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Re: Duke Leto

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:41:04 UT

"Jessica says because she'd rather him make the decision of his own
violation. Leto doesn't marry her to keep himself open to alliances
with other houses (even though he wouldn't really marry anyone). Leto
was also conditioned by his father to never marry for love, only for
power."
Is that why Jessica hated Leto's father?

Re: Duke Leto

sto...@arrakeen.com (Stoned in Arrakeen) — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:37:49 UT

Bing accused poor old Leto of Onanism on 10/12/2009 03:01:
That's so true, Bingso. It's the decision of every man, whether here and
now or in the Dune Imperium to initiate and maintain a thorough
masturbation regime, and nothing to do with The Women. They can jolly
well mind their own businesses, if you ask me.

Re: Castles in Space

sto...@arrakeen.com (Stoned in Arrakeen) — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:31:20 UT

Bottu Guy (spank me!) said on 10/12/2009 12:44:
It's probably the sounds. Guns that fire explosive bullets usually make
boring banging noises that make everything sound like some awful, old
John Wayne movie and make everyone duck and generally get depressed,
while rayguns make cool sci-fi kinda sounds and produce lots of flashing

Re: Castles in Space

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:33:31 UT

I think it's likely that Castles became popular among the elite after the
completion of the Butlerian Jihad.
Okay, let me ask you this. What use is a shield if someone can shoot you with a
lasgun and create an atomic explosion?

Re: Castles in Space

gbo...@vub.ac.be (Bottu Guy) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:44:28 UT

Besides the Helmholtz shields there is also the Butlerian Jihad, which had
multipurpose robots/computers entirely outlowed and most high tech devices
only available to the elite, the rest of society living basically in
pre-industrial conditions. These are the two devices FH used to make
possible a fictional universe that combines the old (hand-to-hand combat,

Re: Duke Leto

ghost...@gmail.com (Bing) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:01:04 UT

Jessica says because she'd rather him make the decision of his own
violation. Leto doesn't marry her to keep himself open to alliances
with other houses (even though he wouldn't really marry anyone). Leto
was also conditioned by his father to never marry for love, only for
power.

Re: Duke Leto

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:48:44 UT

"jerk-o" <jer...@yomomma.org> wrote
Why didn't Jessica make him marry her?

Re: Duke Leto

jer...@yomomma.org (jerk-o) — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:33:00 UT

After going to <[link]> on Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:31:11 -0500,
"Tony" <t...@hotmail.com> wrote
I think it had something to do with him still being eligible to marry somebody
from one of the other great houses.

Re: Duke Leto

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:39:41 UT

And not just Frank. Kevin also agrees. ;-)

Re: Duke Leto

exta...@gmail.com (Giovanni Wassen) — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:10:50 UT

Tony wrote:
Because Frank said so. It's in the first book.

Re: Castles in Space

giaot...@hotmail.com (Juho Julkunen) — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:33:19 UT

In article <dfSdnVp2qvKDRYPWnZ2dnUVZ_tqdn ...@giganews.com>, Tony
(t...@hotmail.com) says...
Light sabers are not an essential factor in society's power structre.
Though arguably the Jedi tried to make them so in episode III.
Palpatine's Empire is a despotism, not a feudal system. The Old
Republic is a republic, not a feudal society.

Duke Leto

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:31:11 UT

Why did Duke Leto refuse to marry Jessica, even after she became pregnant with
Paul?

Re: Castles in Space

t...@hotmail.com (Tony) — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:50:12 UT

But don't the Jedi represent a culture?
They're both feudal cultures.
I'm not sure what you mean here. It's true that Star Wars doesn't feature lower
classes. However, there's more to the human condition than class distinctions.

Re: Castles in Space

rav...@gmail.com (Raveem) — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:12:13 UT

One is about weapons. The other about people and society.
And charcoal is carbon too, just like diamond.
No. It can't.
Raveem.

Re: Castles in Space

jl...@comcast.net (Freakzilla) — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:06:34 UT

Um... there's an emperor and a princess in Dune, too.