Problems with dune so far
Go...@love.me
am a huge Dune fan and I must say I was really forward to someone
doing Dune right. For those of you who don't already know, David Lynch
was so upset after what the studio did to his version of Dune, he took
his name off of it. You will see the movie is now directed by a "Alan
Smithee", which is a hollywood name directors use when they don't want
their names on a film. Hollywood decided it would be best to cut his
4 hour version into 2 hours because they could show it more often in
the theatre and that equaled more movie ticket sales per day. Of
course, the four hour version was on tv and it was much better, but it
still could have used another 2 hours.
Ok, now for this TV show. Can someone answer me any of these
questions:
1) When Paul is told to put his hand in the box, in the very
beginning, did the tv version ever explain why he was doing this?
2) Why doesn't Paul scream out in pain, as he did in the movie and as
it says in the book, to break the trance of the Bene Gesseritt mother?
How does she break her trance without a distraction?
3) When Paul and Gurney are done fighting, Paul says, "I guess I'm not
in the mood" then Gurney says "Mood is thing for cattle or love play,
not fighting!" and then Paul drops his sheild belt and walks out of
the room. This makes no sense. In the book, and in the movie, Gurney
tells paul it's time to practice fighting, Paul says he is not in the
mood, Gurney says "mood is a thing for cattle or love play, not
fighting! defend yourself!" and attacks Paul. Paul gets in the mood
real quick! See, there was a point made that is not made in the tv
version.
4) Paul and his father are looking out of the window of the Arrakis
castle, talking to each other with no background noise. When their
conversation is over, background noise fades in, and directly behind
and below them in the huge open entrance of the castle, are tons of
people, which, apparently had been there the whole time?
5) When Princess Irulan goes to drink the last of the Spice beer and
Paul warns her "It might go to your head", she drinks what remains in
the glass. But the noise which was dubbed in should have been "gulp,
gulp" but instead it was "slurp, slurp" like the sound of someone
slowly sucking a liquid between their lips.
6) Towards the end of episode 1, Paul is running in the desert with a
female away from something. Not sure what it is because I haven't made
it that far into the movie yet. But it's just before the end of the
first episode. It looks like they are moving their legs up and down
while the background changes behind them. Similar to an effect you
might see on 'live' television. Instead of their legs moving in front
of them, as they should when they run, they appear to be running in
place in front of a 'blue screen'.
7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie. Those names are
pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
pronounciation of the characters names?
8) The Mentats! Where are the bushy eye-brows and red stained lips?
Was this going to cost too much in the make-up department???
9) Where is Dr. Yueh? I'm an hour and a half into the first episode,
and this time should be spent establishing who he is, how long he has
been with the family, his loyalty, etc... so when he kills the Duke,
we're shocked. Since we've gotten to know him and like him, we feel
torn at his situation and why he does what he does. But the movie
hasn't even shown him yet, so far as I can tell.
10) Paul apparantly tells his mother that the Duke is dead. Once
again, in the movie and in the book, it's Pauls mother who tells Paul.
Why are they changing these small, yet critical things?
It's been a few years since I read all the books, but some of this
stuff is critical! I can't imagine how many more serious scenes were
left out if I went back and read the book again. They are doing a
better job with the graphics as far as the worms go, and they are
doing a better job at detailing the story-telling as far as the
politics are concerned.
Well, any Dune movie, like any Star Wars movie, is better than none.
But I'm not impressed so far. For the money they spent, I expected
better...Unless all the budget was used on advertising.
Winston Smith
this post, Mr. Smithee. You'd better put on your teflon vest, I think
you're about to get flamed . . .
- Winston Smith
P. S. I've been pretty harsh on this production, but Irulan slurping is a
critical error? Give me a break. Is this a joke post?
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Eva Lee
Winston Smith <win...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I think you should check your facts, you've got quite a few wrong ones in
> this post, Mr. Smithee. You'd better put on your teflon vest, I think
> you're about to get flamed . . .
