An Observation about Furry Art
Mark Loggins
all don't want to hear them, so don't read this. Anyway, I've looked at a
lot of furry stuff on velar, yerf, ect. I tend to avoid Furnation. The pages
I've seen there have left me somewhere between laugh hysterically and
vomiting wildly. Speaking generally, furries tend to draw males like women
with no breasts. The females lines are all there, but they've penises and
no breasts. And they draw females like men with breasts. They have the
definite male V body shape, but with breasts and a vagina. A good
example is Michele Light's Chester. That character has female hips and a
very female face. Aside from the male genitals, he looks totally like a
female. But that's just a simplistic generalization for the most part.
A good many artists tend to think more is better. Like if one penis is good
10 would be better. And what is the deal with the shemales? Winger seems
positively obsessed with them and he's not alone in his fetish. While
I am at it, am I the only one horrified by giant penises? I'm a straight
guy, so they don't turn me on even when they're normal sized, but giant
ones leave me thinking 'Ow! Run with that monster between your legs and
you'll be in a world of pain'. Large breasts were discussed on a whole
long thread, so I won't bother with them. Really, it seems like furries
just have no clue about anatomy. Proportions and other such things seem
to baffle a lot furry artists. Oh, well.. That's just my little observation.
--Random
Mark Loggins
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In article <7bk8rc$g80$1...@crucigera.fysh.org>, "Mark Loggins"
<sph...@crl.com> wrote:
Ahem... I suspose that should be 'Terrie Smith' not 'Michele Light'. People
talk so much about Michele Light it seems she winds up everywhere. Oh,
well
--Random
Crady C. Fox
If you think everyone draws so bad, why don't you draw something better?
Otherwise, I suggest you shut up.
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Michael Russell (Netcom)
I have been observing the world of furry art since 1993 when I discovered
the online fandom. I have actively collected artwork as much as possible
so that I have pieces created in the early 80's, when Rowrbrazzle and other
early attempts at the formation of this "fandom" started to appear.
Based on that, I cannot make generalizations. Furry art covers such a
wide range of representations, styles, and skill levels. To draw
conclusions just from a couple art archives, like Velar, only touches
a small portion of the furry art community.
Furry art covers a wide range of representations, from
Wildlife realistic -- Animal studies by Roz Gibson
Wildlife cartoony -- Randy & Cindy by Robert Carspecken
Human-Anthro -- Terry Smith
Cartoony Anthro -- Venus Trail series by Mitch Beiro
Cartoony -- Ozy & Millie by Rain Simpson
Abstract -- ((can't think of an example off hand))
Furry art covers a wide range of styles, from
Story-driven
Portrait
Emotion-driven
Naughty
Furry artists have a wide range of skills, from
Novice
Learning
Some art training
Experienced
Earn some money doing artwork
Professional Graphic Artist
Animator
Now, regarding why some artists like to exaggerate certain features of
the character anatomy or why they like to create composite characters,
like she-males, I think the simple answer is: because they can. The
beauty of art like this, like with cartoons, is it is possible to
experiment. To ask "what if" questions and then try to represent a
possible representation.
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>
> Perhaps I'm not expert on art, but I do have my opinion. And perhaps you
> all don't want to hear them, so don't read this. Anyway, I've looked at a
> lot of furry stuff on velar, yerf, ect. I tend to avoid Furnation. The pages
> I've seen there have left me somewhere between laugh hysterically and
> vomiting wildly. Speaking generally, furries tend to draw males like women
> with no breasts. The females lines are all there, but they've penises and
> no breasts. And they draw females like men with breasts. They have the
> definite male V body shape, but with breasts and a vagina. A good
> example is Michele Light's Chester.
I assume you mean "Terrie Smith's Chester," as the ringtail character
is not Michele's, though she did steer extremely close to him in one of
the characters in a SHANDA story I inked.
Chester, the ringtail, who appears in the HAVOC, INC. comics series
is exclusively Terrie's property...
Victry "Vixy" Hyzenthlay
>Perhaps I'm not expert on art, but I do have my opinion.
