Paul Kidd found guilty - needs character reference letters
That wascally miscweant Joe Strike
guilty of the child porn charges he was hit with. Marc says Paul is in
desperate need of character reference letters ("To Whom It May
Concern") testifying to his upright moral character & basic decency
for an appeal he's putting together. I've only spoken with him once or
twice on the phone, so there's nothing much I can say, but anyone who
knows him personally should sit down & compose something in his favor
that he can submit.
Marc didn't have contact info for me, but I dug up the following on an
old (1996!) aff post:
PO box 965 Eltham Victoria 3095 AUSTRALIA, or via e-mail at
<fur...@netspace.net.au>
I have no idea whether it's still good or completely out of date.
Anybody who can confirm or update this info please do so. Being
laughed at because of CSI or MTV is one thing; Paul Kidd winding up in
jail because he's got furry art (hardcore or otherwise) on his
computer is a tragedy.
mhirtes
Bob Guthrie
joestr...@hotmail.com (That wascally miscweant Joe Strike) wrote:
> Marc didn't have contact info for me, but I dug up the following on an
> old (1996!) aff post:
>
> PO box 965 Eltham Victoria 3095 AUSTRALIA, or via e-mail at
> <fur...@netspace.net.au>
Try <squ...@mail.tpg.com.au> instead.
BMG
--
"One of these days, we'll look back on this and laugh. Of
course, it will be one of those dark, eerie chuckles that
slowly grows into an insane howl, but it will still be a laugh."
Bob Guthrie
circle of friends, see if the can help in any way.
Paul Johnson
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joestr...@hotmail.com (That wascally miscweant Joe Strike) writes:
> Paul Kidd winding up in jail because he's got furry art (hardcore or
> otherwise) on his computer is a tragedy.
Wasn't it a picture of his toddler in the bath or something equally not
furry and not pornographic?
- --
Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursine.ca>
Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
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more...@greatweed.com
> Stan Sakai and Donna Barr are already passing the word around their
> circle of friends, see if the can help in any way.
>
> BMG
While I appreciate the senitment, and am a fan and admirer of both Sakai and Barr...
Just how much value will their character appraisals carry?
more...@greatweed.com
knowledge that he would never be sent to jail even if he was caught
red-handed.
He has that "Gollum" effect on people, where even if they have every
right in the world to punish him, they haven't the heart to inflict it
on one so pitiful.
mhirtes
more...@greatweed.com (more...@greatweed.com) wrote:
Sorry. What you just said STILL isn't going to get Paulie off the hook.
mhirtes
more...@greatweed.com (more...@greatweed.com) wrote:
Jack squat most likely. Things like this might have been more useful
during the trial phase, but it's too late for that now. Paul Kidd is now
a _convicted_ sex offender.
And he was furry fandumb's "Most Likely To Succeed" too. Oh dear what a
shame.
Tamar
work the support system of the US?
--
Shawntae Howard
www.extinctioners.com
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
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That wascally miscweant Joe Strike
> furry and not pornographic?
As Marc explained it to me, it started with a developing lab clerk
freaking out over the bath picture & led to the police seizing his
computer & finding stuff on it that only made the situation worse. I'm
assuming it was furry cheesecake or maybe even spooge, but I seem to
recall reading an aff post that some judge ruled that because it was
cartoon animals which of course are only for kiddies, it was therefore
pornographic.
mhirtes
joestr...@hotmail.com (That wascally miscweant Joe Strike) wrote:
> Paul Johnson <ba...@ursine.ca> wrote in message >
> > Wasn't it a picture of his toddler in the bath or something equally not
> > furry and not pornographic?
>
> As Marc explained it to me, it started with a developing lab clerk
> freaking out over the bath picture & led to the police seizing his
> computer & finding stuff on it that only made the situation worse. I'm
> assuming it was furry cheesecake or maybe even spooge, but I seem to
> recall reading an aff post that some judge ruled that because it was
> cartoon animals which of course are only for kiddies, it was therefore
> pornographic.
cough*cough*cough*cub art*cough*cough*cough............
mhirtes
wrote:
> What does a Computer Spud like you even know about the law outside of how to
> work the support system of the US?
>
Squeak on, Tumor. Paul's STILL in for a cellblock ass-hammering very
soon no matter what you say to me.
Brock Ulfsen
Depends on what the conviction entails and what happens at appeal. He
may be facing a fine and/or a suspended sentence and/or just parole/home
detention.
...Brock.
mhirtes
Brock Ulfsen <elfw...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> mhirtes wrote:
> > In article <cba20g$28bl$1...@velox.critter.net>, "Tamar" <how...@erie.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>What does a Computer Spud like you even know about the law outside of how to
> >>work the support system of the US?
>
> > Squeak on, Tumor. Paul's STILL in for a cellblock ass-hammering very
> > soon no matter what you say to me.
>
> Depends on what the conviction entails and what happens at appeal.
Have you ever know ANYONE to slip away from a conviction like Paul's?
Face it furries. A judge has determined your sickness to be a crime.
It's on the books now. You can't spin your way out of this one or use
your legendery furry delusion to dismiss it now. It's gone from the
pages of LOADED to the Australian crimal court records now.
> He
> may be facing a fine and/or a suspended sentence and/or just parole/home
> detention.
Yeah right. Dream on. You get parole only AFTER you've spent a number of
years in prison. And do you think any judge who wants to keep his/her
job is gonna risk the public wrath of suspending a pedo's sentence. It
just doesn't happen, regardless of the country.
Mike and Carole
"Brock Ulfsen" <elfw...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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If it's a fine, Carole and I will do what we can to raise money.
Mike
Brock Ulfsen
> Brock Ulfsen <elfw...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>mhirtes wrote:
>>>Squeak on, Tumor. Paul's STILL in for a cellblock ass-hammering very
>>>soon no matter what you say to me.
>>Depends on what the conviction entails and what happens at appeal.
> Have you ever know ANYONE to slip away from a conviction like Paul's?
Happens all the time, convictions quashed on appeal. It is what happens
when Judges are independent non-polical appointees, not politicians
looking at re-election.
There has been an on-going problem with a he-said/she-said situation
involving a swimmer and a swim coach. Been in and out of the spotlight,
too complex to go into here, but it makes the Kidd case look like
stealing milkmoney.
> Face it furries. A judge has determined your sickness to be a crime.
> It's on the books now. You can't spin your way out of this one or use
> your legendery furry delusion to dismiss it now. It's gone from the
> pages of LOADED to the Australian crimal court records now.
>> He may be facing a fine and/or a suspended sentence and/or just
>> parole/home detention.
> Yeah right. Dream on. You get parole only AFTER you've spent a number of
> years in prison. And do you think any judge who wants to keep his/her
> job is gonna risk the public wrath of suspending a pedo's sentence. It
> just doesn't happen, regardless of the country.
Welcome to an international forum. In Australia, community service,
parole, home detention are all prefered sentencing outcomes for all but
serious crimes. Many laws explicitly require that the Judge show
reasoned argument why (s)he rejects those in favout of a custodial
sentence. Does anyone have the exact charges against him, and which he
was convicted of, a quick skim of the relevant state legislation would
tell you if the actual charges he faced even allow gaol for a first offence.
Judges here are not elected, the are appointed, and tend to stay in
place until retirement. Thus, they are largely interested in the merits
of individual cases in law, not in terms of personal interests, the US
should try it someday.
...Brock.
Tashta
> In article <40d8...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
> Brock Ulfsen <elfw...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> > mhirtes wrote:
> > > In article <cba20g$28bl$1...@velox.critter.net>, "Tamar"
<how...@erie.net>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >>What does a Computer Spud like you even know about the law outside of
how to
> > >>work the support system of the US?
> >
> > > Squeak on, Tumor. Paul's STILL in for a cellblock ass-hammering very
> > > soon no matter what you say to me.
> >
> > Depends on what the conviction entails and what happens at appeal.
>
> Have you ever know ANYONE to slip away from a conviction like Paul's?
>
> Face it furries. A judge has determined your sickness to be a crime.
> It's on the books now. You can't spin your way out of this one or use
> your legendery furry delusion to dismiss it now. It's gone from the
> pages of LOADED to the Australian crimal court records now.
You want to poke folks, Mr. Hirtes?
Sickness? You mean liking furry art or anything furry related. Hmm. What
about:
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Cassandra-Lovell/c_haremgirls00.jpg
Something YOU commissioned in _April_ from a gal who had barely turned 18 to
draw for you and from her blog, she mentions that she had trouble with it
because, I quote "but got so frustrated about the way Michael wanted to
change everything all the time...Michael wanted me to change the leg
positions of the harem girl in the back so you could see more of her..
'goods.'"
Who's the pervert, Michael? What's on YOUR computer Mr. Hypocrite?
BR
> Judges here are not elected, the are appointed, and tend to stay in
> place until retirement. Thus, they are largely interested in the merits
> of individual cases in law, not in terms of personal interests, the US
> should try it someday.
Now now, be fair. We do have appointed judges, most notabley the Supreme
Court. And quite a few are concerned with the merits of a case.
--
-- James Fenimore Cooper
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes,
knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.
Tamar
of. You're such a gossiping Ol' Betty.
--
Shawntae Howard
www.extinctioners.com
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
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mhirtes
wrote:
> You don't even know what the conviction was or exactly what he was convicted
> of. You're such a gossiping Ol' Betty.
But, the fact that he IS convicted is enough to make me smile.
:)
See?
mhirtes
mhirtes
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Something YOU commissioned in _April_ from a gal who had barely turned 18 to
> draw for you and from her blog, she mentions that she had trouble with it
> because, I quote "but got so frustrated about the way Michael wanted to
> change everything all the time...Michael wanted me to change the leg
> positions of the harem girl in the back so you could see more of her..
> 'goods.'"
Okay, since we're dragging this all out in the open (amazing. You've
hardly been on the scene for long and already you're acting like a
classic furry. Do you need a boyfriend that will have similar traits you
can share? I'm sure O'Connell's not seeing anyone right now. Just ignore
his mom's drunken ravings on the other side of his bed and you two will
do just fine).
Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
And uh, guess what? I saved your email, and since you so obviously
believe in sharing:
"I've finally finished it!! I hope you like it; I am actually happy to
say that I am really REALLY proud of it. I think it came out really
well; all that planning and going back on fixing things really paid-off.
It was amazing working with you;"
So which of your obviously many personalities was I commissioning from?
The one who was really REALLY proud of this work and felt that all that
effort paid off, or the snotty furry beeotch who's trying to look cool
in front of the fandumb by dissing Hirtes in public (like all assclowns
do when they wanna make brownie points with their hoped for customers)?
