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JYOB
The old geezer
"Our Children Will Hate Us Too" - John Lennon
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Greg Henry
JYOB wrote:
> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
>
> The old geezer
>
> "Our Children Will Hate Us Too" - John Lennon
Hardly. Our generation has indeed learned from our parents and there are
MANY things we do differently. For one thing, we look a lot younger at
50 than our parents did. Our principles are much different as well.
Charles Ulrich
<magnus...@telia.com> wrote:
> Well, I´m over forty but I don´t drive a Lincoln.
I'm over forty and I don't drive a car.
--Charles
Michael Gula
>
> Well, I´m over forty but I don´t drive a Lincoln.
And I don't wear a bow tie.
--
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Bappy Lorenzo
JYOB wrote:
> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
>
> The old geezer
>
> "Our Children Will Hate Us Too" - John Lennon
I've got the Lincoln! I'm half way there!-Bappy
Bappy Lorenzo
Bappy Lorenzo wrote:
oh, wait. I don't do no drinkin'. damn.
John Scialli
wrote:
>
>
>JYOB wrote:
>
>> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
>>
>> The old geezer
>>
>> "Our Children Will Hate Us Too" - John Lennon
>
>Hardly. Our generation has indeed learned from our parents and there are
>MANY things we do differently. For one thing, we look a lot younger at
>50 than our parents did. Our principles are much different as well.
>
>-greghenry.com
And some of us are principals (here I'm thinking
of ZOOGZ RIFT [tm] and his SCHOOL
FOR THE CRIMINALLY INSANE where
no one wants to be asst principal [aka knee-breaker]).
Geir Corneliussen
>
> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
I am just an uncle for my sister and brothers kids. I don't know what
happens when I get forty. Just five more years to go. How old am I
anyway? I think I would have been a despotic dad if I got kids while
younger, (I have used my nephews for test-dummys), so it's probably just
good I wait with some serious reproduction. It's weird to be unmarried
when most of the old gang is tied up in chains. Some complain. Most,
actually. On the other hand, some of those dudes from the dark past,
would have gone to the dogs without the iron-women they ended up with...
It's weird I am as stabile as I am. I don't even want to run out
anymore, like I used to. Weird how calm one get after a while. 5 more
years, and I'll drive around in a......Mercedes.
Geir Corneliussen
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Ralph Wayvone
difference between the social consciousness of the 50's generation and the
60's generation, except for the hedonism of the postwar boom babies. The
average proponent of the "counter-culture" was as rightwing as their
parents. There were exceptions, of course. There were radicals then, but
they were far less numerous than their media image suggests, then or now.
If they had been more numerous, perhaps some meaningful changes to society
would have been effected.
R
In article <38B85313...@greghenry.com>, Greg Henry
<gr...@greghenry.com> wrote:
>
> Hardly. Our generation has indeed learned from our parents and there are
> MANY things we do differently. For one thing, we look a lot younger at
> 50 than our parents did. Our principles are much different as well.
>
> -greghenry.com
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Sarah A Werning
Perspective on the older generation from the younger generation...
I'd like to think we keep progressing as a society. But some members of
my parents' generation (they are 44 and 42) can't see they are repeating
their parents' mistakes in different situations. They fought so hard for
the equality of women and blacks in our country, and yet largely cannot
grant the homosexuals in this country the same considerations... yes, I
know this doesn't apply to everyone, but it does to a large portion.
<sigh>
It's disheartening for us. Are we going to accept gays, blacks, and women,
but turn out to hate some other group?
SArah
John Brower
It's easier to hate what you don't understand -- it uses less brain cells.
Facing the unknown requires a certain amount of fortitude and perhaps
humility. On an instinctive level, our biggest fear must be that we won't
ever understand something and therefore can't categorize it. That interferes
with standard brain functions to categorize everything.
On his better days, or when he wasn't trying to project an image, FZ seems to
have recognized this.
John B.
~----------------------------------------------------------------------~
"You'll never make it. Give up now. Quit squirming. You idiot.
Who cares? Surrender. It won't work. Aha! Told you so."
-- Matt Groening, LIFE IN HELL (1982)
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Before you buy.
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
plato@sk.-nospamsympatico.ca (Ralph Wayvone) wrote:
> This claim is one I'm very skeptical about. I think there's very little
> difference between the social consciousness of the 50's generation and the
> 60's generation, except for the hedonism of the postwar boom babies. The
> average proponent of the "counter-culture" was as rightwing as their
> parents. There were exceptions, of course. There were radicals then, but
> they were far less numerous than their media image suggests, then or now.
> If they had been more numerous, perhaps some meaningful changes to society
> would have been effected.
It didn't seem that way to me at the time, but then I was just a kid in
the 60s. It's interesting though that now, when you see someone with long
hair and a beard, they're likely to be a gun-totin' conservative
fuck-thy-neighbor type. Maybe it was all just personal wallpaper even
back then.
-Sam (42 and counting, whose hair is getting good in the back)
--
"The music becomes more and more abstract sounding
like a syncopated barnyard button factory."
- David Lynch, "Ronnie Rocket"
Ian
JYOB <jy...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
>
Im 44 don`t drink much, my HiFi system is worth more than my car (an old
beat up VW Golf), however I do have a city hall mind and lust after young
girls (legal ones)
--
I...@chunga.force9.co.uk
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John Henley
ro...@teleport.com (Sam and/or Karen Rouse) wrote:
> It's interesting though that now, when you see someone with long
> hair and a beard, they're likely to be a gun-totin' conservative
> fuck-thy-neighbor type. Maybe it was all just personal wallpaper even
> back then.
Yes. Take music. In 1968 it was rock'n'roll on
the one hand, and "Okie From Muskogee" on the other.
Now, so-called "country" bands (there are hardly any
in the old sense, at least not on the larger labels)
look an awful lot like the hippie rock'n'roll bands
did just a little while ago. And the music is decidely
pop-ish.
The appropriate quote here, of course, is
"Everone in this room is wearing a uniform,
and don't kid yourself."
John Henley
Austin TX
Louis Cage
Do we really learn anything?
Is the presidential race gonna be Gore vs Geeorrrg dubya or John Wayne...I
mean McCain?
Don't forget to register to vote, just good luck finding someone to vote
for.
JYOB <jy...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ...are we the "Bow Tie Daddy" of the 2000's?
>
DeAngelo Family
themselves unlike us. But my kids listen to music I grew up with, as well
as their own, as well as the music (classical, jazz) of my parents. And they
give blood, and have registered to vote, so I guess they love me too. Just
tell 'em you love them and don't worry about becoming someone's impression
of obsolete. LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR THAT CRAP.
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> Well, uh, yeah, I guess...
> Do we really learn anything?
> Is the presidential race gonna be Gore vs Geeorrrg dubya or John Wayne...I
> mean McCain?
>
> Don't forget to register to vote, just good luck finding someone to vote
> for.
>
...normally every four years I vote for Ralph Nader - I know he won't
win, but at least I can say I didn't have to pick the lesser of two
evils. This time, however, I was considerably jolted when I realized
that whoever wins this election will most likely be appointing up to
four new Supreme Court Justices. Considering that many of the current
bunch were seated while the Reagan-Bush Circus was in town, and watching
the way they've been whittling away at our rights while giving the
police more power...well, hell - I sure wouldn't want to chance George
Dubya or John "Mr. Congeniality" McCain having anything to do with
picking those dudes.
Lewis Saul
>I ... realized that whoever wins this election will most likely be
appointing up to four new Supreme Court Justices.
