Frank's blasphemy: Atheist Ireland
Bil
the state of Ireland, has a quote from Frank Zappa as number 11 in its
list of 25 blasphemous quotes. The list was released to highlight new
blasphemy laws.
11. Frank Zappa, 1989: “If you want to get together in any exclusive
situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this
desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book,
who knows if you’ve been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to
hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain
working.”
See http://www.atheist.ie/ and http://blog.atheist.ie/?p=104
Cheers
Bil
Piper
> Atheist Ireland, a group campaigning for a secular constitution for
> the state of Ireland, has a quote from Frank Zappa as number 11 in its
> list of 25 blasphemous quotes. The list was released to highlight new
> blasphemy laws.
>
> situation and have people love you, fine � but to hang all this
> desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book,
> hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain
What's the blasphemy?
That humans have a chimpanzee part of the brain?
eelco janzen
No, that he describes God as the Cloud-Guy... that is so old-fashioned
!!! it should be Turbo-man or something ....
VVV
eelco
Bill
Piper <pi...@gatesofdawn.com> wrote:
> Bil wrote:
> > Atheist Ireland, a group campaigning for a secular constitution for
> > the state of Ireland, has a quote from Frank Zappa as number 11 in its
> > list of 25 blasphemous quotes. The list was released to highlight new
> > blasphemy laws.
> >
> > 11. Frank Zappa, 1989: �If you want to get together in any exclusive
> > situation and have people love you, fine � but to hang all this
> > desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book,
> > who knows if you�ve been bad or good � and cares about any of it � to
> > hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain
> > working.�
> >
> > See http://www.atheist.ie/ and http://blog.atheist.ie/?p=104
> >
> > Cheers
>
> What's the blasphemy?
>
> That humans have a chimpanzee part of the brain?
My objection to Frank's comment is that I don't see chimps praying.
We humans appear to be the only primates concerned with religion.
--
Bill
eelco janzen
and killing each other for it....
VVV
eelco
Joachim Ott
Other primates ("animals") are also killing other *and* each other. But
they don't have boredom to think about where they came from and where
they go.
Father Haskell
I'd say George Bush invaded the wrong country.
Piper
Maybe chimps pray secretly, in their hearts, and that's why you never
saw one praying.
Something to think about.
Strictly Commercial
> Seehttp://www.atheist.ie/andhttp://blog.atheist.ie/?p=104
>
> I'd say George Bush invaded the wrong country.
The USA hasn't invaded the right country since 1861.
Rolf
David Z
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So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the 1940s?
Martin Gregorie
AFAICT the USA only came into WW2 because the Japanese tweaked its tail.
Up to then the USA was trading with Germany with one hand while supplying
Lend-Lease to Russia and Britain with the other.
As for Iraq and Afghanistan, don't forget that:
- the US supplied a *lot* of military goodies to Saddam Hussein before
he officially became a Bad Man for invading Kuwait.
- the US was more than happy to fund bin Laden while his group were
fighting the Russians without, apparently, any concern for his
Wahhabi beliefs or what he might do later.
Rumsfeldt and Wolfowitz couldn't be arsed to plan for the aftermath of
Desert Storm II. Bush didn't mind as long as Haliburton made pots of
money and look at the result.
It all fits the pattern rather well: the official line seems to be one of
kicking the shit out of whoever is Baddy Of The Month without any regard
for the possible consequences.
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gregorie. | Essex, UK
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David Z
news:hhr60q$p5o$1...@localhost.localdomain...
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:33 -0500, David Z wrote:
>
>> "Strictly Commercial" <maure...@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:7Y70n.58441$Db2.46265@edtnps83...
>>> Father Haskell wrote:
>>>> Seehttp://www.atheist.ie/andhttp://blog.atheist.ie/?p=104
>>>>
>>>> I'd say George Bush invaded the wrong country.
>>>
>>> The USA hasn't invaded the right country since 1861.
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>
>> So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the
>> 1940s?
>
[irrelevant misinterpretations of history deleted]
It's a yes or no question.
The old geezer
wrote:
>
> > So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the
> > 1940s?
>
> AFAICT the USA only came into WW2 because the Japanese tweaked its tail.
> Up to then the USA was trading with Germany with one hand while supplying
> Lend-Lease to Russia and Britain with the other.
Yeah? Well, just WHO wuz in charge of the USA then? FDR & the
"Progressives" who you so admire. Playing both sides of the coin. If
old Adolph has sucessfully invaded the British isles after Dunkirk I'm
sure FDR probably woulda held a "dialog meeting" with the
Germans....just like someone else we know now.
One thing I've never been able to figure out (outside that old Adolph
wuz starting to unravel at the time) was, after being turned back by
England & things not going so well on the Russian front in late '41,
why did Germany
also declare war on the USA when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor? Axis
Treaty or no Axis Treaty, Hitler shoulda told the Japs, "Hey, the US
is YOUR Problem, you started it, you finish it". I mean, it was not
like Hitler to honor treaties now, was it?
