On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:11:26 -0700, Matt Sheridan <msheri...@hbs.edu> wrote:
> I hear he left over the very issues that Squee's been talking >about....
>Matt Sheridan
What he's talking about makes sense to me? Brian Anderson said the same thing....after telling me his girlfriend moved in with him and that he no longer gives a damn about anyone.
When I said whether or not he would be interested in Gargoyles:
EXT. HOUSE
Brian Anderson has a gun on his right arm, it is a six-shooter. He points it at MMilam
MMILAM
But I thought you were part of the fandom still...
BRIAN
As far as i'm concerned, the fandom can have it, I don't care anymore.
MMILAM
I think it's time...
BRIAN
For you to go...
The gun clicks.
MMILAM
You know Brian, what happens when your girlfriend leaves, you can't expect the rest of the world to leave you alone after that? People will notice and worry about you.
Brian fires the first bullet and MMilam runs down the street.
MMILAM
On the other hand...prehaps you could get a job with the army. Navy Seals even..
> A damn good artist. Probably the best single furry artist you've never > heard of. (Or maybe just the best, period.)
Scotty & Richard:
>> Abe was once on Yerf, né SCFA, but quit it, and the fandom sometime >> ago.
> Really? I hope he's happy then. As for the rest of us, well, we're a > lot poorer for his absence.
Indeed.
It is part of my philosophy that art must be shared to be properly said to exist as art. (This is not followed by everyone, I know.) In this case, having never seen any of his work, neither he nor his art exists for me. Nor is it there for anyone else who wants to learn, or expand their viewing, or look at a good example, for that matter.
In the absence of any material, I must classify him as simply "someone else who quit." A pity if he deserved more. But how would I know?
> It is part of my philosophy that art must be shared to be properly said > to exist as art. (This is not followed by everyone, I know.) In this > case, having never seen any of his work, neither he nor his art exists > for me. Nor is it there for anyone else who wants to learn, or expand > their viewing, or look at a good example, for that matter.
> In the absence of any material, I must classify him as simply "someone > else who quit." A pity if he deserved more. But how would I know?
> > In the absence of any material, I must classify him as simply "someone > > else who quit." A pity if he deserved more. But how would I know? > In article <36334E23.DAD69...@hoki.ibp.fhg.de>, Azimuth > <azim...@hoki.ibp.fhg.de> wrote:
Abe was a very talented and kind young man -- impressive to think that he was only 16-years-old when he drew the images on the web page listed above. Another talented artist gone, thanks to the single-minded spoogers and yiffs of furry fandom. Oh well.
> Abe was a very talented and kind young man -- impressive to think that he > was only 16-years-old when he drew the images on the web page listed above. > Another talented artist gone, thanks to the single-minded spoogers and > yiffs of furry fandom. Oh well.
* sigh *
-- azim...@hoki.ibp.fhg.de ... and a star to steer her by
Azimuth wrote in message <3633ACFE.5...@hoki.ibp.fhg.de>... >B_Roget wrote: >>> Abe was a very talented and kind young man -- impressive to think that he >> was only 16-years-old when he drew the images on the web page listed above. >> Another talented artist gone, thanks to the single-minded spoogers and >> yiffs of furry fandom. Oh well.
> * sigh *
I agree. I hadn't seen his work before, but the 3 pics I see are very good. Pity that he left the genre. It would be stronger and cleaner with his presence than with his absence.
> Azimuth wrote in message <3633ACFE.5...@hoki.ibp.fhg.de>... > >B_Roget wrote: > >>> Abe was a very talented and kind young man -- impressive to think that > he > >> was only 16-years-old when he drew the images on the web page listed > above. > >> Another talented artist gone, thanks to the single-minded spoogers and > >> yiffs of furry fandom. Oh well.
> > * sigh *
> I agree. I hadn't seen his work before, but the 3 pics I see > are very good. Pity that he left the genre. It would be stronger > and cleaner with his presence than with his absence.
Yes, I tried to tell him that when he told me he's left the fandom. Once in a blue moon, he'll e-mail me a pic via a friend of his. He's still doing furry art, he's just afraid of "us". Out of the kindness of his heart, he allows me to display those three pics at the gallery. I feel quite fortunate to have his work there. Yours, Becky http://www.furnation.com/kat/furry.html -- /^--^\ / . . \ _______________ o0o =x= o0o____________
Becky's Wildlife and Fantasy Art URL: http://www.wildlife-fantasy.com/ Specializing in photo realistic wildlife and fantasy paintings and illustrations.
