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Chris Maxfield

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Jan 21, 2003, 7:34:54 PM1/21/03
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WASHINGTON (Jan. 21) - Internet providers must agree to requests by the music
industry to track down computer users who illegally download music, a federal
judge ruled Tuesday in a case that could dramatically increase online pirates'
risk of being caught.

The decision by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates upheld the recording
industry's power under a 1998 law to compel Internet providers to identify
customers that illegally trade music or movies online.

Bates acknowledged that the case was an important test of subpoena powers
Congress granted to copyright holders under the Digital Millennium Copyright
Act.

The judge said that controversial law, which was enacted to uphold copyrights
online, permits music companies to force Internet providers to turn over the
name of a suspected pirate upon subpoena from any U.S. District Court clerk's
office, without a judge's order.

Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, said,
''The illegal distribution of music on the Internet is a serious issue for
musicians, songwriters and other copyright owners, and the record companies
have made great strides in addressing this problem by educating consumers and
providing them with legitimate alternatives.''

During a contentious hearing in October, the judge lamented ambiguities in the
copyright act, saying that Congress ''could have made this statute clearer.''
At the time, the music industry indicated that a ruling in its favor could
result in reams of warnings to scare Internet pirates into taking their
collections offline.

The case arose from efforts by the recording association to track down a
customer of Verizon Communications Inc. who was freely sharing copies of more
than 600 songs by well-known artists.

Sherman said that his organization, once it knows the identity of the Verizon
customer, would ''let them know that what they are doing is illegal.''

Verizon had resisted the music industry's subpoena to identify its customer,
saying it could turn Internet providers into a turnstile for piracy suits and
put innocent customers at risk.

Through programs like Kazaa, Morpheus and Gnutella, a person can find virtually
any song or movie - sometimes even before it's released in stores - and
download it for free. On a typical afternoon, about 3 million people were
connected on the Kazaa network and sharing more than 500 million files.

AP-NY-01-21-03 1540EST
"Put your head back; here comes the drill." Frank Zappa, R&E
Zapp...@aol.com a.k.a. Chris Maxfield


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Jan 21, 2003, 8:18:56 PM1/21/03
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zapp...@aol.com (Chris Maxfield) wrote in
news:20030121193454...@mb-cp.aol.com:

Why is it they always pick on the peer-to-peer filesharing and never seem
to touch NewsGroups?
Could it be that all of the record company execs download porn from the
newsgroups and don't want to chance wrecking their source?

Michael Gula

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Jan 21, 2003, 9:17:41 PM1/21/03
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"wß" wrote:

> Why is it they always pick on the peer-to-peer filesharing and never seem
> to touch NewsGroups?

Lower profile.

Most people I know who use the internet don't even know what
Usenet is.

> Could it be that all of the record company execs download porn from the
> newsgroups and don't want to chance wrecking their source?

Cracking down on illegal music postings wouldn't affect porn
postings.

x@y.z

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Jan 21, 2003, 11:48:58 PM1/21/03
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:17:41 -0500, Michael Gula <mike...@erols.com>


Although cracking down on copyright violations might affect porn
postings.

And frankly, I don't understand why everyone's so pissed off that they
might have to start paying for their music and their porn.


Chuck Spinach

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Jan 22, 2003, 1:07:28 AM1/22/03
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On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 04:48:58 GMT, "x@y.z" let go of his pickle and out jumped:

>And frankly, I don't understand why everyone's so pissed off that they
>might have to start paying for their music and their porn.

Who (and how much) are we going to pay for those hundreds of live FZ shows we
now have access to if the RIAA prevents the Zappateers, ninja (if he ever starts
again), Tea Sea, et al., from uploading them to usenet?

c_s

Patrick Neve

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Jan 22, 2003, 2:07:35 AM1/22/03
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Michael Gula wrote:
>
> Most people I know who use the internet don't even know what
> Usenet is.

What's Usenet? You got a URL for that?


That's what I usually hear, anyways.

x@y.z

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Jan 22, 2003, 3:44:15 AM1/22/03
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:07:35 -0800, Patrick Neve
<sp...@darkwing.uoregon.edu>

>On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Michael Gula wrote:
>>
>> Most people I know who use the internet don't even know what
>> Usenet is.
>
>What's Usenet? You got a URL for that?
>
>

Wow! They have usenet on the internet now?

Michael Gula

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Jan 22, 2003, 6:10:40 PM1/22/03
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What's an URL?

Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of URL?

Shiborugu

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Jan 22, 2003, 6:58:41 PM1/22/03
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It's another exapample of THE MAN stompin' us down.

Look out 1984, here we come! (thank you Mr. bush, we really mean it).

Shiborugu


Greg Henry

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Jan 22, 2003, 8:21:30 PM1/22/03
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Oh, I'm sure this isn't the end of it. Although, I must say that I knew
even way back in the beginning of the mp3 world that this would happen
eventually, that's why I got my fill early on. I look at it like a game
of Whack-A-Mole or Spy Vs. Spy; one side comes up with something then
the other side comes up with something that counters it and on and on.
Do you really think ISP's are going to betray their bread and butter?

-g

Greg Henry

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Jan 22, 2003, 8:23:21 PM1/22/03
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...and another thing. I have no desire to screw an individual artist but
I have to say it delights me to see big record companies get screwed. I
find it rather poetic considering the way they've screwed individual
artists over the years and most of the time for no other reason than the
fact that the little guy doesn't have the muscle to fight the big guys.

-g

Willie Nelson

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Jan 23, 2003, 8:54:47 AM1/23/03
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Greg Henry <bigd...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<3E2F439E...@adelphia.net>...

Exactly. And if anyone wants to trade for official Zappa releases,
just lemme know. I got 'em all. Curious as to the brouhaha over CPIII
but are loathe to spend 30 bucks to find out? Got that to trade too.
LOL. Fuck the record companies. In the ass yunno.


On the troll again.

Milhouse Guidry

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Jan 24, 2003, 10:14:15 PM1/24/03
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>>> Most people I know who use the internet don't even know what
>>> Usenet is.
>>
>>What's Usenet? You got a URL for that?
>>
>>
>
>Wow! They have usenet on the internet now?

-Oooh, they have the internet on computers now! =)

--Milhouse
http://www.livejournal.com/users/derekfz

mWo. It's not just the coolest, it's fa lyfe, so survey says
whether you like it or don't like it, never E-e-e-ver tell
me he did *not* just SMELL what mWo 3:16 reeks of.

Ibaranoff24

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Jan 28, 2003, 4:57:08 PM1/28/03
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EVERYBODY: Share your files on iMesh!:
WWW.IMESH.COM.
1: It's Free
2: It's not from the US (I Don't think. i dunno. it's been around before
Napster, so i guess they can't shut it down because it's from another country)
so they can't shut it down.

Check It out.
Once Again: www.imesh.com

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