January 2009 Dune FAQ Post
Tony
Last-modified: 09/03/2007
The alt.fan.dune FAQ
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1. Document information
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1.1 Table of Contents
1. Document information
1.1 Table of Contents
1.2 Recent changes
1.3 What is the purpose of this document?
1.4 Where can I get this document?
1.5 Who wrote this document?
2. Questions about alt.fan.dune
2.1 What is alt.fan.dune?
2.2 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune?
2.3 What is suggested netiquette for alt.fan.dune?
2.4 What special terminology is used on alt.fan.dune?
3. Questions about the Dune franchise
3.1 What is Dune?
3.2 Where can I find out more about Dune?
4. Questions about the Dune story
4.1 Which Dune adaptations are officially part of the story?
4.2 Is "The Dune Encyclopedia" canon?
4.3 What inconsistencies and errrors are there in the Dune books?
4.4 What are the origins of House Atreides?
4.5 Who are Marty and Daniel at the end of "Chapterhouse: Dune"?
4.6 Who is Scytale?
4.7 Why isn't Leto II called Leto III?
4.8 What is House Ordos?
4.9 What is the Litany Against Fear?
4.10 What is the Mentat Mantra?
5. Questions about written materials on Dune
5.1 What books are in the "Dune" series?
5.2 Are more "Dune" stories being written?
5.3 What other books about Dune have been published?
5.4 What other books has Frank Herbert written?
5.5 Have the books in the "Dune" series been serialised?
5.6 Have the books in the "Dune" series been translated?
5.7 Are there any differences between "Dune" series editions?
5.8 Are there any comics and illustrated books about Dune?
5.9 Can I get a signed copy of "The Dune Encyclopedia"?
6. Questions about the films
6.1 What is the movie "Dune"?
6.2 Is there more than one version of the movie?
6.3 How do I get each version of the movie?
6.4 What merchandise was produced in connection with the movie?
6.5 Has there been other attempts to film "Dune"?
6.6 What is the "Dune" TV series?
7. Questions about sound recordings relating to Dune
7.1 Are there any Dune-related music albums?
7.2 Has Dune inspired other music?
7.3 Are there any spoken word recordings of Dune works?
8. Questions about the games
8.1 What MU*s are there with a Dune theme?
8.2 How do I make these MU*s look right on my screen?
8.3 Are there any computer and video games about Dune?
8.4 Are there any board games about Dune?
8.5 Are there any collectible card games (CCGs/TCGs) about Dune?
8.6 Are there any role-playing games (RPGs) about Dune?
8.7 Are there any fan-created games about Dune?
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1.2 Recent changes
09/03/07: Dead links deleted, miscellaneous format changes
12/01/06: Added Section 5.6.15 and 7.2.1
Updated Section 1.4, 4.1, 4.3, 5.2, 5.3, 5.6, 6.3, 6.6, 7.1, 7.2 and
8.3
06/24/06: Updated Section 3.2, 8.6
06/20/01: Added Section 8.3.6, 7.1.2, 7.1.4
Updated Section 4.4, 5.4, 5.5.5, 5.6.1, 7.2, 8.3, 8.6, 8.7
03/10/01: Updated Section 5.3.2, 5.6.5 and 7.2
11/29/00: Updated Section 5.3.1, 5.3.2, 6.3, 6.6, 7.1.3 and 7.2
10/26/00: Added entries BBHKA, D:HH and TFO's to Section 2.4.1
Updated Section 5.2.2, 5.3.1, 5.7.1, 5.7.4, 7.2, 8.5, 8.6
Added Section 5.6.9, 8.3.4, 8.3.5
7/12/00: Updated Section 4.4
06/11/00: Added Section 4.7
04/04/00: Updated Section 5.3.1, 5.6, 5.7.2, 5.7.3, 8.6 and 8.7.
Added Section 5.7.4
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1.3 What is the purpose of this document?
This is the alt.fan.dune Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) file. Its
purpose is to introduce new members to the alt.fan.dune newsgroup, and
to answer common questions about "Dune" and alt.fan.dune.
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1.4 Where can I get this document?
The FAQ is posted monthly to alt.fan.dune.
Inquiries/suggestions/corrections can be posted to:
alt.fan.dune
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1.5 Who wrote this document?
Alan Schwartz created this FAQ, as well as the alt.fan.dune newsgroup.
Christian Gilmore later took over responsibility for the FAQ, and then
Gunnar Harboe. The current FAQ maintainer is Tony. Where entire passages have
been contributed by other persons, the relevant text is attributed to them.
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2. Questions about alt.fan.dune
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2.1 What is alt.fan.dune?
alt.fan.dune is a newsgroup for postings related to Frank Herbert's
"Dune" series or any of its adaptations, including but not limited to
the movie "Dune" and all Dune games. The group will provide a forum for
fans of Herbert's work to communicate.