God only knows how many issues of Ugghstinkshunnurz that Tumor sells
every time he rags at me here (lucky for me that I could download them
for free off of Sibe's IRC channel......IF I wanted to see such dogshit
as Howard's).
And you know what? Stunts like the one you just pulled aren't exactly
convincing me that I've been one iota wrong about my utter DISGUST with
furries. Just another Damn Good Reason to add to the pile i can tell
others later in order to warn them away from the genre.
That's probably why I laugh my ass off when I see videos like this being
distributed all over the world:
http://www.wasteoftimevideos.com/fredryk/Courage-TheAntiFur.wmv
Tashta
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3a7Cc.78231$Hg2.52694@attbi_s04>,
> "Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Something YOU commissioned in _April_ from a gal who had barely turned
18 to
> > draw for you and from her blog, she mentions that she had trouble with
it
> > because, I quote "but got so frustrated about the way Michael wanted to
> > change everything all the time...Michael wanted me to change the leg
> > positions of the harem girl in the back so you could see more of her..
> > 'goods.'"
>
>
> Okay, since we're dragging this all out in the open (amazing. You've
> hardly been on the scene for long and already you're acting like a
> classic furry. Do you need a boyfriend that will have similar traits you
> can share? I'm sure O'Connell's not seeing anyone right now. Just ignore
> his mom's drunken ravings on the other side of his bed and you two will
> do just fine).
Heh. You're complaining up the wrong tree AND you're misreading. I never
said _I_ was the one you commissioned from, twit. I found that on the net
after doing a simple google of your name. If you want to pick on the poor
girl. Go ahead. You'll just prove the point everyone makes of you jumping to
conclusions at the whim of the wind and you'll cause uneccessary distress to
a girl you hardly know who's an innocent.
However, I wouldn't talk about "mothers" if I was you. You're the one who
lost all sense of sanity the last time someone mentioned YOURS.
Heh, a few of the folks here already know who I am by my nick, don't ya
folks? And I'm sure not an inexperienced 18 year old. Far from it. And those
that do know I already have a boyfriend. Two, actually.
> Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
*I* never said *I* was 18. I said that you had commissioned artwork from a
girl who was barely 18. I never said I was that girl.
>
> And uh, guess what? I saved your email, and since you so obviously
> believe in sharing:
>
> "I've finally finished it!! I hope you like it; I am actually happy to
> say that I am really REALLY proud of it. I think it came out really
> well; all that planning and going back on fixing things really paid-off.
> It was amazing working with you;"
Good for you. You can cut and paste. Amazing.
>
> So which of your obviously many personalities was I commissioning from?
> The one who was really REALLY proud of this work and felt that all that
> effort paid off, or the snotty furry beeotch who's trying to look cool
> in front of the fandumb by dissing Hirtes in public (like all assclowns
> do when they wanna make brownie points with their hoped for customers)?
> God only knows how many issues of Ugghstinkshunnurz that Tumor sells
> every time he rags at me here (lucky for me that I could download them
> for free off of Sibe's IRC channel......IF I wanted to see such dogshit
> as Howard's).
Again, wrong, psycho man. She IS proud of it. She did a good job. She should
be. It's the hypocritical way you approach furry fandom and yet you
commission FURRY art even so. Furry PORN no less. That's what I was
referring to. *I* don't need to make "brownie points." Oh and you mention
Tamar's sales? Oh, is poor Michael STILL jealous that Tamar actually has a
successful 'zine compared to your flop? Poor baby.
> And you know what? Stunts like the one you just pulled aren't exactly
> convincing me that I've been one iota wrong about my utter DISGUST with
> furries. Just another Damn Good Reason to add to the pile i can tell
> others later in order to warn them away from the genre.
What stunt? I'm one of the long standing people who've been in furry fandom,
even from a distance when life gets in the way. That you want to build a
pile with your own shit is no surprise monkey man--simians like you always
resort to throwing shit when they can't think of anything else to say.
> That's probably why I laugh my ass off when I see videos like this being
> distributed all over the world:
And you've got plenty of ass to laugh off. You'd better find more to make
you chuckle. This may take a while.
mhirtes
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> However, I wouldn't talk about "mothers" if I was you. You're the one who
> lost all sense of sanity the last time someone mentioned YOURS.
Because the subject was off-limits until you furs HAD to even stoop that
low. Now it's truly been TOTAL WAR ever since.
>
> Heh, a few of the folks here already know who I am by my nick, don't ya
> folks? And I'm sure not an inexperienced 18 year old. Far from it. And those
> that do know I already have a boyfriend. Two, actually.
>
> > Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> > still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> > Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
>
> *I* never said *I* was 18. I said that you had commissioned artwork from a
> girl who was barely 18. I never said I was that girl.
Okay. Correction taken. However, the fact that she was still 18 hasn't
changed.
>
> Again, wrong, psycho man. She IS proud of it. She did a good job. She should
> be. It's the hypocritical way you approach furry fandom and yet you
> commission FURRY art even so. Furry PORN no less. That's what I was
> referring to. *I* don't need to make "brownie points." Oh and you mention
> Tamar's sales? Oh, is poor Michael STILL jealous that Tamar actually has a
> successful 'zine compared to your flop? Poor baby.
Jealous? Of having to cater to the whims of a pack of slobbering
assholes with fake tails? Oh FUCK NO! The day I stopped doing my zine
was a most liberating experience. Forever free from the mass idiocy of
furrydumb, it gave me a whole happier outlook on life. Too bad you're
too afraid to try to escape it as I and so many others before me have
done.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I seriously think that
whatever the court has on Paul, it's GOT to be a LOT more illegal than
some naked vixens with big tits. Don't expect Pual to give you the WHOLE
story however. As Jack said in that film, "You can't handle the truth!".
>
> And you've got plenty of ass to laugh off. You'd better find more to make
> you chuckle. This may take a while.
With furrydumb out there making an ass of itself in front of the world
24/7 for years, the everflowing fountain of hilarity has never stopped.
Tashta
> In article <3a7Cc.78231$Hg2.52694@attbi_s04>,
> "Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
Oh, one more thing...that you bash furrydom but are actually bidding for
commissions from the ADULT section of FURBID just shows even more hypocrisy
on your part. Naughty boy.
hee hee hee
Wanderer
To begin with, you're not talking to Cassandra there. She's quoting the
blog at you, but it's Tashta, not Cassandra, who scents the unmistakable
aroma of hypocrisy. Well, either that or you need to change your socks.
(Joke from Neverwinter Nights, sorry.)
Anyhowl, the actual point included in her post is:
If you're saying enjoying furry art, especially yiffy art, is a sickness
that deserves to have people arrested; how, then, do you justify such
sniping when you enjoy illustrated "beaver shots" of the furry nature so
much and so recently? Better, if such a search were carried out on *your*
computer, what would the authorities find? If something like Paul Kidd's
computer is rumored to have held, does this mean you should be arrested?
Point translated for the reading-comprehension-impaired.
Yours briefly,
The wolfish,
Wanderer
wand...@ticnet.com
"Where am I going? I don't quite know.
What does it matter *where* people go?
Down to the woods where the bluebells grow!
Anywhere! Anywhere! *I* don't know!"
-- a. a. milne
Wanderer
> http://www.wasteoftimevideos.com/fredryk/Courage-TheAntiFur.wmv
Pardon the delay in responding to this part; not only am I on dialup, but it
took me a little while to figure out the backtrail, since Fredryk Phox no
longer has a link to that portion of the site from the main page, or even
from his mirror site.
Here's some vital information, though:
http://www.nothingkat.com/fredryk/about.htm
"I'm 20 years old, until September 16th of 2004.
Most ask me "What's with the cartoon fox?"
Well, Fredryk Phox is a character I designed a very, very long time
ago... Just something you do in elementary school, or middle
school, or whatever, you know... Draw comics of people getting
shot or blowing things up. Fredryk was my creation for artistic
outlets, so to speak."
"---"What's with all the bigot remarks in your videos? Do you hate gay
people?"
Sometimes I get emails concerning my sense of humor when it comes
to the videos I make in my spare time. People are worried that I may
not be the nicest and most accepting guy in the world when they hear
me spout out profanities and derogatory terms like "faggot" and such
in my video clips.
Unless you have some sort of radical chip on your shoulder, you really
have nothing to worry about. I have a lot of friends who are homosexual
(more than 60% of them, I'd wager) who I call 'faggots' all the time. My
friends make fun of me; we all make fun of each other, and each others'
heritages and ethnicities all the time.
Racism and bigotry are a sad, sad thing, and it pains me that
there's so much of it still in the world, but hey-- that's reality for you,
I
suppose.
But back to the main point, it's just the way I was brought up in my circle
of friends, so it developed as a feature in my sense of humor. There's
nothing else I can really say to explain it, so if you still find me
offensive,
maybe you should just stop watching my stuff. :< "
"---"Furries?"
A lot of people ask me if I'm in this whole "furry fandom" thing, which
doesn't really surprise me with the anthropomorphic animal characters
I always draw and animate, but the answer would most likely be "No."
A long time ago, someone found my cartoon work and asked me if I was
indeed a "furry fan," (a member of the Furry fandom, something like the
anime fandom, but loosely based on anthropomorphic animals)
and I had no idea what it was, so I thought "Hey, why not." I checked it
out and I was somewhat interested (this was somewhere around 1995
or 1996, mind you). Over time though, I uncovered more and more that I
didn't like about it; other groups affiliated with it, and the increasing
amount of sexual deviance and perversion which unfortunately, more
often than not, stole the limelight when it came to publicity.
The Furry fandom isn't so bad aside from all the perverted and weird stuff;
I've made plenty of friends who share my views on these things, and I'm
thankful for them.
So, in concurrence, I really don't consider myself a "furry," just your
average guy that likes to draw comics with animal people in them. That's
about as "furry" as I get.
I hope this clears up some thoughts you might've had about me."
Looks like he ran into the same tiny subset of the fandom that warped *your*
brain... :>
Yours wolfishly,
The grinning,
Jenna
> Face it furries. A judge has determined your sickness to be a crime.
What on Earth does kiddie porn (if that is what he possessed) have to
do with anthropomorphic art? Until I _know_ exactly what he's supposed
to have possessed, I'm not going to infer any connection between furry
art and his conviction than if he was arrested for tax evasion.
I also still find the 'cartoon animals = pornography' argument highly
questionable. For a start, according to reports here, he wasn't
arrested for the general charge of pornography, but specifically for
child pornography. Child pornography has to have children in it,
presumably. As I said before. I would be _extremely_ surprised and
alarmed if any judge found that drawings of adult anthropmorphic
animals, however spoogey, constituted child porn. They're not human,
they're not children, and they're not photographs. I would be amazed
if any judge was so stupid as to look at a lewd drawing of adult
anthropomorphic characters, and reach the conclusion that it had
something to do with child pornography on the premise that mostly
children read cartoons. And if the prosecution did argue that, the
defense would surely only have to point out that western pop culture
has been awash with explicit adult comics for over a decade.
