Gen's thoughts on the artshow
Terry Whittier
Gensiscook (gensi...@aol.com) wrote:
: This isn't about the ARTSHOW per-se as much as the bidders.
: I've had three people so far come up to me and say that they had placed
: the final bids on some of my pieces, guarded them until the show closed..
: and then later learned that someone snuck in after the bell and wrote down
: bids.
I think we are talking about people's faulty memories. The system the
art show is using works fine. I really don't think someone got in AFTER
the bell and made another bid. Besides, you always have the option of
planting your feet in front of your bid and insisting that the sheet be
marked before you leave.
It's too easy for someone to forget exactly what they bid on and how
much. That's why the art show provided forms for you to use in tracking
your bids.
Even keeping careful records, I sometimes make a mistake.
At least, you can always inspect the bid sheet and see the last bid on
it. If you are keeping careful records for your bids and can demonstrate
that, the art show will be more inclined to take you seriously and look
into the matter.
HEY! Let's stop circulating and encouraging rumors. The art show does a
fine job and they don't need people cutting them down at every chance.
You don't like the job they did? Well, you can do it yourself, next time.
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Darren J. Hanson
On 24 Jan 1997 05:41:45 GMT, gensi...@aol.com (Gensiscook) wrote:
>This isn't about the ARTSHOW per-se as much as the bidders.
Yeah, I know. Every year there are complaints about how somebody was
SURE that they were the highest bidder, but didn't get the piece. I
can see a couple of reasons for this, and I'm sure that they ALL apply
to at least some cases....
1) Person really WASN'T the last bidder. I've spoken to people who
were sure that they had the high bid who were standing next to a
different piece when the art show closed. While they were "guarding"
their second piece, somebody else bid on the first one.
2) Their final "high" bid was the fifth bid and the piece went to
auction. I'm amazed how many people each year don't seem to understand
this concept. If a bid sheet gets filled with bids, it goes to
auction. (Next year we may have to explain this to one of the Art Show
directors who "punished" one fan by not letting a piece he was bidding
on go to auction because he put all 5 bids on it himself.)
3) Somebody may have gotten past security to bid on a piece after the
person complaining stepped away. This year this was compounded by
Jazmyn letting people back into the Art Show after Security had
initially swept the room. Normally we try to keep this to an absolute
minimum, but there ARE some dishonest people in the world. I just hate
admitting that some of them attend ConFURence.
As an unrelated aside, there is one other type of bidding after the
final bell that has gone on. Occassionally there are pieces that Art
Show staff and/or Security want that were never bid on by the time the
show closes. If, and ONLY if, the piece is for sale but received NO
bids, staff will occassionally place a bid and buy the piece. As the
pieces in question would have been returned unsold to the artist, and
no existing bids are affected by this practice (not to mention its
rarity) I do not personally see it as a problem.
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Dr. Skorzy MacFarlaighn
Gensiscook wrote:
> I've had three people so far come up to me and say that they had placed
> the final bids on some of my pieces, guarded them until the show closed..
> and then later learned that someone snuck in after the bell and wrote down
> bids.
I guess this entirely depends on how the artshow "closes". First, I
didn't attend CF8, so I have no idea how they closed the artshow. But
most artshows I have seen usually "police" line the artshow and
literally squeeze everyone out of the room. As the staff line passes
your piece, you can rest easy.
I seriously doubt any of the artshow staff would do something as
unethical as "stealing" artworks by marking their own bids after the
bell. (By this, I didn't mean to imply that you suggested this!
However, I've heard grumblings and suspicions in the past that this
might've happened.) I also doubt the artshow would allow somebody to
sneak in...unless they weren't being careful.
> Another person (and I have no idea if this was intentional or not) wrote
> down bids on two of my pieces... each of them at first glance looking like
> they had placed $75 bids on each piece... when in actuality they were only
> $15 dollar bids. This scared many people who were going to bid on some of
> my pieces. PLEASE write your bids clearly.
*chuckle* I've worked (and still do) with alot of Italian nationals in
the Lab. When they write a "1", it looks exactly like a "7". Their
sevens have a crosshatch across its middle. It confused me for a long
time until I figured out the system.
Probably has no purpose here...but offered for anybody's edification.
My guess is that writing on the bid sheet really isn't "easy" (no hard
backing), so people tend to get sloppy. However, its their
responsibility.
The rule should be quite simple. If it can't be CLEARLY interpreted by
the Artshow staff, its a null bid and disqualified. Period. That
should clear alot of the bad penmanship on these bid sheets!