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2.2 What is appropriate subject material for alt.fan.dune?
Discussion of anything related to Herbert's "Dune" series, or any of its
adaptations, is appropriate. Discussion of Frank Herbert or any of his
other work is permissible. Discussions about general MU* issues should
be directed to the rec.games.mud.* hierarchy, most likely
rec.games.mud.tiny. Discussions about strategy issues for the Westwood
games should when possible be directed to a general strategy games or
Westwood game newsgroup, possibly alt.games.dune-ii.virgin-games.
Binaries are not allowed in this newsgroup. Relevant binaries should be
posted to a proper alt.binaries newsgroup and a pointer to these
binaries should be posted to alt.fan.dune.
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2.3 What is suggested netiquette for alt.fan.dune?
HTML-format posts are discouraged on alt.fan.dune. Please use standard
text format for the convenience of all newsreaders.
If discussing with a person who apparently hasn't read past a certain
point in the series, please use <SPOILER> warnings when referring to
information given past that point. The same applies for plot points with
obvious suspense value, e.g. "Is Paul the Preacher?"
In your own best interest, try to keep posts clear and concise. Pay some
attention to spelling. Attempt to stay on-topic. Always be courteous and
polite. Never flame (deliberately offend), and don't respond to flames.
A poster who oversteps the bounds of tolerance may find him- or herself
"shunned" by the bulk of the newsgroup, which means that no posts by
that poster will be answered.
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2.4 What special terminology is used on alt.fan.dune?
Several shorthand abbreviations and acronyms are commonly used on
alt.fan.dune. Knowing these will make it very much easier to understand
posts to the newsgroup.
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2.4.1 alt.fan.dune local terms
These terms are unique to alt.fan.dune. A * after an entry indicates
that the name in question is a real person, not a character from the
"Dune" series.
afd: alt.fan.dune
AG: After Guild
AM: Ancestral (sometimes called Genetic) Memory
BG: Bene Gesserit (sometimes: Before Guild)
BBHKA: Before Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
BH: Brian Herbert*/Baron Harkonnen
BJ: Butlerian Jihad
BT: Bene Tleilax
CD/C:D/ChD/Ch:D: "Chapterhouse Dune"
CET: Commission of Ecumenical Translators
(Dune) Chronicles: FH's six Dune novels
CoD: "Children of Dune"
D: "Dune"
D:HA: "Dune: House Atreides"
D:HH: "Dune: House Harkonnen"
D2K: Dune 2000
DDL: Dino De Laurentiis (Corp.)*
DC: Dune Chronicles
DE: Dune Encyclopedia
DI: Duncan Idaho
DL: David Lynch*
DM: "Dune Messiah"
Dune buggy: A fan of Dune
Duniverse: The fictional universe of the "Dune" series
EoMF: Enemies of Many Faces (see also OoMF)
FD: Face Dancers (see also NFD, RNFD)
FH: Frank Herbert*
GE: God Emperor (Leto II)
GEoD: "God Emperor of Dune"
GHM: Gaius Helen Mohiam / Great Honoured Matre
GJ: Gom Jabbar
GN: Guild Navigator
GP: Golden Path
H: Harkonnen(s)
HA: House Atreides / "Dune: House Atreides"
HM: Honoured Matre(s)
HoD: "Heretics of Dune"
JS: John Schoenherr*
KH: Kwisatz Haderach
KJA: Kevin J. Anderson*
LttLH: "Listening to the Left Hand"
M&D: Marty and Daniel
MoS: Mark of Siona
MS: Mother Superior
NDR: No Dune References
NFD: "New" Face Dancers (see also FD, RNFD)
OC(B): Orange Catholic (Bible)
OE: Old Empire
OM: Other Memory
OoMF: Ones of Many Faces (see also EoMF)
RM: Reverend Mother (RMGHM: Rev. Mother GHM)
RNFD: (humorous) "Really New" Face Dancers (Marty and Daniel)
SA: Spice Agony
SG: Spacing Guild
shun: Refuse to reply to any posts made by a certain poster
SODR: Sort of Dune related
SS: Salusa Secundus
SY: Standard Year
TFM: (humorous) "The Fandom Menace" ("Dune: House Atreides")
TFO's: The First Ones* (alt.fan.dune Old-timers)
TM: Tleilaxu Masters
TP: Telepathy
UD: Ultimate Duncan (Duncan of HoD/Ch:D)
WEM: Dr. Willis E. McNelly* (in DE: Walter E. Meyers*)
WoL: Water of Life
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2.4.2 General Internet terms
These terms are in common use all over Usenet and Internet. A short list
of some of the most frequently used is provided here as a convenience to
newcomers to the medium.
