FFE - System boundaries and hyperspace exit point.
Esse
point the ship outside the system, reach the top speed and set stardreamer
to 5? I've managed to fly 990+AU from the star. But nothing happens..
If you get far enough, can you see yourself (the purple circle) between the
stars in the star map? Can you reach close systems travelling this way? Or
simply the game will crash?
Does anyone know about how the game handles hyperspace? I was wondering if
there is a way to set or force the hyperspace exit point nearby a planet..
I've noticed that when you launch from a space station, you're aligned for
hyperspace: the ship always points to the void between the background white
nebula.
For example, if you launch,turn your ship by 180° and then jump, you'll
emerge from hyperspace facing the cloud remnants.
hori zontal
A while ago i had the same thought, so i headed out with engines off and
the stardreamer running, but like you said nothing happened and eventually
i gave up. I think the distances between the stars are so vast that
realisticly it would take a very very long time to get from sol to any
other system this way, even using the stardreamer. I doubt its possible
to travel to another system no matter how long you run it for, but perhaps
im wrong.
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> On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:22:36 -0000, Esse <n...@nono.no> wrote:
>
>> Is there any distance limit inside a star system? I mean what happen if
>> you
>> point the ship outside the system, reach the top speed and set
>> stardreamer
>> to 5? I've managed to fly 990+AU from the star. But nothing happens..
>> If you get far enough, can you see yourself (the purple circle) between
>> the
>> stars in the star map? Can you reach close systems travelling this way?
>> Or
>> simply the game will crash?
>
> the stardreamer running, but like you said nothing happened and eventually
> i gave up. I think the distances between the stars are so vast that
> realisticly it would take a very very long time to get from sol to any
> other system this way, even using the stardreamer. I doubt its possible
> to travel to another system no matter how long you run it for, but perhaps
> im wrong.
It isn't possible; the game engine doesn't allow it.
There is a sort of maximum distance you can fly from any star; after that
nothing new happens (some reported erratic number display for the distance).
There is no conversion between AUs (used in planetary systems) and light
years (that's between stars).
[Jongware]
Angus Manwaring
>>
I'm pretty sure David Braben told me that in Frontier there wasn't a
continuous route from one system to another. No amount of time compression
would ever get you from one to another. You had to Jump.
I imagine its the same in FFE.
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
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Hooplah
will require maintenance on your engines. Then they fail and game over.
How far you can go before you reach this point I've never tried.
galaxy!
Regards,
George
http://www.hooplah.com/encounters/index.htm
Shingen
wrote:
>Esse writes:
>
>Is there any distance limit inside a star system?
>
> In regular gameplay, yes. It is a time limit of ~one year where you
>will require maintenance on your engines. Then they fail and game over.
>How far you can go before you reach this point I've never tried.
>
> You will also not move to another system using this technique.
>
> Anyway it's more fun to use a hacked ship, and explore the entire
>galaxy!
Which isn't really possible either is it, 'cause of the 1 year engine
lifespan? even at the most remote outpost, you'd still could only go 6
months out before you'd have to return and repair your engine?
Plus all the systems are pretty much the same outside the core
systems, aren't they?
Daren
Shingen wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:02:07 -0500, "Hooplah" <gho...@hooplah.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Esse writes:
> >
> >Is there any distance limit inside a star system?
> >
> > In regular gameplay, yes. It is a time limit of ~one year where you
> >will require maintenance on your engines. Then they fail and game over.
> >How far you can go before you reach this point I've never tried.
> >
> > You will also not move to another system using this technique.
> >
> > Anyway it's more fun to use a hacked ship, and explore the entire
> >galaxy!
>
> Which isn't really possible either is it, 'cause of the 1 year engine
> lifespan? even at the most remote outpost, you'd still could only go 6
> months out before you'd have to return and repair your engine?
Which is why he said use a "hacked" ship :-p
Daren
A fox
version, I renamed my cobra to SHADOW and gave it more cargo space,
with missile performance. Haven't seen anything similar for other
platforms tho. Anyone looking for for a challenging expedition could
try to find the quasi-mythical black hole. Most doubt its existence,
but DB insists it's somewhere out there...