TOG
ND: Ezra Brooks Kentucky Sour Mash Bourbon
NP:This Moment Is A Memory - Steve Roach
Martin Gregorie
I spy McCarthyism: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Its a
perfectly simple question so answer yes or no."
I suggest you check some facts, sonny, before denying history. Still,
you've never bothered in the past, so why spoil a closed mind by doing so
now.
Strictly Commercial
> I spy McCarthyism: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Its a
> perfectly simple question so answer yes or no."
>
> I suggest you check some facts, sonny, before denying history. Still,
> you've never bothered in the past, so why spoil a closed mind by doing so
> now.
Hit 'im again, Martin. It's rather obvious that David Z would have had
no trouble supporting the German National Socialist Workers' Party if
they weren't quite so feverish on The Jewish Question. After all --- and
this is often glossed over --- the Nazis enjoyed considerable popular
support until their Spring '45 de-election. And beyond, if truth be
told. And beyond Germany's borders, for a long, long time, if more truth
be told. Lotta people looking for an excuse to get in touch with their
inner brownshirt.
Rolf (so-called because he was born in Dusseldorf)
David Z
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:26:08 -0500, David Z wrote:
>
>> "Martin Gregorie" <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hhr60q$p5o$1...@localhost.localdomain...
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:33 -0500, David Z wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Strictly Commercial" <maure...@telus.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7Y70n.58441$Db2.46265@edtnps83...
>>>>> Father Haskell wrote:
>>>>>> Seehttp://www.atheist.ie/andhttp://blog.atheist.ie/?p=104
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say George Bush invaded the wrong country.
>>>>>
>>>>> The USA hasn't invaded the right country since 1861.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rolf
>>>>
>>>> So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the
>>>> 1940s?
>>>
>>>
>> [irrelevant misinterpretations of history deleted]
>>
>> It's a yes or no question.
[incoherent drivel deleted]
The original poster made the statement "The USA hasn't invaded the right
country since 1861." (see above) I was simply challenging that statement.
Your inability to follow the discussion is duly noted.
If you don't have anything to add to that particular discussion, please butt
out. Since you are unable to take a hint, the last thing I want to do is to
get into a discussion of history with a nincompoop like you.
David Z
Fucking ingrate.
David Z
news:7qcgov...@mid.individual.net...
The coward Rolf can't even answer this question because he knows he wrong.
David Z
Apparently, the coward Rolf would rather other people do his bidding for
him. Can't you defend your own statements, you coward?
David Z
Is that where you learned to hide behind your mommy's skirt?
Martin Gregorie
Yes, I'm well aware of Nazi parties and considerable anti-Semitism in
both the UK and USA. Both had political parties (Moseley's Black Shirts
in the UK, the American Nazi Party in America) and both has significant
anti-Semitic movements through to the end of the 50s.
Martin Gregorie
> On Jan 3, 5:34�pm, Martin Gregorie <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid>
> wrote:
>>
>> > So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the
>> > 1940s?
>>
>> AFAICT the USA only came into WW2 because the Japanese tweaked its
>> tail. Up to then the USA was trading with Germany with one hand while
>> supplying Lend-Lease to Russia and Britain with the other.
>
BTW, I found a reference to trade between the US and Germany up to and
including 1940 despite the US passing laws against trading with *any*
foreign combatants in 1935-37. They can't have been heavily enforced
because Sterling Pharmaceutical and IG Farben were caught running an
aspirin cartel in 1940. I'd be surprised if there wasn't more despite
those laws, since the USA was neutral at the time.
>
> Yeah? Well, just WHO wuz in charge of the USA then? FDR & the
> "Progressives" who you so admire. Playing both sides of the coin. If
> old Adolph has sucessfully invaded the British isles after Dunkirk I'm
> sure FDR probably woulda held a "dialog meeting" with the
> Germans....just like someone else we know now.
>
I wouldn't be surprised. I think these days we don't understand to
strength of the US Isolationist movement in the 30s and I'm quite certain
I for one don't understand the depth of pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic
sentiment in both the UK and the USA during the '30s and into the '40s.
> One thing I've never been able to figure out (outside that old Adolph
> wuz starting to unravel at the time) was, after being turned back by
> England & things not going so well on the Russian front in late '41, why
> did Germany also declare war on the USA when the Japs bombed Pearl
> Harbor? Axis Treaty or no Axis Treaty, Hitler shoulda told the Japs,
> "Hey, the US is YOUR Problem, you started it, you finish it". I mean,
> it was not like Hitler to honor treaties now, was it?
>
No, but he would apparently sign anything if he thought there was even a
transient advantage in doing so. Who knows, he may have even been misread
the situation badly enough to think that the large German-American
population would help him - after all he was pretty big on wishful
thinking and an expert at ignoring reality.
Les Cargill
This thread needs moar Vonnegut.
--
Les Cargill
Martin Gregorie
>
> This thread needs moar Vonnegut.