AFAIK: As far as I know
BTW: By the way
FAQ: Frequently asked question(s) (file)
flame: Inflammatory message
IIRC: If I recall correctly
IM(H)O: In my (humble) opinion
IOW: In other words
LOL: Laughing out loud
newbie: Newcomer to the newsgroup
ng: Newsgroup
OT: Off-topic / Old-timer
OTOH: On the other hand
ROTFLOL: Rolling on the floor, laughing out loud
spam: Junk message. Often advertisement.
troll: Person who tries to sabotage newsgroup by provoking members
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3. Questions about the Dune franchise
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3.1 What is Dune?
"Dune" is the first of a series of science fiction books by Frank
Herbert. The adaptations of "Dune" include a full motion picture, a
television miniseries and several major computer games.
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3.2 Where can I find out more about Dune?
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3.2.1 In this FAQ
For all official published "Dune" stories: 5.1-5.3
For a list of books with analyses of "Dune": 5.3
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3.2.2 World Wide Web URLs
The task of keeping an updated and complete list of all Dune-related web
sites became insurmountable long ago. This, therefore, is only meant as
a starting point for further discovery. If you know of a website you
feel should be on this list, please email <dun...@email.com>.
The Frank Herbert Partnership official Dune site
<http://www.dunenovels.com/>
General and book-related:
Museum Arrakeen
<http://www.fremen.org/museum/>
The World of Dune
<http://www.duneworld.org/>
Usul's Homepage
<http://www.usul.net/>
Dune Index
<http://www.arrakis.co.uk/>
The Universe of Frank Herbert
<http://universe.pa-roots.com/>
Film-related:
Dune - Behind the Scenes
<http://www.flg21.com/dune/>
The Arrakis File
<http://members.aol.com/hiphats/arrakis0.html>
Game-related:
FED2k
<http://www.dune2k.com/>
Dune 1: Immersive Game
<http://www.terravista.pt/Nazare/4347/dune.html>
Webrings:
The Dune Webring
<http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=ibad>
Dune Chapterhouse Ring
<http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=chapterhouse>
Arrakis, The Dune RPG Webring
<http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=fishspeakers>
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3.2.3 Online games sites
Dune III MUSH: dune3.fremen.org 4201
Regent of Dune MUX: regent.nakednuns.com 4201
DuneMUD: dune.servint.com 8888
For more information on the above games, see also:
<http://www.fremen.org/muds/>
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4. Questions about the Dune story
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4.1 Which Dune adaptations are officially part of the story?
Among most Dune fans, at least on alt.fan.dune, only the Dune stories
written by Frank Herbert are considered "canon," i.e. official parts of
the story. These are, exclusively, the six Dune novels of the Chronicles
and the short story "The Road to Dune" in "Eye".
Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson claim to "continue to establish
canon in the Dune universe" with their prequels. However, many fans have
noted the numerous inconsistencies and implausibilities in their books
(see Section 4.3) and have become convinced that the authors don't have
any unique knowledge or understanding of Frank Herbert's intentions. The
prequels then become little more than "corporate fan-fiction".
The motion picture and television miniseries are generally accepted (if
not respected) as artistic interpretations of "Dune". Although Frank
Herbert worked as a consultant on the film, most agree that it does not
reflect his work, thoughts or opinions beyond being based on his
original novel.
Information from the computer games, RPG documentation and so on is
typically completely disregarded as more corporate fan-fiction. The same
goes for actual fan-fiction, of course.
For an explanation of the status of "The Dune Encyclopedia", see the
next section.
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4.2 Is "The Dune Encyclopedia" canon?
"The Dune Encyclopedia" was published in 1984, between "God Emperor of
Dune" and "Heretics of Dune", as a companion piece to the Dune
Chronicles. It was presented as the interpretation of the information
found in the Rakis hoard (first mentioned in "God Emperor of Dune") by
fictional historians two thousand years after the action of "God Emperor
of Dune" (again, some time before the action of "Heretics of Dune").
Because of this pretext, many entries in the book were intentionally
made inconsistent with the information given in the Chronicles, to
represent misinterpretation of the data by historians and manipulation
of the records by Leto II.
"The Dune Encyclopedia" was compiled and partially written by Dr. Willis
E. McNelly, a long-time friend and associate of Frank Herbert's. The
other articles were written by various of Dr. McNelly's colleagues and
acquaintances. No part of the book, except the prologue, was written by
Frank Herbert. However, Frank Herbert read and approved every entry
before inclusion in the book. The book was also created on Frank
Herbert's initiative. As stated in his prologue, he thoroughly approved
of it.
Still, the fact remains that the book does not reflect Frank Herbert's
ideas on Dune. No instance of him adopting a "Dune Encyclopedia"
invention has been demonstrated, and on some points (the axlotl vats,
the Harkonnen badge) later novels in the Chronicles contradict it beyond
the power of the book's fictional origins to explain away.