>
> - Winston Smith
>
> P. S. I've been pretty harsh on this production, but Irulan slurping is a
> critical error? Give me a break. Is this a joke post?
Well, perhaps, but considering she's royalty, it seems unlikely that
drinking a cup'a'something would be done in a slurpish manner. Just as much
as Chow Yun Phat in Anna and the King should have a straight back because a
man of his stature (leader of his country), should shine confidence. It's
like as if the guy doesn't have a backbone...just as much as Irulan
shouldn't slurp given that she's the Princess of the Known Universe...?
Still, however, I don't think is an important point.
> <Go...@love.me> wrote in message
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> > 7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
> > closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie. Those names are
> > pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
> > pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
> > pronounciation of the characters names?
Aiya, many many posters have asked this and again, many many other posters
have pointed out that the way they pronounced the names in the miniseries
are exactly the way FH pronounced'em. Like Chani is Chaynee (?), Harkonnen
is Harkanin, etc...
> > 10) Paul apparantly tells his mother that the Duke is dead. Once
> > again, in the movie and in the book, it's Pauls mother who tells Paul.
> > Why are they changing these small, yet critical things?
Ace edition of Dune, p. 192, ' "Mother," he said. "Yes?" She heard the
change in his voice, felt oldness in her entrails at the sound. Never had
she heard such harsh control. "My father is dead," he said. She searched
within herself for the coupling of fact and fact and fact - the Bene
Gesserit way of assessing data - and it came to her: the sensation of
terrifying loss.
But I think she might have known in the back of her mind that Leto was
dead...furthermore, they'd read Yueh's message (Ace edition of Dune, p. 188)
that says, "By the time you read this, Duke Leto will be dead".
Eva
Chris Mears
[Disclaimer: I haven't seen the miniseries.]
>2) Why doesn't Paul scream out in pain, as he did in the movie and as
>it says in the book, to break the trance of the Bene Gesseritt mother?
>How does she break her trance without a distraction?
What? What screaming? What trance?
>7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
>closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie. Those names are
>pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
>pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
>pronounciation of the characters names?
Are you *sure*? Many of Herbert's pronunciations would be considered
counter-intuitive.
>8) The Mentats! Where are the bushy eye-brows and red stained lips?
>Was this going to cost too much in the make-up department???
The bushy eyebrows were Lynch's creations.
>10) Paul apparantly tells his mother that the Duke is dead. Once
>again, in the movie and in the book, it's Pauls mother who tells Paul.
>Why are they changing these small, yet critical things?
Why are you making things up?
== quoth ==
"Mother," he said.
"Yes?"
She heard the change in his voice, felt coldness in her entrails
at the sound. Never had she heard such harsh control.
"My father is dead," he said.
== quoth ==
>It's been a few years since I read all the books, but some of this
>stuff is critical!
It certainly has.
--
All's well that ends.
Eva Lee
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> "Go...@love.me" <Go...@love.me> wrote:
> == quoth ==
> "Mother," he said.
> "Yes?"
> She heard the change in his voice, felt coldness in her entrails
> at the sound. Never had she heard such harsh control.
> "My father is dead," he said.
> == quoth ==
We came up with the same quote =P Coolness?
Eva
Chris Mears
Hardly surprising, given we're reading the same book. :)
There's also this, from Yueh's note to Paul and Jessica:
"By the time you read this, Duke Leto will be dead. Take consolation
from my assurance that he did not die alone, that one we hate above
all others died with him."
Dr. Benway
> am a huge Dune fan and I must say I was really forward to someone
> doing Dune right. For those of you who don't already know, David Lynch
> was so upset after what the studio did to his version of Dune, he took
> his name off of it. You will see the movie is now directed by a "Alan
> Smithee", which is a hollywood name directors use when they don't want
> their names on a film. Hollywood decided it would be best to cut his
> 4 hour version into 2 hours because they could show it more often in
> the theatre and that equaled more movie ticket sales per day. Of
> course, the four hour version was on tv and it was much better, but it
> still could have used another 2 hours.