Everything about this is coming from people who've heard second hand
or seem to recollect something, or who want to believe one thing or
the other, whether it bears any relation to reality or not.
PlanetFur
who
> > lost all sense of sanity the last time someone mentioned YOURS.
>
> Because the subject was off-limits until you furs HAD to even stoop that
> low. Now it's truly been TOTAL WAR ever since.
I don't know, would your mother appreciate seeing that her son looks at
child furry porn? Those harem girls don't appeare to be of adult age in
that image, perhaps that's what you prefer?
Maybe you're flying off the handle at Paul Kidd because you want to divert
attention from your own sick fetish? Yuck, bondage with furry girls, sicko.
> > Heh, a few of the folks here already know who I am by my nick, don't ya
> > folks? And I'm sure not an inexperienced 18 year old. Far from it. And
those
> > that do know I already have a boyfriend. Two, actually.
> >
> > > Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> > > still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> > > Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
> >
> > *I* never said *I* was 18. I said that you had commissioned artwork from
a
> > girl who was barely 18. I never said I was that girl.
>
> Okay. Correction taken. However, the fact that she was still 18 hasn't
> changed.
Nope, but the fact that you still commission and probably jerk off to furry
porn
makes you a terrible hypocrite. Next time you say furries are sick, we can
laugh
at the stupid monkey. (:
> > Again, wrong, psycho man. She IS proud of it. She did a good job. She
should
> > be. It's the hypocritical way you approach furry fandom and yet you
> > commission FURRY art even so. Furry PORN no less. That's what I was
> > referring to. *I* don't need to make "brownie points." Oh and you
mention
> > Tamar's sales? Oh, is poor Michael STILL jealous that Tamar actually has
a
> > successful 'zine compared to your flop? Poor baby.
>
> Jealous? Of having to cater to the whims of a pack of slobbering
> assholes with fake tails? Oh FUCK NO! The day I stopped doing my zine
> was a most liberating experience. Forever free from the mass idiocy of
> furrydumb, it gave me a whole happier outlook on life. Too bad you're
> too afraid to try to escape it as I and so many others before me have
> done.
Yet you're still here. Must not be that liberating since we're your entire
life.
You still commission furry artists to do art for you. Doesn't sound like
you've
moved on at all.
So the whole jealousy thing you have for Tamar, for Groat, for Kidd, for any
other artist whose publications have outsold your crummy 'zine must be
valid.
Why else still be here if you're liberated from furry? It's not because you
hate
it; we've already shown you're still commissioning furry porn!
> I've said it before and I'll say it again, I seriously think that
> whatever the court has on Paul, it's GOT to be a LOT more illegal than
> some naked vixens with big tits. Don't expect Pual to give you the WHOLE
> story however. As Jack said in that film, "You can't handle the truth!".
Remember, even in the US, people have been arrested for purchasing or
distributing drawings of female genitalia, even today. The US is trying to
push
forth a law so that parents can sue retailers for allowing access to
materials
that their kids *may* see that's deemed inappropriate.
So it doesn't even have to be child porn. Your fetish could land people in
jail,
too.
> > And you've got plenty of ass to laugh off. You'd better find more to
make
> > you chuckle. This may take a while.
>
> With furrydumb out there making an ass of itself in front of the world
> 24/7 for years, the everflowing fountain of hilarity has never stopped.
Mike, you just made an ass of yourself, here in front of all of a.f.f.
"Furries are dumb!" "So what that I commission furry porn?"
Uh, great, keep calling yourself sick and stupid. You should see a therapist
about that self-deprecating problem you have.
PlanetFur
convicted
> > of. You're such a gossiping Ol' Betty.
>
> But, the fact that he IS convicted is enough to make me smile.
Did it make you smile more than when you receive your furry pornographic
commissions? Just wondering.
Chuck Melville
mhirtes wrote:
> Jack squat most likely. Things like this might have been more useful
> during the trial phase, but it's too late for that now. Paul Kidd is now
> a _convicted_ sex offender.
The trial phase, as I understand it, was stacked rather heavily against
Paul as a result of the way the rules of evidence play out in Australian
courts. The prosecution makes its case, the defense has a chance for
rebuttal; then, the prosecution has a chance to address and destroy the
defense's evidence, but the defense has no second rebuttal. One of the
things denied Paul was his career: having given evidence that he was an
author, and the prosecution immediately denied that Paul was in anyway a
published author, and he was given no opportunity to prove his claim.
Front to end, the matter sounds very much like a snowjob, fueled by a
few overanxious and overreaching prudish individuals who overreacted at
some harmless baby pictures, and pushed through by ambitious trial lawyers.
Paul may be a -legally- convicted offender, but that doesn't make it
true. I'll believe it only when -I- see incontrevertible evidence.
Until such time, I stand by Paul.
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
BUT, in the scrambled-egg "minds" of the fandumb, rock bands that wear
fursuits in thier videos are covert promoters of furry, TMNT movies are
proof of Hollywood's growing acceptence of furry, and WB made Tiny Toons
just to give Quozl something to beat his meat to.
The old tired "Once a furry......"
Tamar
from little girls. No sir, there's absolutely no hypocrisy there at all. :)
(Did my sales just go up?)
--
Shawntae Howard
www.extinctioners.com
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
news:mh-9C2576.01...@news.central.cox.net...
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Hirtes,
>
> To begin with, you're not talking to Cassandra there. She's quoting the
> blog at you, but it's Tashta, not Cassandra, who scents the unmistakable
> aroma of hypocrisy. Well, either that or you need to change your socks.
> (Joke from Neverwinter Nights, sorry.)
>
> Anyhowl, the actual point included in her post is:
>
> If you're saying enjoying furry art, especially yiffy art, is a sickness
> that deserves to have people arrested; how, then, do you justify such
> sniping when you enjoy illustrated "beaver shots" of the furry nature so
> much and so recently? Better, if such a search were carried out on *your*
> computer, what would the authorities find? If something like Paul Kidd's
> computer is rumored to have held, does this mean you should be arrested?
Nice spin, but let's get back to the facts here.
Paul Kidd has not only been charged, but has been _convicted_ of child
pr0n charges. Even the most batshit delusional of you furries cannot
deny this fact.
Now, in order for this have happened, you would think that the cops
found more than just a handful of Chester drawings in his collection,
don't you think?
As I keep saying (yet somehow you keep ignoring), there HAS to be more
to what was/is going on here than Paul Kidd has allowed to be let out.
Why is that, I wonder? Yes, the baby-in-the-bathtub pics started this
mess and and it was dumb for the developer to have a cow over them, but
it looks like the fuzz found something a bit more "unpleasant" in Paul's
possession, and that's what was used to bury him.
How come the only POV we have been getting on the day-to-day has ONLY
been from Paul himself? Ask any pedo about his "taste" and he will
always tell you that his desire to bugger little boys like a Cardinal on
Viagra is not only normal, but superior to the average person.
Hasn't anyone out there even TRIED to seek independent info as to what
is going on? Seems off that no one has even tried to find out the name
of Paul's attorney in the hopes of organising some sort of aid (hint in
advance: wearing a fursuit with a floppy-dong in the front and picketing
the courthouse won't help Paul's case any. Please don't do that).
mhirtes
"PlanetFur" <cb...@dragonmagic.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe you're flying off the handle at Paul Kidd because you want to divert
> attention from your own sick fetish? Yuck, bondage with furry girls, sicko.
WHO'S trying to divert here? LOL!
Nice try, Planet Fart.
mhirtes
wrote:
> Aw, Mikey, the guy that hates furry, but will still commission furry porn
> from little girls. No sir, there's absolutely no hypocrisy there at all. :)
> (Did my sales just go up?)
Keep at it, clown. She's over 18 (she must be the oldest "little girl"
I've ever heard of). Sorry to disappoint you there (well, actually I'm
not sorry.).
And, I've already stated too many times that I don't mind the art. It's
the _fandom_ that's so disgusting and deserves to suffer unimaginable
agonies in Hell (and Paul Kidd's already got a head start on most of you
with that).
And BTW, Paul Kidd is STILL doomed to toss salad unless he ejects asap
and scarfs down a bottle of pills first.
Neil: "Uh, Vyvian?"
Vyvian: "Yeah?"
Neil: "Can you, like, actually _kill_ yourself with laxative pills?"
Vyvian: "I don't know, but I'm certainly gonna stick around and find
out."
Wanderer
> In article <10diep6...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> > Anyhowl, the actual point included in her post is:
> >
> > If you're saying enjoying furry art, especially yiffy art, is a sickness
> > that deserves to have people arrested; how, then, do you justify such
> > sniping when you enjoy illustrated "beaver shots" of the furry nature so
> > much and so recently? Better, if such a search were carried out on
*your*
> > computer, what would the authorities find? If something like Paul
Kidd's
> > computer is rumored to have held, does this mean you should be arrested?
>
> Nice spin, but let's get back to the facts here.
Nope, no spin. After all, it's your "furplay" website that holds that
"Fangs of Ka'ath" page you say shows child molestation. Does that mean that
you should be arrested?
>
> Paul Kidd has not only been charged, but has been _convicted_ of child
> pr0n charges. Even the most batshit delusional of you furries cannot
> deny this fact.
Cussing again, how original. Oh, and drop the I33T-speak, bubbuleh, you
don't so it well.
In any event, unless you can cite actual facts of the case, you're a
half-informed bystander, just like the rest of us. Thus, I give you about
as much credence (without the clearwater revival) as any other
profanity-spouting, I33t-typing, hypocritical conclusion-jumper would get
from me.
>
> Now, in order for this have happened, you would think that the cops
> found more than just a handful of Chester drawings in his collection,
> don't you think?
Chester's rather blatantly adult, actually. Besides, it doesn't take much,
under the right administration. Child pornography charges are just the
thing for an election year, when you need something to point to and say,
"See, I'm protecting our children".
>
> As I keep saying (yet somehow you keep ignoring), there HAS to be more
> to what was/is going on here than Paul Kidd has allowed to be let out.
> Why is that, I wonder? Yes, the baby-in-the-bathtub pics started this
> mess and and it was dumb for the developer to have a cow over them, but
> it looks like the fuzz found something a bit more "unpleasant" in Paul's
> possession, and that's what was used to bury him.
And when you have a clue what that "something" was that your contrived
little plot requires, you let us know, dearie. Until then, you don't know
any more than we do.
