doing 'squash and stretch' all
along -- it's a basic staple in animation; motion wouldn't look believable if
it wasn't there, even the realistic animation. Nor is Disney a stranger to
'cartoon' animation (as opposed to 'realistic'), when you consider all the
Mouse, Goof and Duck shorts of years past. What they're doing is trying to
match the appropriate -style- animation to a project, just as they do with
matching the appropriate style art. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
What's suitable to BAMBI or LION KING doesn't really work in ROBIN HOOD, and
vice-versa. HERCULES, although a miss, was still a great looking film in my
personal estimation; I know several folks didn't like the stylized art, but I
did, and I thought the choice of Ronald Searle (well known magazine cartoonist)
was a brilliant choice. I'd fault the film on a number of other points, but
not the art style or animation.
>
> I think disney's ran oiut of original ideas since the sixties as far as
> their plots, how many animated disney movies can you name that don't end
> with a wedding? How many inolve a young person nobody understands? The one
> slight difference from the norm "The Lion King" Is a blatant ripoff of Kima
> the white lion.
Not to revive a dead argument... but no, it's not. I've read the KIMBA
manga and apart from the fact both stories involve lion cubs, there is no
similarity. LK owes more to HAMLET and the mythological Hero Cycle.
DishRoom1
>Joshua Knode wrote:
>
>> Whew, I guess that would be a good reason not to cram it down someone's
>> throat. I personaly loath Disney's new "Squach and Stretch" style as
>> opposed to their old realist style. Why did they change it? Who knows.
>While I'm not in a position to speak for Disney's motives or actions, let
>me nevertheless point out that Disney has been doing 'squash and stretch' all
>along -- it's a basic staple in animation; motion wouldn't look believable if
>it wasn't there, even the realistic animation. Nor is Disney a stranger to
>'cartoon' animation (as opposed to 'realistic'), when you consider all the
>Mouse, Goof and Duck shorts of years past. What they're doing is trying to
>match the appropriate -style- animation to a project, just as they do with
>matching the appropriate style art. Sometimes it works, sometimes it
>don't.
>What's suitable to BAMBI or LION KING doesn't really work in ROBIN HOOD, and
>vice-versa. HERCULES, although a miss, was still a great looking film in my
>personal estimation; I know several folks didn't like the stylized art, but I
>did, and I thought the choice of Ronald Searle (well known magazine
>cartoonist)
>was a brilliant choice. I'd fault the film on a number of other points, but
>not the art style or animation.
>
Brillant lesson in animation art. The "Squish and Strech" animation has been
around since the early days of animated movies to make them more livelier and
believable. Joshua has to watch some classic Mickey Mouse cartoons to find that
the 'cartoony' style of animation is neither new nor does it flaw the movie.
And I wasn't just Disney that sometimes used 'cartoony' animation. Look at the
old Warner Bros. Looneytoons and MGM cartoons (like Tom and Jerry) were they
too were cartoony. Did that make them inferior in any way?
Realistic animation is OK, depending on what the story is. "Watership Down",
"The Plauge Dogs", and certain Japanese anime put realistic animation to good
use because of their non-cartoony dramatic stories. But you have too be careful
with realism. What works for "Snow White" and "Cinderella" cannot work in
"Oliver & Co." or a classic Donald Duck cartoon, like Chuck said.
Animation, like all art forms, is open to expermentation and to different
styles and textures. I'm open to all forms of cartoon animation, except for the
Saturday Morning Cartoons over the past 40 years with rushed storytelling and
shoestring cheap 'style' to animation, and the more recent Gross-Out cartoon
shows on cable.
>> I think disney's ran oiut of original ideas since the sixties as far
>as
>> their plots, how many animated disney movies can you name that don't end
>> with a wedding? How many inolve a young person nobody understands? The
>one
>> slight difference from the norm "The Lion King" Is a blatant ripoff of Kima
>> the white lion.
>
> Not to revive a dead argument... but no, it's not. I've read the KIMBA
>manga and apart from the fact both stories involve lion cubs, there is no
>similarity. LK owes more to HAMLET and the mythological Hero Cycle.