> If you do this because you're not able to attend the art auction, then ask
> someone who is to bid for you. Give them your bidder number, tell them
> how high you're willing to go, and let them bid for you.
Not always doable for those that travel to the con and have a plane to
catch...
> Next year at CF9, I'll PERSONALLY be guarding my artwork. If you want to
> sneak in a bid after the show closes you'll have to get past me. And I
> can be VERY unplesant when I want to be :)
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Dr. Skorzy MacFarlaighn
Gensiscook wrote:
should clear alot of the bad penmanship on this bid sheets!
> If you do this because youauauauauable to attend the art auction, then ask
Karl Meyer
: I've had three people so far come up to me and say that they had placed
: the final bids on some of my pieces, guarded them until the show closed..
: and then later learned that someone snuck in after the bell and wrote down
: bids.
That sorta sucks. I know there were art show staff wandering around with
orange highlighting pens to mark last bids. I made sure the did this on
the art I had last bid on before leaving. I'm sorry this happened and it's
even more stupid because you take comissions at pretty reasonable rates.
If somebody wanted a piece of yours that bad they could get it
legitimately that way.
Gensiscook
> I think we are talking about people's faulty memories. The system the
>art show is using works fine. I really don't think someone got in AFTER
>the bell and made another bid.
I'd normally think that.. were it not for the fact that someone tried to
do it right in front of me at the con. The bell had rung, the show was
closed, and I was plesantly chatting with someone in front of my panels.
Someone suddenly rushed up and tried to place a late bid on a picture I'd
done. We stopped him... but left a few moments later. For all I know
that person waited for us to leave (the show was closed.. but nobody was
being asked to leave yet, and I had a dealers table to watch) ran up, and
wrote his bid down anyway.
>You don't like the job they did? Well, you can do it yourself, next time.
As I said in my previous post... I intend to. Although I'm not too keen
on doing the work of a staff that eats up 10% of my artshow profits. I
made $700, which means $70 of that is going to the con; how do you feel
about having to do the work for someone you paid to do for you? Maybe if
I have to perform my own security work I should ask for that percentage
back.
As an alternate soloution. I'd like to reccomend that next year the staff
close the art show section by section. And not let anyone into a section
after it's closed. that way you can get EVERYONE out in a nice orderely
way and KEEP the people out.
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In <whittierE...@netcom.com> whit...@netcom.com (Terry Whittier)
writes:
>Gensiscook (gensi...@aol.com) wrote:
>: This isn't about the ARTSHOW per-se as much as the bidders.
>
>: I've had three people so far come up to me and say that they had
placed
>: the final bids on some of my pieces, guarded them until the show
closed..
>: and then later learned that someone snuck in after the bell and
wrote down
>: bids.
>
the
>art show is using works fine. I really don't think someone got in
AFTER
>planting your feet in front of your bid and insisting that the sheet
be
>marked before you leave.
>
losing one of her pieces to a late bidder, I know that I had the last
(and only) bid on her piece called "Teen Dragon" and I sat on that
piece until security pushed me out and closed off the aera. So I know
for a fact that I had the last legal bid on that piece,
My only conselation is that I was at least able to get the other piece
of Gen's that I bid on called "Gong Dragon"
James.
It's too easy for someone to forget exactly what they bid on and how
>much. That's why the art show provided forms for you to use in
tracking
>your bids.
> Even keeping careful records, I sometimes make a mistake.
> At least, you can always inspect the bid sheet and see the last bid
on
>it. If you are keeping careful records for your bids and can
demonstrate
>that, the art show will be more inclined to take you seriously and
look
>into the matter.
>
> HEY! Let's stop circulating and encouraging rumors. The art show
does a
>fine job and they don't need people cutting them down at every chance.
>You don't like the job they did? Well, you can do it yourself, next
time.
cmelv...@aol.com
In article <32e92f3c...@news.calweb.com>, djha...@calweb.com wrote:
>Next year we may have to explain this to one of the Art Show
>directors who "punished" one fan by not letting a piece he was bidding
>on go to auction because he put all 5 bids on it himself.
I believe that matter has already been resolved, hasn't it? I
believe there's been a couple of posts about that already.
>As an unrelated aside, there is one other type of bidding after the
>final bell that has gone on. Occassionally there are pieces that Art
>Show staff and/or Security want that were never bid on by the time the
>show closes. If, and ONLY if, the piece is for sale but received NO
>bids, staff will occassionally place a bid and buy the piece. As the
>pieces in question would have been returned unsold to the artist, and
>no existing bids are affected by this practice (not to mention its
>rarity) I do not personally see it as a problem.