Where "The Dune Encyclopedia" directly conflicts with the Dune
Chronicles, whether attributable to the historians who supposedly wrote
it or not, it is politely ignored. Where it fills in the holes of Frank
Herbert's novels, though, attitudes vary. Some refuse to consider it
altogether, while others tend to apply as much information from it as
possible without contradiction.
As Dr. McNelly himself replied: "Of course the DE is not canon, and of
course it IS canon."
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4.3 What inconsistencies and errors are there in the Dune books??
The Dune books have a number of apparent errors, inconsistencies and
contradictions with each other and sometimes themselves. This is true of
Frank Herbert's original Chronicles, but even more of the Brian Herbert
and Kevin J. Anderson-penned prequels.
In the former case, the reason usually given is that Frank Herbert tried
to make the story of each volume as tight as possible, and didn't shrink
from disregarding things stated in previous novels to achieve it.
Sometimes, though, simple error seems to be the reason.
Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson cannot very well disregard
continuity in this fashion, so we must assume all discrepancies are
mistakes.
This is only a partial list. Note that some of these "errors" may have
consistent (but implausible) explanations.
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4.3.1 "Dune: House Atreides"
- The planet Harmonthep is mentioned several times in "House Atreides".
However, in "Dune" we are told that Harmonthep is "supposed to have been
a no longer existent satellite of Delta Pavonis", indicating it was
destroyed long ago.
- The construction of the Harkonnen no-room we see in "Heretics of Dune"
happens here. However, "Heretics of Dune" firmly establishes that "the
whole no-globe complex, some two hundred meters in diameter, was a
fossil preserved intact from the time of the Tyrant."
- The Kwisatz Haderach breeding program is said to go back 10,000 years.
According to "Dune" it has gone on for 90 generations. That would work
out to 111 years per generation (the traditional figure is 20).
- In "House Atreides", Piter de Vries is addicted to sapho juice. This
is not mentioned at all in "Dune", but much is, on the other hand, made
of his addiction to spice (which "House Atreides" doesn't mention).
- It appears to be general knowledge that the Tleilaxu are religious
fanatics. So how come it is such a major revelation for the Bene
Gesserit in "Heretics of Dune" and is not known to any character in the
Chronicles before that?
- Elacca wood is described as "wood from Elacca". According to Dune,
elacca wood (note lack of capitalization) comes from Ecaz. (After this
was pointed out, the authors posted an "explanation" on their website.)
- In this book, Crown Prince Shaddam and Count Fenring take great care
to make sure no one discovers that Emperor Elrood has been poisoned. The
Almanak en-Ashraf in "Dune" makes it clear that it was generally known
that Elrood "succumbed to chaumurky".
- House Vernius of Ix is a major player in all the prequels. However,
"Dune Messiah" refers to the Ixian Confederacy, indicating no noble
House ruled the planet.
- According to "House Atreides", cyborgs do not violate the tenents of
the Butlerian Jihad. According to "Chapterhouse: Dune", they do:
"Cyborgs?" [...] Didn't Idaho know the residue of revulsion left
by the Butlerian Jihad even among the Bene Gesserit?
Cyborg was one of those potpourri words, too. Where did mechanical
additions to human flesh become dominant? When was the Cyborg no
longer human? [...] The Butlerian Jihad had left its indelible
mark on humans. Fought and won . . . for then. And here was
another battle in that long-ago conflict.
- "Fixing" a crysknife is explained as "keyed to the body of the owner
so it would dissolve upon his death". In <i>Dune</i> it's the other way
around: "Fixed knives are treated for storage."
- The Battle of Corrin is said to be the final battle of the Butlerian
Jihad, fought by the "Bridge of Hrethgir". According to "Dune" it was a
space battle that took place twenty years after the Butlerian Jihad was
over.
- "House Atreides" makes Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam out to be
Jessica's mother. We know definitely that Frank Herbert did not intend
this, as it was the only entry in "The Dune Encyclopedia" he objected
to. (Willis McNelly convinced him to let it be included as a joke.)
- "House Atreides": "He fired a near-invisible bolt of white-orange fire
from the lasgun..."
"Dune": "Paul pointed to the violence above the distant cliff--the
jetflares, the purple beams of lasguns lacing the desert."
(The authors have corrected their error by "House Harkonnen".)
- Shaddam is crowned by a priest of Dur. However, Dur was a name given
to Leto II in the Scattering, several thousand years later. A deity (?)
Abu d' Dhur, "Father of the Indefinite Roads of Time", is mentioned in
"Dune Messiah".
- One of the central plot points in "House Atreides" is the death of
Leto's father, Duke Paulus. This happens before Jessica is born.
However, in "Dune", Jessica displays what can only be first-hand
experience of the Old Duke.
- We are told in "House Atreides" that the Baron Harkonnen is so fat
because he was infected with a disease. The Chronicles pretty much state
that it was due to a hereditary disposition and overeating:
GEoD [of the Baron]: "He was a fat, monstrous..."