Yer want any Ice V, Bob?
Father Haskell
More Montana Wildhack.
Father Haskell
wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:32:33 -0800, The old geezer wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 5:34 pm, Martin Gregorie <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> >> > So, we shouldn't have invaded France and the rest of Europe in the
> >> > 1940s?
>
> >> AFAICT the USA only came into WW2 because the Japanese tweaked its
> >> tail. Up to then the USA was trading with Germany with one hand while
> >> supplying Lend-Lease to Russia and Britain with the other.
>
> BTW, I found a reference to trade between the US and Germany up to and
> including 1940 despite the US passing laws against trading with *any*
> foreign combatants in 1935-37. They can't have been heavily enforced
> because Sterling Pharmaceutical and IG Farben were caught running an
> aspirin cartel in 1940. I'd be surprised if there wasn't more despite
> those laws, since the USA was neutral at the time.
*Up to* 1940? Bush's granddaddy Prescott sold oil
to the Nazis well into the war.
Martin Gregorie
It looks as though the Stirling/IG Farben cartel was busted in 1940 but
the account of it gave no indication of whether that was under the
1935/37 (no trade with combatants) law or existing anti-monopoly laws.
By "well into the war" do you mean after Perl Harbour and Germany's
consequent declaration of war on the US?
Father Haskell
Yes.
Les Cargill
Definitely (gets hat).
--
Les Cargill
Strictly Commercial
> By "well into the war" do you mean after Perl Harbour and Germany's
> consequent declaration of war on the US?
"Perl" Harbor would certainly explain why they declared war. Another
link in the global Semitic conspiracy!
R
Martin Gregorie
How did he avoid charges of aiding the enemy or treason?
Martin Gregorie
I don't see that. Please elaborate. If Hitler was looking for an excuse,
the pact with Japan would do regardless of whether he intended to honour
it or not. In point of fact, that pact was honoured: the Japanese
received enough paperwork and examples for them to build German aircraft
types, e.g. the Me 262. The one surviving Japanese Me.262 derivative is
in the NASA Aerospace Museum inventory. I didn't know it existed until I
saw it at the Paul Garber (Silver Hill) facility in 1999.
eelco janzen
Perl is a Jewish family name
you made the typo of Pearl
pretty funny actually
VVV
eelco
Father Haskell
He didn't.
(Cue up the Fugs, "Wide River." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04bCoHXDj6c)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Martin Gregorie
> Perl is a Jewish family name
> you made the typo of Pearl
> pretty funny actually
>
Damn! Too much exposure to the Perl scripting language made me forget how
'Pearl Harbour' is spelt.
BTW, I've seen many references to people named Perlman but never
knowingly to anybody named Perl but ymmv
eelco janzen
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:29 +0100, eelco janzen wrote:
>
>> Perl is a Jewish family name
>> you made the typo of Pearl
>> pretty funny actually
>>
> Damn! Too much exposure to the Perl scripting language made me forget how
> 'Pearl Harbour' is spelt.
>
> BTW, I've seen many references to people named Perlman but never
> knowingly to anybody named Perl but ymmv
>
>
http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.htm
We are really getting miles and miles away from the actual topic of this
post and from FZ...
VVV
eelco
Martin Gregorie
Thanks, both for the very appropriate music and the Grauniad piece.
Martin Gregorie
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:29 +0100, eelco janzen wrote:
>>
>>> Perl is a Jewish family name
>>> you made the typo of Pearl
>>> pretty funny actually
>>>
>> Damn! Too much exposure to the Perl scripting language made me forget
>> how 'Pearl Harbour' is spelt.
>>
>> BTW, I've seen many references to people named Perlman but never
>> knowingly to anybody named Perl but ymmv
>>
>>
> For further study you could check out:
>
> http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.htm
>
Soundexes can be useful, but don't really work here. Not for me, anyway.
> We are really getting miles and miles away from the actual topic of this
> post and from FZ...
>
Thats always been normal on a.f.f-z - we've never had On-topic Brain
Police here and I for one wouldn't have it any other way.
Strictly Commercial
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:29 +0100, eelco janzen wrote:
>
>> Perl is a Jewish family name
>> you made the typo of Pearl
>> pretty funny actually
>>
> Damn! Too much exposure to the Perl scripting language made me forget how
> 'Pearl Harbour' is spelt.
>
> BTW, I've seen many references to people named Perlman but never
> knowingly to anybody named Perl but ymmv
Perl is merely the German/Yiddish spelling for Pearl --- Matthew Pearl's
family almost certainly anglicized (or had it done for them) their Old
Country name, Perl, or possibly Perlmutter ("Mother of Pearl").
It hadn't occured to me that the Jews are also behind the relentless
digitization of everything, through their control of PERL programming
language.
Rolf
Les Cargill
But the Perl programming language has never been under
anybody's control - Larry Wall says that pretty
much hissownself :)
--
Les Cargill