>__
Under -those- conditions, I don't have a problem either. That's a
bit different than the rumor Bastet had apparently heard.
Brian Henderson
djha...@calweb.com (Darren J. Hanson) wrote:
>2) Their final "high" bid was the fifth bid and the piece went to
>auction. I'm amazed how many people each year don't seem to understand
>this concept. If a bid sheet gets filled with bids, it goes to
>auction. (Next year we may have to explain this to one of the Art Show
>directors who "punished" one fan by not letting a piece he was bidding
>on go to auction because he put all 5 bids on it himself.)
On a somewhat related note, I wish someone would explain to artists
what the "After Auction Price" really is. Guys, this is the price
you're willing to sell the piece for after the final auction if it
receives *NO* bids, ie. so you don't have to drag it home. Therefore,
this price should *NEVER* be more than the minimum bid, but normally
less. I keep seeing artists putting twice the minimum bid in that
slot and then having to take it home.
-Brian
Zhora
That is absolutely ridiculous, and certainly NOT the norm in any of the
furry art shows or the anime art shows I have been in. What you're
telling me is if I put a piece in the show with a minimum bid of $10
when the piece is ACTUALLY worth *at least* $20 I should take a bigger
loss by selling it for *less* than $10 if it gets no bids, versus taking
it home and putting it in another show where I may very well make money
on it??? No way, uh uh - I'll take it home and stick it on MY wall for
that!
What the 'after auction price' should reflect is the actual value of the
piece should it have been directly sold. Unfortunately, CF8 did not
provide for an 'after auction' sale, unlike the anime shows I've been in
which allowed people in to buy the remaining pieces during the auction.
Having it be a 'quick sale/immediate sale' price, however, would be a
better idea. This would cut down on the number of pieces going to
auction, as well.
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In article <32EA94...@pioneer.net>, Zhora <Zh...@pioneer.net> wrote:
>
>What the 'after auction price' should reflect is the actual value of the
>piece should it have been directly sold. Unfortunately, CF8 did not
>provide for an 'after auction' sale, unlike the anime shows I've been in
>which allowed people in to buy the remaining pieces during the auction.
>Having it be a 'quick sale/immediate sale' price, however, would be a
>better idea. This would cut down on the number of pieces going to
>auction, as well.
>--
Preliminary remark: I've been attending SF cons and working art shows for
close to 20 years. Some things work the same, no matter what.
At least as I define the term, 'quick sale' is a price for which the buyer
can basically take the piece off the wall, pay for it and leave. While
you are correct that it has advantages, it is a high probability that the
artist loses money and exposure. It rewards those with enough money to
get to the con early and penalizes those who don't/can't.
How? Simple. Look at it from the buyer's point of view. If the minimum
bid is $5 and the quick sale price is $50, why should I pay the higher
amount? Because I know that the piece will sell for more. How can I know
that? Realistically, only one way: I myself would pay more for it. So,
the artist now knows that the piece was worth that much. It was probably
worth more, but how much more they'll never know.
The artist loses exposure because the owner may not be willing to leave
his/her property in the art show under security they may not consider
adequate. If the owner removes it, one of the artist's better pieces is
no longer on display.
Rewarding the early arrivals with money? In a quick sale operation, it's
first come, first served. I can't buy it on Saturday if it's already been
sold on Friday.
Quick sale does have advantages for those who have to leave the con early,
admittedly.
Like most things in life, it's a balancing act. Quick sale has good
points and bad points. The one person at the con who may want a certain
piece may have to leave Sunday morning, before the auction. In general,
though, the cons I've worked here on the East Coast that did use quick
sale years ago have stopped using it. They saw it adding work to their
already-overworked volunteers and not resulting in a notable increase in
sales.
YMMV.
Charlie
(PS Some of the above applies to sale after auction as well. Why should I
take the chance of bidding on a piece and losing it at auction if I can
get in line and grab it quickly after the show closes?)
c.groark
In article <5ce62a$g...@news3.realtime.net>, Dr. Cat <c...@bga.com> wrote:
> (Much snipped)
> But an
>after-auction price BELOW the minimum bid actively discourages me from
>bidding, because I am tempted to gamble on a chance of getting a bargain and
>actually paying less!
Amen, Dr. Cat. I've just posted a note about quick sale and its
disadvantages, but you summed it up perfectly: Why bid on the piece if I
can get it cheaper than that after the auction?