Right. McCain may seem like a liberal when he stands next to Bush, and could
easily be mistaken for a fuckin' communist, he's so far to the left of
Dubya... :)
Gore is a bore -- but this one's a fuckin' no-brainer people! Do Frank a
favor in November and get your butt out there and vote, dammit!!!
ls
btw, did you hear the new one from the NRA? If only we'd have had the sense
to arm *ALL* the six-year-old kids in this country with automatic weapons
when they went to school, this tragedy could have been averted. As soon as
the kid pulled the gun out of his pants, the entire class/militia would have
blown him away.
Of course, being six means your motor skills aren't quite as sharp as your
parents yet. So perhaps the teacher and a few other students might have been
killed in the crossfire...
But your point about the Supremes is well taken. The Court as it sits now
would have to be considered ultra-liberal compared to what it would look
like four or eight years from now with a Republican president appointing the
new judges...
ls
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> Fast Frank :o{- wrote in message <38BF6CE6...@joes.garage>...
>
> >I ... realized that whoever wins this election will most likely be
> appointing up to four new Supreme Court Justices.
>
> Right. McCain may seem like a liberal when he stands next to Bush, and could
> easily be mistaken for a fuckin' communist, he's so far to the left of
> Dubya... :)
>
...of course, anyone standing next to Bush would seem like Albert
Einstein as well. ;o)
> Gore is a bore -- but this one's a fuckin' no-brainer people! Do Frank a
> favor in November and get your butt out there and vote, dammit!!!
>
...a bore, and many other things as well. I don't trust the dude (okay,
I don't trust any of 'em), but like I said, this is one time when I'm
gonna have to go with the "mainstream" Democrat - if for no other reason
than simply preventing future unpleasant ramifications.
> ls
>
> btw, did you hear the new one from the NRA? If only we'd have had the sense
> to arm *ALL* the six-year-old kids in this country with automatic weapons
> when they went to school, this tragedy could have been averted. As soon as
> the kid pulled the gun out of his pants, the entire class/militia would have
> blown him away.
>
> Of course, being six means your motor skills aren't quite as sharp as your
> parents yet. So perhaps the teacher and a few other students might have been
> killed in the crossfire...
>
...yeah, and if he didn't have access to that gun, I'm sure he would
have had to attack his classmates with a stick or something.
> But your point about the Supremes is well taken. The Court as it sits now
> would have to be considered ultra-liberal compared to what it would look
> like four or eight years from now with a Republican president appointing the
> new judges...
>
> ls
<shudder>
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/2/00 11:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <38BF6CE6...@joes.garage>
>
>Louis Cage wrote:
>>
>> Well, uh, yeah, I guess...
>> Do we really learn anything?
>> Is the presidential race gonna be Gore vs Geeorrrg dubya or John Wayne...I
>> mean McCain?
>>
>> Don't forget to register to vote, just good luck finding someone to vote
>> for.
>>
>
>...normally every four years I vote for Ralph Nader - I know he won't
>win, but at least I can say I didn't have to pick the lesser of two
>that whoever wins this election will most likely be appointing up to
>bunch were seated while the Reagan-Bush Circus was in town, and watching
>the way they've been whittling away at our rights while giving the
>police more power...well, hell - I sure wouldn't want to chance George
>Dubya or John "Mr. Congeniality" McCain having anything to do with
>picking those dudes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Anybody who freely gives a vote (which means "vote of confidence") to any one
of these phony, manipulative politician ASSHOLES is one themself and DESERVES
TO GET SCREWED.
I say forget to register to vote.
zoogzrift.com
alt.fan.zoogz-rift
for a FREE ZR cd catalog, send SASE to:
ZOOGZ RIFT (The Liquid Moamo)
c/o SCI
PMB 184
6520 Platt Avenue
West Hills, CA 91307-3218
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> Children are children; that's why they hate us......as teenagers they see
> themselves unlike us. But my kids listen to music I grew up with, as well
> as their own, as well as the music (classical, jazz) of my parents. And they
> give blood, and have registered to vote, so I guess they love me too. Just
> tell 'em you love them and don't worry about becoming someone's impression
> of obsolete. LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR THAT CRAP.
>
...things are a whole lot different than they were when Bowtie Daddy was
around. My parents - the son and daughter of immigrants who lived
through the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, and DubyadubyaTwo - figured
I was some kind of non-Earth-originating life-form. In contrast, my
daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
now...more often than not, I'm the oldest person attending. :o)
JYOB
>daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
When I tried to get my children ( now aged 23 & 21) to listen to my fave music
(Zappa, Brian Wilson, Steely Dan) I felt like I was my father trying to get me
to like Guy Lombardo & Lawrence Welk!
The Old Geezer
0vercooked
Liquid Moamo) wrote:
>[...] DESERVES
>TO GET SCREWED.
[...]
That's what my wife said about me the other day.
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/3/00 3:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20000303180428...@ng-df1.aol.com>
My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
Sarah A Werning
> ...things are a whole lot different than they were when Bowtie Daddy was
> around. My parents - the son and daughter of immigrants who lived
> through the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, and DubyadubyaTwo - figured
> I was some kind of non-Earth-originating life-form. In contrast, my
> daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
> now...more often than not, I'm the oldest person attending. :o)
Weird... I'm usually the youngest person attending the concerts I go to.
Sarah
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> >From: Fast Frank :o{- jam...@joes.garage
> >Date: 3/2/00 11:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <38BF6CE6...@joes.garage>
> >
> >Louis Cage wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, uh, yeah, I guess...
> >> Do we really learn anything?
> >> Is the presidential race gonna be Gore vs Geeorrrg dubya or John Wayne...I
> >> mean McCain?
> >>
> >> Don't forget to register to vote, just good luck finding someone to vote
> >> for.
> >>
> >
> >...normally every four years I vote for Ralph Nader - I know he won't
> >win, but at least I can say I didn't have to pick the lesser of two
> >evils. This time, however, I was considerably jolted when I realized
> >that whoever wins this election will most likely be appointing up to
> >four new Supreme Court Justices. Considering that many of the current
> >bunch were seated while the Reagan-Bush Circus was in town, and watching
> >the way they've been whittling away at our rights while giving the
> >police more power...well, hell - I sure wouldn't want to chance George
> >Dubya or John "Mr. Congeniality" McCain having anything to do with
> >picking those dudes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Anybody who freely gives a vote (which means "vote of confidence") to any one
> of these phony, manipulative politician ASSHOLES is one themself and DESERVES
> TO GET SCREWED.
>
...so tell me, Mr. Rift - do you find you have to rent your friends by
the week, or more on a monthly basis?
> I say forget to register to vote.
>
...as one who was active in the movement to lower the voting age to 18,
I say if you don't vote - don't bitch.
> zoogzrift.com
> alt.fan.zoogz-rift
>
...spam immediately following -
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> > my
> >daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
>
> (Zappa, Brian Wilson, Steely Dan) I felt like I was my father trying to get me
> to like Guy Lombardo & Lawrence Welk!
>
> The Old Geezer
...isn't that understandable, though? What's ironic was that when the
flannel-and-hair bands started coming out of Seattle in the early 90's,
all my daughter's friends thought I was really alternative because I was
already wearing long hair and flannel. :o)
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> On 3 Mar 2000 Fast Frank wrote:
>
> > ...things are a whole lot different than they were when Bowtie Daddy was
> > around. My parents - the son and daughter of immigrants who lived
> > through the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, and DubyadubyaTwo - figured
> > daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
>
> Weird... I'm usually the youngest person attending the concerts I go to.
>
> Sarah
...might I ask whose concerts you go to? :o)
Jack P. Armstrong
>>
>> Sarah
>
>...might I ask whose concerts you go to? :o)
The second time I saw Jethro Tull, I was probably the second-youngest person
there. The first time I saw them, though, there were lots of little kids, like
between the ages of 5 and 12 in the audience (with parents, of course.)
