Charles Ulrich Zappa Recorded Works Book?
van
I was just mentioning you to an old friend of BH#1's who's going to
turn me on to some tapes he (he's a bass player) and BH#1 made in the
80s.
I just read John Einarson's bio on Arthur Lee and Love- "Forever
Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"- and it was very good.
There's a little bit on FZ in the section on the Sunset Strip in the
60s, but it mostly deals with Lee's demons, and how they screwed up
his and Love's fortunes from the beginning to the end.
Charles Ulrich
<5f9fa574-bd0c-415a...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
van <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Charles, if you're there, did your book come out yet?
Not yet. I'm still working on it.
> I just read John Einarson's bio on Arthur Lee and Love- "Forever
> Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"- and it was very good.
> There's a little bit on FZ in the section on the Sunset Strip in the
> 60s, but it mostly deals with Lee's demons, and how they screwed up
> his and Love's fortunes from the beginning to the end.
Thanks for the tip.
--Charles
Charles Ulrich
> I just read John Einarson's bio on Arthur Lee and Love- "Forever
> Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"
I was wondering, wondering whom ba doo doo who (bomp) who wrote that.
Our public library has it on order, and I just called first dibs.
--Charles
Charles Ulrich
> I just read John Einarson's bio on Arthur Lee and Love- "Forever
> Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"- and it was very good.
Since it was recently published, I guess it's still a little-read book.
One two, buckle my shoe...
--Charles
van
> In article
> <5f9fa574-bd0c-415a-baa3-bc9244ddf...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
Yeah,yeah,yeah... unfortunately, no musical analysis whatsoever.
But if you want to find out the truth(s) behind all of the AL and Love
myths that have developed through the years, Einarson does a good job
of digging deep enough, with interviews and Lee's actual memoirs (half
of which are proven to be BS) as his sources.
Lee had more disgruntled ex-sidemen than Steely Dan, so they may be
full of it, also.
Charles Ulrich
> I just read John Einarson's bio on Arthur Lee and Love- "Forever
> Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"- and it was very good.
> There's a little bit on FZ in the section on the Sunset Strip
A very little bit. He's mentioned in passing in relation to Herb Cohen,
who briefly managed Arthur Lee (and was instrumental in getting Love
signed to Elektra).
In fact, I suspect that Einarson doesn't care for FZ much. He makes a
big deal of the fact that the strings and horns on Forever Changes were
an integral part of the arrangements, and not an afterthought done
without the involvement of the original songwriter. Not sure how someone
who writes about the Los Angeles music scene in the 1960s could ignore
Freak Out! and Pet Sounds, both of which came out the year before
Forever Changes.
Still, the book is full of passing mentions of many people and places
cited on the Freak Out! contributors list and map.
The index is pretty useless in general, but let me just add:
Zappa, Frank 85, 110
--Charles
van
You're probably right. Einarson seems to be more taken with the folk-
rock side of the 60s, as opposed to the 20th Century classical/
experimental jazz side of things FZ represented.
Most of his writing seems to be centered on the Byrds and people
influenced by the Byrds (Bryan MacLean was a roadie for the Byrds for
about a year or two). He's currently working on a book about Ian and
Sylvia.
He could have mentioned that FZ used to sit in with Love when they
were kings of The Strip in the mid 60s.
As far as Forever Changes goes, I think that the book (and the
music) makes it clear that David Angel's string and brass writing was
the thing that made that LP so special.
Angel was a classically trained, highly skilled film composer who
spent hours with Lee every day for a few weeks going over Lee's
fragments and developing them into some interesting little pieces.
Lee seemed to be very adept at getting very talented people to work
for him, and then claim all the credit for himself.
Bryan MacLean was writing songs that were way ahead of their time
(they sound like the Broadway tunes of today) back then, and I'm sure
that Lee got some stuff from him, too.
MacLean should have had a decent career as a singer/songwriter, but
seems to have really fucked things up for himself.