I think you mean the "extended" variant of Dune was the Alan Smithee (also
credited to Judas Booth) version. The two-hour theatrical cut was the
version Lynch signed off on. The four-hour extended 12-inch club version is
the child Lynch disowns.
Know the disowned movie by the cheesy illustrated introduction with
voiceover (rather than the introduction with Virginia Madsen).
MRP
wrote:
>7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
>closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie.
Correction Herbert oversaw Lynch's adaptation/interpretation of his
novel.
>Those names are
>pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
>pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
>pronounciation of the characters names?
Track down a book reading done by Herbert himself, you'll find that
Herbert pronounces Harkonnen the same way as the series did.
Lancer
clearly. you wanna make sure your facts are right before you start writing a
post like this.
Lynch took his name off the film after it was edited into the TV version.
the original rough cut was four hours which he himself cut down to 2 and a
bit which is the version on DVD and video. it was then edited into an
extended TV version and lynch removed his names from the credits at that
point.
as to the rest I won't bother pointing out the errors. you wanna check them
yourself.
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Mingis
genuine post. Here are some answers to your questions.
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> Ok, I have managed to choke down the first 90 minutes of episode 1. I
..(edited)
> still could have used another 2 hours.
Though your facts are a little off, you do have the gist of things. Lynch
did remove his name from a version. Does it really matter which one? The
point remains the same whether he disassociated himself from the 4 or 2 hour
version. He was dissatisfied with what was done to it.
> 1) When Paul is told to put his hand in the box, in the very
> beginning, did the tv version ever explain why he was doing this?
No. Not in the slightest. At this point in the book, which is page 7 in my
well-worn paperback edition, we have already been given a brief introduction
into the tripod of poltics, and been shown Paul's remarkable self control
for a 15 year old boy (remember the "focused consciousness" paragraph
anyone?).
> 2) Why doesn't Paul scream out in pain, as he did in the movie and as
> it says in the book, to break the trance of the Bene Gesseritt mother?
> How does she break her trance without a distraction?
There wasn't any indicated screaming in the book, as has been pointed out in
a less cordial manner by some other posters. It seems to me, though, that
this question of yours indicates you feel a certain intensity was missing
from the scene. If that is the case, I agree with you. I watched this with
two people who'd never read Dune (and will probably never read it thanks to
this debacle they call a miniseries), and neither of them understood the
purpose of the scene. It was almost a throw away. There was no explanation
of what a gom jabbar is ("we sift people to find humans"), no explanation of
the purpose of the box test ("our test is crisis and observation"), no
mention of the Butlerian Jihad (which really sets the tone for the entire
story, as it is the defining influence in modern Dune society), and no
explanation of the Kwisatz Haderach ("the one who can be many places at
once").
>
> 3) When Paul and Gurney are done fighting, Paul says, "I guess I'm not
> in the mood" then Gurney says "Mood is thing for cattle or love play,
> not fighting!" and then Paul drops his sheild belt and walks out of
> the room. This makes no sense. In the book, and in the movie, Gurney
> tells paul it's time to practice fighting, Paul says he is not in the
> mood, Gurney says "mood is a thing for cattle or love play, not
> fighting! defend yourself!" and attacks Paul. Paul gets in the mood
> real quick! See, there was a point made that is not made in the tv
> version.
Though you're confusing the wording slightly with the Lynch film, you do
have the sequence of events right. Once Paul and Gurney begin fighting in
earnest, Paul for a moment doubts the loyalty of Gurney ("He's not faking
this! ... Is this betrayal?"). Afterward, Gurney expresses the import of
this move to Arrakis, that this not play but real danger. I suppose this
play of events isn't essential to the telling of the storyline, but making
the alterations as shown in the miniseries neither added the original flavor
of the scene nor added anything to the storyline. It just served to irritate
die-hards.