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"I am a real Minimalist, because I don't do very much. I know some minimalists
who call themselves minimalist but they do loads of minimalism. That is
cheating. I really don't do very much." - Robert Wyatt
David Blumenstein
Sarah A Werning wrote:
> On 3 Mar 2000 Fast Frank wrote:
>
> > ...things are a whole lot different than they were when Bowtie Daddy was
> > around. My parents - the son and daughter of immigrants who lived
> > through the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, and DubyadubyaTwo - figured
> > I was some kind of non-Earth-originating life-form. In contrast, my
> > daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
> > now...more often than not, I'm the oldest person attending. :o)
>
> Weird... I'm usually the youngest person attending the concerts I go to.
I thought I'd be the youngest at Bob Dylan last year, but there were a bunch
of girls, maybe 14 or so, standing on the edge of our level (stadium seating)
gyrating like he was the sexiest thing they'd ever seen... Weird?
--
David
JYOB
"THEY" gave you the "right" to vote but took away your right to drink! Some
trade!
The old geezer
Jack P. Armstrong
That;s not spam - it's just his sig file. Besides, Zoogz deserves to be able
to advertise his wares in his sig file, due to his forthcoming disability.
more power to him. In fact, i'll plug him five or six times after this
sentence.
>> for a FREE ZR cd catalog, send SASE to:
>>
>> ZOOGZ RIFT (The Liquid Moamo)
>> c/o SCI
>> PMB 184
>> 6520 Platt Avenue
>> West Hills, CA 91307-3218
>
>
>> for a FREE ZR cd catalog, send SASE to:
>>
>> ZOOGZ RIFT (The Liquid Moamo)
>> c/o SCI
>> PMB 184
>> 6520 Platt Avenue
>> West Hills, CA 91307-3218
>
>
>> for a FREE ZR cd catalog, send SASE to:
>>
>> ZOOGZ RIFT (The Liquid Moamo)
>> c/o SCI
>> PMB 184
>> 6520 Platt Avenue
>> West Hills, CA 91307-3218
>
- - - - - - -
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> >...spam immediately following -
>
> That;s not spam - it's just his sig file. Besides, Zoogz deserves to be able
> to advertise his wares in his sig file, due to his forthcoming disability.
> more power to him. In fact, i'll plug him five or six times after this
> sentence.
>
...any persistent, unsolicited, off-topic, commercially-oriented message
that is repeatedly posted in a newsgroup is - if not definitively spam -
most certainly a member of the spam family. I suppose you could consider
it a sig file, if that is indeed the file he tells his browser to use as
such. But having spent countless hours in myriad Usenet newsgroups, I
can tell you this is the only sig file I have ever seen that contains an
advertisement.
FF :o{-
"What the hell are you staring at?!?" - Duckman
P.S. Now *that* is a sig file. :o)
Sarah A Werning
> "THEY" gave you the "right" to vote but took away your right to drink! Some
> trade!
That's just the Man, puttin' you down, dude...
Sarah A Werning
> >
> > Weird... I'm usually the youngest person attending the concerts I go to.
>
> I thought I'd be the youngest at Bob Dylan last year, but there were a bunch
> of girls, maybe 14 or so, standing on the edge of our level (stadium seating)
> gyrating like he was the sexiest thing they'd ever seen... Weird?
When I saw Dylan last year on the Simon-Dylan tour, the group I was with
was the youngest in the seated section (at the New World Music Theatre,
there are pavilion seats and lawn seats), and we were all 20 and 21ish.
Two different ushers cam eup to our seats after we were seated to make
sure we had legitimate tickets to be there. But it was the older people
that were gyrating to even the slow songs (blocking our view, damn rascal
kids!) at our concert. But everyone was up and dancing for Paul Simon's
stuff. I saw some younger people on the lawn, but with their parents or
older siblings.
Sarah
INEMM
wrote:
>But everyone was up and dancing for Paul Simon's stuff
I can't stand Paul Simon.
"You can call me Al" makes me want to grab an AK-47 or an UZI
and go ROGUING!
Lewis Saul
You would use an Uzi???? Made by Jews? Hard to believe...
ls
Jack P. Armstrong
>>
>> That;s not spam - it's just his sig file. Besides, Zoogz deserves to be
>able
>> to advertise his wares in his sig file, due to his forthcoming disability.
>> more power to him. In fact, i'll plug him five or six times after this
>> sentence.
>>
>
>...any persistent, unsolicited, off-topic, commercially-oriented message
>that is repeatedly posted in a newsgroup is - if not definitively spam -
>most certainly a member of the spam family.
Hey, it's almost never off-topic, it's just a sig file! And it's not
commercial, as it's just a catalog and says FREE! Right there. What about all
the sigs people have with the adress to their webpages? Is that not spam? How
come you don't get on ninja about HIS sig?
> But having spent countless hours in myriad Usenet newsgroups, I
>can tell you this is the only sig file I have ever seen that contains an
>advertisement.
Once again, I say ninja. And to a lesser extent, EVERYBODY WHO HAS A LINK TO
THEIR WEBPAGE!
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> >> >...spam immediately following -
> >>
> >> That;s not spam - it's just his sig file. Besides, Zoogz deserves to be
> >able
> >> to advertise his wares in his sig file, due to his forthcoming disability.
> >> more power to him. In fact, i'll plug him five or six times after this
> >> sentence.
> >>
> >
> >...any persistent, unsolicited, off-topic, commercially-oriented message
> >that is repeatedly posted in a newsgroup is - if not definitively spam -
> >most certainly a member of the spam family.
>
> Hey, it's almost never off-topic, it's just a sig file! And it's not
> commercial, as it's just a catalog and says FREE! Right there. What about all
> the sigs people have with the adress to their webpages? Is that not spam? How
> come you don't get on ninja about HIS sig?
>
...I don't read ninja's posts.
> > But having spent countless hours in myriad Usenet newsgroups, I
> >can tell you this is the only sig file I have ever seen that contains an
> >advertisement.
>
> Once again, I say ninja. And to a lesser extent, EVERYBODY WHO HAS A LINK TO
> THEIR WEBPAGE!
> - - - - - - -
...sit down, Jack. Breath deep....relax, okay? I won't make any more
comments about the rifter's sig-file. 'Tain't worth ruffling my fellow
affz'ers. :o)
FF :o{-
INEMM
wrote:
>>"You can call me Al" makes me want to grab an AK-47 or an UZI
>>and go ROGUING!
>
>
>You would use an Uzi???? Made by Jews? Hard to believe...
Whatever gets the job done. :) :)
Have ya tried the Kosovo mission yet ?
That one's tough...
Another favorite is the one in the snow...or the airplane.
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> >not spam? How
> >> come you don't get on ninja about HIS sig?
> >>
> >
> >...I don't read ninja's posts.
>
>
Ho!
> >
> >...sit down, Jack. Breath deep....relax, okay? I won't make any more
> >comments about the rifter's sig-file. 'Tain't worth ruffling my fellow
> >affz'ers. :o)
> >
>
> Don't worry, I'm not trying to be angry with you, I just disagree :) Now,
> let's go back to talking about your daughter...
> - - - - - - -
...<snickersnicker> She's moving to Reno, dammit! Leaving tomorrow, she
is. Something about "bigger tips," or words to that effect. Now I can go
back to being a slob - but I *am* really gonna miss her and that damn
car!
FF :o(
Jack P. Armstrong
>> come you don't get on ninja about HIS sig?
>>
>
>...I don't read ninja's posts.
Ha!