>
> How come the only POV we have been getting on the day-to-day has ONLY
> been from Paul himself? Ask any pedo about his "taste" and he will
> always tell you that his desire to bugger little boys like a Cardinal on
> Viagra is not only normal, but superior to the average person.
1: Actually, Paul hasn't posted. His friends have.
2: Example invalid, especially since the celebrated Washington state case
where the convicted pedophile was incredibly happy to be caught, and
requested hanging as his means of execution. (He wanted it televised to
help stop other child molesters, but that was kiboshed by the networks;
public executions have gone the way of the dodo, it seems.) Nice
Catholic-bashing, by the way. Who'd you steal it from?
>
>
> Hasn't anyone out there even TRIED to seek independent info as to what
> is going on? Seems off that no one has even tried to find out the name
> of Paul's attorney in the hopes of organising some sort of aid (hint in
> advance: wearing a fursuit with a floppy-dong in the front and picketing
> the courthouse won't help Paul's case any. Please don't do that).
Blatant ridicule of fursuiters and insult noted. And since Paul's attorney
couldn't discuss the case with us anyway (little thing called
attorney-client privilege), that would be as pointless as a revival of
Furplay. He couldn't tell us anything, including what kind of aid might be
useful, because he's prohibited from discussing facts of the case outside
the courtroom and client conferences.
So, again: If you get more information, tell us and gloat. Until then, all
you can gloat about is setting a new record for conclusion-jumping.
Yours wolfishly,
The patient,
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> "mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
> news:mh-F366C9.09...@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <10diep6...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> > > Anyhowl, the actual point included in her post is:
> > >
> > > If you're saying enjoying furry art, especially yiffy art, is a sickness
> > > that deserves to have people arrested; how, then, do you justify such
> > > sniping when you enjoy illustrated "beaver shots" of the furry nature so
> > > much and so recently? Better, if such a search were carried out on
> *your*
> > > computer, what would the authorities find? If something like Paul
> Kidd's
> > > computer is rumored to have held, does this mean you should be arrested?
> >
> > Nice spin, but let's get back to the facts here.
>
> Nope, no spin. After all, it's your "furplay" website that holds that
> "Fangs of Ka'ath" page you say shows child molestation.
Does it? ;)
>
> >
> > Paul Kidd has not only been charged, but has been _convicted_ of child
> > pr0n charges. Even the most batshit delusional of you furries cannot
> > deny this fact.
>
> Cussing again, how original. Oh, and drop the I33T-speak, bubbuleh, you
> don't so it well.
Again, the fact that Paul's fucked hasn't budged one inch.
>
> In any event, unless you can cite actual facts of the case, you're a
> half-informed bystander, just like the rest of us. Thus, I give you about
> as much credence (without the clearwater revival) as any other
> profanity-spouting, I33t-typing, hypocritical conclusion-jumper would get
> from me.
And yet, I was the one who suspects that there are more details to the
case than what Paul has been feeding you kissups with an eyedropper.
Always read between the lines.
>
> >
> > Now, in order for this have happened, you would think that the cops
> > found more than just a handful of Chester drawings in his collection,
> > don't you think?
>
> Chester's rather blatantly adult, actually. Besides, it doesn't take much,
> under the right administration. Child pornography charges are just the
> thing for an election year, when you need something to point to and say,
> "See, I'm protecting our children".
Is there an election going on this year in Australia too? I don't give a
shit so I didn't bother to check.
In any case, regardless of the year, kiddie pr0n (yep, I used that word
again. And you can't stop me from using it unless you have it
copyrighted) is frowned upon, and the excuse of "It was my :friend" that
downloaded thos child pics, not me." has me laughing in tears. God, such
a LAME excuse.
>
> >
> > As I keep saying (yet somehow you keep ignoring), there HAS to be more
> > to what was/is going on here than Paul Kidd has allowed to be let out.
> > Why is that, I wonder? Yes, the baby-in-the-bathtub pics started this
> > mess and and it was dumb for the developer to have a cow over them, but
> > it looks like the fuzz found something a bit more "unpleasant" in Paul's
> > possession, and that's what was used to bury him.
>
> And when you have a clue what that "something" was that your contrived
> little plot requires, you let us know, dearie. Until then, you don't know
> any more than we do.
Oh, the fact that it did the job is enough to make me happy. Bravo,
M'lud! Bravo!
>
> >
> > How come the only POV we have been getting on the day-to-day has ONLY
> > been from Paul himself? Ask any pedo about his "taste" and he will
> > always tell you that his desire to bugger little boys like a Cardinal on
> > Viagra is not only normal, but superior to the average person.
>
> 1: Actually, Paul hasn't posted. His friends have.
Yes dumbass. That's the point.
Oh, that's RIGHT. Paul doesn't HAVE a computer right now.
Care to tell us WHY he doesn't have a computer right now?
;)
>
> 2: Example invalid, especially since the celebrated Washington state case
> where the convicted pedophile was incredibly happy to be caught, and
> requested hanging as his means of execution. (He wanted it televised to
> help stop other child molesters, but that was kiboshed by the networks;
> public executions have gone the way of the dodo, it seems.) Nice
> Catholic-bashing, by the way. Who'd you steal it from?
Oh dearie me. Are you a "cat'lick" as well as a pedo-loving doofus? I
COULD say how those two seem to go along together so it wouldn't
surprise me if you were, but that would be like shooting Skiltaires in a
barrel.
>
> >
> >
> > Hasn't anyone out there even TRIED to seek independent info as to what
> > is going on? Seems off that no one has even tried to find out the name
> > of Paul's attorney in the hopes of organising some sort of aid (hint in
> > advance: wearing a fursuit with a floppy-dong in the front and picketing
> > the courthouse won't help Paul's case any. Please don't do that).
>
> Blatant ridicule of fursuiters and insult noted.
No. The idea of a parade of fursuiters banging on a cymbal like some
sort of cross between the Care Bears and a group of Hare Krishna at LAX
does well to ridicule themselves.
> And since Paul's attorney
> couldn't discuss the case with us anyway (little thing called
> attorney-client privilege), that would be as pointless as a revival of
> Furplay. He couldn't tell us anything, including what kind of aid might be
> useful, because he's prohibited from discussing facts of the case outside
> the courtroom and client conferences.
Well now that the bastard's been convicted right & proper, how about now?
>
> So, again: If you get more information, tell us and gloat. Until then, all
> you can gloat about is setting a new record for conclusion-jumping.
At least I'm a free man. Paul won't have the luxury going for him soon.
So much for his hoped-for media empire. Watch it all go down the
hoooooolllllle.
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa}
> I just spoke with Marc Schirmeister who tells me Paul has been found
> guilty of the child porn charges he was hit with. Marc says Paul is in
> desperate need of character reference letters ("To Whom It May
> Concern") testifying to his upright moral character & basic decency
> for an appeal he's putting together.
I'll just point out that sorce of this post isn't reliable so I
strongly suggest you find confirmation of the above before you do
anything.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia. See
http://dformosa.zeta.org.au/~dformosa/Spelling.html to find out more.
Free the Memes.
IceCat
thing that I have to say is Mike, just let it go, I know that you like
to kick people when they are down but it's gotten so old, and
repetivive that you are only going to turn more people against you,
and that unfortunately is starting to happen to me as well.
Just one other thing Mike, you really do need to "get a life".
Thougyh I've been critical of the fandom, more precisely it's
problems, I tend to stay out of personal attacks, and you know that
too, oh well...
As for Pual Kidd, I've talked to him at a couple of cons in the past,
nice guy really. As for whatever slight he gave you in the past,
that's old too and you should just drop it as well.
Later
IceCat
Furry Observer, and Skeptic
Brock Ulfsen
> I also still find the 'cartoon animals = pornography' argument highly
> questionable. For a start, according to reports here, he wasn't
> arrested for the general charge of pornography, but specifically for
> child pornography. Child pornography has to have children in it,
> presumably.
Under Australian Law (copied from a bright idea in Canada) your Grandma
in a school uniform showing off her panties is kiddie porn.
> As I said before. I would be _extremely_ surprised and
> alarmed if any judge found that drawings of adult anthropmorphic
> animals, however spoogey, constituted child porn. They're not human,
> they're not children, and they're not photographs. I would be amazed
> if any judge was so stupid as to look at a lewd drawing of adult
> anthropomorphic characters, and reach the conclusion that it had
> something to do with child pornography on the premise that mostly
> children read cartoons. And if the prosecution did argue that, the
> defense would surely only have to point out that western pop culture
> has been awash with explicit adult comics for over a decade.
But those adult comics have been illegal to sell and (possibly) possess
in some Australian states since time immemorial. Just because you can
buy something in NYC does not mean it is legal in Hobart. Indeed just
because a comic shop sells you something doesn't mean that it is legal,
they may simply have been opperating under the Police radar at the time.
Some states the line is drawn at indecent rather than obscene material.
And yes, the idea that anything "cartoony" is for children has been
around for some time. In Australia, it only has to be a portrailal,
doesn't have to be a photograph, drawings can be indecent/obscene too...
...Brock.
Brock Ulfsen
>
>
> mhirtes wrote:
>
>> Jack squat most likely. Things like this might have been more useful
>> during the trial phase, but it's too late for that now. Paul Kidd is
>> now a _convicted_ sex offender.
>
>
> The trial phase, as I understand it, was stacked rather heavily
> against Paul as a result of the way the rules of evidence play out in
> Australian courts. The prosecution makes its case, the defense has a
> chance for rebuttal; then, the prosecution has a chance to address and
> destroy the defense's evidence, but the defense has no second rebuttal.
> One of the things denied Paul was his career: having given evidence that
> he was an author, and the prosecution immediately denied that Paul was
> in anyway a published author, and he was given no opportunity to prove
> his claim. Front to end, the matter sounds very much like a snowjob,
> fueled by a few overanxious and overreaching prudish individuals who
> overreacted at some harmless baby pictures, and pushed through by
> ambitious trial lawyers.
Ambition in Lawyers is largely irrelevant here in Australia.
While many do run as City Councillors, or State or Commonwealth
Parliamnetarians, their career in Law is almost never mentioned.
...Brock.
Bob Guthrie
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} <dfor...@zeta.org.au> wrote:
> I'll just point out that sorce of this post isn't reliable so I
> strongly suggest you find confirmation of the above before you do
> anything.
The source (IF you are talking about Schirmeister) is indeed reliable,
since they both talk by phone in almost a weekly basis, and that's
without counting the steady amount of snail mail they have been
exchanging back and forth for many years.
BMG
--
"One of these days, we'll look back on this and laugh. Of
course, it will be one of those dark, eerie chuckles that
slowly grows into an insane howl, but it will still be a laugh."
iBuck
>>> now a _convicted_ sex offender.