Don't we all? :)
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boojum
draw effeminate men and masculine women. I suspect this has something
to do with their models. If your drawing based on Playboy then things
tend to come out femanine for example."
"Men TEND to have a broader Rib Cage, a more squarish build. Women
TEND to have a more rounded rib cage and more curves." He adds.
"However I HAVE seen blockish women AND girlish men. They are NOT the
norm however."
He *giggles*, "However given that this is all fantasy and art I
don't think it's all that important as long as the artist and public
enjoy it. Men also don't have muzzles and tails but we draw them with
that. Certainly animals who are not plantigrade tend to have narrower
hips do to the mode of locomotion, this could be carried over into a
drawn furry as well."
boojum the brown bunny
Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci
>> all don't want to hear them, so don't read this. Anyway, I've looked at a
>> lot of furry stuff on velar, yerf, ect. I tend to avoid Furnation. The pages
>> I've seen there have left me somewhere between laugh hysterically and
lots of snippage-
>> long thread, so I won't bother with them. Really, it seems like furries
>> just have no clue about anatomy. Proportions and other such things seem
>> to baffle a lot furry artists. Oh, well.. That's just my little observation.
>> --Random
Considering how much on line art is other than spooge, it sounds like
your real complaint is that the furry artists are simply not doing
enough spooge art to your tastes.
And missing the important point that the vast bulk of the furry art
around, spooge and non-spooge alike, is very much fan/amature work being
done for the fun of it and not nessisarily up for critical scrutiny?
And lastly, didn't you say at one point you were not actually a fan at all,
and that, in effect, that we should all go fuck off and die, or things to that
effect? But good furry porn will redeame us in your eyes? Or maybe I'm
missing something?
Arach
"Crady C. Fox" <cr...@swipnet.se> wrote:
-snip-
>> Ahem... I suspose that should be 'Terrie Smith' not 'Michele Light'.
People
>> talk so much about Michele Light it seems she winds up everywhere. Oh,
>> well
>> --Random
>
>If you think everyone draws so bad, why don't you draw something better?
>Otherwise, I suggest you shut up.
Random doesnt take suggestions, I'm sad to say.. :/ Good thought,
however! ;)
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S.J.Laitila
>no breasts. And they draw females like men with breasts. They have the
>definite male V body shape, but with breasts and a vagina. A good
The stuff I don't like. And, the breasts are humongous.
>example is Michele Light's Chester. That character has female hips and a
>very female face. Aside from the male genitals, he looks totally like a
>female. But that's just a simplistic generalization for the most part.
Correction: Chester is Terrie Smith's character, not Michele Light's.
Yes, I'm a straight guy too, but that chester character kinda turned me
on...
>A good many artists tend to think more is better. Like if one penis is good
>10 would be better. And what is the deal with the shemales? Winger seems
>positively obsessed with them and he's not alone in his fetish. While
Yupp, chicks with dicks. Me don't like She-Man either.
>I am at it, am I the only one horrified by giant penises? I'm a straight
>guy, so they don't turn me on even when they're normal sized, but giant
>ones leave me thinking 'Ow! Run with that monster between your legs and
>you'll be in a world of pain'. Large breasts were discussed on a whole
>long thread, so I won't bother with them. Really, it seems like furries
>just have no clue about anatomy. Proportions and other such things seem
>to baffle a lot furry artists. Oh, well.. That's just my little observation.
Well... I've found a lot of artists, who make the characters look like they should.
And in Furnation too. Light, Bernal, Rosales, Blumrich and Schwartz. They draw
the characters pretty "normal"
Michael Campbell
Mark Loggins wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm not expert on art, but I do have my opinion. And perhaps you
> > all don't want to hear them, so don't read this. Anyway, I've looked at a
> > lot of furry stuff on velar, yerf, ect. I tend to avoid Furnation. The pages
> > I've seen there have left me somewhere between laugh hysterically and
> > vomiting wildly. Speaking generally, furries tend to draw males like women
> > with no breasts. The females lines are all there, but they've penises and
> > no breasts. And they draw females like men with breasts. They have the
> > definite male V body shape, but with breasts and a vagina.