>
>...sit down, Jack. Breath deep....relax, okay? I won't make any more
>comments about the rifter's sig-file. 'Tain't worth ruffling my fellow
>affz'ers. :o)
>
Don't worry, I'm not trying to be angry with you, I just disagree :) Now,
let's go back to talking about your daughter...
- - - - - - -
Jack P. Armstrong
>>
>>I can't stand Paul Simon.
>>
>>and go ROGUING!
>
>
>You would use an Uzi???? Made by Jews? Hard to believe...
>
It's only fitting ,since Paul Simon himself is Jewish. Isn't he?
Michael Gula
> this is the only sig file I have ever seen that contains an
> advertisement.
>
Eveyone who posts from deja or remarQ has an advertisment in his
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Peter de B. Harrington
"ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo" <liqui...@aol.comSCI> wrote in message
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> >From: jy...@aol.com (JYOB)
> >Date: 3/3/00 3:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <20000303180428...@ng-df1.aol.com>
> >
> >> my
> >>daughter and I have been going to concerts together for seven years
> >
> >music
> >(Zappa, Brian Wilson, Steely Dan) I felt like I was my father trying to
get
> >me
> >to like Guy Lombardo & Lawrence Welk!
> >
> >The Old Geezer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Pete
Peter de B. Harrington
Pete
"Michael Gula" <mike...@MORESPAMerols.com> wrote in message
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> Magnus Delle wrote:
> >
> > Well, I´m over forty but I don´t drive a Lincoln.
>
> And I don't wear a bow tie.
S.R. Lewis
Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> "ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo wrote:
>
> >My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
> >
> That makes 2 of us.
I too am surrounded by teenagers consuming the latest trends in music, from
Rap to Rock. Not ALL of it is terrible, just most of it- like always from time
immemorial.
There is a disturbing undercurrent of violence and anger and a general
disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for my
taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or LimpBizkits or
whoever, just so we all know whats going on. Sometimes these discussions are
the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
getting young'uns to open up.
--
Best to all
Steve
http://www.hyperindex.com/srl/
Lewis Saul
I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss <snip> these
discussions are
>the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
>getting young'uns to open up.
>--
Yeah Steve same here. My 11-year-old's straight-A present was any CD she
wanted and it came along with my Steely Dan yesterday -- it's called Blink
182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
whatever.
I watched her wrip the shrink wrap off with the enthusiasm I did with Dan
(only I beat her -- mine was off in 0.0000000002 seconds :)
Later I walked by her room where she had her headphones on groovin' away --
I haven't even looked at athe booklet yet but I'm bettin it's no worse than
briefcase boogie.
there's nothing i wouldn't totally trust her with -- she's such a great kid
I'm just positive that no word said by anyone is going to make her go blow
away her schoolmates...
I'll read the booklet tonight and laugh about why someone decided to put a
sticker on it...
ls
S.R. Lewis
Lewis Saul wrote:
> S.R. Lewis wrote in message <38C5481B...@stic.net>...
>
> ......came along with my Steely Dan yesterday -- it's called Blink
> 182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
>
> whatever.
My wife (39ish) likes those guys, real poppy stuff. Production values have
increased so much over the 'old' days that even mediocre material is really
well produced and sounds, uh, OK.
> I watched her wrip the shrink wrap off with the enthusiasm I did with Dan
> (only I beat her -- mine was off in 0.0000000002 seconds :)
Fast Dad! finally those years of experience are paying off...
> Later I walked by her room where she had her headphones on groovin' away --
> I haven't even looked at athe booklet yet but I'm bettin it's no worse than
> briefcase boogie.
Mutt is probably the most objectionable song on there- and it ridicules players
and phonies. Dumpweed is about a young man agonizing over not being able to
control love or women.A reference in the album somewhere to "not letting the
door hit you in the ass" and in the liner notes the first thing they do is
Thank God for the opportunity to do something they love. And this gets an
Advisory? I must have missed something....
> there's nothing i wouldn't totally trust her with -- she's such a great kid
> I'm just positive that no word said by anyone is going to make her go blow
> away her schoolmates...
it seems like anybody paying the least amount of attention to their kids would
see something like that coming. Assuming your kids aren't part of the problem,
the trick in this day and age is to run the line between making them
sophisticated enough to watch out for themselves out there in this ugly world
(esp. our girl children!)(where did all those loser guys on Jerry Springer come
from, anyway?) and still have some semblance of a childhood.
> I'll read the booklet tonight and laugh about why someone decided to put a
> sticker on it...
Beats me.
tonyw...@hotmail.com
> Mutt is probably the most objectionable song on there...
Totally unrelated, but did anyone here know that Shania Twain is married to
Mutt Lange, of Hysteria-and-most-of-the-80s fame?
--
The meaning of affz:
"You get out what you put in - a bit like a box. Only, it's a newsgroup."
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~srsac
--
Sarah A Werning
> There is a disturbing undercurrent of violence and anger and a general
> disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for my
> taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
> merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or LimpBizkits or
> the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
> getting young'uns to open up.
Three cheers for involved, responsible parenting! Now, if only the rest of
the child-havers would do this, we'd be better off.
Sarah
Jack P. Armstrong
>182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
Get that CD away from that poor poor misguided young girl! Blink 182 are a
pop-punk band (not even GOOD pop-punk like the Buzzcocks)... Their songs are
more childish than "twinkle twinkly little star" yet not as scatological as
Zappa's work.
0vercooked
Lewis, will your daughter be at the millenium party?
-- - -- 0vercooked
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:23:08 -0800, "Lewis Saul" <ls...@azstarnet.com>
wrote:
>S.R. Lewis wrote in message <38C5481B...@stic.net>...
>
>I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss <snip> these
>discussions are
>>the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
>>getting young'uns to open up.
>>--
>
>
>Yeah Steve same here. My 11-year-old's straight-A present was any CD she
>wanted and it came along with my Steely Dan yesterday -- it's called Blink
>182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
>
>whatever.
>
>I watched her wrip the shrink wrap off with the enthusiasm I did with Dan
>(only I beat her -- mine was off in 0.0000000002 seconds :)
>
>Later I walked by her room where she had her headphones on groovin' away --
>I haven't even looked at athe booklet yet but I'm bettin it's no worse than
>briefcase boogie.
>
>there's nothing i wouldn't totally trust her with -- she's such a great kid
>I'm just positive that no word said by anyone is going to make her go blow
>away her schoolmates...
>
>I'll read the booklet tonight and laugh about why someone decided to put a
>sticker on it...
>
>ls
>
>
Fast Frank :o{-
>
>
...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> Fast Frank :o{- wrote:
>
> > this is the only sig file I have ever seen that contains an
> > advertisement.
> >
>
> Eveyone who posts from deja or remarQ has an advertisment in his
> sig file.
> --
>
1) The crap that deja, remarQ, msn, hotmail, yahoo, and all those other
corporate muckity-mucks add to yer posts are put there by those very
muckity-mucks. They are not a part of a person's sig-file, which is an
actual file in a person's computer, located in their hard drive, usually
in their Nutscrape or IE - or whatever browser they use - folder.
2) Anyone who would rather not be a surfing advertisement for their ISP,
IAP, Web-mail site, etc., can remove the offending tag if they so
desire.
...I wasn't gonna respond to this thread any more, but since this one
didn't mention the rifter, I figgered it would be allowable.
FF :o{-
Fast Frank :o{-
>
> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
>
> >
> > >My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
> > >
> > That makes 2 of us.
>
> I too am surrounded by teenagers consuming the latest trends in music, from
> Rap to Rock. Not ALL of it is terrible, just most of it- like always from time
> immemorial.
> disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for my
> taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
> merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or LimpBizkits or
> the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
> getting young'uns to open up.