What has that got to do with his being in the in the furry fandom, any more
than some other convicted sex-offender being a model train enthusiast?
As much as it seems he caught a bad rap, nobody's done anything to establish
that it was because of his anthroart...
That's where Mikey's argument gets ripped to shreads..
"You can have it Quickly,Correct, Complex - Pick 2"
mhirtes
lncra...@aol.com.star (iBuck) wrote:
> >Paul Kidd is
> >>> now a _convicted_ sex offender.
>
> What has that got to do with his being in the in the furry fandom,
If you cannot "connect the dots", then you truly ARE a typical furry.
Chuck Melville
mhirtes wrote:
> In any case, regardless of the year, kiddie pr0n (yep, I used that word
> again. And you can't stop me from using it unless you have it
> copyrighted) is frowned upon, and the excuse of "It was my :friend" that
> downloaded thos child pics, not me." has me laughing in tears. God, such
> a LAME excuse.
So far, I haven't seen anything that's said that there -was- kiddie
porn on Paul's computer. What was found was typical furry art, which
was (from accounts thus far) -assumed- to be kiddie porn by the prosecution.
>
>>>How come the only POV we have been getting on the day-to-day has ONLY
>>>been from Paul himself? Ask any pedo about his "taste" and he will
>>>always tell you that his desire to bugger little boys like a Cardinal on
>>>Viagra is not only normal, but superior to the average person.
>>
>>1: Actually, Paul hasn't posted. His friends have.
>
>
> Yes dumbass. That's the point.
>
> Oh, that's RIGHT. Paul doesn't HAVE a computer right now.
>
> Care to tell us WHY he doesn't have a computer right now?
>
Paul still has access to his computer. He's been convicted, but not
yet sentenced, and there -is- going to be an appeal. We don't hear from
him here because, primarily, he doesn't read or post to AFF. I
sincerely doubt he even knows about this thread, or even really cares.
Tashta
From: "mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: Paul Kidd found guilty - needs character reference letters
> In article <qmaCc.98334$0y.42866@attbi_s03>,
> "Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > However, I wouldn't talk about "mothers" if I was you. You're the one
who
> > lost all sense of sanity the last time someone mentioned YOURS.
>
> Because the subject was off-limits until you furs HAD to even stoop that
> low. Now it's truly been TOTAL WAR ever since.
Heh. She was not "the subject" if I recall correctly. The posting said
something like "Now that your mother's not around..." which had no bearing
on your mother itself, it was the subject of you being alone. You chose to
see it that way as an excuse for your sick little obsession to attack
anything "furry" oriented. Me thinks you protest far *far* too much.
> > Heh, a few of the folks here already know who I am by my nick, don't ya
> > folks? And I'm sure not an inexperienced 18 year old. Far from it. And
those
> > that do know I already have a boyfriend. Two, actually.
> >
> > > Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> > > still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> > > Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
> >
> > *I* never said *I* was 18. I said that you had commissioned artwork from
a
> > girl who was barely 18. I never said I was that girl.
>
> Okay. Correction taken. However, the fact that she was still 18 hasn't
> changed.
True, very true. Interesting that you immediately ranted at her the moment
you misread the posting, however. Again, you DID go off half-cocked. (Oops,
did I write that? Sorry to mention your limitations.)
I've never seen so much tap dancing since the last dozen replays of River
Dance. *chortle*
> > Again, wrong, psycho man. She IS proud of it. She did a good job. She
should
> > be. It's the hypocritical way you approach furry fandom and yet you
> > commission FURRY art even so. Furry PORN no less. That's what I was
> > referring to. *I* don't need to make "brownie points." Oh and you
mention
> > Tamar's sales? Oh, is poor Michael STILL jealous that Tamar actually has
a
> > successful 'zine compared to your flop? Poor baby.
>
> Jealous? Of having to cater to the whims of a pack of slobbering
> assholes with fake tails? Oh FUCK NO! The day I stopped doing my zine
> was a most liberating experience. Forever free from the mass idiocy of
> furrydumb, it gave me a whole happier outlook on life. Too bad you're
> too afraid to try to escape it as I and so many others before me have
> done.
Heh, again the ranting and protesting too much. You used to cater and cater
and cater and think SO much of your position in the world. Folks not
catering to your whims is what turned you against them. Again, poor baby.
Just can't deal with the harsh reality of the world. And you're not "free"
from the mass idiocy. If you were, you wouldn't be here. Happy? You? Bwa ha
ha ha!
I'm not afraid of anything. I don't need to be. I don't need to escape. I
don't deal with the less desirable portions of ANY fandom. That's what being
an adult means. Choice. You are far from being an adult, and you ARE afraid
to "escape."
> I've said it before and I'll say it again, I seriously think that
> whatever the court has on Paul, it's GOT to be a LOT more illegal than
> some naked vixens with big tits. Don't expect Pual to give you the WHOLE
> story however. As Jack said in that film, "You can't handle the truth!".
>
Truth? I wouldn't go there, Michael. There are things hidden so deep in your
closet you're afraid to go there.
> > And you've got plenty of ass to laugh off. You'd better find more to
make
> > you chuckle. This may take a while.
>
> With furrydumb out there making an ass of itself in front of the world
> 24/7 for years, the everflowing fountain of hilarity has never stopped.
I'm sure you will continue laughing until the guys in the white coats take
you away. Again, you protest too much and you focus a good portion of your
life in attacking something that you keep stating you've escaped from. You
haven't and you never will until you literally LEAVE the fandom, which you
have not yet done and I don't think you have the balls to do so. The moment
you stop purchasing furry artwork, stop complaining that you've been
wronged, (though you never mention exactly *how* you've been wronged) and
stop posting on any furry board you can get your fingers on, you will BE A
PART of furry fandom--whether it's in the negative or positive was your
choice and I suspect you know this, you're simply afraid to leave it. You
receive far too much attention with your rants and attacks. Far more than
you ever did with your 'zine. All you wanted was a little attention. Poor
little boy. Now that you know how to get it, you can't stop. You're
addicted. Period. Heh. Calling you a hypocrite is a gentle thing. You're far
worse than that--and you enjoy every little bit. Who's the sicko here?
BR
> Under Australian Law (copied from a bright idea in Canada) your Grandma
> in a school uniform showing off her panties is kiddie porn.
*shudder*
--
-- James Fenimore Cooper
The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes,
knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.
mhirtes
Chuck Melville <cp...@zipcon.com> wrote:
> mhirtes wrote:
>
> > In any case, regardless of the year, kiddie pr0n (yep, I used that word
> > again. And you can't stop me from using it unless you have it
> > copyrighted) is frowned upon, and the excuse of "It was my :friend" that
> > downloaded thos child pics, not me." has me laughing in tears. God, such
> > a LAME excuse.
>
> So far, I haven't seen anything that's said that there -was- kiddie
> porn on Paul's computer. What was found was typical furry art, which
> was (from accounts thus far) -assumed- to be kiddie porn by the prosecution.
Okay then. Just what IS the damning evidence that sent Paul Kidd to
Hell? Obviously the cops must have got SOMEthing on him.
>
> Paul still has access to his computer. He's been convicted, but not
> yet sentenced, and there -is- going to be an appeal.
As soon as he coughs up 50 large.
Better get out a BIG hat, furrydumb.
Paul Johnson
Hash: SHA1
icecat6...@yahoo.com (IceCat) writes:
> Was just reading the replies by M Hirtes on the subject, and the only
> thing that I have to say is Mike, just let it go, I know that you like
YHBT. mhirtes is the resident netkook. His rhetoric is funnier when
you realize he used to call himself and his
> Just one other thing Mike, you really do need to "get a life".
Yes, that and a job.
> As for Pual Kidd, I've talked to him at a couple of cons in the past,
> nice guy really. As for whatever slight he gave you in the past,
> that's old too and you should just drop it as well.
No slight, mhirtes just doesn't have any good reason to act the way he
does.
OT: Looks like Yahoo broke the YIM protocol again...good thing Jabber
doesn't suffer from such stupidity.
- --
Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursine.ca>
Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
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mouse
>
> OT: Looks like Yahoo broke the YIM protocol again...good thing Jabber
> doesn't suffer from such stupidity.
Ah, I was wondering what happened...Im using Trillain.
Is it going to fixed or does trillian have to be patched ?
Wanderer
"While i am very
touched by the love and support of the fandom I have always been a
dedicated part of, we're handling this intelligently and diligently. So no
need for weird letter campaigns to ambassadors or riots in the street. I
have been attacked by a series of bizarre rules manipulated by bizarre
minds. We shall turn the system back on them and counterattack.
We shall prevail.
Do send the community all my love - and tell them I'm happy to fight the
fight for the fandom. If anyone on earth had to stand up in court to defend
fandom, then thank the gods it was someone articulate, reputable and devoid
of a personalised Juan Alfonso collection.
Cheers!
Paul"
Pretty much says it all, I think. I'll be back shortly to post a response
to the ever-furgetful furplayer, Michael Hirtes... blasted mouse seized up
when it saw his website.
Yours wolfishly,
The ever-responsive,
BR
> blasted mouse seized up when it saw his website.
Bet he's never done that before. :>
Wanderer
<snip... re: page from "Fangs of Ka'ath" on
http://www.furnation.com/furplay/FARK/kiddisapedo.jpg >
> Does it? ;)
>
Not for us to look at, no. As any forensic programmer can tell you, though,
it's easy enough to recover. Plus, of course, the original post by Dave the
Occasional Vargr, which no doubt prompted the rapid housecleaning.
> Again, the fact that Paul's fucked hasn't budged one inch.
And again, you cuss. Your parents must be so proud... they've raised a
dictionary of profanity.
>
> >
> > In any event, unless you can cite actual facts of the case, you're a
> > half-informed bystander, just like the rest of us. Thus, I give you
about
> > as much credence (without the clearwater revival) as any other
> > profanity-spouting, I33t-typing, hypocritical conclusion-jumper would
get
> > from me.
>
> And yet, I was the one who suspects that there are more details to the
> case than what Paul has been feeding you kissups with an eyedropper.
> Always read between the lines.
As opposed to your graffito, which you've spread between, across, and
through all the lines in hopes of blurring the issue: Namely, that you know
just as little as we do.
> > Chester's rather blatantly adult, actually. Besides, it doesn't take
much,
> > under the right administration. Child pornography charges are just the
> > thing for an election year, when you need something to point to and say,
> > "See, I'm protecting our children".
>
> Is there an election going on this year in Australia too? I don't give a
> shit so I didn't bother to check.
Yep. NBR says it may be as soon as August. But why cuss out Australia over
your lack of worldly knowledge?