"He was a seeker after sensations," Moneo said. "The fat was a
side-effect, then perhaps something to experience for itself
because it offended people and he enjoyed offending."
"Dune" [of Rabban]: "There was yet some rigidity in his fat, but
it was obvious to the eye that he'd come one day to the portable
suspensors for carrying his excess weight."
"Dune" [of Feyd]: "Here's one who won't let himself go to fat."
Note also that when Alia is possessed by the Baron in "Children of
Dune", she starts to put on weight.
- According to "God Emperor of Dune", Duncan had a sister who was killed
by Harkonnens. She is nowhere to be seen in "House Atreides".
- "God Emperor of Dune" also states that the Atreides rescued Duncan
from Harkonnen bondage. The events in the prequel don't seem to match
this description very well.
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4.3.2 "Dune: House Harkonnen"
- Jessica is made Duke Leto's concubine and Dr. Yueh joins the Atreides
before Paul's death. However, more than fifteen years later, in "Dune",
Jessica says that she has only known Yueh for six years.
- Gurney and Liet-Kynes meet and become good friends in "House
Harkonnen". Yet when they meet again in "Dune" they don't recognize each
other at all.
- Kynes tells a smuggler "I am Liet-Kynes, son of Pardot Kynes". The
authors also claim that Liet was his sietch name. In that case it should
be kept secret from outsiders.
- In "Dune", Gurney calls Duke Leto "the man who rescued me from a
Harkonnen slave pit, gave me freedom, life, and honor". However, in
"House Harkonnen" he escapes the Harkonnens on his own.
- In "House Harkonnen", Dr. Yueh is described as a greedy man. Contrast
this quote from "Dune": "Does greed touch even you, Wellington?"
- "House Harkonnen" has Ginaz ruled by an academy of swordmasters.
"Dune" clearly refers to the House of Ginaz.
- According to "House Harkonnen", the first time Duncan kills someone is
when he stabs Trin Kronos (a Moritani) in the back with his sword to
save his friend Resser. This takes place on planet Ginaz.
"Dune" [Duncan]: "My sword was firs' blooded on Grumman! Killed a
Harkon . . . Harkon . . . killed 'im f'r th' Duke."
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4.3.3 "Dune: House Corrino"
- In "House Corrino", Paul is born on Kaitan. From the opening paragraph
of "Dune": "Do not be deceived by the fact that he was born on Caladan
and lived his first fifteen years there."
- (More to be added.)
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4.3.4 "Dune"
- The first chapter heading states that Paul was born in the 57th year
of the Padishah Emperor, Shaddam IV. By the dates given in the Almanak
en-Ashraf (Appendix IV), this works out to 10,191, the year the story
starts with a fifteen year-old Paul. The problem can apparently be
solved by subtracting fifteen years from the dates of birth of Shaddam
IV and Count Hasimir Fenring, as done in "Dune: House Atreides".
- According to the first chapter heading in the section titled "The
Prophet":
"The measure of Count Fenring's friendship may be seen first in a
positive thing: he allayed the Landsraad's suspicions after the
Arrakis Affair. It cost more than a billion solaris in spice
bribes, so my mother said..."
This implies Irulan's mother Anirul was alive at the time of the Arrakis
Affair (10,191) while Appendix IV gives her year of death as 10,176.
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4.3.5 "Dune Messiah"
- In "Dune Messiah", Scytale meets with a former Fedaykin, Farok:
Scytale returned his gaze to the old man, noted the empty sleeve
dangling from the left shoulder [...]
"Thrice blessed," Farok said, folding his hands into his lap in
the ritual clasp. They were old, heavily veined hands. [...] Farok
held up his hands, examined the palms.
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4.3.6 "Children of Dune"
- Alia appears to have only Other Memory in "Dune" and "Dune Messiah",
then gains Ancestral Memory on the male side (!) in "Children of Dune".
(A possible explanation is that the massive spice overdose she subjected
herself to in "Dune Messiah" unlocked her Ancestral Memory, but no
support for this view is ever given in the novels.)
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4.3.7 "God Emperor of Dune"
- Duncan's memories of Leto as an infant in "God Emperor of Dune" are
inconsistent with him being a ghola of either the original Duncan or the
Hayt incarnation:
"I died defending Paul and his mother in a cave-sietch beneath the
sands of Dune."
[Duncan to Leto]: "Is it true what your Fish Speakers say -- you
have . . . memories of. . ."
Idaho remembered the strange child-twins, really: Leto and
Ghanima, Paul's children, the children of Chani, who had died
delivering them.
"What was he like in your day, the man Leto?"
"Which one?"
"Yes, I forget there were two -- the grandfather and our Leto. I
mean our Leto, of course."
"He was just a child, that's all I know."