I found one funky system: Enexla -1816 -1317 - a binary pulsar. Check
it out if you're in the area.
[jongware]
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> Hacked ships spoil the fun! There's a few cool utils for the Miggy
> version, I renamed my cobra to SHADOW and gave it more cargo space,
> with missile performance. Haven't seen anything similar for other
> platforms tho. Anyone looking for for a challenging expedition could
> try to find the quasi-mythical black hole. Most doubt its existence,
> but DB insists it's somewhere out there...
Just as Elite 4 is. Repeat after me: "There is no black hole in Frontier."
..
Done? Ok, and now with feeling until you actually believe it. Coz *there is
NO black hole in Frontier*.
> I found one funky system: Enexla -1816 -1317 - a binary pulsar. Check
> it out if you're in the area.
<Spoiler>Enexla (-1816,-1317) is not a binary pulsar! And if you don't
believe *that* go see for yourself.</Spoiler>
[Jongware]
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Graham
Doesn't work with mine. :( Must be to do with the random seed.
Elite Fan
I forced misjumped to 42,000 AU away from Wolf 424 (happened twice).
So no, you don't get to another system, the stars were just very small.
Was cool though!
Shame really.
And can someone please clear up this binary pulsar thing, I want to
know when I should set off to get there!
[Jongware]
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>
> In Frontier I misjumped (not forced) to 42,000 AU away from Wolf 424
> (happened twice). So no, you don't get to another system, the stars
> were just very small. Was cool though!
>
> Shame really.
Yeah -- looking at the code it *should* have been possible to fly on
stardreamer 24 to another star
> And can someone please clear up this binary pulsar thing, I want to
> know when I should set off to get there!
There is no binary pulsar in frontier. Just as There Is No Black Hole.
Enexla (-1816,-1317) is a red giant star:
Enexla - Red giant star
Enexla B - Type 'M' red star
Mass: 71114.32 Earth masses
Surface temperature: 3000ºC
Orbital period: 41 days
Orbital radius: 0.220 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 5.2°
Enexla 1 - Very large gas giant
Mass: 3023.71 Earth masses
Surface temperature: 121ºC
Orbital period: 57.6 years
Orbital radius: 14.126 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 7.2°
Enexla 1a - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Mass: 0.08 Earth masses
Surface temperature: -56ºC
Orbital period: 30 days
Orbital radius: 0.040 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 0.8°
Enexla 1b - Barren rocky planetoid
Enexla 1c - Barren rocky planetoid
Enexla 2 - Brown dwarf substellar object
Enexla 2a - Barren rocky planetoid
Enexla 2b - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Enexla 2c - Small barren sphere of rock
Enexla 2d - Asteroidal body
Enexla C - Type 'M' red star
Enexla C3 - Small barren sphere of rock
Mass: 0.01 Earth masses
Surface temperature: -60ºC
Orbital period: 28 days
Orbital radius: 0.116 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 4.0°
Enexla C4 - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Mass: 0.21 Earth masses
Surface temperature: -153ºC
Orbital period: 504 days
Orbital radius: 0.793 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 6.5°
Enexla C5 - World with methane weather system and corrosive atmosphere
Mass: 0.60 Earth masses
Surface temperature: -163ºC
Orbital period: 11.2 years
Orbital radius: 3.204 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 0.0°
Enexla C6 - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Enexla C7 - World with methane weather system and corrosive atmosphere
Enexla 3 - Large gas giant
Enexla 3a - Asteroidal body
Enexla 4 - Brown dwarf substellar object
Enexla 4a - Small barren sphere of rock
Enexla 4b - World with methane weather system and corrosive atmosphere
Enexla 4c - World with methane weather system and corrosive atmosphere
Enexla 4d - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Enexla 4e - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Enexla 4f - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
Enexla 4g - Rocky planet with a thin atmosphere
A fox
at galactic central point. AFAIK, nobody's found it yet... but not for
wont of trying. That's how I found Enexla. If it does qualify as a
pulsar then it's long-period - hardly a milisecond jobbie. But
Enexla B orbits fully within the corona of its giant sibling - so in
real life would be cannibalising it. It's the closest thing i've
found to a black hole anyway.