> --
...yeah, you have to sift through the rough to understand where the
performer might be coming from. To use your examples, Dr. Dre, being a
native of the hell hole of South Central L.A., has a legitimate reason
to be pissed, and he expresses what he has seen and lived with through
his music. Limpdick Bizkit, on the other hand, are a bunch of no-talent,
Korn-wannabe whiny-asses. Several years ago, their record company
actually paid KUFO radio in Portland, OR tens of thousands of dollars to
play one of Limpdick's tunes. Back in the 50's they called that "payola"
and it was illegal. Now it's just "doing business." There's a lot of
excellent music out there - most of which you won't hear on Top 40
radio. One of my favorite bands is Rage Against the Machine. They are
one pissed off band, but unlike Limpdick Kissbutt, they're not whining
because their girlfriend was fuckin' around because she found out that
he was fuckin' around (that is *so* lame I always feel the Hershy
squirts coming on every time I hear a Limp tune). RATM's stuff is aimed
at US supported genocide in Mexico and South America, the fact that a
country with the wealth and power that this country does still has kids
who go to bed hungry, and families who live on the streets.
Back in the 60's there were performers who were social activists - even
FZ, in his own way. Then it got to be a fad, which then turned into an
empty image. Nowadays there's more bland fluff than anything.
FF :o{-
Fast Frank :o{-
> discussions are
> >the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
> >getting young'uns to open up.
> >--
>
> wanted and it came along with my Steely Dan yesterday -- it's called Blink
> 182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
>
...I like Blink 182. I've seen 'em twice in concert. Potty mouths, to be
sure, but they're really pretty harmless fun.
Lewis Saul
>Somebody should put a sticker over Becker & Fagen---and shipt them to
Siberia!
>Tight, polished, intellectual, and AWFUL...
>
>Zoogz Rift (The Liquid Moamo)
Can we semi-politely (FUCK NO!) agree to disagree on this one? Even Dan fans
are complaining about the constant 2/4 backbeat, as if it were some kind of
techno-pop or somthin'
and then I'd have to move to Siberia and me and Vladimir would create Zappa
websites late at night into the cold Russian winters and
hjey thanks for the lew writes good music line in another thread -- words of
praise from you are indeed cherished...
i'll tell you how i discovered you through this ng -- I bought all your sst
stuff on LP at a nicely discounted price (!) and couldn't believe it. I had
a giant major preconceived notion before I ever put a record on however.
Especially when I opened the record and notice the plugs for all the other
acts on SST -- seemed like this was "punk" label -- ...that didn't appeal to
me...
But then that *sound* started happening (in between the lumpy-gravy=type
craziness going on with people yelling fuck you at each other and doing many
nasty acts in general)...
...and I listened to every single one of those SST about 3 or 4
times...(started to write reviews, 'member? gotta finish that) -- cuz I'm
always amazed by how different people use different aspects of musical
conversation -- i.e. meters, timbres, favorite parts of the harmonic
overtone series, etc...
So you liking my music is a real treat, cuz when I listen to your stuff, I
say to myself -- "this guy hears the same fuckin' crazy shit in his head
that I do -- [sort of...]" !@#)_*(&!
burp
Sarah A Werning
> Read The Onion?
>
Of course!
The most brilliant article this year was the one for the first Onion of
the semester:
COLUMBINE JOCKS SAFELY BEGIN BULLYING AGAIN
But I read it every week hoping they top it. The Child-care workers one
from last week was very good.
Sarah
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/7/00 10:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <38C5481B...@stic.net>
>
>
>
>Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
>
>> "ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo wrote:
>>
>> >My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
>> >
>> That makes 2 of us.
>
> I too am surrounded by teenagers consuming the latest trends in music, from
>Rap to Rock. Not ALL of it is terrible, just most of it
No. It's ALL terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd put my SUNKEN TREASURES against any of these young whippersnappers any day
of the week!
God, does music SUCK these days...
Zoogz Rift (The Liquid Moamo)
Now you can finally hear lots of ZR dada music at
the *official* School Of The Criminally Insane webcage:
http://www.zoogzrift.com/
alt.fan.zoogz-rift can be scarey at times, as well...
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/7/00 1:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <scapgtk...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>S.R. Lewis wrote in message <38C5481B...@stic.net>...
>
>I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss <snip> these
>discussions are
>>the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
>>getting young'uns to open up.
>>--
>
>
>Yeah Steve same here. My 11-year-old's straight-A present was any CD she
>wanted and it came along with my Steely Dan yesterday -- it's called Blink
>182 and had an advisory sticker on it...
>
>
>I watched her wrip the shrink wrap off with the enthusiasm I did with Dan
>(only I beat her -- mine was off in 0.0000000002 seconds :)
>
>Later I walked by her room where she had her headphones on groovin' away --
>I haven't even looked at athe booklet yet but I'm bettin it's no worse than
>briefcase boogie.
>
>there's nothing i wouldn't totally trust her with -- she's such a great kid
>I'm just positive that no word said by anyone is going to make her go blow
>away her schoolmates...
>
>I'll read the booklet tonight and laugh about why someone decided to put a
>sticker on it...
>
>ls
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Somebody should put a sticker over Becker & Fagen---and shipt them to Siberia!
Tight, polished, intellectual, and AWFUL...
Zoogz Rift (The Liquid Moamo)
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>
>On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, S.R. Lewis wrote:
>> disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for
>my
>> taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
>> merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or
>LimpBizkits or
>are
>> the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
>> getting young'uns to open up.
>
>the child-havers would do this, we'd be better off.
>
>Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Why? So today's children can turn out just as lame and conformist as their
goofball, ignorant parents?...
David Blumenstein
Sarah A Werning wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, S.R. Lewis wrote:
> > There is a disturbing undercurrent of violence and anger and a general
> > disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for my
> > taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
> > merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or LimpBizkits or
> > whoever, just so we all know whats going on. Sometimes these discussions are
> > the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
> > getting young'uns to open up.
>
> Three cheers for involved, responsible parenting! Now, if only the rest of
> the child-havers would do this, we'd be better off.
>
> Sarah
Read The Onion?
--
David
Peter de B. Harrington
"S.R. Lewis" <bnw...@stic.net> wrote in message
news:38C5481B...@stic.net...
>
>
> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
>
> > "ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo wrote:
> >
> > >My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
> > >
> > That makes 2 of us.
>
> I too am surrounded by teenagers consuming the latest trends in music,
from
time
> immemorial.
> disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music for
my
> taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss the
> merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or
LimpBizkits or
> whoever, just so we all know whats going on. Sometimes these discussions
are
> the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool in
> getting young'uns to open up.
You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
off!
Pete
John Henley
<jam...@joes.garage> wrote:
> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> >
> > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
> >
>
> ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
>
Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
do you all think, huh? Should I?
John Henley
Austin TX
Tom Tuerff
<overc...@REMOOOVE.netdirect.net> wrote:
> My soon to be 14 year old daughter also likes Blink 182.
> Lewis, will your daughter be at the millenium party?
> -- - -- 0vercooked
>
My son is 14 and he listens to 70s funk music. He thinks today's music is
shit, although like every 14 year old boy in America, if Britney Spears
walked up and offered him a blowjob I imagine he'd go for it, but not if
they had to listen to her album, which he often refers to as "Shitney."
I'll never forget the day he was listening to a collection of funk tunes
that he bought off the TV and he said, "You know, Dad, that George Clinton
is one strange guy. Is all his stuff this cool?"
TT
Peter de B. Harrington
that I
lasted this long without any. I do have some interesting scars. I sure
hope that my last
statement doesn't spawn into a thread.