I don't believe in the buzz that the Lion King was plagerized from another
cartoon, although I have never saw or read Kimba. I mean, the Disney company
itself have been protective of the copyrights over its own cartoons; all from
sueing the Oscars one time for having an actress in a Snow White costume
porforming in a chessy musical number without permission, to a case in the
early 1970s involving pornographic T-shirts of Disney characters. This seems
out of character for Disney to rip-off another studio's animation.
When it made "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" with Steven Speilberg, it asked
permission from other studios like Warner Brothers and MGM to use their cartoon
characters as cameos for the movie.
DishRoom1
>Joshua Knode wrote:
>
>> Mind you, I don't have anything agaist the movies, I love most of
>them,
>> it's just they can't admit that they ever made one single "average" moovie!
>> They cram everyhting they make down your throat with cheap merchandise,
>> three dozen "Behind the scenes of. . ." Shows, makeing everything they make
>> looke like a history makeing step in the animation world. In the end,
>> poeple are going to see "Mulan" Or "Huchback of Notere Dame" thirty times
>> not beiaces they like it, but becuase they were told to like it by billions
>> of dollars in advertiseing. "See it today, or your children will hate you"
>>
>
> I don't get it. Who goes to see a movie simply because the advertising
>says they should!? I generally take the ad as an announcement and make my
>own
>decision on whether or not it sounds of interest to me. I saw Hunchback once
>(thought it was okay, though parts of it were visually stunning), but saw
>MULAN
>a few times because I really enjoyed it. Sounds to me like you simply have
>an
>overreaction to Disney commercialization and haven't yet figured out how to
>screen out the crap without dumping the baby with the bathwater.
>
May I add my 2 cents to the fire? Disney's cartoons aren't the only ones that
get the hype machine. Remember "Star Wars I: The Phantom Manence"? The
live-action "Batman" movies? The live-action "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"?
"Pokémon"? They all ran on this razor-hype "Movie-of-A-Lifetime" ad campain.
It's not just Disney, It's Hollywood. Thye all want you to watch their movies
so they can get lots of dough in their bank accounts.
Besides, it's neccessary for a film to get enough ads to get pounded into your
skull so that you'll remember the movie and might see it. Remember when Warner
Brothers came out with a film with "The Iron Giant"? They decided to tone down
on the amount of advertisement and the movie tanked at the box office.
Doug Winger
(DishRoom1) wrote:
> I don't believe in the buzz that the Lion King was plagerized from another
> cartoon, although I have never saw or read Kimba. I mean, the Disney
> company
> itself have been protective of the copyrights over its own cartoons; all
> from
> sueing the Oscars one time for having an actress in a Snow White costume
> porforming in a chessy musical number without permission, to a case in the
> early 1970s involving pornographic T-shirts of Disney characters. This
> seems
> out of character for Disney to rip-off another studio's animation.
> When it made "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" with Steven Speilberg, it asked
> permission from other studios like Warner Brothers and MGM to use their
> cartoon
> characters as cameos for the movie.
Whoo. You've never met Der Maus in his house, have you? Ask folks that have
had dealings with the various DIsney departments, and about some of the tales
they've heard first hand. Oh, and be sure to ask about the Legal department
there, too. I'll hand you Radio Ahhhz to investigate first. As for the Lion
King/Kimba thing; several people from Disney officially denying that they'd
ever seen, let alone ever heard of, Tezuka's works after having been earlier
interviewed and blithely stating that they thought the Good Doctor's work in
animation inspiring, strikes me as being more than a little fishy.
Just because the studio is protective of _its_ properties doesn't mean it
isn't willing to indulge in a little looting and pillaging when it can. They
have a lot of lawyers, and know how to use 'em, y'know.
While I have to admit that I've heard nothing that would make me believe that
such behavior is intrinistic to the studio and an offical company policy, I've
heard- and experienced- enough to know that they're not all quite the
shiny-bright, honest and forthright folks Walt knew.
- Doug
William Earl Haskell
> Joshua Knode wrote:
> >
> > Gday furs!
>
> > I like Disney's new groove, I like not being force-fed moovies, or beat
> > to death with crappy merchandise. I think this moovie looks good, and I'm
> > glad I have the option to actualy think that. And hey, David Spade! Looks
> > like Disney opted for a new casting director to, (Rip Torn as Zuess? Who
> > thought of that?)