>
> In any case, regardless of the year, kiddie pr0n (yep, I used that word
> again. And you can't stop me from using it unless you have it
> copyrighted) is frowned upon, and the excuse of "It was my :friend" that
> downloaded thos child pics, not me." has me laughing in tears. God, such
> a LAME excuse.
So if, by some strange quirk of reality, you actually found another human
being worthy of touching your computer, we would be completely justified to
doubt that something they d/l'd, whether pornography or virus, was anyone's
doing but your own? The sequence of actions is within the realm of
possibility; therefore, it may not be completely discounted without evidence
to the contrary.
> > And when you have a clue what that "something" was that your contrived
> > little plot requires, you let us know, dearie. Until then, you don't
know
> > any more than we do.
>
> Oh, the fact that it did the job is enough to make me happy. Bravo,
> M'lud! Bravo!
Typical. About the level of intellectual activity I'd expect from someone
who can't even sell pornography... oh, excuse me: "Adult Artwork". The
beaver shots are high-class, after all...
> > 1: Actually, Paul hasn't posted. His friends have.
>
> Yes dumbass. That's the point.
>
> Oh, that's RIGHT. Paul doesn't HAVE a computer right now.
>
> Care to tell us WHY he doesn't have a computer right now?
>
> ;)
Care to tell us how I got an e-mail from his computer if he doesn't have a
computer right now?
:>
>
> >
> > 2: Example invalid, especially since the celebrated Washington state
case
> > where the convicted pedophile was incredibly happy to be caught, and
> > requested hanging as his means of execution. (He wanted it televised to
> > help stop other child molesters, but that was kiboshed by the networks;
> > public executions have gone the way of the dodo, it seems.) Nice
> > Catholic-bashing, by the way. Who'd you steal it from?
>
> Oh dearie me. Are you a "cat'lick" as well as a pedo-loving doofus? I
> COULD say how those two seem to go along together so it wouldn't
> surprise me if you were, but that would be like shooting Skiltaires in a
> barrel.
You're ignoring the question and losing your memory again. Not only have
you completely forgotten that I'm a Protestant Christian (not that I expect
you to know the difference without three Bibles, two pastors, and a
translator), you didn't answer the question: What person smarter than
yourself originated that joke? The list is so long, you know...
Oh, and the charge was "child pornography", not "child molestation". I'd've
expected a pornographer such as yourself to know the difference, if only for
professional reasons.
> > Blatant ridicule of fursuiters and insult noted.
>
> No. The idea of a parade of fursuiters banging on a cymbal like some
> sort of cross between the Care Bears and a group of Hare Krishna at LAX
> does well to ridicule themselves.
Yes, your idea was ridiculous, and contained no cymbal-ism at all.
>
> > And since Paul's attorney
> > couldn't discuss the case with us anyway (little thing called
> > attorney-client privilege), that would be as pointless as a revival of
> > Furplay. He couldn't tell us anything, including what kind of aid might
be
> > useful, because he's prohibited from discussing facts of the case
outside
> > the courtroom and client conferences.
>
> Well now that the bastard's been convicted right & proper, how about now?
Nope. Sentencing still to come, then appeal. Mr. Kidd is still his client,
and he may therefore not discuss the case with anyone besides his client.
>
> >
> > So, again: If you get more information, tell us and gloat. Until then,
all
> > you can gloat about is setting a new record for conclusion-jumping.
>
> At least I'm a free man. Paul won't have the luxury going for him soon.
>
> So much for his hoped-for media empire. Watch it all go down the
> hoooooolllllle.
<bows to Hirtes, motioning him forward> You go first, to make sure it's
clear.
Yours wolfishly,
The slightly-disgusted,
Wanderer
news:pan.2004.06.24....@comcast.net...
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:01:50 -0500, Wanderer wrote:
>
> > blasted mouse seized up when it saw his website.
>
> Bet he's never done that before. :>
>
You'd lose that bet. This thing's twitchy.:/ Anyone know a good
replacement brand, preferably in black to match the computer?
Yours hopefurry,
The mouse-clutching,
(But not too hard...)
Paul Johnson
Hash: SHA1
mouse <mo...@blackvault.com> writes:
Don't count on either happening. Yahoo's stubborn and trying to break
support deliberately, Trillian's proprietary and by definition opaque.
Fortunately, Jabber doesn't have this problem. http://jabber.org/
- --
Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursine.ca>
Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
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"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> writes:
> "BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.06.24....@comcast.net...
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:01:50 -0500, Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> > blasted mouse seized up when it saw his website.
>>
>> Bet he's never done that before. :>
>>
>
> You'd lose that bet. This thing's twitchy.:/ Anyone know a good
> replacement brand, preferably in black to match the computer?
Go down to your local computer store, and go find a good, comfortable
optical mouse. I've said for quite some time Microsoft makes better
hardware than software, my current mouse is a Microsoft Wheel Mouse USB
(which also comes with a PS/2 adapter if you're USB-impaired). It's
about the only thing that actually works as well in Windows as Linux.
- --
Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursine.ca>
Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
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mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, and the charge was "child pornography", not "child molestation". I'd've
> expected a pornographer such as yourself to know the difference, if only for
> professional reasons.
Poor dumb furry. Still thinking that it's still 1997.
Still thinking that talking about a zine I stopped doing years ago is
somehow going to hurt me.
And let's get back to the subject of this thread, where the first 4
words are "Paul Kidd found guilty".
:)
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> The letters are apparently a no-no:
>
> "While i am very
> touched by the love and support of the fandom I have always been a
> dedicated part of, we're handling this intelligently and diligently. So no
> need for weird letter campaigns to ambassadors or riots in the street. I
> have been attacked by a series of bizarre rules manipulated by bizarre
> minds. We shall turn the system back on them and counterattack.
Did they find a new job for "Baghdad Bob"?
>
> We shall prevail.
>
> Do send the community all my love - and tell them I'm happy to fight the
> fight for the fandom. If anyone on earth had to stand up in court to defend
> fandom, then thank the gods it was someone articulate, reputable and devoid
> of a personalised Juan Alfonso collection.
So, it's now back to the old maryr complex about Paul Kidd
single-handedly fighting against a clone army of John Ashcrofts for the
sanctity and dignity of furries everywhere.
Oh, the COMEDY!
You know, every time I start to think about walking away from this, you
loons do something stupid that just DEMANDS that I stick around just a
bit longer and savor the hilarity.
Dave The Dancing Hyena
Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
> Plus, of course, the original post by Dave the
>Occasional Vargr, which no doubt prompted the rapid housecleaning.
http://www.yonakasplace.net/HTML/1stlevel/fuzzypapers.html
I want a plushie eye tyrant.
---
"My men have a disease of the heart which can only be assuaged by
gold" - Hernan Cortez
Tashta
You?... "walk away?" Hardly. It's impossible. You're addicted to the
attention you receive at poking. It's the most attention you've probably
received in your entire life. Certainly more than you received when you were
involved with trying to create a potentially interesting 'zine. Giving the
events in this fandom as your excuse for sticking around is still an excuse.
*grin* You CAN'T walk way. If you did, you'd sit in your little no life
hidey hold and wonder and wonder and wonder what was going on in the fandom
that you could pick at today. You could not stay away from reading
alt.fan.furry if someone offered to pay you gobs of money. Addicts *say*
they can walk away anytime. Could you? Bwa ha ha ha. No.
Tamar
--
Shawntae Howard
www.extinctioners.com
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
news:mh-CA781C.09...@news.central.cox.net...
> In article <NneCc.146953$DG4....@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
> "PlanetFur" <cb...@dragonmagic.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Maybe you're flying off the handle at Paul Kidd because you want to
divert
> > attention from your own sick fetish? Yuck, bondage with furry girls,
sicko.
>
> WHO'S trying to divert here? LOL!
>
> Nice try, Planet Fart.
Tamar
--
Shawntae Howard
www.extinctioners.com
"mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
news:mh-2B4587.11...@news.central.cox.net...
> In article <cbc2ud$2f9d$1...@velox.critter.net>, "Tamar" <how...@erie.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Aw, Mikey, the guy that hates furry, but will still commission furry
porn
> > from little girls. No sir, there's absolutely no hypocrisy there at all.
:)
> > (Did my sales just go up?)
>
> Keep at it, clown. She's over 18 (she must be the oldest "little girl"
> I've ever heard of). Sorry to disappoint you there (well, actually I'm
> not sorry.).
Heh, still a kid. Highschooler even. Like 'em young and naive do ya?
(Judging by your looks that's probably a good thing. Can't imagine smart
mature women wanting to take a mountain climb on Mt. Hirtes).
>
> And, I've already stated too many times that I don't mind the art. It's
> the _fandom_ that's so disgusting and deserves to suffer unimaginable
> agonies in Hell (and Paul Kidd's already got a head start on most of you
> with that).
Yeah yeah, one man's pervert is another man's sicko. Seems to me you got a
complex fantasy of wanting to be dominate over as many woman against their
will as you can. King Hirtes, ruler of borderline S&M porn.
> And BTW, Paul Kidd is STILL doomed to toss salad unless he ejects asap
> and scarfs down a bottle of pills first.
>
So, don't even know the guy. Just laughing at your own wackiness.
And for the record, I'm one that wishes your mom WAS still around. Maybe
she's make you get off your fat ass and get a job instead of typing on NGs
all day.
Tashta
nose would have survived the soda. *chuckle*
"Tamar" <how...@erie.net> wrote in message
news:cbeqet$7o2$1...@velox.critter.net...
Tashta
"Tamar" <how...@erie.net> wrote in message
news:cbc2ud$2f9d$1...@velox.critter.net...
> Aw, Mikey, the guy that hates furry, but will still commission furry porn
> from little girls. No sir, there's absolutely no hypocrisy there at all.
:)
> (Did my sales just go up?)
>
> --
> Shawntae Howard
> www.extinctioners.com
>
>
>
> "mhirtes" <m...@nospambots.com> wrote in message
> news:mh-9C2576.01...@news.central.cox.net...
> > In article <3a7Cc.78231$Hg2.52694@attbi_s04>,
> > "Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Something YOU commissioned in _April_ from a gal who had barely turned
> 18 to
> > > draw for you and from her blog, she mentions that she had trouble with
> it
> > > because, I quote "but got so frustrated about the way Michael wanted
to
> > > change everything all the time...Michael wanted me to change the leg
> > > positions of the harem girl in the back so you could see more of her..
> > > 'goods.'"
> >
> >
> > Okay, since we're dragging this all out in the open (amazing. You've
> > hardly been on the scene for long and already you're acting like a
> > classic furry. Do you need a boyfriend that will have similar traits you
> > can share? I'm sure O'Connell's not seeing anyone right now. Just ignore
> > his mom's drunken ravings on the other side of his bed and you two will
> > do just fine).