>
> 4) Paul and his father are looking out of the window of the Arrakis
> castle, talking to each other with no background noise. When their
> conversation is over, background noise fades in, and directly behind
> and below them in the huge open entrance of the castle, are tons of
> people, which, apparently had been there the whole time?
Can't recall this point, to be honest. But it sounds like a simple matter to
me. You wouldn't be able to hear a conversation with screaming hoards.
Technically it would've been better to have the sound be consistent
throughout the scene, i.e. fade it during conversation and bring the level
up afterward, but I've only worked with sound people on a dozen or so films
so what do I know. Technically (imho) they should have scrapped this whole
thing after they read the screenplay.
>
> 5) When Princess Irulan goes to drink the last of the Spice beer and
> Paul warns her "It might go to your head", she drinks what remains in
> the glass. But the noise which was dubbed in should have been "gulp,
> gulp" but instead it was "slurp, slurp" like the sound of someone
> slowly sucking a liquid between their lips.
Someone else brought up this point, that a Princess shouldn't slurp. I
agree, but I also think this is a minor point compared to other glaring
errors and inconsistencies. I'd rather Irulan slurp like no one has ever
slurped than have her appear where she didn't exist, or change her
personality completely.
> 6) Towards the end of episode 1, Paul is running in the desert with a
> female away from something. Not sure what it is because I haven't made
> it that far into the movie yet. But it's just before the end of the
> first episode. It looks like they are moving their legs up and down
> while the background changes behind them. Similar to an effect you
> might see on 'live' television. Instead of their legs moving in front
> of them, as they should when they run, they appear to be running in
> place in front of a 'blue screen'.
Yes! This scene was absolutely hideous. After seeing the whole thing, I
think this was the worst fx job they'd done. And that says a lot,
considering the backdrops that look like backdrops.
>
> 7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
> closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie. Those names are
> pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
> pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
> pronounciation of the characters names?
As I've never heard the audio book read by FH, I can't say what his
prononciations were. Also, I saw the Lynch film before I read the book (but
I've read it many, many times since), so the Lynch prononciations seemed
right to me.
>
> 8) The Mentats! Where are the bushy eye-brows and red stained lips?
> Was this going to cost too much in the make-up department???
True, the bushy eyebrows were a Lynch imagining. I believe there was a
reference to stained lips where Thufir was concerned but I can't find it at
the moment. The mentats, however, seemed to have little difference between
the, and certainly no personality.
Piter: a slender, short man with an effeminite face; the eyes, the shaded
slits of blue within blue, the eyes without any white in them at all.
Thufir: grizzled old man, eyes two pools of alertness in a dark and deeply
seamed face; his sapho-stained lips. The miniseries versions? A couple of
middle aged guys with funny hats. Hardly a fair trade off.
> 9) Where is Dr. Yueh? I'm an hour and a half into the first episode,
> and this time should be spent establishing who he is, how long he has
> been with the family, his loyalty, etc... so when he kills the Duke,
> we're shocked. Since we've gotten to know him and like him, we feel
> torn at his situation and why he does what he does. But the movie
> hasn't even shown him yet, so far as I can tell.
He's in there... remember in the first minutes, the holoprojection giving
Paul instruction? That was Yueh. His character was also glossed over,
therefore giving his betrayal of the Duke little meaning beyond the obvious
one. His physical description was also overlooked ("the man's stick
figure... square block of a head with purple lips and drooping mustache, the
diamond tattoo of Imperial Conditioning on his forehead, the long black hair
caught in the Suk School's silver ring at the left shoulder"). And then he's
dead. I guess they figured he wasn't really important as he didn't last to
the end of the book.
> 10) Paul apparantly tells his mother that the Duke is dead. Once
> again, in the movie and in the book, it's Pauls mother who tells Paul.
> Why are they changing these small, yet critical things?
It was the other way around, Paul told Jessica. For me, this scene in the
book showed that Jessica was beginning to see what her son might be. He knew
a thing she did not immediately, and she had to search within herself to
verify it's truthfulness. His knowing was mystical. I did not get that
feeling from the miniseries scene, even though they got it technically
correct.