Charles Ulrich
<f5d8ad2c-d252-4f30...@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
van <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Einarson seems to be more taken with the folk-
> rock side of the 60s, as opposed to the 20th Century classical/
> experimental jazz side of things FZ represented.
> Most of his writing seems to be centered on the Byrds and people
> influenced by the Byrds (Bryan MacLean was a roadie for the Byrds for
> about a year or two). He's currently working on a book about Ian and
> Sylvia.
He wrote one about Buffalo Springfield too, of course.
> He could have mentioned that FZ used to sit in with Love when they
> were kings of The Strip in the mid 60s.
I'm not sure I've heard about that. What is your source?
--Charles
Román García
>
> van <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He could have mentioned that FZ used to sit in with Love when they
> > were kings of The Strip in the mid 60s.
>
> I'm not sure I've heard about that. What is your source?
On _No Commercial Potential_, p. 57, Pamela Zarubica is quoted saying
she met FZ one night at The Trip when he was the guest guitarist for
the Grass Roots, which was the former name of Love. Assuming she was
not talking about the other Grass Roots, which I think came a little
bit later, forcing the other group to change its name.
van
Yea, I think that's where I got it from.
There was a big thing about Lee claiming that the guy who produced the
second Grassroots gave them that name because Lee's band The
Grassroots were extremely popular on The Strip back then, and he
wanted to fuck Lee for some reason.
Lee thought everyone was trying to fuck him!
Robert Plant worshipped Lee (he's done a bunch of his tunes) and he
and Jimmy Poige (Page) wanted to meet him.
When they arrived, Lee told them to go fuck themselves!
Eric Clapton got Lee a huge tour with him, and Lee thanked him by
putting down the tour's producer, Robert Stigwood, onstage, with
Stigwood in attendance!
Charles Ulrich
Charles Ulrich
<0c356080-ce6e-4951...@p26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
van <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 23, 8:06�am, Rom�n Garc�a <donl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 23, 3:36�am, Charles Ulrich <ulr...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <f5d8ad2c-d252-4f30-9831-3c83b447e...@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > �van <sg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > He could have mentioned that FZ used to sit in with Love when they
> > > > were kings of The Strip in the mid 60s.
> >
> > > I'm not sure I've heard about that. What is your source?
> >
> > On _No Commercial Potential_, p. 57, Pamela Zarubica is quoted saying
> > she met FZ one night at The Trip when he was the guest guitarist for
> > the Grass Roots, which was the former name of Love. Assuming she was
> > not talking about the other Grass Roots, which I think came a little
> > bit later, forcing the other group to change its name.
>
> Yea, I think that's where I got it from.
> There was a big thing about Lee claiming that the guy who produced the
> second Grassroots
Lou Adler, as I recall.
> gave them that name because Lee's band The
> Grassroots were extremely popular on The Strip back then, and he
> wanted to fuck Lee for some reason.
It's in the book, but I've already forgotten.
--Charles
Luigi Vercotti
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 05:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Rom�n Garc�a
<don...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On _No Commercial Potential_,
SHEIT, I just found in my 'vault' a HARD COVER
copy of that book, to sit next to the P/Back
of it. Great book. I also love Neg D of Poodle Play..
..which I have in Hardcover..
JJTj
Back up for sale:
http://www.usaelectron.com/GM/
It doesn't get much FZ rare then this..
God Bless us, because we is funky...
Making our own rules, no matter the price..
and you best believe...we NEVER think twice...
Charles Ulrich
> Changes- Arthur Lee and the Book of Love"- and it was very good.
> There's a little bit on FZ in the section on the Sunset Strip in the
> 60s, but it mostly deals with Lee's demons, and how they screwed up
> his and Love's fortunes from the beginning to the end.
actually) on Love, aptly titled My Little Red Book.
<http://mylittleredbook.weebly.com/>
--Charles