>
> From what I've been reading about "The Emperor's New Groove" over the
> past few months, mostly on "Ain't it Cool News", there is a very good
> reason that Disney is being quiet about this film.
>
> Namely, they have no confidence in it. It was rewritten multiple times,
> it's title has been changed more than once, and reportedly Michael
> Eisner hates it. Not that he's and artist by any stretch of the
> imagination, but not a good sign.
This one has "straight to video" written all over it, assuming they don't bury
someplace out in the desert first.
> I've seen more lengthy ads for the film at the Disney store and in the
> theater and....I dunno. It looks bad. Possibly worse than "Hercules". I
> mean, WTF does "groove" have to do with Aztec culture? Someone tell me
> this.
The only "groove" associated with the Aztecs that comes to mind would be the one
running around the edge of the sacrificial shrine, for collecting the blood.
Wasn't this supposed to be about the Incas, though? <shrug> Close enough for
guv'mint work, I guess...
> And there's this scene of Llama being chased through the jungle by
> a mob of panthers that reminds me a lot of a baboon chase scene from
> "Tarzan". Is it intentional or are they running out of ideas?
They needed to throw in a car chase there, but the script held them back.
Having the spent the past Thanxgiving weekend visiting relatives with small
children, and therefore was exposed to quite a lot of the most recent animated
cartoons, I can say YES they are running out of ideas - all of the studios. They
should quit while they're behind - or until they stop repeating themselves & get
some new stories. Or at least stories that involve something more than <clenches
jaws> explosions and shrill screams.
> And David Spade? Chris Farley's conjoined twin in so many bad films?
> Maybe I'm not being fair and he is really a capable actor but I've got a
> bad feeling about this.
<beats the drum slowly>
Hannah Kincaid
> > I think disney's ran oiut of original ideas since the sixties as far as
> > their plots, how many animated disney movies can you name that don't end
> > with a wedding? How many inolve a young person nobody understands? The one
> > the white lion.
>
> Not to revive a dead argument... but no, it's not. I've read the KIMBA
> manga and apart from the fact both stories involve lion cubs, there is no
> similarity. LK owes more to HAMLET and the mythological Hero Cycle.
Both stories involve lion cubs. Hmm. You know, according to a Tezuka fan
page,
Kimba was first shown in the United States in 1966. That same year, a
Columbia
picture called "Born Free" also made its debut. Clearly, this conspiracy
has
roots deeper than we could have imagined. ;P
Come on, Chuck, I agree with you that there's really no good evidence of
deliberate plagiarism here, but you can't seriously claim that Lion King
and The
Jungle Emperor have no more than a couple of lion cubs in common. For
readers
who want a less dismissive summary of the Disney/Tezuka debate, there
are
supporting documents at
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/Tezuka_Disney/Tezuka_Disney.html.
Personally, I'm not at all convinced that there was any deliberate
wrongdoing,
but the two have enough in common that I think it's fair to say there
was at _least_ a case of cryptomnesia at work here. Here's a list of
common
elements borrowed from the 12/24/1999 Straight Dope column
(http://www.straightdope.com/columns/991224.html):
1) kingdom of talking non-anthro animals ruled by lions
2) hero's father killed under treacherous circumstances
3) annoying busybody bird sidekick
4) wise but eccentric baboon
5) cute girlfriend cub
6) villainous hyenas
7) name similarity (Kimba/Simba)
8) villains with one missing/wounded eye
9) scene with cub seeing father's face in clouds
10) heroic pose of lion on jutting rock
Granted, none of these are especially incriminating--it doesn't take an
animation genius to pair lions and hyenas off, just somebody who's seen
one nature
documentary, and almost _every_ Disney flick has a love interest... But
#10 is at
least worthy of comment--what are the chances that the most familiar
image from
the Lion King would precisely resemble a frame from a manga to which it
has "no
similarity"? This is in addition to the fact that Disney _lied_ about
its
animators having no familiarity with the Tezuka series--when interviewed
by the
San Francisco Chronicle, three of them admitted to having seen the
Tezuka series.