Pete
"Fast Frank :o{-" <jam...@joes.garage> wrote in message
news:38C5CA1F...@joes.garage...
> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> >
> > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
> >
>
> ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
>
Ron Spiegelhalter
>
> My son is 14 and he listens to 70s funk music. He thinks today's music is
> shit, although like every 14 year old boy in America, if Britney Spears
> walked up and offered him a blowjob I imagine he'd go for it
Uhh...does that make me a 14 year old boy?
ron
Ron Spiegelhalter
>
> Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
> do you all think, huh? Should I?
I had one for about a week, then one day I looked at myself in the mirror
and thought "what the fuck am I doing?" I just can't get take myself
seriously while sporting that kind of affectation. But give it a shot
anyway, the worst that can happen is you decide it's silly and take it out.
ron
Doug Boucher
Sarah A Werning <swe...@uic.edu>
> > Read The Onion?
> >
>
> Of course!
>
> The most brilliant article this year was the one for the first Onion of
> the semester:
>
> COLUMBINE JOCKS SAFELY BEGIN BULLYING AGAIN
Oh yeah. But my fave ever is still the one about Strom Thurmond changing his
views on homosexuality after a one-night stand. Classic!
Doug
Geir Corneliussen
>
> In article <38C5CA1F...@joes.garage>, Fast Frank :o{-
> <jam...@joes.garage> wrote:
>
> > Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
> > >
> >
> > ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
> >
>
> do you all think, huh? Should I?
It doesen't sound you are the right type. A guy with an ear-ring would
never asked out at AFFZ beforehand...It's a very personal and private
thing, to have an ear-ring. I know many guys with ear-rings. Great guys.
None are kids, all are around 40, And tattoos. Many old sailors...My old
uncle was one.
Piercing is quite another deal, a new thing. The youngsters use it over
here, I've seen. It looks awful to me. But I am not the type for this
stuff. I like it pure and nice, simple clothings, no tatoos etc...it's
just a matter of taste. And what turns you on. Piercing and tatoos turns
me off. It's very simple, you see. You don't ask yourself a lot of dumb
questions. You just do it if you fetish it. I think it look ugly on
women. On a man, I think it looks good if the guy is the right type, and
not some old office-rat out to look younger. That ALWAYS looks goofy ;)
--
Geir Corneliussen
_______________FLFFZL_____________
http://www.friendlylittlefinger.com
Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.
FZ
Peter de B. Harrington
because
someone is on TV or plays enjoyable music that they have an important
message to convey, are worth imitating, or even fun to be around.
The problem with Fred Durst is that he is proud to be an ignoramus, not that
there is anything wrong with being ignorant. I
don't believe he aspires to be a role-model.
Fred freely admitted in an interview that he has never read a book, but
Frank also stated that he hates to read. So I don't think you
can blame Limp Bizkit. Instead you could blame the followers (i.e.,
listeners) who parrot or ape these musicians in all
their superficial attributes. And this is not anything new, but has been
going on for years. Just think about what Madonna did for the
navel, again not anything distasteful about seeing a navel on display, just
as long as there isn't a lint ball stuck at the bottom.
For social activism, it never had any commercial potential. Sure during the
60's, you had some goofy anti-vietnam songs (war what is it good for),
but no one really attacked the real problems, such as the class disparity of
the draft or Congress and the Whitehouse.
Today we have a song or two about "saving a whale," but you don't hear
anyone singing against overpopulation or capital punishment.
By the way I happen to like Limp Bizkit, so I not only listen to rap music,
but REALLY BAD rap music.
Pete
"Fast Frank :o{-" <jam...@joes.garage> wrote in message
news:38C5D4A3...@joes.garage...
> S.R. Lewis wrote:
> >
> > Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> >
> > > "ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo wrote:
> > >
> > > >My son listens to rap just to piss me off.
> > > >
> > > That makes 2 of us.
> >
> > I too am surrounded by teenagers consuming the latest trends in music,
from
> > Rap to Rock. Not ALL of it is terrible, just most of it- like always
from time
> > immemorial.
> > There is a disturbing undercurrent of violence and anger and a general
> > disregard for other people contained within too much of the new music
for my
> > taste. I listen carefully to what the kids listen to so I can discuss
the
> > merits (or not) of the point of view I'm hearing from Dr. Dre or
LimpBizkits or
> > whoever, just so we all know whats going on. Sometimes these discussions
are
> > the only time my kids can feel like they can educate ME- a useful tool
in
> > getting young'uns to open up.
> > --
>
S.R. Lewis
Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
> off!
Hey, me too!
Michael Gula
> My son is 14 and he listens to 70s funk music. He thinks today's music is
> shit, although like every 14 year old boy in America, if Britney Spears
> walked up and offered him a blowjob I imagine he'd go for it,
If he's like most 14 year old boys, she wouldn't even have to be
Britney Spears.
Franz Fuchs
Liquid Moamo) wrote:
>Somebody should put a sticker over Becker & Fagen---and shipt them to Siberia!
>Tight, polished, intellectual, and AWFUL...
Although I like most of Steely Dan's records, I have to partially
agree with Zoogz. I can list a lot of Dan songs which really astonish
me: Their first album is a near-perfect pop masterpiece, "King of The
World", the melancholy of "Pearl of The Quarter", the funk of "Night
By Night", "Rose Darling", "Throw Back The Little Ones" and the great
(voice box)guitar solo from "Haitian Divorce". You name the first five
records and I'm enthusiastic.
The problems started with "Aja" - which is the highpoint of Dan's
career for many people - when they decided to bring "jazz" influences
to the fore. I'm putting "jazz" between quotation marks because it
seems to me that this sort of "jazz" is just an aural embellishment
for the kind of people who actually don't like jazz and would oppose
its more demanding aspects, e.g. dissonance.
(I'm aware that this is an unjust accusation, because many Dan fans
know a lot about jazz, including the more adventurous parts of its
history.
Becker and Fagen on the other hand don't hide that they aren't very
fond of Free Jazz, employing conservative rules in their judgments.)
With "Aja" and its forced "good taste", Steely Dan created a blueprint
for coffeetable-"jazz". I admit it, I can't fully object to this
album, maybe because I have a knack for clever arrangements, even when
the founding aesthetic is rather questionable. But to this day I
didn't manage to listen through "Gaucho" (or "Countdown To Lethargy"
as Robert Christgau calls it) in one session.*
Considering that "2vN" has already been likened to this album, I'm not
sure if I really want to buy it.
Regards
Franz Fuchs
* Today I finally made it (listening to the whole "Gaucho"). Now I
wonder: Why do so many pop musicians mistaken their slickness for
"maturity"? Fortunately the "Citizen Dan" edition ends with a better
note, the Flo and Eddie demo to "Everyone's Gone To The Movies".
Lewis Saul
>sure if I really want to buy it.
>
Well, everyone likes what they like...
btw, my CD doesn't sound ANYTHING like Steely Dan.....any comments, Franz --
did you get it??
Lewis Saul
The Frank Zappa Musical Resource Institute (TFZMRI)
http://www.onour.com/tfzmri
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Paul Hinrichs
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>Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
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>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
>> off!
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> Hey, me too!
>
Three!
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/7/00 9:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <scbnhkp...@corp.supernews.com>
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>>Somebody should put a sticker over Becker & Fagen---and shipt them to
>Siberia!
>>Tight, polished, intellectual, and AWFUL...
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>are complaining about the constant 2/4 backbeat, as if it were some kind of
>techno-pop or somthin'
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>and then I'd have to move to Siberia and me and Vladimir would create Zappa
>websites late at night into the cold Russian winters and
>
I like the early stuff, I hate to admit. My Old School, Reeling In The Years,
whatever. But you must admit, they're fucking SICKENING! :P
>hjey thanks for the lew writes good music line in another thread -- words of
>praise from you are indeed cherished...