>And also I've seen artists set their
>minimum bids scandalously low to increase their chances of going to auction,
>even as low as one dollar, and you would NOT want to make that the
>after-auction price. I saw a Vicky Wyman original centaur with a minimum
>bid of a dollar a year or two ago, and NO bids, and my plane left sunday so
>I wouldn't be around long enough to pick it up if I bid on it! Wish I'd dug
>up someone to do that for me...
>
Vicky's infamous for that. Here on the East Coast, it's referred to as
the Boskone Gambit; a reference to the Boston SF convention that at one
time required ten written bids to go to voice auction. In roughly twenty
years, I think I've gotten a grand total of two Wymans for minimum bid.
The one thing to remember about auctions, written or voice, is that it
gets the most money for the seller that the people present are willing to
pay.
>
>(Disclaimer: I bought all my art in the dealer's room this year. Next year
>I will bid on some pieces in the art show - but first I will buy some cute
>little bisexual boy in the slave auction, and tell him: "You are my slave
>for four hours, and my command is... To wait four hours in the art show
>pickup line for me and get all my prints while I sit in the hotel lobby
>comfortably chatting with friends!)
A more sadistic, but possibly more useful suggestion? Have him spend
those four hours working art show sales. It might help a lot of people...
Charlie
Dave Bryant
In article <19970124054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Gensiscook <gensi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Another person (and I have no idea if this was intentional or not) wrote
>down bids on two of my pieces... each of them at first glance looking like
>they had placed $75 bids on each piece... when in actuality they were only
>$15 dollar bids. This scared many people who were going to bid on some of
>my pieces. PLEASE write your bids clearly.
That person may well have -- by his or her standards. I lived in Europe
for several years at a tender age, and it's left its mark in several
ways. One of them is that my handwriting is an odd mix of U.S., European,
and drafting conventions ... including my "1"s, which have a prominent
upstroke and have occasionally been mistaken for "7"s by Americans who
are unfamiliar with this European practice. (No, I wasn't that bidder; I
never bid in art shows.)
The world is a big place, with lots of varying customs, folks....
Dave Bryant, Art Director, _Yarf!_
p...@netcom.com, p...@snowmeow.com
Cupertino, California, United States
Glen Wooten
: >2) Their final "high" bid was the fifth bid and the piece went to
: >auction. I'm amazed how many people each year don't seem to understand
: >this concept. If a bid sheet gets filled with bids, it goes to
: >auction. (Next year we may have to explain this to one of the Art Show
: >directors who "punished" one fan by not letting a piece he was bidding
: >on go to auction because he put all 5 bids on it himself.)
: On a somewhat related note, I wish someone would explain to artists
: what the "After Auction Price" really is. Guys, this is the price
: you're willing to sell the piece for after the final auction if it
: receives *NO* bids, ie. so you don't have to drag it home. Therefore,
: this price should *NEVER* be more than the minimum bid, but normally
: less. I keep seeing artists putting twice the minimum bid in that
: slot and then having to take it home.
<Sorry, I sent that one off to Brian in a letter, not the follow-up>
<I was planning (sorry about that, Brian...) >
No, it should NEVER be lower than the minimum bid, but generally not too
much higher. You'd only put an after auction price that was lower than
the minimum if it's a piece that you just don't care anything about, and
want it out of your hair at any cost. Most artists that put an after
auction price WAY above minimum bid do that because they like the piece,
and would rather it not go for peanuts if no one was interested in it
during the show. A really low after auction price is great for a buyer,
but lousy for an artist that really loves their work...
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Dr. Cat
Brian Henderson (BHend...@linkline.com) wrote:
: On a somewhat related note, I wish someone would explain to artists
: what the "After Auction Price" really is. Guys, this is the price
: you're willing to sell the piece for after the final auction if it
: receives *NO* bids, ie. so you don't have to drag it home. Therefore,
: this price should *NEVER* be more than the minimum bid, but normally
: less. I keep seeing artists putting twice the minimum bid in that
: slot and then having to take it home.
I think artist's goals in life vary way too much to make a blanket statement
about something like this. Some artists are trying to make a living, some
consider it a hobby or side-business that pays some or all of their con
expenses or earns them spending money, some are mainly interested in letting
other people see & enjoy their work but wouldn't mind making a little money
too. They're likely to have different opinions on how much of a hassle it
is to bring their art back home if it doesn't sell, depending on the number
of pieces they brought, the size of them, whether they're buying other
people's art and thus guaranteed to have to deal with packing art for the
trip home regardless, and just generally how much small tedious chores in
life happen to bother them or not bother them.