If he was a ghola of Hayt, he should be a mentat, since the Duncan in
"Heretics of Dune" becomes a mentat when his memories are awakened.
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4.3.8 "Heretics of Dune"
- From "Heretics of Dune": "The cell studies said he was a mixture of
many Idaho gholas -- some descendant of Siona." Obviously, no Duncan
ghola could have been a descendant of Siona.
- Frank Herbert seems unaware that the Kelvin scale does not have
negative temperatures: "His dart throwers had been sealed and "washed"
against snoopers, then maintained at minus 340[degrees] Kelvin in a
radiation bath for five SY to make them proof against snoopers."
- If not a direct discrepancy, Scytale's return as a Tleilaxu Master in
"Heretics of Dune" is seen as odd by many. How and why the Tleilaxu
resurrected him, moreover changing him from a Face Dancer to a Master,
remains unexplained. That it is the same person is apparently
established by a comment that the latter incarnation had "met Muad'Dib".
The hidden nature of Tleilaxu society is difficult to reconcile with
Scytale's thoughts in "Dune Messiah".
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4.3.9 "Chapterhouse: Dune"
- Rebecca's process of becoming a Reverend Mother in "Chapterhouse:
Dune" seems very peculiar, as her Ancestral Memory apparently hasn't
been awakened by the Agony, but only in Sharing with Lucilla.
- By the sequence of Sharing at the end of "Chapterhouse: Dune"
(Sheeana-Odrade-Murbella), Murbella should have been aware of Sheeana's
and Duncan's plan to escape in the no-ship. (This can possibly be
explained by postulating that Murbella was in the process of absorbing
and assimilating those memories.)
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4.4 What are the origins of House Atreides?
(BEGIN "CHILDREN OF DUNE" SPOILER) In "Children of Dune", just before
Alia becomes overwhelmed by the Baron, and the voices yell at her, one
is described in particular: "I, Agamemnon, your ancestor, demand
audience!" (END "CHILDREN OF DUNE" SPOILER). This confirms the suspicion
that the Atreides of Caladan are descendants of the Ancient Greek House
Atreides of Mycenae. The founder of House Atreides is Atreus (Atreides
in Greek means "son/descendant of Atreus") and his son, Agamemnon
Atreides, led the Greeks in the Trojan War, whose tale is told in
Homer's "Iliad". The "Iliad" is a great epic poem (modern printings take
up large books), which was passed down through oral tradition. It was
written about half a century after the Trojan war, and is more fantasy
than history, but the archaeological excavations of Heinrich Schliemann
both in the now-Turkish hill of Hisarlik and what he found to be Mycenae
have proved that the Trojan War did take place, and that the fabled
"Golden Mycenae" was indeed a historical city state, which was at that
time the major superpower in Greece.
Agamemnon is also a historical figure, and his tomb still exists in the
archaeological site of Mycenae in Pelloponese in Greece. Mycenae, a
complete ancient city-state excavated and revealed, is a popular tourist
attraction and open to the public, as it was the center of Greece at its
time (which was accordingly named the Mycenean Era). Dune fans visiting
the area should take the time to pay tribute to the place where it all
started, or at least pick up a book or tourist guide from the area. :)
Answer courtesy of Stephanos Piperoglou.
(Note: Some inaccuracies in the above account have been pointed out.
Pre-historic Greece, the Trojan War and Homer are the subject of much
archaeological research, and very little is known for certain. This is
only intended to be a brief description as it relates to Dune.)
It has been argued (with reference to "The Dune Encyclopedia") that the
Agamemnon appearing before Alia is not necessarily the original
Agamemnon. However, in "God Emperor of Dune", Leto II writes: "My
paternal Grandfather was Leto Atreides, descendant of the House of
Atreus and tracing his ancestry directly back to the Greek original."
Reference courtesy of Jim Ware.
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4.5 Who are Marty and Daniel at the end of "Chapterhouse: Dune"?
The explanations of who the mysterious Marty and Daniel (who appear
irregularly in "Chapterhouse: Dune") may be are as many as there are
readers of the Chronicles. People seem to agree about some basic facts,
though:
- They were some kind of Face Dancers
- Like "NFDs" (see Subject 2.4.1), they were able to absorb memories and
personalities, not just appearances. However, they did not "become"
these people, like NFDs did
- In this manner, they had absorbed Reverend Mothers and
possibly Tleilaxu Masters
- For this or other reasons, they were now beyond Tleilaxu control
- They had vastly superior powers (their means of spying on Duncan),
either intrinsically or through technology
There are hints that they are enemies of the Honoured Matres from the
Scattering, part of the force that have driven them back to the Old
Empire, and in that case identical with the "Enemies of Many Faces" the
Honoured Matres fear. The technology they apparently transmit to Duncan
seems to support this. However, others have objected that their ability
to absorb memories indicates they are from the Old Empire, since that
ability was developed there (but with help from Scattering Tleilaxu?).