> It's been a few years since I read all the books, but some of this
> stuff is critical! I can't imagine how many more serious scenes were
> left out if I went back and read the book again.
Considering you hadn't read the books in a while, I think you did pretty
well. Better, in fact, than some people who've claimed to have read it
recently. You are not only entitled to your disappointment, but imho, you're
fully justified, even if some of your facts are a bit off.
Sean
<sunshi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Winston Smith <win...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> I think you should check your facts, you've got quite a few wrong ones in
>> this post, Mr. Smithee. You'd better put on your teflon vest, I think
>> you're about to get flamed . . .
>>
>> - Winston Smith
>>
>> P. S. I've been pretty harsh on this production, but Irulan slurping is a
>> critical error? Give me a break. Is this a joke post?
>
>Well, perhaps, but considering she's royalty, it seems unlikely that
>drinking a cup'a'something would be done in a slurpish manner. Just as much
>as Chow Yun Phat in Anna and the King should have a straight back because a
>man of his stature (leader of his country), should shine confidence. It's
>like as if the guy doesn't have a backbone...just as much as Irulan
>shouldn't slurp given that she's the Princess of the Known Universe...?
>Still, however, I don't think is an important point.
>
Yes, but when you look at how much what is considered proper manners has
changed over the past 2 thousand years, let alone the far more than ten
that Dune is in the future, and it isn't far fetched to conclude that it
could even be considered rude not to slurp by then.
Go...@love.me
read?
Paul screams in pain when his hand is in the box. This startles the
bene gesserit mother, and then she realizes she has had him in pain
far longer than any other person has ever been 'tested'.
The names are pronounced incorrectly. Watch the making of David Lynchs
dune, and Frank Herbert is right there on the set and telling the
camera that 'this is the Dune the way it's suppose to be'
On the last point, (about paul's mother telling him leto was dead) I
was wrong. I remembered it incorrectly.
Carey
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:54:15 +1100, Chris Mears <cme...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>"Go...@love.me" <Go...@love.me> wrote:
>
>[Disclaimer: I haven't seen the miniseries.]
>
>>2) Why doesn't Paul scream out in pain, as he did in the movie and as
>>it says in the book, to break the trance of the Bene Gesseritt mother?
>>How does she break her trance without a distraction?
>
>What? What screaming? What trance?
>
>>7) The names are all mis-pronounced. Frank Herbert worked very
>>closely with David Lynch on the Dune movie. Those names are
>>pronounced in the Dune movie the way Frank Herbert wanted them to be
>>pronounced. Where does this director get off changing the
>>pronounciation of the characters names?
>
>Are you *sure*? Many of Herbert's pronunciations would be considered
>counter-intuitive.
>
>>8) The Mentats! Where are the bushy eye-brows and red stained lips?
>>Was this going to cost too much in the make-up department???
>
>The bushy eyebrows were Lynch's creations.
>
>>10) Paul apparantly tells his mother that the Duke is dead. Once
>>again, in the movie and in the book, it's Pauls mother who tells Paul.
>>Why are they changing these small, yet critical things?
>
>Why are you making things up?
>
>== quoth ==
> "Mother," he said.
> "Yes?"
> She heard the change in his voice, felt coldness in her entrails
>at the sound. Never had she heard such harsh control.
> "My father is dead," he said.
>== quoth ==
>
>>It's been a few years since I read all the books, but some of this
>>stuff is critical!
>
>It certainly has.
Go...@love.me
read the books again. I think the David Lynch film threw me off
because I could swear that Baron Harkonnen was exactly the way I
pictured him in David Lynch's Dune, from reading the books, yet
people are complaining about that.
People are also complaining about the weirding way, and that the
sound-guns are a David Lynch invention. I could swear I read in the
book that Paul taught the Freman how to use thier voice, and they held
some kind of device, that amplified their voice and sent off the
resulting sound waves as a form of projectile weapon.