Rebecca Gallant wrote in message <3634E84A.2...@netway.com>... >Yes, I tried to tell him that when he told me he's left the fandom. Once >in a blue moon, he'll e-mail me a pic via a friend of his. He's still >doing furry art, he's just afraid of "us".
What "us" is that? Sure there are some icky people in the fandom. There are these kinds of folks in every group of people. Heck, there are some people in the mall I'd rather not know about; I still go to the mall though. One cannot hide from the universe, and for every bad apple you'll find 99 good apples.
A long time ago I quit SciFi because of a few twisted individuals. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't. I missed out on a lot of fun and excitement in my life because of that decision. I'm delighted to get to know these imaginative and talented people in furry, even though I rarely bother them.
>Out of the kindness of his heart, he allows me to display those three >pics at the gallery. I feel quite fortunate to have his work there.
And I'm glad he lets you show his work there as well. I hope one day he will consider coming back under a psuedonym or such. (like Nakira did.) It is a shame that he feels he must distance himself from the genre, when he is the very sort of artist we need to "improve" matters.
Thanks for the link. At least now I've seen *something*!
Oh, well. Some people just don't become artists. It does take, as Clive Barker said, a certain "condition of nerves".... Of course, what he was saying that about could well apply here too!...
This dropping-out happened only a year ago, from the dates on the pictures? Hm.
> Thanks for the link. At least now I've seen *something*!
> Oh, well. Some people just don't become artists. It does take, as > Clive Barker said, a certain "condition of nerves".... Of course, what > he was saying that about could well apply here too!...
Some pople just don't become artists.. and still manage to get published- Joe being a case in point. Actually, Abe could draw circles around old Joe here at 16. It'd be interesting to see how well he could kick ass by the time he get's to be Rosales' age. Abe actually did have what it took to be an artist, given he's now doing ad art for a well-known and reputable company. The difference being he had what it took to be an artist in a market that actually turns a decent buck and is recognized, as opposed to furrydumb which, no matter how much it deludes itself, is obscure and will pretty much remain so (even with some japanese artist doing a generic pinup bunny for the cover of a comic). What Abe didn't have was what it took to be a recognized furry artist- borderline talent that never advances and a total lack of integrity. I don't think it's a "condition of nerves" in question when a 16 year old boy leaves a scene because he's most likely being asked to draw herms, macros, and probably receiving sexual advances from guys- (What would you have done at 16 if some scruffy guy comes up to you going "churp!"). It does take a certain amount of nerve to call yourself an artist- and for Joe "I Wanna Draw Spoooooooge" Rosales to do that, he's got some nerve. Abe's got a helluva lot more of a basis to be deemed an artist.
PigCop wrote in message <3635A55D....@riverboat.com>... >Joe Rosales wrote: > Some pople just don't become artists.. and still manage to get >published- Joe being a case in point. Actually, Abe could draw circles >around old Joe here at 16. It'd be interesting to see how well he could >kick ass by the time he get's to be Rosales' age.
bumper sticker on Pigcop's car "My artist can whup your artist!" :)
Abe actually did have
>what it took to be an artist, given he's now doing ad art for a >well-known and reputable company. The difference being he had what it >took to be an artist in a market that actually turns a decent buck and >is recognized, as opposed to furrydumb which, no matter how much it >deludes itself, is obscure and will pretty much remain so (even with >some japanese artist doing a generic pinup bunny for the cover of a >comic).
I'm glad to see artists making money with their talents. But making cash does not equate with being an artist. Look at Van Gogh. He made only one sale in his life, but his works are some of the most valuable paintings in existance today.
Joe and Abe have different styles anyway. It's much like comparing a Ferrari with a Porsche. Speaking as one whose drawing ability puts him firmly in Schwinn territory, who cares? They are both top notch.
> What Abe didn't have was what it took to be a recognized furry artist- >borderline talent that never advances and a total lack of integrity. I >don't think it's a "condition of nerves" in question when a 16 year old >boy leaves a scene because he's most likely being asked to draw herms, >macros, and probably receiving sexual advances from guys- (What would >you have done at 16 if some scruffy guy comes up to you going "churp!").
Yes, a very real problem in the fandom today. The fans who want spooge, spooge, and more spooge making the fandom stickier and stickier. I can see where Abe would be repelled by that. But it certainly won't get any better if he retreats from it. If he likes drawing furrys, then he should (and the spoogehounds need not make any suggestions.) After all, the fandom is supposed to be fun.