Is this evidence of plagiarism? No, Chuck's probably right. I'm not
intensely
familiar with Jungle Emperor, but I've read plot summaries and there's
not much
similarity between the plots--among other things, the Japanese series
has some
funky Buddhist subplot about the prince trying to convince other
carnivores to go
vegetarian. There are similarities, but just enough that Disney could
have
gotten away with calling it a Tezuka homage if they really cared. I
think it was
Disney's utter disinterest and probably dishonesty about even the
superficial
resemblance that really touched off the anime fans. Anyhow, I'm not an
animation
expert and I'd welcome correction by anybody with better information. I
just
thought I'd gently nudge Chuck into admitting there is more of a ground
for debate
than he's admitting, if not much more...
While we're on the topic, I hazily remember Watts Martin telling a story
at a con
panel about a top Disney executive making a pronouncement along the
lines of,
"No more damned animal movies!" shortly before LK was released. The
story involved
something about another exec coming into the studio and telling the
animators
he'd kiss their studio's floor if LK made more then $50 million. Does
anybody else
know anything about this story, and can you confirm or deny it? Thanks!
--Kincaid (post...@hotbot.com)
Chuck Melville
Hannah Kincaid wrote:
>
I'd say for the most part they were pretty superficial similarities -- I don't
recall any bird sidekick or babboon in the manga I've read or the very few cartoons
I've actually seen, and the Simba/Kimba name similarity comes from the fact they
were both taken from the Swahili word for lion: simba. What the list overlooks is
the vast -dis-sisimilarities between the two films: -Both- of Kimba's parents die;
Kimba is raised in America and taught to speak and walk upright; Kimba creates an
ultramodern city deep in the jungles, populated by animals; Kimba has to contend
with the hunter who killed his father and caged his mother. Kimba, in short, is a
totally different story. LK swipes directly from Shakespeare (Hamlet) and Joseph
Campbell (Mythology).
>
> I
> think it was
> Disney's utter disinterest and probably dishonesty about even the
> superficial
> resemblance that really touched off the anime fans.
I'd be willing to bet that the Disney spokespeople were the ones who'd probably
never heard of Kimba, unaware that the animators probably had, and were unwilling
to admit their mistake and lose face.
H. Riesen
William Earl Haskell wrote in message <3A235042...@hal-pc.org>...
>> I've seen more lengthy ads for the film at the Disney store and in the
>> theater and....I dunno. It looks bad. Possibly worse than "Hercules". I
>> mean, WTF does "groove" have to do with Aztec culture? Someone tell me
>> this.
>
>The only "groove" associated with the Aztecs that comes to mind would be
the one
>running around the edge of the sacrificial shrine, for collecting the
blood.
>
>Wasn't this supposed to be about the Incas, though? <shrug> Close enough
for
>guv'mint work, I guess...
>
From what I've read, they have a very convenient way of getting around this:
It's a "mythical" culture :)
I think it looks worse with each successive trailer, too... (but I can't
help hoping for a cute stuffed llama).
Farlo
>I think it looks worse with each successive trailer, too... (but I can't
>help hoping for a cute stuffed llama).
Me, and my LLllllaaaama,
strolling down the ave-nue ...
--
Farlo
Urban fey dragon
It takes two posters for an argument.
If no one answered your posts, ever,
would you keep posting?
m>^_^<m
Juan F. Lara
should read this column on Disney that a guy named Jim Hill writes for
mouseplanet.com:
http://www.mouseplanet.com/jim/oct0900.htm
and
http://www.mouseplanet.com/jim/dec0600.htm
Also, I don't think anyone has mentioned this before on alt.fan.furry.:
After production on this show crashed and burned the director that ultimately
wound up with the project was Mark Dindal. He's the director of "Cats Don't
Dance". From what I've heard from people who've seen the film the gags and
pacing in "Groove" are a lot like CDD. ( That gag in the commercials where the
Emperor/Llama had a run-in with a smart-ass squirrel felt a lot like a CDD
gag. ). Also, there are no songs or annoying sidekicks in the film. ( Stuff
like that got 86'ed once Dindal took over. )
- Juan F. Lara
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~jfl/intro.html