(self-admitted mistake about Chester's co-creator snipped)
> . That character has female hips and a
> > very female face. Aside from the male genitals, he looks totally like a
> > female. But that's just a simplistic generalization for the most part.
It's not a generalization when it's accurate. The first few times I've seen this
character, I had no idea what it's gender was.
But seriously, Loggins DOES bring up a valid point. At some points with some
artists I've had to turn to another person looking at the same stuff and ask
'who's the guy in this picture?' I'm not saying that all women should look like
(fill in the name of a curvy model here) and I'm not saying that all guys should
look like (fill in the name of a musclebound hunk here) but c'mon folks, if you're
going to draw a man's body, draw a man's body, and if you're going to draw a
woman's body, draw a woman's body, not this halfway semi-herm
without-both-sets-of-parts business.
> > A good many artists tend to think more is better. Like if one penis is good
> > 10 would be better. And what is the deal with the shemales? Winger seems
> > positively obsessed with them and he's not alone in his fetish. While
> > I am at it, am I the only one horrified by giant penises? I'm a straight
> > guy, so they don't turn me on even when they're normal sized, but giant
> > ones leave me thinking 'Ow! Run with that monster between your legs and
> > you'll be in a world of pain'.
I anderstand erotica, but 90% of this sort of work goes beyond erotica into sheer
grotesqueness: I'll readily admit that I went through my 'big tits and dicks'
phase, but I got over it when I was SIXTEEN! Besides, has anyone out there ever
considered the physical problems of having a monster love-pump, like passing out
whenever you go fully erect?
> Really, it seems like furries
> > just have no clue about anatomy. Proportions and other such things seem
> > to baffle a lot furry artists. Oh, well.. That's just my little observation.
> > --Random
You have some very legitimate points, but since YOU brought them up, they will be
ignored and flamed to hell and back.
TTROHOAFF #1 (Anyone who questions the state of furry is a troll) noted.
GothTiger (tig...@execpc.com)
Mark Loggins
In article <7bm5qe$c...@newsops.execpc.com>, Michael Campbell
<tig...@execpc.com> wrote:
> You have some very legitimate points, but since YOU brought them up, they will
be
> ignored and flamed to hell and back.
>
> TTROHOAFF #1 (Anyone who questions the state of furry is a troll) noted.
You are unquestionably correct, Cambell. Just reading over the thread my
original post as spawned has bourn out the truth of what you said. It would
seem quite a few people who are reading this newsgroup cannot handle hearing
anything they disagree with. They react in a most...inappropiate fashion.
Ah, well.. I've received some positive feedback (both agreeing and
disagreeing), so what more can I expect. It's not all outraged fanboys
skreetching at me. Oh, on note about Random, it never fails to amusement
to hear someone psychoanalyse him. Invaribly, they say I act that because
I'm looking for attention or out of bolster my ego. Both things are
incredibly silly. It's like saying someone drives a lambourghini for the
insanely expensive insurance rates and to be watched by the police. But
if my feeling were hurt by it all, I wouldn't do it.
--Random
xe...@hotmail.com
Oh, not true, some of use just only get around to reading the post on a not
so consistant bases. You are right, copyright violation is copyright
violation. That's why I make it a policy to state that I will never do
copyrighted material of someone elses without their written permission first.
No need to add to all the piffering. However, the question of when is it
okay for a fan to do fan art of a character? I think so long as they clearly
show the copyright notice of the character in questiona and at least have the
decency to tell the artist that they are drawing their character, then it
would be cool. Heck, if anyone drew one of my characters and then told me,
who knows, I may just send them a drawing of the same character out of
appreciation. Good PR.
Xenif
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Nick "Singe" Bousman
> just have no clue about anatomy. Proportions and other such things seem
> to baffle a lot furry artists. Oh, well.. That's just my little observation.
For a lot of furry artists, realistic-sized anatomy doesn't really tend to
baffle. They just don't care enough about other people's opinions to follow
these rules that people keep whining about breaking.
-Nick "Singe" Bousman