As for being pawwed about; there are times when lupine traits come in handy...
> Abe was a very talented and kind young man -- impressive to think that he > was only 16-years-old when he drew the images on the web page listed above.
Oops. I knew Abe was young, but I never got the idea he is _that_ young. I've followed his work from the moment he joined the then-SCFA (now known as www.yerf.com) and he was getting better at an interesting rate. Big talent. I had hoped to buy a comic done by him one day, but then he decided to leave for the mentioned reasons.
Big loss IMHO. I'm still hoping he might be back one day. Or at least publish something I can get hold of. I'd try to be first in line...
> Some pople just don't become artists.. and still manage to get > published- Joe being a case in point.
Ouch!
> Actually, Abe could draw circles around old Joe here at 16.
Easily. I didn't start drawing at all until I was 19.
> It'd be interesting to see how well he could > kick ass by the time he get's to be Rosales' age.
Sure would. But that's pretty much beyond the realm of possibility now, isn't it?
> It does take a certain amount of nerve to call yourself an artist- and > for Joe "I Wanna Draw Spoooooooge" Rosales to do that, he's got some > nerve.
Firstly, at what point did I call myself an artist? Please reproduce that quote here. My memory seems to be slipping.
Secondly, what exactly is this vast amount of pornography I've produced and advocated? All these years I've spent going to cons telling everyone who would listen that the production of explicit material was unnecessary to survive as an artist, the continuing success of the Wildlifers and Romanics -- this has all apparently been put to the lie by something. Pray, tell us what it is. Eight years of work, my entire professional career spent working in and promoting PG material, has been obviated in a single moment. Please explain. And while you're at it, please share with us what you've done to promote a better fandom and clean art supply, outside of complaining online.
Thirdly, your only requirement for being an artist is apparently to produce completely clean, G-rated material. This would of course rule out both Walt Kelly and Carl Barks. Perhaps you would care to elaborate on how someone who is aspiring to be a better funny animal artist would benefit from not following such sordid and talentless examples.
Finally, Betty or whatever you're calling yourself now, you should either start using your real name on posts, or come up with some new catch-phrases. Yeah, I know, you have no idea what I'm talking about.
> What comic have you been reading? I have most of Joe's work and I > have yet to see anything sexually explicit, even in his portfolios.
An upcoming Genus. Joe was practically begging the members a furry mailing list to pat him on the back for doing a spooge story. It's whatever the one that will have the poorly colored generic pinup cover by japanese artist "Monty" is.
What comic have you been reading? I have most of Joe's work and I have yet to see anything sexually explicit, even in his portfolios.
Heck if you can find some please let me know where it is! (laughs)
Honestly I admire Joes artistic ability very highly and his ability to telll fun, non spoogey tales even more. I love sexually explicit furry art but not everyfur has to do it. I like my innocent stuff too.
It appears to me that your post is designed to hurt Joe personally, that unfortunately destroyed what could have been a nice letter about you heartfelt admiration for Abe.
>> Thanks for the link. At least now I've seen *something*!
>> Oh, well. Some people just don't become artists. It does take, as >> Clive Barker said, a certain "condition of nerves".... Of course, what >> he was saying that about could well apply here too!...
> Some pople just don't become artists.. and still manage to get >published- Joe being a case in point. Actually, Abe could draw circles >around old Joe here at 16. It'd be interesting to see how well he could >kick ass by the time he get's to be Rosales' age. Abe actually did have >what it took to be an artist, given he's now doing ad art for a >well-known and reputable company. The difference being he had what it >took to be an artist in a market that actually turns a decent buck and >is recognized, as opposed to furrydumb which, no matter how much it >deludes itself, is obscure and will pretty much remain so (even with >some japanese artist doing a generic pinup bunny for the cover of a >comic). > What Abe didn't have was what it took to be a recognized furry artist- >borderline talent that never advances and a total lack of integrity. I >don't think it's a "condition of nerves" in question when a 16 year old >boy leaves a scene because he's most likely being asked to draw herms, >macros, and probably receiving sexual advances from guys- (What would >you have done at 16 if some scruffy guy comes up to you going "churp!"). > It does take a certain amount of nerve to call yourself an artist- and >for Joe "I Wanna Draw Spoooooooge" Rosales to do that, he's got some >nerve. Abe's got a helluva lot more of a basis to be deemed an artist.