So while an artist has every right to sell stuff at $1 after the auction if
they would rather not take it home and don't care about the money, it's just
as justifiable to put something like twice the minimum bid there if trying
to get paid well for the piece is their main goal. I know that as a buyer
of art, seeing an after-auction price that matches the minimum bid might
tempt me to be lazy and not bother bidding, figuring I can get it after the
show for the same price if nobody else wants that piece. But an
after-auction price BELOW the minimum bid actively discourages me from
bidding, because I am tempted to gamble on a chance of getting a bargain and
actually paying less! A higher after-auction price can also make sense for
a lot of artists who are either so popular that their pieces rarely go for
minimum bid but are usually fought over... If one of their pieces doesn't
go in this show, they'd perhaps rather save it for when it'll sell at their
usual price at another show than let it go at the minimum bid which is not
their real usual rate they get... And also I've seen artists set their
minimum bids scandalously low to increase their chances of going to auction,
even as low as one dollar, and you would NOT want to make that the
after-auction price. I saw a Vicky Wyman original centaur with a minimum
bid of a dollar a year or two ago, and NO bids, and my plane left sunday so
I wouldn't be around long enough to pick it up if I bid on it! Wish I'd dug
up someone to do that for me...
Anyway it all seems rather a moot point in the case of Confurence. My
reaction to the first few "after auction" prices I saw listed on bid sheets
was "When the heck would I buy the piece at this price, given that the art
show closes down for good before the second auction and never reopens?"
After that I simply ignored that spot on the sheet, so I've no idea how most
of the artists set their after auction prices. I do know I've attended cons
that have a saturday night auction only, have the art show open on sunday,
and have after auction prices available if the artist wishes to set one.
That I understand. The Confurence thing is baffling to me, my theory is
that they had bid sheets that had been printed out for some other show
that had a space for that and that some artists filled it in because it was
there. This theory is probably wrong but I'm going to stick to it 'cause I
like it. I mean, a more sensible theory is that you can buy stuff after the
sunday auction by telling the art show staff the name of the artist and the
piece even though you aren't allowed in there to find it or to decided what
you want which you must somehow have decided on before and not done anything
about until now, and deal with the huge lines of regular bidders that will
be around sunday after the auction too. No, I like the way my theory fails
to make sense more than the way this one fails to make sense, even if it
happens to be true. :X)
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In article <pdbE4L...@netcom.com>, p...@netcom.com (Dave Bryant) wrote:
>In article <19970124054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>Gensiscook <gensi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>Another person (and I have no idea if this was intentional or not) wrote
>>down bids on two of my pieces... each of them at first glance looking like
>>they had placed $75 bids on each piece... when in actuality they were only
>>$15 dollar bids. This scared many people who were going to bid on some of
>>my pieces. PLEASE write your bids clearly.
>
>That person may well have -- by his or her standards. I lived in Europe
>for several years at a tender age, and it's left its mark in several
>ways. One of them is that my handwriting is an odd mix of U.S., European,
>and drafting conventions ... including my "1"s, which have a prominent
>upstroke and have occasionally been mistaken for "7"s by Americans who
>are unfamiliar with this European practice. (No, I wasn't that bidder; I
>never bid in art shows.)
My own handwriting and grammatical style are rather odd. I tend to use a
mixture of American/British grammatical style, and it was my high school
French teacher who had a major influence on my handwriting. That's why I've
always crossed my "7"s.
No wonder I'm always confused.
Aki. :3
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In article <32ea50cf...@news.linkline.com>, BHend...@linkline.com
(Brian Henderson) writes:
>On a somewhat related note, I wish someone would explain to artists
>what the "After Auction Price" really is. Guys, this is the price
>you're willing to sell the piece for after the final auction if it
>receives *NO* bids, ie. so you don't have to drag it home. Therefore,
>this price should *NEVER* be more than the minimum bid, but normally
>less. I keep seeing artists putting twice the minimum bid in that
>slot and then having to take it home.
>
>-Brian
No, the After Auction Price represents something closer to the NORMAL
direct sale price for the piece as it would be sold in a store or gallery.
By placing the lower minimum bid price on the piece you are offering the
buyer the chance of a bargin. What the artist really hopes for of course
is that enough people will want the piece to drive the price above the
After Auction Price and into auction were the final sale price has an even
better chance of rising. If the After Auction Price is set less than the
Minimum Bid this encourages people not to bid in hope of getting it for
less after the show.