> >
> > Note the fact that you said that you are already 18 (barely turned is
> > still turned), and you DID sell your auction in the adult section on
> > Furbid. Sorry. No crime committed.
> >
> > And uh, guess what? I saved your email, and since you so obviously
> > believe in sharing:
> >
> > "I've finally finished it!! I hope you like it; I am actually happy to
> > say that I am really REALLY proud of it. I think it came out really
> > well; all that planning and going back on fixing things really paid-off.
> > It was amazing working with you;"
> >
> > So which of your obviously many personalities was I commissioning from?
> > The one who was really REALLY proud of this work and felt that all that
> > effort paid off, or the snotty furry beeotch who's trying to look cool
> > in front of the fandumb by dissing Hirtes in public (like all assclowns
> > do when they wanna make brownie points with their hoped for customers)?
> > God only knows how many issues of Ugghstinkshunnurz that Tumor sells
> > every time he rags at me here (lucky for me that I could download them
> > for free off of Sibe's IRC channel......IF I wanted to see such dogshit
> > as Howard's).
> >
> > And you know what? Stunts like the one you just pulled aren't exactly
> > convincing me that I've been one iota wrong about my utter DISGUST with
> > furries. Just another Damn Good Reason to add to the pile i can tell
> > others later in order to warn them away from the genre.
> >
> > That's probably why I laugh my ass off when I see videos like this being
> > distributed all over the world:
> >
> > http://www.wasteoftimevideos.com/fredryk/Courage-TheAntiFur.wmv
>
>
iBuck
>> the _fandom_ that's so disgusting and deserves to suffer unimaginable
>> agonies in Hell
Been looking in the mirror too much Mikey?
iBuck
>> with that
I thought you just said it was the -fans- that offended you... not the
artists...
Or is it the artists, you're prime gripes seem to be them, It's rare that you
ever go after a -fan-
And if it is the artist, why do you continue to support em?
Wanderer
> In article <10dl0aa...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, and the charge was "child pornography", not "child molestation".
I'd've
> > expected a pornographer such as yourself to know the difference, if only
for
> > professional reasons.
>
> Poor dumb furry. Still thinking that it's still 1997.
Funny, you were still selling the magazine through your website as of 2001
(Google caches everything: "Now available! Furplay #20!"). Either that,
or your memory is worse than it looks like, and you just furgot to edit the
page since 1997...
>
> Still thinking that talking about a zine I stopped doing years ago is
> somehow going to hurt me.
To be honest, no. It just hurts your credibility.:) I mean, you spent how
many years putting out smut, and now you're jumping up and down on the
docket, almost humping the judge's leg, because someone else is getting the
morals charge you should've been shafted with so many years ago?
>
> And let's get back to the subject of this thread, where the first 4
> words are "Paul Kidd found guilty".
>
> :)
And the next three are: "by Michael Hirtes".:>
Yours wolfishly,
The grinning,
Wanderer
news:40daaa80...@news.individual.net...
> "Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> shall never vanquished be until great
> Birnam wood to high alt.fan.furry. hill shall come against him.
>
> > Plus, of course, the original post by Dave the
> >Occasional Vargr, which no doubt prompted the rapid housecleaning.
>
> http://www.yonakasplace.net/HTML/1stlevel/fuzzypapers.html
>
> I want a plushie eye tyrant.
>
Wrong game. In any event, it looks like this particular plush isn't
actually a Vargr... just a female wolf in a kimono with obi. (Female
because the artist used the female pronoun, that's why.)
Yours quickly,
The wolfish,
Brian Henderson
wrote:
> So far, I haven't seen anything that's said that there -was- kiddie
>porn on Paul's computer. What was found was typical furry art, which
>was (from accounts thus far) -assumed- to be kiddie porn by the prosecution.
That sets an unsettling precident though. What happens when this kind
of thing happens in the US, as it almost certainly will? Furry porn
gets held as being inherently child pornography? Anyone possessing,
or any web site displaying furry porn becomes illegal?
mhirtes
Brian Henderson <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:
Hello? First it was the bathtub pix, THEN the story morphed into some
furry pr0n, THEN it morphed into kiddie porn that "some friend"
downloaded onto Paul's computer. The alibi keeps morphing and Paul isn't
helping things any by shuffling the details around all the time.
I mean come ON Paul! Tell us what it REALLY was; furry pron or kiddie
pics? What was that "smoking gun" that made the gavel come down on you,
and stick with THAT story.
mhirtes
wrote:
>
> Yeah yeah, one man's pervert is another man's sicko. Seems to me you got a
> complex fantasy of wanting to be dominate over as many woman against their
> will as you can. King Hirtes, ruler of borderline S&M porn.
Um, okay. If you say so.
mhirtes
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> You?... "walk away?" Hardly. It's impossible. You're addicted to the
> attention you receive at poking. It's the most attention you've probably
> received in your entire life. Certainly more than you received when you were
> involved with trying to create a potentially interesting 'zine. Giving the
> events in this fandom as your excuse for sticking around is still an excuse.
> *grin* You CAN'T walk way. If you did, you'd sit in your little no life
> hidey hold and wonder and wonder and wonder what was going on in the fandom
> that you could pick at today. You could not stay away from reading
> alt.fan.furry if someone offered to pay you gobs of money. Addicts *say*
> they can walk away anytime. Could you? Bwa ha ha ha. No.
>
>
Why walk away from the free freakshow that is the furry fandumb? If only
FOX would make a reality TV show about you guys. Talk about a ratings
inferno!
mhirtes
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
>
> Funny, you were still selling the magazine through your website as of 2001
> (Google caches everything: "Now available! Furplay #20!").
Did you notice that #20 was a FREE .PDF, and that it was up there for
several YEARS?
Boy, THAT was sure easy to swat down. Wasn't it, dumbass? I didn't even
get any experience points out of it. Try harder!
PlanetFur
>>Yeah yeah, one man's pervert is another man's sicko. Seems to me you got a
>>complex fantasy of wanting to be dominate over as many woman against their
>>will as you can. King Hirtes, ruler of borderline S&M porn.
>
> Um, okay. If you say so.
Sure. Harem girls forced to show off their beavers.
You admitted you got the commission, so didn't you say so as well?
PlanetFur
> Why walk away from the free freakshow that is the furry fandumb? If only
> FOX would make a reality TV show about you guys. Talk about a ratings
> inferno!
MHIRTES: (crying) Furries are attacking me! Furries are attacking my mother!
MHIRTES: (rage) It's all out war!
MHIRTES: (stupidly) Look at this and that! This person who's not even
posting can't even keep his story straight, when about a dozen people
are making different points relating to this topic!
MHIRTES: (vapidly) I like harem furry girl porn and beaver shots! But
those furries are sick perverted freaks who are into child porn! I'm not
one of them, but I like the art, but I think it's sick, but I'll pay
money to artists who will draw my fetish, but furry artists are against me!
Really, Mike, what's the freakshow? You and your paranoid delusional
furry perversions? Or the people here who are trying to figure out
what's going on with Paul Kidd?
Wait, wait, here comes the reply... A dodge, an elementary school-level
name calling, and further useless insults and idiocies!
Oh, yay, Hirtes is indeed in the right! </sarcasm>
PlanetFur
> Did you notice that #20 was a FREE .PDF, and that it was up there for
> several YEARS?
>
> Boy, THAT was sure easy to swat down. Wasn't it, dumbass? I didn't even
> get any experience points out of it. Try harder!
MHIRTES: Oh, shit, they caught me! Um . . . (angrily) It was a free
download and I didn't make money off it, so it doesn't count!
Nice dodge, again, although only the unintelligent would believe it for
a moment. You kept up and still keep up with furry porn to this day. No
matter how much you try to dodge that, YOU are into FURRY PORN.
So all this pointing at others and saying how terrible they are is
entirely hypocritical. Whether anyone else is into it doesn't change
that you are indeed a hypocrite. Paranoid and deluded, too, but that's
for another day and hopefully for a therapist.
iBuck
>of thing happens in the US, as it almost >certainly will?
What "almost certianly will"? The case seems pretty dependant on Australian
law, I don't doubt that at some point, someone will be busted with furry porn
on their comp (or allready has been) , but unless the laws are susbstantially
changed, I doubt that it would bring a case, much less a child porn one...
>Furry porn
>gets held as being inherently child pornography?
I seriously doubt it, first of all, Austtralia, has much stricter laws on
adult content, no first admendment, and the US's laws on Child Porn are still
tied to images that could be reasonably be thought to be -actuall- children.
mhirtes
PlanetFur <nos...@nospam.planetfur.com> wrote:
> mhirtes wrote:
>
> > Did you notice that #20 was a FREE .PDF, and that it was up there for
> > several YEARS?
> >
> > Boy, THAT was sure easy to swat down. Wasn't it, dumbass? I didn't even
> > get any experience points out of it. Try harder!
>
> MHIRTES: Oh, shit, they caught me! Um . . . (angrily) It was a free
> download and I didn't make money off it, so it doesn't count!
Yeah, but was I selling it? No.
When was it put up? 1999? Five years ago? Good answer. You get a gold
sticker.
No dodge on my part. And Paul's not gonna dodge HIS little problem
either.
mhirtes
PlanetFur <nos...@nospam.planetfur.com> wrote:
>
> Really, Mike, what's the freakshow? You and your paranoid delusional
> furry perversions? Or the people here who are trying to figure out
> what's going on with Paul Kidd?
>
Well, the fact IS that Paul seems to keep changing the story a lot. One
day it's kiddie pix, the next it's furry pr0n, the next it's kiddie pix
again (but this time it's all because some unnamed person in Paul's
house did the downloading). And you furries eat this shit up.
1. Download kiddie pr0n
2.
3. Profit
mhirtes
PlanetFur <nos...@nospam.planetfur.com> wrote:
And, just what is Skeletor doing in YOUR closet, Planetfart?
PlanetFur
>>Really, Mike, what's the freakshow? You and your paranoid delusional
>>furry perversions? Or the people here who are trying to figure out
>>what's going on with Paul Kidd?
>
> Well, the fact IS that Paul seems to keep changing the story a lot. One
> day it's kiddie pix, the next it's furry pr0n, the next it's kiddie pix
> again (but this time it's all because some unnamed person in Paul's
> house did the downloading). And you furries eat this shit up.
>
> 1. Download kiddie pr0n
> 2.
> 3. Profit
Yes, because, as you know, PAUL HASN'T POSTED HERE.
The only comments are from third-parties or people speculating.
Hey, what's that? Let's do the Mike thing and ignore facts just to rant.