They also point out that "Enemies of Many Faces" could mean anything,
and that we have no basis for supposing that Marty and Daniel are not
unique.
Another interpretation, compatible with any of the above theories, is
that Marty and Daniel are Frank Herbert and his wife Beverly, saying
goodbye to readers and setting the characters free in a universe of
infinite possibilities. This idea was advanced in a French edition of
Dune, and is supported by the fact that Beverly died shortly before and
Frank shortly after "Chapterhouse: Dune" was published, and of course
the touching dedication and afterword. However, it is apparently
disproved by the fact that FH planned and had begun working on another
Dune novel before he died, and that he did not know of his terminal
disease when he wrote what was to be the last volume in the Chronicles.
Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson claim to possess Frank Herbert's
outline of "Dune 7", and plan to write the novel sometime in the future,
finally explaining the mystery.
Further speculations on the nature of Marty and Daniel can be found at:
<http://jkenny.home.mindspring.com/MartyandDaniel.htm>
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4.6 Who is Scytale?
Scytale is a Tleilaxu Face Dancer, the principal of the conspirators in
"Dune Messiah". At the end of that book, he is killed by a knife thrown
by Paul Muad'Dib.
Scytale is also a Tleilaxu Master appearing in "Heretics of Dune" and
"Chapterhouse: Dune". That this Scytale is the same one (or, rather a
ghola/clone of the one) from "Dune Messiah" is indicated by Master
Waff's musings that Scytale had once met Muad'Dib.
The process that resurrected Scytale and turned him into a Master is
never explained. Also, the differences between the Bene Tleilax society
vaguely suggested in "Dune Messiah" and the one seen in the last two
books are problematic. While a development obviously took place (to
incorporate the worship of Leto II, for instance), the Zensunni religion
seems always to have been a part of the Tleilaxu as seen in "Heretics of
Dune" and "Chapterhouse: Dune", yet is never hinted at in "Dune
Messiah".
Many fancy theories have been devised to cover up this inconsistency,
but in the final analysis it seems to be what it appears: Frank Herbert
modifying a story point to fit his own purposes, creating a discrepancy.
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4.7 Why isn't Leto II called Leto III?
Paul and Chani have a son named Leto, who is killed by Sardaukar near
the end of "Dune". In "Dune Messiah", Chani gives birth to another boy
who is also given the name Leto. This son later becomes the Emperor Leto
II. Some people have wondered why he isn't called Leto III, since there
had been two Letos before him: Paul's father the Duke, and Paul's first
son.
However, this would not be correct according to orthodox royal numbering
scheme. This system was introduced to distinguish between rulers by the
same name, not to identify normal family members. Therefore, only those
who ascend the throne are assigned a number. For instance, the father of
Richard III of England was Richard, Duke of York. Since he was never
king, he is not given a number.
The exception to this rule is Louis XVII of France. Because of the
French Revolution and Napoleon's Empire, he was never crowned and died
as a child. However, when his uncle Louis XVIII took the throne, Louis
XVII was included in the count, as a gesture that the Bourbon kings
didn't recognise the republican and imperial governments.
Another important point is that each nation keeps their own count. King
Henry IV of England is a quite different person from King Henry IV of
France. James VI of Scotland became James I when he ascended the English
throne. The numbers are not tied to the family: French Louises have come
from all royal families.
Normally, only sovereign rulers are numbered in this fashion. Nobles are
traditionally designated roughly in this way: Leto Atreides, first Duke
of Arrakis. However, the title is not necessarily tied to the land, so
Leto could very well be Duke of something else entirely. However, it is
not at all clear that Frank Herbert is following the traditional pattern
here.
We see that according to the accepted system, "Emperor Leto II" says
nothing about the names of his ancestors, but indicates that there has
been an Emperor Leto I. Such an Emperor is indeed mentioned in "The Dune
Encyclopedia". However, even if Herbert was applying only a
pseudo-authentic scheme, where Duke Leto is supposed to be counted,
there is no way Paul's first son could be included, since he never held
a title of any kind.
Finally, the following quote from "Heretics of Dune" should be included
for the sake of completeness:
"She asks about God's family," Stiros said. "Why should she have to ask
about -"
"She tests us. Do we give them Their proper places? The Reverend Mother
Jessica to her son, Muad?Dib, to his son, Leto II - The Holy Triumvirate
of Heaven."
"Leto III," Stiros muttered. "What of the other Leto who died at
Sardaukar hands? What of him?"
"Careful, Stiros," Tuek intoned. "You know my great-grandfather
pronounced upon that question from this very bench. Our Divided God was
reincarnated with part of Him remaining in heaven to mediate the
Ascendancy. That part of Him became nameless then, as the True Essence
of God should always be!"
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4.8 What is House Ordos?
Ordos is the name of an area in China, the origin of the Turks. It may
be related to the word "horde."