>
Steely Dan STILL sucks! lol
>i'll tell you how i discovered you through this ng -- I bought all your sst
>stuff on LP at a nicely discounted price (!) and couldn't believe it. I had
>a giant major preconceived notion before I ever put a record on
I don't play the "celebrity game." I come on the net and act like an obnoxious
moron, and people tend to naturally discount the rumors of my "talent."
lol---life in the dada lane, I suppose... Then they hear my stuff and the
universe implodes...
>however.
>Especially when I opened the record and notice the plugs for all the other
>acts on SST -- seemed like this was "punk" label -- ...that didn't appeal to
>me...
>
SST owes me a LOT of money...
>But then that *sound* started happening (in between the lumpy-gravy=type
>craziness going on with people yelling fuck you at each other and doing many
>nasty acts in general)...
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>...and I listened to every single one of those SST about 3 or 4
>times...(started to write reviews, 'member? gotta finish that) -- cuz I'm
>always amazed by how different people use different aspects of musical
>conversation -- i.e. meters, timbres, favorite parts of the harmonic
>overtone series, etc...
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>So you liking my music is a real treat, cuz when I listen to your stuff, I
>say to myself -- "this guy hears the same fuckin' crazy shit in his head
>that I do -- [sort of...]" !@#)_*(&!
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Oh, I've learned a little bit about music over the years---VERY little! lol
We're all fucking nuts.
p.s. Steely Dan still makes me want to throw up...
Robert Burz
John Henley wrote:
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> Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
> do you all think, huh? Should I?
No.
Jack P. Armstrong
>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
>> off!
>
> Hey, me too!
Oddly enough, I listen to Zoogz Rift just to piss off Puff Daddy.
But seriously folks, on a whim, I bought a clearance-sale cassette of Biz
Markie's "All Samples Cleared" - what a fucked up album! Biz Markie is a funny
funny man... and he samples FOUR DIFFERENT versions of the SAME song... (an
Allen Touissant song, the name of which escapes me...)
In conclusion:
My girl Elenore went to the drugstore
to get deoderant, I think it was Sure
Cause the one she used before made her underarms sore
and thats why elenore don't use it no more
- - - - - - -
Jody B. (aka Jack P. Armstrong)
"I am a real Minimalist, because I don't do very much. I know some minimalists
who call themselves minimalist but they do loads of minimalism. That is
cheating. I really don't do very much." - Robert Wyatt
Cal Schenkel
wrote:
>In article <38C5CA1F...@joes.garage>, Fast Frank :o{-
><jam...@joes.garage> wrote:
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>> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
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>> > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
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>> ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
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>Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
>do you all think, huh? Should I?
>
>John Henley
>Austin TX
I got my ear pierced on Venice beach in 1965
(under the influence of a beautiful blonde nymph)
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/8/00 5:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20000308201700...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
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>>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
>>> off!
>>
>> Hey, me too!
>
>Oddly enough, I listen to Zoogz Rift just to piss off Puff Daddy.
>
I listen to Zoogz Rift music just to piss myself off!
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/8/00 4:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <38c6ed6a...@news.newsguy.com>
That was during Cal's Muscle Beach bodybuilding period.
He's sent me pictures. Pretty buff! Way to go, Cal! Wooo!
Fast Frank :o{-
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> In article <38C5CA1F...@joes.garage>, Fast Frank :o{-
> <jam...@joes.garage> wrote:
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> > Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
> > >
> >
> > ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
> >
>
> Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
> do you all think, huh? Should I?
>
> John Henley
> Austin TX
...the nice thing about piercings - as opposed to gettin' inked - is
that if you feel goofy about it later on, it'll grow back. Heck, you
only get one ride on this planet...go for it. I have both ear lobes
pierced twice, my kids thought I was awesome for doing it, and nobody I
worked with had the gonads to make any disparaging remarks regarding my
manhood. I was showing one guy how easy it is to slide the things in and
out of my ears, and he damn near fainted! :o)
FF :o{-
Fast Frank :o{-
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> >In article <38C5CA1F...@joes.garage>, Fast Frank :o{-
> ><jam...@joes.garage> wrote:
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> >> Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm over 40, and don't have any tattoos or pierced body parts.
> >> >
> >>
> >> ...well hey! It's never too late, you know! :o)
> >>
> >
> >Well, I'm thinking of getting an earring. What
> >do you all think, huh? Should I?
> >
> >John Henley
> >Austin TX
>
> (under the influence of a beautiful blonde nymph)
...SNARK! You rascal! ;o)
FF :o{-
Fast Frank :o{-
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...jeez, it sounds like I was sort of grumpy when I wrote that. Really,
I think the important thing is that people listen to music...period.
Regardless of what it is, or how much the other guy thinks that it
sucks, music is, always has, and always will be *the* primo and original
form of self-expression. I can't imagine life without it.
FF :o{-
> "Fast Frank :o{-" <jam...@joes.garage> wrote in message
> news:38C5D4A3...@joes.garage...
> > S.R. Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter de B. Harrington wrote:
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John Henley
which is some weird pseudo-nymmmm for Cal Schenkel, wrote:
> I got my ear pierced on Venice beach in 1965
> (under the influence of a beautiful blonde nymph)
Definitely the way to do it, I'd say. If I can
find me a bb nymph I'll go for it fer sure.
John Henley
Austin TX
Paul Hinrichs
Liquid Moamo) wrote:
>>From: stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA (Jack P. Armstrong)
>>Date: 3/8/00 5:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20000308201700...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
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>>>
>>>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
>>>> off!
>>>
>>> Hey, me too!
>>
>>Oddly enough, I listen to Zoogz Rift just to piss off Puff Daddy.
>>
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>I listen to Zoogz Rift music just to piss myself off!
Speaking of "Zappa Fans Over 40", I listen to Zoogz Rift music just
to piss.
Geir Corneliussen
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> On 09 Mar 2000 02:06:58 GMT, liqui...@aol.comSCI (ZOOGZ RIFT--The
> Liquid Moamo) wrote:
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> >>From: stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA (Jack P. Armstrong)
> >>Date: 3/8/00 5:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >>Message-id: <20000308201700...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss Zoogz
> >>>> off!
> >>>
> >>> Hey, me too!
> >>
> >>Oddly enough, I listen to Zoogz Rift just to piss off Puff Daddy.
> >>
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> >I listen to Zoogz Rift music just to piss myself off!
>
> Speaking of "Zappa Fans Over 40", I listen to Zoogz Rift music just
> to piss.
Me, I listen to Zoogz while I piss. I listen to his piss, and I piss and
piss and I piss. Then I piss some more, listen to Zoogz shitheads, and
then I go shit, and then I go out here and eat some spam. Then some more
spam. Then I piss while I eat spam and then I shit then I eat spam and
shit and spam and piss and drink piss while I eat spam and shit, all
while I listen to Zoogz. And I am not even 40 yet!
Short put, just piss.
ZOOGZ RIFT--The Liquid Moamo
>Date: 3/9/00 9:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <38C7E2...@online.no>
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>Paul Hinrichs wrote:
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>> On 09 Mar 2000 02:06:58 GMT, liqui...@aol.comSCI (ZOOGZ RIFT--The
>> Liquid Moamo) wrote:
>>
>> >>From: stuco...@aol.comABBAZABA (Jack P. Armstrong)
>> >>Date: 3/8/00 5:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >>Message-id: <20000308201700...@ng-fp1.aol.com>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>> You didn't understand my post. I listen to Rap music just to piss
>Zoogz
>> >>>> off!
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey, me too!