FWIW I was only able to get there using the worm hole in the Amiga
version. Haven't tried any other ports.
Best wishes
S.
A fox
days is a loooong period pulsar, but does that disqualify it? A
definative pulsar would simply be a giant, a dwarf preferably within
its corona and a nippy orbit. Can your (very cool) proggy do a search
for very short period binaries?
Likewise, what if the black hole is listed as a dwarf... or not even
listed at all? Although I share your skepticism, it wouldn't be
cricket to brandish DB a brazen (& repeated) liar before exhausting all
possibilities.
Though having said that...
[jongware]
> I'm skeptical, but DB has stated repeatedly that there's a black hole
> at galactic central point. AFAIK, nobody's found it yet... but not for
> wont of trying. That's how I found Enexla. If it does qualify as a
> pulsar then it's long-period - hardly a milisecond jobbie. But
> Enexla B orbits fully within the corona of its giant sibling - so in
> real life would be cannibalising it. It's the closest thing i've
> found to a black hole anyway.
How did you decide to call this a pulsar? AFAIK there is no mention of
"pulsars" anywhere in the frontier universe. Anyway, the nearest contender
would be the Crab nebula one (not featured in the games).
Maybe you are confusing close binaries and true variable stars? They both
seem to change their output over time when viewed from over here.
In my other post I forgot to copy the data for Enexla and its companion
itself; here they are:
* Enexla - Red giant star
Mass: 284457.30 Earth masses
Surface temperature: 4000ºC
* Enexla B - Type 'M' red star
Mass: 71114.32 Earth masses
Surface temperature: 3000ºC
Orbital period: 41 days
Orbital radius: 0.220 A.U.
Orbit Ecc. and Incl.: 0.000, 5.2°
(the last values being guesswork)
..so yes, with a period of only 41 days and at a distance of just 80x
Earth-Moon it is, granted, *very* close.
> FWIW I was only able to get there using the worm hole in the Amiga
> version. Haven't tried any other ports.
2B honest my information doesn't come from any of the game versions. But,
until proven otherwise, I'm assuming my routines mimick FFE as seen on the
PC exactly.
[jongware]
Ahh--just reacted on yer previous mail.
To continue over here: if there is *no* pulsar tag and *no* black hole tag
and if there are no graphics for those and no messages -- and those "if"s
aren't "what if"s" but factoids, established by hacking the source into itsy
bitsy teenie weenie tiny bits -- then how would you know when you've found
it? The game crashes? <grin>
There might be a sunken continent in the Atlantic but if you don't get a
message saying "you've arrived at the sunken continent" then how would you
know?
There is a school of thought which claims there _is_ a black hole, but since
it doesn't appear on the galactic map you can't jump to it. In that case:
just point to *any* location, and state in a real deep voice: "It Is There."
A fox
given the procedural nature of the beast it's /just/ /possible/ that
somewhere in amongst all those yellow, red & orange dots there's a
little black dot... For me this particular X-file's still open.
Dylan Smith
> I'm skeptical, but DB has stated repeatedly that there's a black hole
> at galactic central point.
DB is having everybody on. There is no black hole. DB having a jolly
jape does not make something true!
> wont of trying. That's how I found Enexla. If it does qualify as a
> pulsar then it's long-period - hardly a milisecond jobbie. But
> Enexla B orbits fully within the corona of its giant sibling - so in
> real life would be cannibalising it. It's the closest thing i've
> found to a black hole anyway.
But it is NOT a pulsar. A pulsar is (from Wikipedia):
"Pulsars are rotating neutron stars that are observable as sources of
electromagnetic radiation."
A red giant is NOT a pulsar, regardless of where its companion star is.
A red giant is NOT a neutron star. There are no neutron stars in
Frontier or FFE (the closest thing is a white dwarf). Therefore there
are no pulsars in Frontier or FFE. Enexla is not a neutron star
therefore it cannot be a pulsar.
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[Jongware]
There you go: in this dot colour list there are entries for yellow, red,
orange, white and blue. But no black.
In real life, the fact that you can't find something does not prove it
doesn't exist (car keys, for example), but Frontier doesn't come THAT close
to simulating the real universe.