So I don't understand why people say Lynch made that up, but since I
read the book when I was about 15-16, saw the movie when I was 17-18,
I haven't touched it since and I'm 32 now.
I bought all the books in hard back, but to be quite honest, after the
third book, which if memory recalls, was Children of Dune, none of the
other books (God Emporer of Dune, Heretics of Dune and ChapterHouse
Dune) made any sense to me. Especially Chapter House Dune.
However, I purchased all the books in hard back and Frank Herbert was
doing a bunch of local tv shows around our nation promoting it, and I
got to meet him outside of the studio and talk to him, shake his and
have him autograph the last Dune book he authored. I scanned it, and
attached it to this message.
Check it out!
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:42:30 GMT, "Mingis" <min...@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
Eva Lee
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I agree with the fact that anything could have changed through millennias,
however, could we then say the same thing with regards to just about
anything in Dune? Not just "proper manners", but everything, simply because
it's in the future? One of the things that makes Dune good (in my eyes) is
the fact that I can relate to it, *despite* the fact that it's tenthousands
of years ahead of us.
Eva
Eva Lee
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> The Mentats were suppose to have bushy eyebrows. What book did you
> read?
>
> Paul screams in pain when his hand is in the box. This startles the
> bene gesserit mother, and then she realizes she has had him in pain
> far longer than any other person has ever been 'tested'.
You're asking for the loooooooooooong way then.....Ace ed., pp. 9-10:
---QUOTE---
"It burns," he whispered.
"Silence!"
Pain throbbed up his arm. Sweat stood out on his forehead. Every fiber cried
out do withdraw the hand from that burning pit...but...the gom jabbar.
Without turning his head, he tried to move his eyes to see that terrible
needle poised beside his neck. he sensed that he was breathing in gasps,
tried to slow his breaths and couldn't.
Pain!
His world emptied of everything except that hand immersed in agony, the
ancient face inches away staring at him.
His lips were so dry he had difficulty separating them.
The burning! The burning!
He thought he could feel skin curling black on that agonized hand, the flesh
crisping and dropping away until only charred bones remained.
It stopped!
As though a switch had been turned off, the pain stopped.
---END QUOTE---
He was screaming "pain" in his mind!
Eva
Go...@love.me
that in.
Eva Lee
> Ah ok! That would explain it. Thank you for taking the time to type
> that in.
I make *so* many mistakes myself cause I have such a bad memory...like a big
bucket...with a hole at the bottom =)
Eva
Chris Mears
>The Mentats were suppose to have bushy eyebrows. What book did you
>read?
Quote, please? I'm not challenging you; it's just that I looked but
couldn't find one.
>The names are pronounced incorrectly. Watch the making of David Lynchs
>dune, and Frank Herbert is right there on the set and telling the
>camera that 'this is the Dune the way it's suppose to be'
We can't argue this without mentioning specific names and
pronunciations. However, I suggest you listen to Frank Herbert's
readings of Dune (if you can find them) and make sure you're right
when you say you're right.
Chris Mears
>However, I purchased all the books in hard back and Frank Herbert was
>doing a bunch of local tv shows around our nation promoting it, and I
>got to meet him outside of the studio and talk to him, shake his and
>have him autograph the last Dune book he authored. I scanned it, and
>attached it to this message.
This is not a binaries group. Please do not post binaries here.
Go...@love.me
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:15:53 +1100, Chris Mears <cme...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>"Go...@love.me" <Go...@love.me> wrote:
Chris Mears
>Get over it.
And to think I almost saw a glimmer of intelligence in there. It's
not the first time I've been wrong, I guess.
*plonk*
Mengmeng Zhang
What part of "Don't post binaries to a non-binaries group" don't you
understand??? Binaries in text groups is just slightly less annoying than spam.
In many cases it's even worse.
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Mengmeng Zhang
>>Get over it.
> And to think I almost saw a glimmer of intelligence in there. It's
> not the first time I've been wrong, I guess.