>> >>
>> >>Oddly enough, I listen to Zoogz Rift just to piss off Puff Daddy.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I listen to Zoogz Rift music just to piss myself off!
>>
>> Speaking of "Zappa Fans Over 40", I listen to Zoogz Rift music just
>> to piss.
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>Me, I listen to Zoogz while I piss. I listen to his piss, and I piss and
>piss and I piss. Then I piss some more, listen to Zoogz shitheads, and
>then I go shit, and then I go out here and eat some spam. Then some more
>spam. Then I piss while I eat spam and then I shit then I eat spam and
>shit and spam and piss and drink piss while I eat spam and shit, all
>while I listen to Zoogz. And I am not even 40 yet!
>
>Short put, just piss.
In other words, you're just shittin' us!
Ain't that a pisser.
Franz Fuchs
wrote:
>>Considering that "2vN" has already been likened to this album, I'm not
>>sure if I really want to buy it.
>>
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>Well, everyone likes what they like...
I liked your review of 2vN at alt.music.steely-dan. But I'm afraid
that your enthusiastic account of the record is better than the music
itself :-)
>btw, my CD doesn't sound ANYTHING like Steely Dan.....any comments, Franz --
>did you get it??
Yes, I've got it - thank you! I've listened five times to the whole
CD. Maybe I'll try to write a longer sort of review in the near
future. Just a few remarks: Initially I didn't like the relatively
straight-ahead fusion numbers ("Flow-ers", "Black Hocket", "Stained
Glass/Music Man") very much, but I suppose that had more to do with
the AWE and Alesis sounds (I think that there are problems especially
with certain woodwind and brass emulations). My favourite is "Giraffe
Geometry". Fantastic track! Since it has been said by affz-ers that it
has Nintendo and cell-phone-like sounds [although that was probably an
ambiguous characterization/compliment :-)] it's interesting that on
one of the last "Wire Tapper" CDs there was a track by German
electronica project "Klangstabil" that consists entirely of
live-manipulated Nintendo sounds.
"Geta Cloud", "The Bubble Machine" and "A Blue/Purple Cave" also stand
out for me. And you have more than one great synth-bass line on your
record! The best example is in "Don't Let Him In", where you managed
to create a hypnotic vamp. The brass(?) counter-melody between the
hi-hat semi-quavers and drum fills fits perfectly. But
somehow I find the ganza (is that the right name? I mean the
percussion instrument that you have to rub) in the middle section
disturbing. Before I forget it: The mallett patterns on some of tracks
are also very well done! Examples for this are IIRC "Flow-ers" and
"Giant Baby Steps". Have to check your programme notes to learn the
function of the trumpet fanfare in the latter track because I find it
- despite its obviously ironic tone - a bit out of place (but i guess
that's the point).
"Horizontal Wipe" - another bass-line which makes me smile . I'm
pretty sure that's 9/8 in the second part.
Okay Lewis, be mild if I have mixed up song titles and arrangements...
Regards
Franz Fuchs
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
<snippage>
> The problems started with "Aja" - which is the highpoint of Dan's
> career for many people - when they decided to bring "jazz" influences
> to the fore. I'm putting "jazz" between quotation marks because it
> seems to me that this sort of "jazz" is just an aural embellishment
> for the kind of people who actually don't like jazz and would oppose
> its more demanding aspects, e.g. dissonance.
> (I'm aware that this is an unjust accusation, because many Dan fans
> know a lot about jazz, including the more adventurous parts of its
> history.
> Becker and Fagen on the other hand don't hide that they aren't very
> fond of Free Jazz, employing conservative rules in their judgments.)
> With "Aja" and its forced "good taste", Steely Dan created a blueprint
> for coffeetable-"jazz". I admit it, I can't fully object to this
> album, maybe because I have a knack for clever arrangements, even when
> the founding aesthetic is rather questionable. But to this day I
> didn't manage to listen through "Gaucho" (or "Countdown To Lethargy"
> as Robert Christgau calls it) in one session.
<more snippage>
This seems kinda like a partial "Jazz Manifesto" of sorts. Here's my
metaphorical take on manifestos in general and the seeming oxymoron of a
"surrealist manifesto" in particular, as prompted by some circumstantial
crossposting about surrealism awhile back:
Once there was a group of surrealists that met every Wednesday in a
conference room at a public building. On this particular Wednesday, one
of the surrealists entered a motion to create a Manifesto for the group.
This was seconded, and further motions passed to form a committee, elect a
chairman for the committee, establish a charter for the committee, and
many other things that were thought to lead to the expedient development
of the Manifesto. This was completed in a surprisingly short period of
time, and few bangings of the gavel by the chairman.
It was then moved and seconded that the meeting be adjourned. After
informal farewells, the surrealists arranged the chairs tidily around the
table and quietly left the room.
Then the dog woke up, snorted once, and rolled over on his back. The cat
rubbed the dog's tummy and said, "What's for breakfast?"
--
"The music becomes more and more abstract sounding
like a syncopated barnyard button factory."
- David Lynch, "Ronnie Rocket"
Sam and/or Karen Rouse
Four! (or is that five? or was it another thread? never mind...)
Lewis Saul
>Yes, I've got it - thank you! I've listened five times to the whole
>Regards
>Franz Fuchs
Thanks, Franz! That was really nice of you!
Glad to hear the disc made it to Austria...
Glad to hear Mr. Haider didn't demand that you burn it, too...
)-:
btw, you mentioned Giraffe Geometry -- the "electronic" track that I'm most
proud of is "Now Departing" -- I worked hard at getting all the blips and
bloops to be very musical, a la the way our leader and hero did...
:)-
ls
Franz Fuchs
wrote:
>>Considering that "2vN" has already been likened to this album, I'm not
>>sure if I really want to buy it.
>>
>
>
>Well, everyone likes what they like...
I liked your review of 2vN at alt.music.steely-dan. But I'm afraid
that your enthusiastic account of the record is better than the music
itself :-)
>btw, my CD doesn't sound ANYTHING like Steely Dan.....any comments, Franz --
>did you get it??
Yes, I've got it - thank you! I've listened five times to the whole
Franz Fuchs
wrote:
>Glad to hear Mr. Haider didn't demand that you burn it, too...
>
>)-:
But Lewis, what could one have against a profound and deep thinker
such as Haider? Due to his efforts Austria managed it to be on the
first page of the NY Times! And his Freedom party cultivates delicious
qualities like racism, bigotry, ignorance and hypocrisy (did I forget
anything?).
Considering that a month of this government seems like ages, this will
be very long 3 1/2 years. No doubt that the FP and especially the
People's Party (the other part in this fatal coaltion, now down ten
points to 15%) are willing to carry this on as long as possible.
>btw, you mentioned Giraffe Geometry -- the "electronic" track that I'm most
>proud of is "Now Departing" -- I worked hard at getting all the blips and
>bloops to be very musical, a la the way our leader and hero did...
I also like the multi-part "Perpetual Penguin..." with the
pointillistic beginning and the microtonal parallel runs...
Regards
Franz Fuchs
Franz Fuchs
<davi...@labyrinth.net.au> wrote:
>> I also like the multi-part "Perpetual Penguin..." with the
>> pointillistic beginning and the microtonal parallel runs...
>
>Could you say that an arpeggio is the musical version of pointillism?
I'd say that musical pointillism is defined by tiny melodic cells
(including arpeggios), only vaguely determing or constantly changing
tonality and altering quickly between different instruments and/or
registers. I suppose that a lot of FZ's synclavier compositions could
been seen under the category "pointillism".
Regards
Franz Fuchs
Lewis Saul
>
>Regards
>Franz Fuchs
>
The best example of pointillism in music, of course, is found in the music
of Webern...
ls