[jw]
Simon Challands
"A fox" <Anim...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> You seem to be assuming there'll be a "pulsar" tag. Admittedly, 41
> days is a loooong period pulsar, but does that disqualify it? A
> definative pulsar would simply be a giant, a dwarf preferably within
> its corona and a nippy orbit. Can your (very cool) proggy do a search
> for very short period binaries?
Why would that make it a pulsar? AFAIK there are no pulsars known in
such a formation.
--
Simon Challands
Esse
So sad you can't move between stars without hyperspace.. :(
Interstellar travel without hyperspace would be the answer to survive
mis-jumps (or to "why I've bought a Lifter?" ;) )
What about my second question, the hyperspace exit hack? I try to hack FFE
during runtime with Winhack, but i've only obtained to corrupt the
graphics.. 0_o
For once in my space career, i would like to emerge from hyperspace few Km
from a space station, or thousands of Km from a planet.. Is this possible?
"Esse" <n...@nono.no> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Stephen Patterson
> Thank you for all replies..
> So sad you can't move between stars without hyperspace.. :(
> Interstellar travel without hyperspace would be the answer to survive
> mis-jumps (or to "why I've bought a Lifter?" ;) )
Misjumps are easy to avoid, just keep your drive serviced.
--
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"Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door."
John Jordan
>
> What about my second question, the hyperspace exit hack?
There's no mechanism within the game to hyperspace anywhere but a random
location within the system plane, 10AU from the "centre" of the system.
In some systems (eg. Alioth) it's possible to hyperspace within 1AU of
the planet by chance.
It'd be straightforward to modify the code to occasionally put you
closer to a planet, although you'd need to understand fixed-point vector
methods.
--
John Jordan
A fox
describing these as pulsars, though it was some years ago. Maybe it
was talking about GRBs or somethng else entirely... IIRC, it was in
New Scientist around '95, and described a neutron star cannibalising a
giant companion, in such a way that the two repeatedly swap the same
mass - the neutron sucks the giant's plasma into its own acretion disc,
until it becomes a giant & the remnant sibling collapses, then the
process reverses again until eventually they coalesce. Enexla b is
inside another star, which is why I thought it qualified.
Maybe there's a less-ambiguous candidate out there with two or more
short-period dwarves... admittedly that'd be a lot cooler.
[jongware]
> I'm no astrophysicist, but thought I remembered reading an article
> describing these as pulsars, though it was some years ago. Maybe it
> was talking about GRBs or somethng else entirely... IIRC, it was in
> New Scientist around '95, and described a neutron star cannibalising a
> giant companion, in such a way that the two repeatedly swap the same
> mass - the neutron sucks the giant's plasma into its own acretion disc,
> until it becomes a giant & the remnant sibling collapses, then the
> process reverses again until eventually they coalesce. Enexla b is
> inside another star, which is why I thought it qualified.
Yeah -- I remember reading that too. I wuz really wondering if it was worth
some graphic demo, it would be an excellent animation!Isn't it called a
'nova type variable'? (Cuz' of the nova flares on each fillup?)
Flavien Brebion still hasn't released details of his procedural galaxy in
Infinity; maybe he'll accept requests! (And if he throws in real black holes
while he's at it we finally have something to look out for)
> Maybe there's a less-ambiguous candidate out there with two or more
> short-period dwarves... admittedly that'd be a lot cooler.
I'll take a look if I can find one fer you. But don't expect spectacular
graphics in FFE, if something special happens on the screen it will probably
be that of the graphics engine failing spectacularly.
[Jongware]
A fox
editor from Frontierverse today, thinking about hacking my GLfrontier
profile (I'm a stinking cheat), and the readme file contains the
following object sprite information (courtesy of George Hooplah):
8E no display
90 Planet - dk blue - blue atm
92 Planet - md blue - lt red atm
94 Planet - dk blue - green atm
96 Planet - dk blue - grey atm
98 Star - red - no aurora
9A Star - orange - yellow aurora
9C Star - orange - yellow aurora
9E Star - lt yellow - lt green aurora
A0 Star - yellow
A2 Star - white
A4 Star - blue
A6 Star - blue
A8 Star - orange
AA Star - orange
AC Star - blue
AE Ringed gas giant - blue
B0 not useful?