> *plonk*
I doubt he even knows what that means. I think I'll *plonk* him too.
ArsenicMan
news:udg83tkn6jpac8kuc...@4ax.com...
> Get over it.
Excuse me, sir, but have you read the FAQ for the newsgroup? It is by
general consensus that the guidelines there will be followed - including no
posting of binaries.
ArsenicMan
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It's our last best hope for peace? We're *so* screwed.
Samuel Sands
Mengmeng Zhang wrote:
> Go...@love.me <Go...@love.me> wrote:
> > Get over it.
>
> What part of "Don't post binaries to a non-binaries group" don't you
> understand??? Binaries in text groups is just slightly less annoying than spam.
> In many cases it's even worse.
Fortunately, my ISP automatically strips binary posts to non biniary groups.
Kind of like having a doorman to keep out the riff-raff. :^)
Sam (Butler in my Jihad) sands
ArsenicMan
news:36YY5.70389$IP1.2...@news1.giganews.com...
> Chris Mears <cme...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > "Go...@love.me" <Go...@love.me> wrote:
>
> >>Get over it.
>
> > And to think I almost saw a glimmer of intelligence in there. It's
> > not the first time I've been wrong, I guess.
>
> > *plonk*
>
> I doubt he even knows what that means. I think I'll *plonk* him too.
plonk, v. to hit or otherwise assault; see batter, whack, rectify mental
deficiencies
ArsenicMan
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It's our last best hope for peace? We're *so* screwed.
>
Chris Mears
>"Mengmeng Zhang" <meng...@io.com> wrote in message
>news:36YY5.70389$IP1.2...@news1.giganews.com...
>> Chris Mears <cme...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > "Go...@love.me" <Go...@love.me> wrote:
>>
>> >>Get over it.
>>
>> > And to think I almost saw a glimmer of intelligence in there. It's
>> > not the first time I've been wrong, I guess.
>>
>> > *plonk*
>>
>> I doubt he even knows what that means. I think I'll *plonk* him too.
>
>plonk, v. to hit or otherwise assault; see batter, whack, rectify mental
>deficiencies
Judging from this, I don't think you know what it means either. :)
plonk excl.,vt.
[Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap
booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit.
equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he
falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the
newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written "*plonk*") is
now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule.
Mengmeng Zhang
> Judging from this, I don't think you know what it means either. :)
> plonk excl.,vt.
> [Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap
> booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit.
> equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he
> falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the
> newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written "*plonk*") is
> now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule.
Ahh, the good ol' Jargon File! :) http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/ for those
interested.
ArsenicMan
Hmm... differing dictionaries give different definitions, I guess. Both
could very well be correct, but I'm pretty sure that yours is the one that
applies here.
ArsenicMan
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Stoned in Arrakeen
spammed:
>hi, I am shiv sharma, i think you should avoid all these tv shows,
>as they never contain any kind of reality with them, I j\have a better
>solution for you, just visit the given source, I am dam sure you'll get
>
Yo! Shiv! I j\have (?!) a better solution for you, too. Why don't you
take your silly, astrological crap and shove it back into the orifice
from whence it was originally ejected from? I am dam (!) sure this is
a fine solution and contains a kind of reality with them (eh?!). No
offence, etc.
Dr Raveem Ismail
We've discussed this before on this very forum:
http://goo.gl/lbSe2
Raveem.
tony
book are changed slightly. The addition of costumes, music, voices and
facial expressions can represent an interesting creation based the original
book. It can be as if one had a dream about Dune that was fascinating and
moving.
Stoned in Arrakeen
but I assume the cut I was talking about can still be found if you
look hard enough. Probably wouldn't want to, though. I think I gave
that version another couple of watches, but really the film is so
awful I've finally had my fill. Ugh!
Stoned in Arrakeen
a while'd:
Lynch (and everyone else involved) should have been beaten senseless
with sticks. I know some clouds have silver linings, and all, but not
this horrendous mess. Glad that you liked it, though. Heh!