YCDTOSA vol. 2 vinyl

[Michael Brenna]

Do any of the YCDTOSA vol. 2 vinyl tracks contain extended edits, apart from duplicated material in connection with LP side shifts?

According to http://www.discogs.com/Zappa-You-Cant-Do-That-On-Stage-Anymore-Vol-2-The-Helsinki-Concert/release/2455837:
CD set total 1:56:44 - LP labels 1:59:09 [+2:25]
• CD1 total 1:01:34 - LP labels 1:02:04 [+0:30]
• CD2 total 0:55:10 - LP labels 57:05 [+1:55]

LP sides 1+2: CD 39:43 - LP labels 39:46 [+0:02]

LP side 3: CD 21:51 - LP label 22:18 [+0:27]
• track 1 Pygmy Twylyte (incl. Room Service): CD 14:44 - LP label 15:25 [+0:41]
• track 2 The Idiot Bastard Son: CD 2:39 - LP label 2:27 [-0:12]
• track 3 Cheepnis: CD 4:28 - LP label 4:26 [-0:02]

LP sides 4+5: CD 36:02 - LP labels 36:32 [+0:30]
• side 4, track 1 Approximate: CD 8:12 - LP label 8:11 [-0:01]
• side 4, track 2 + side 5, track 1 Dupree's Paradise: CD 23:59 - LP labels 24:34 [+0:35]
• side 5, track 2 Satumaa (Finnish Tango): CD 3:51 - LP label 3:47 [-0:04]

LP side 6: CD 19:08 - LP label 20:33 [+1:25]
• track 1 T'Mershi Duween: CD 1:31 - LP label 1:53 [+0:22]
• track 2 Dog/Meat (incl. Building A Girl): CD 5:06 - LP label 5:57 [+0:51]
• track 3 Montana (Whipping Floss): CD 10:15 - LP label 10:26 [+0:11]
• track 4 Big Swifty: CD 2:16 - LP label 2:17 [+0:01]

[Frunobulax_also]

wow -had no idea this was ever *on* vinyl

Have the Sampler double LP but ... cool.

[Ron Moses]

The FAQ doesn't indicate any differences, but of course the absence of evidence is not evidence.

http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/stage.html#vinylbox

ron

[Michael Brenna]

Exactly my problem. I don't believe there are any differences, since none seem to have been reported over all these years.

But I am still suspicious, because:
1) I haven't seen any positive statement to the contrary,
2) I qot no comprehensive response to the same enquiry on zappateers.com, and
3) significant time differences are still unaccounted for, if track times on discogs.com are correct.

Charles Ulrich, Pat Busby, Mike Espinoza and all you other central scrutinizers, are you working on this? :-D

[pbuzb...@yahoo.com]

I'd be glad to, if I had access to the LPs or a rip.

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL

[Michael Brenna]

Same here. 100$ on eBay is too much for to little (if anything at all).
:-) mb

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

On Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:46:50 PM UTC-7, Michael Brenna wrote:

> • track 3 Montana (Whipping Floss): CD 10:15 - LP label 10:26 [+0:11]

The LP label, at least on my copy, actually says 0:26, an obvious typo.

Just comparing the rest of that side, TD is longer than CD because it includes a substantial amount of the "Doo-Doo Room" riff from the end of the previous track as a fade-in. DM/BAG is longer than on CD because it includes the audience interaction that is tracked as part of WP on the CD. WP itself is NOT longer than on CD if we take the 0:26 as a typo for 9:26.

In short, without A/B-ing the whole set, I'm pretty positive that there is nothing on the LP that is not on the CD.

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:12:20 AM UTC-7, Biffy the Elephant Shrew wrote:
> DM/BAG is longer than on CD because it includes the audience interaction that is tracked as part of WP on the CD. WP itself is NOT longer than on CD if we take the 0:26 as a typo for 9:26.

P.S.: Apologies for the faulty abbreviation. Of course I meant M(WF), not WP.

YP,
BTES

[Charles Ulrich]

I don't have the LP either.

--Charles

[Michael Brenna]

kl. 20:14:36 UTC+2 lørdag 18. mai 2013 skrev Biffy the Elephant Shrew følgende:
> On Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:12:20 AM UTC-7, Biffy the Elephant Shrew wrote:
> > DM/BAG is longer than on CD because it includes the audience interaction
> > that is tracked as part of

> M(WF)

Thank you.

So:
• the side 4/side 5 overlap explains Dupree's Paradise, CD 23:59 vs. LP 24:34 [+0:35]
• the side 5/side 6 overlap explains T'Mershi Duween, CD 1:31 vs. LP 1:53 [+0:22]

Does a similar overlap between side 2 and 3 account for the extra 27 second on side 3, i.e. most of the extra time on Pygmy Twylyte/Room Service? (The remaining extra 12 or 14 seconds on Pygmy Twylyte/Room Service would be explained by a shift of the Twylyte riff from the subsequent Idiot bastard Son.)

I still don't get the full picture of the extra 60 seconds or so on side 6:
• Track 2 Dog/Meat (incl. Building A Girl): CD 5:06 vs. LP 5:57 [+0:51]
• Track 3 Montana (Whipping Floss): CD 10:15 vs. LP 10:26 [+0:11]

A relative shift in track times between those two tracks does not explain the difference in the sum total.

michael

[Michael Brenna]

kl. 20:12:20 UTC+2 lørdag 18. mai 2013 skrev Biffy the Elephant Shrew følgende:
> [M(WF)]itself is NOT longer than on CD if we take the 0:26 as a typo for 9:26.

Aah, sorry, now I finally got it.
My "10:26" is from discogs.com - which is a faulty correction of 0:26.

Problem solved.
Thanks.

[Derek Milhouse Gilger]

The applause after "Inca Roads" fades out instead of the more abrupt and
obvious edit into the applause preceding "RDNZL" on the CD, literally
the only material found on the LP that's not on the CD.




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[derek from the internet]

On 5/18/2013 2:12 PM, Biffy the Elephant Shrew wrote:

A LITTLE BIT of applause after "Inca Roads" and a LITTLE BIT of applause
before "RDNZL" that faded in / out on the LP sides were joined on CD
(this is just audible enough as an edit that it actually still bothers
me slightly), is really all you can find on the vinyl version that's
"missing" from CD, if anyone was still REALLY WONDERING.

--derek.


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[Michael Brenna]

That settles it once and for all.
Thank you.

Michael