What I have been trying to impress upon the CF art show staff the
last couple of years is that in my mind (and those of several others I
have talked to) the existance of the After Auction Price on the bid sheet
implies that the art show will reopen at some point Sunday afternoon to
allow people to purchase art that has not been bid on earlier. This did
in fact happen at CF7 but it was thrown together at the last moment (as in
durring the second auction) so no body knew about it. The determination
needs to be made NOW if such a time for direct sales will be available
next year so it can be planned for and advertised. This information
should be included in art show information packages so artist will know
when to pick up unsold art. If it is determined that such a sale is not
logistically practical then After Auction Prices should be removed from
the form.
David Bliss
cmelv...@aol.com
In article <32e92f3c...@news.calweb.com>, djha...@calweb.com wrote:
>Next year we may have to explain this to one of the Art Show
>directors who "punished" one fan by not letting a piece he was bidding
Kay Shapero
On <Jan 24 00:41>, gensi...@aol.com (Gensiscook) wrote;
g>Another person (and I have no idea if this was intentional or
g>not) wrote down bids on two of my pieces... each of them at first glance
g>looking like they had placed $75 bids on each piece... when in actuality
g>they were only $15 dollar bids. This scared many people who were going
g>to bid on some of my pieces. PLEASE write your bids clearly.
Hear hear! And while you're at it, folks, write your BIDDER NUMBERS very
clearly too. There were several cases this year of bidder numbers so
carelessly written that they looked like different numbers, and thus got
sorted with the wrong set of sold pieces at the sales end. Be it noted the
only reason we know about these is that the person who got them by mistake
realized they weren't pieces he/she had bid on and had the honesty to say
so... So don't let your 0s look like 6s (one of my problems), blend 1s
into 4s so 41 looks like 4, or otherwise confuse things.
Kay Shapero
On <Jan 25 15:41>, p...@netcom.com (Dave Bryant) wrote;
p>That person may well have -- by his or her standards. I lived in
p>Europe for several years at a tender age, and it's left its mark in
p>several ways. One of them is that my handwriting is an odd mix of U.S.,
p>European, and drafting conventions ... including my "1"s, which have a
p>prominent upstroke and have occasionally been mistaken for "7"s by
p>Americans who are unfamiliar with this European practice. (No, I wasn't
p>that bidder; I never bid in art shows.)
Even knowing this doesn't help much, when you're trying to figure out which
particular vertical checkmark is a European 1, and which a North American
7, with no other data to go by...
Dr. Cat
c.groark (cgr...@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: At least as I define the term, 'quick sale' is a price for which the buyer
: can basically take the piece off the wall, pay for it and leave. While
: you are correct that it has advantages, it is a high probability that the
: artist loses money and exposure. It rewards those with enough money to
: get to the con early and penalizes those who don't/can't.
Well, at the cons here in Texas, generally a quick sale piece gets marked as
sold on the bid sheet, and stays up on display until pickup on sunday when
it'll get taken down and paid for along with all the pieces that got
auctioned. The one exception I remember was a fellow buying a piece from
me, the one time I ever put anything in any art show - an origami castle and
a bunch of origami dragons. He was only attending the con on friday, not
coming back saturday or sunday. The dragons were 2 dollars minimum bid, 10
dollars quicksale, and he wanted one. He certainly could have had it for 2
dollars if he'd been staying around, as nobody else at the con wanted to bid
on any of the origami at all, which was no surprise to me. I mainly wanted
to show it off more than sell it, and I'd put a high minumum bid on the
castle. On the other hand, if the art show hadn't had quick sale prices &
rules, I suppose he'd have had to leave without buying anything and I
wouldn't have even sold the one dragon.
So anyway, out here the quick sale policies haven't lost the artists
exposure. Whether they lose or gain money depends on how shrewd and/or
lucky they are in determining the best quick sale prices. I can easily see
a fifty dollar quick sale price coax an extra 5 or 10 dollars from someone
who would have ended up getting the piece a bit cheaper if they'd risked the
auction - but not being able to KNOW it would go for less than fifty, they
made the quick sale big and didn't take the chance. Or I could see an
artist selling a piece for fifty that would have brought a hundred in the
auction. Or losing money on some pieces and doing better on others. It's
hard to be sure 'cause you never can know exactly what the bidders would
have done if you'd priced things a different way.
If it's really a big extra hassle for the art show staff, though, as you
mentioned, that may be enough reason right there to avoid the practice.
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