And then let's use a stupid tiring joke that is used on Slashdot for
about three years.
Goddamn, Mike, you're so smart. No wonder your tirade against Furries is
doing something. And no wonder you can clearly make the distinction
between not being a furry and still commissioning furry underaged
pornography.
And yes, it does seem that the fact that people wouldn't buy FurPlay
seems to steam you. You were doing FurPlay years after you claim people
harmed you. Five years is much newer than the eleven or so years you
said you got burned. And you're still commissioning furry art.
So, you're a furry, and you hate it that nearly every other furry is
doing so much better than you are in life and with friends.
No one cries for you, and you aren't even coming close to insulting
anyone. Go back to CYD where you can have at least someone who thinks
you're intelligent.
Tashta
What's the matter Hirtes? Can't stand no knowing what's REALLY happening on
Paul's end? Poor sweet little troll. Some people know how to keep their
personal lives their own. *chortle* His friends will contact HIM. I'm sure
he's a little busy to post stuff to as small a pond as AFF. Paul is morphing
nothing. You're the one doing all the speculation and hoping for terrible
things to happen to him.
Karma is a bitch...
Martin Skunk
> furry pr0n, THEN it morphed into kiddie porn that "some friend"
> downloaded onto Paul's computer. The alibi keeps morphing and Paul isn't
> helping things any by shuffling the details around all the time.
> I mean come ON Paul! Tell us what it REALLY was; furry pron or kiddie
> pics? What was that "smoking gun" that made the gavel come down on you,
> and stick with THAT story.
(taken from
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaAustralia1.asp )
Section 92NBof the ACT Crimes Act relates to the manufacture
of child pornography, Possession of child pornography
1) A person who knowingly has in his or her possession a film,
photograph, drawing, audio tape, video tape or any other
thing depicting or otherwise representing a young person
engaged in, or in the presence of another person engage in,
an act of a sexual nature, being a depiction or representation
that would offend a reasonable adult person, is guilty of an
offence punishable, on conviction, by imprisonment for 5
years.
2) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against
subsection (1) that the defendant reasonably believed that
the person depicted or otherwise represented as a young
person was not under the age of 16 years.
3) In this section 'young person' means a person who is under
the age of 16 years.
1) A person who knowingly has in his or her possession a film,
photograph, drawing, audio tape, video tape or any other thing
depicting or otherwise representing a young person engaged in,
or in the presence of another person engage in, an act of a
sexual nature, being a depiction or representation that would
offend a reasonable adult person, a film, photograph,
drawing, audio tape, video tape or any other thing depicting
or otherwise representing a young person engaged in, or in
the presence of another person engage in, an act of a sexual
nature.
2) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence against
subsection (1) that the defendant reasonably believed
that the person depicted or otherwise represented as a
young person was not under the age of 16 years.
3) In this section 'young person' means a person who is under
the age of 16 years.
-----
From this little bit of information, I can deduce that:
1) The material found on Mr. Kidd's property fits into the "child
pornography" definition by Australian laws, or at least, it's serious enough
to convince a judge. (a film, photograph, drawing, audio tape, video tape or
any other thing depicting ...a young person engaged in ... an act of a
sexual nature).
2) Mr. Paul Kidd will base his defense by saying he wasn't aware of the
presence of that material on his property, and that the material was
downloaded from the internet by a third person. Regardless of whatever
really happened, he will stick to that line and will hold it until the end.
Don't expect Mr. Kidd saying otherwise, or confessing he downloaded the
material himself, since it would damage his defense.
3) It's hard to exactly tell what kind of material has been found on Mr.
Kidd's computer, but we can deduce a few things: it involves children
(either real or furry children, since "cub art" would fall into the
Australian definition of child pornography); and apparently, there may be
some link to the furry fandom into it.
4) Mr. Kidd is in serious problems, and even if he manages to enforce an
appeal, his alibi is too weak to have serious chances of being accepted. The
charges are very serious and, beyond the time he would spend on prison, the
damage to his reputation is devastating.
Leaving apart the fact of whether furry art was or not involved, I think
it wouldn't be a bad idea to do a reflexion about "cub art" and its possible
effects in somebody's life. As you can deduce from the Australian
definition, "cub art" could be counted as child pornography.
---Martin Skunk
Tashta
People asking you what YOU have in your closet starting to bug you, little
roach? *chuckle* (Lots and lots of harem "beavers" hidden there, I'm sure.
:P)
Tashta
Dream on, roach baby. The kind of people they really focus on are obsessive
compulsive weirdo's like you, that try to act normal but can't keep it in
their pants when the chips are down.
Bet you have the stickiest keyboard of all...
Tashta
he did simply in hopes that folks will start thinking that Paul IS changing
his stories. He's not. He's said nothing...at all. He can't. He's going
through the proceedings etc and to do so might be detrimental to his case,
or are you really that uneducated? Oh wait, that was a silly question on my
part.
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mhirtes
Yep. It's me. The one you love to hate. :)
In article <iFJCc.140210$3x.91751@attbi_s54>,
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> People asking you what YOU have in your closet starting to bug you, little
> roach? *chuckle* (Lots and lots of harem "beavers" hidden there, I'm sure.
> :P)
What? Are you upset because it doesn't have pooping shemale versions of
Amy?
mhirtes
"Martin Skunk" <m_s...@notcoldmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2) Mr. Paul Kidd will base his defense by saying he wasn't aware of the
> presence of that material on his property, and that the material was
> downloaded from the internet by a third person. Regardless of whatever
> really happened, he will stick to that line and will hold it until the end.
> Don't expect Mr. Kidd saying otherwise, or confessing he downloaded the
> material himself, since it would damage his defense.
And just what ABOUT "Uncle Sticky"? Who IS this ALLEGED third party? Is
it someone from the fandumb? I gotta admit that when it comes to the
idea of someone who just gives computers away and likes to stay over,
the first name that came to my mind was Kevin Duane, but even Kevin
wouldn't slither so low as to deal in kiddy porn (would he?).
>
> 3) It's hard to exactly tell what kind of material has been found on Mr.
> Kidd's computer, but we can deduce a few things: it involves children
> (either real or furry children, since "cub art" would fall into the
> Australian definition of child pornography); and apparently, there may be
> some link to the furry fandom into it.
BUS-TEDDDDDDDDDD!!!!
>
> 4) Mr. Kidd is in serious problems, and even if he manages to enforce an
> appeal, his alibi is too weak to have serious chances of being accepted. The
> charges are very serious and, beyond the time he would spend on prison, the
> damage to his reputation is devastating.
And, doesn't Australia have a law that requires the ex-con to register
as a sex ofender everwhere he goes, AND has to notify all the new
neighbors in any place he moves to?
Oh yeah. The idea of a Tank Vixens TV show for Cartoon Network just went
KA-BOOM!
> Leaving apart the fact of whether furry art was or not involved, I think
> it wouldn't be a bad idea to do a reflexion about "cub art" and its possible
> effects in somebody's life. As you can deduce from the Australian
> definition, "cub art" could be counted as child pornography.
Gee. Do you all think it's FINALLY FUCKING TIME for you guys to finally
admit that the fandumb has been on the wrong course all this time? It
FINALLY took a situation where one of you guys actually has been hauled
before a judge before you would wake up and smell the elevator semen?
I _know_ it will require you to admit that Michael "The Devil" Hirtes
was right all along about the fandumb's chronic, almost terminal
sickness, but it's a fact all the same.
Tashta
this particular fandom and is going through something like this does not
mean that ALL fandom is as you claim...deviant. Or that all authors are
deviant. Or that all erotic artists have some deviant streak in them. You
are SO desperate to find someone to believe you about ALL of furry fandom.
It's never going to happen. After all, there are sleazy folks in EVERY
fandom. There are sleazy, deviant folks everywhere. Some are pedophiles,
*some* are parent abusers...
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Tashta
up with *that* one. Sheesh. Thanks for clueing us in on your personal sick
little fantasies.
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mhirtes
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Karma is a bitch...
Actually, that's you.
Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.
>"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:01:50 -0500, Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> > blasted mouse seized up when it saw his website.
>>
>> Bet he's never done that before. :>
>
>You'd lose that bet. This thing's twitchy.:/ Anyone know a good
>replacement brand, preferably in black to match the computer?
My Dad is over 50, and has a little trouble handling a mouse. His hands were
fine, but he had a bad habit of bearing down on the poor thing, crushing it and
wedging the ball into it's seat so badly it could not move.
I recommend what we used to solve his problem: a "marble mouse." It fits your
hand like a mouse, but it works like a trackball -- the ball sits on TOP of the
device, forcing you to use your fingertips so you can't bear down on it and
cause damage. It takes a little getting used to, but he hasn't had the problem
since.
The brand name is Logitech, but I'm certain there are other manufacturers. I'm
less certain you'll find one building them in designer colors but it's
certainly not implausible (saw a glow-in-the-dark keyboard the other day, of
all things).
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Paul Johnson
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ratfinks...@aol.comNOREPLY (Obvious Fake. Do Not Harvest.) writes:
>>From: "Wanderer" wand...@ticnet.com
>>"BR" <brodr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:01:50 -0500, Wanderer wrote:
>>>
>>> > blasted mouse seized up when it saw his website.
>>> Bet he's never done that before. :>
>>
>>You'd lose that bet. This thing's twitchy.:/ Anyone know a good
>>replacement brand, preferably in black to match the computer?
>
> My Dad is over 50, and has a little trouble handling a mouse. His
> hands were fine, but he had a bad habit of bearing down on the poor
> thing, crushing it and wedging the ball into it's seat so badly it
> could not move.
Optical mice are really handy for that sort of thing as well. A bit
harder to crush than a trackball, and no rollers to gunk up.
> I recommend what we used to solve his problem: a "marble mouse." It fits
> your hand like a mouse, but it works like a trackball -- the ball sits
> on TOP of the device, forcing you to use your fingertips so you can't
> bear down on it and cause damage. It takes a little getting used to, but
> he hasn't had the problem since.
And utterly impossible to game on...
- --
Paul Johnson
<ba...@ursine.ca>
Linux. You can find a worse OS, but it costs more.
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mhirtes
"Tashta" <tas...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Bwa ha ha ha. It would take a twisted little light avoider like you to come
> up with *that* one. Sheesh. Thanks for clueing us in on your personal sick
> little fantasies.
Right. Whatever you say.
Kidd's _still_ fucked, by the way. :)
M. Mitchell Marmel
"Wanderer" <wand...@ticnet.com> wrote:
> You'd lose that bet. This thing's twitchy.:/ Anyone know a good
> replacement brand, preferably in black to match the computer?
I've gotten very good service from a Logitech USB optical mouse.
-MMM-
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