There's a few UFO's in the full list besides 8E & B0... so I wondered
if one of these might be a black-ish hole-ish type thing...? Can
anybods rule this out?
A fox
no Elite. Also Celestia does the same, but it's not even a game (still
very cool though).
Simon Challands
Stephen Patterson <st...@patter.mine.nu> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:31:05 +0100, Esse wrote:
> > Thank you for all replies..
> > So sad you can't move between stars without hyperspace.. :(
> > Interstellar travel without hyperspace would be the answer to survive
> > mis-jumps (or to "why I've bought a Lifter?" ;) )
>
> Misjumps are easy to avoid, just keep your drive serviced.
That minimises them, but doesn't prevent them (which IMO is a serious
gameplay flaw). You can get a misjump on your first ever hyperspace
jump.
--
Simon Challands
Simon Challands
"A fox" <Anim...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm no astrophysicist, but thought I remembered reading an article
> describing these as pulsars, though it was some years ago. Maybe it
> was talking about GRBs or somethng else entirely... IIRC, it was in
> New Scientist around '95, and described a neutron star cannibalising a
> giant companion, in such a way that the two repeatedly swap the same
> mass - the neutron sucks the giant's plasma into its own acretion disc,
> until it becomes a giant & the remnant sibling collapses, then the
> process reverses again until eventually they coalesce. Enexla b is
> inside another star, which is why I thought it qualified.
You can get mass transfer from a giant to a white dwarf in close orbit,
and eventually that extra mass on the white dwarf will result in the
white dwarf going supernova (type Ia supernovae IIRC). Ordinary novae
are broadly similar phenomena, in that mass transfer to a white dwarf
is involved, but without the star being destroyed, so are probably
regularly occuring long-term happenings. Neither is a pulsar.
All this is IIRC, and although I've a degree in this subject it was a
scraped through third, due to being a lazy bastard, so barely qualifies
as knowing any more than anyone else here.
--
Simon Challands
Angus Manwaring
>Esse wrote:
>>
>> What about my second question, the hyperspace exit hack?
>There's no mechanism within the game to hyperspace anywhere but a random
>location within the system plane, 10AU from the "centre" of the system.
>In some systems (eg. Alioth) it's possible to hyperspace within 1AU of
>the planet by chance.
Isn't it Alpha Proxima where your Hyperspace entrance point is "some little
way" from the station? :)
All the best,
Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM)
I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga
Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
Brian Wakeling
723.296T2953T6466732angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk,
Angus Manwaring uttered thus:
> On 10-Mar-06 21:32:10, John Jordan said
>> Esse wrote:
>>>
>>> What about my second question, the hyperspace exit hack?
>
>> There's no mechanism within the game to hyperspace anywhere but a
>> random location within the system plane, 10AU from the "centre" of
>> the system. In some systems (eg. Alioth) it's possible to
>> hyperspace within 1AU of the planet by chance.
>
> Isn't it Alpha Proxima where your Hyperspace entrance point is
> "some little way" from the station? :)
>
I don't know about Alpha Proxima (Alpha Centauri, OTOH, you arrive 900
AUs from the station in ordibt around Proxima Centauri), but
occasionally at Arcturus yo can arrive with a couple of AUs of a
starport.
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>In a speech called
>723.296T2953T6466732angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk,
>Angus Manwaring uttered thus:
>> On 10-Mar-06 21:32:10, John Jordan said
>>> Esse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What about my second question, the hyperspace exit hack?
>>
>>> There's no mechanism within the game to hyperspace anywhere but a
>>> random location within the system plane, 10AU from the "centre" of
>>> the system. In some systems (eg. Alioth) it's possible to
>>> hyperspace within 1AU of the planet by chance.
>>
>> Isn't it Alpha Proxima where your Hyperspace entrance point is
>> "some little way" from the station? :)
>>
>I don't know about Alpha Proxima (Alpha Centauri, OTOH, you arrive 900
>AUs from the station in ordibt around Proxima Centauri), but
>occasionally at Arcturus yo can arrive with a couple of AUs of a
>starport.
Thanks Brian, I think that's what I was misremembering.