Answer courtesy of MtLoweMan
House Ordos is the third side (House Atreides and House Harkonnen being
the first two) you can play as in the Westwood computer games Dune II
and Dune 2000. House Ordos does not appear anywhere in Frank Herbert's
"Dune" novels. The name of the House appears in a list of Great Houses
under the entry "Great Houses" in "The Dune Encyclopedia", an article
written by Walter E. Meyers. In that article, they are listed as having
7 votes in the Landsraad (Atreides and Corrino having 10 each, Harkonnen
having 5), and their coat of arms is given as "Or two bones white per
saltire, in dexter chief entwined with ivy vert." This translates to
"Two white bones crossed over a golden background, with the upper right
part entwined with green ivy." Heraldic right is left to those looking
at the shield. The Ordos coat of arms in the computer games, with a
snake and a book, is the coat of arms of House Wallach. No further
information about them is given anywhere. The details of their
background were made up for the computer games.
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4.9 What is the Litany Against Fear?
The Litany Against Fear exists in two versions; both recited by Paul at
different occasions in "Dune".
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4.9.1 The Gom-Jabbar version
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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4.9.2 The Sandstorm version
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past me I will turn to see fear's path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
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4.10 What is the Mentat Mantra?
Mentat Piter de Vries (Brad Dourif) recites this litany in the movie
version of Dune, and Mentat Hayt de Vries (Robert Carin) repeats it in
Westwood's computer game Dune 2000. It does not appear anywhere in the
books, but is a movie construct from the mind of David Lynch.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
the lips acquire stains.
The stains become a warning.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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5. Questions about written materials on Dune
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5.1 What books are in the "Dune" series?
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5.1.1 "Dune", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley Pub.
(1999, c1965).
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5.1.2 "Dune Messiah", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley Pub.
(1999, c1969).
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5.1.3 "Children of Dune", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley
Pub. (1999, c1976).
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5.1.4 "God Emperor of Dune", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley
Pub. (1999, c1981).
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5.1.5 "Heretics of Dune", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley
Pub. (1996, c1984).
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5.1.6 "Chapterhouse: Dune", Frank Herbert, New York : Ace/Berkley
Pub. (1999, c1985).
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5.2 Are more "Dune" stories being written?
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5.2.1 By Frank Herbert
There is conjecture that Frank Herbert was in the process of writing a
seventh book when he died. Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson (see
below) claim to have found the notes for this book.
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5.2.2 Prequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
Brian Herbert, Frank's son, has agreed to write three prequels to
"Dune", called "Prelude to Dune". He will be co-writing them with Kevin
J. Anderson. The first two books, "House Atreides" and "House Harkonnen"
are already out. The third book in the series goes by the working title
"House Corrino" (formerly "The Spice War"). If these prequels are
commercially successful, the two plan to pen a seventh book, based on
Frank Herbert's notes. They also have ideas for many more books in the
Dune setting.
"Prelude to Dune: House Atreides", Brian Herbert and Kevin J.
Anderson, Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub. (1999).
ISBN: 0553110616
"Prelude to Dune: House Harkonnen", Brian Herbert and Kevin J.
Anderson, Bantam Doubleday Dell Pub. (2000).
ISBN: 0553110721
"Prelude to Dune: House Corrino", Brian Herbert and Kevin J.
Anderson, Spectra (2001).
ISBN: 0553110845
For more information about the upcoming "Dune" books, see:
<http://www.dunenovels.com/>
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5.2.3 Short story by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have also written a short story in
the Dune setting.
Herbert, Brian and Kevin J. Anderson (ill. Mark Zug) "A Whisper of
Caladan Seas" in "Amazing Stories", Summer 1999, #597,
pp. 66-73.
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5.3 What other books about Dune have been published?
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5.3.1 Dune fiction
"The Dune Encyclopedia", Willis E. McNelly (ed.), New York :
Berkley Books (1984), also Putnam (1984) and Corgi (1984).
ISBN: 0-425-06813-7, 0-399-12950-2, 0-552-99131-7
A comprehensive, authorised encyclopedia spanning the "Dune" series up
to book 4, and including little-known information and nice drawings.
It's written from a post-Scattering perspective. See subject 4.2.
"National Lampoon's Doon", Ellis Weiner, New York : Pocket Books, a
Division of Simon Schuster, Inc. (1984) and Grafton (1985).
ISBN: 0-671-54144-7, 0-586-06635-7
This one is a hilarious parody of "Dune". 221 pages includes parts one
to three (Doon, Muave'Bib and The Profit) with a Terms of the Imperium
Appendix.
"Eye", Frank Herbert (ill. Jim Burns), New York : Berkley Pub.
(1985), also Putnam (1985), Victor Gollancz (1986), Ace
(1987)
and New English Library (1988).
ISBN: 0-425-08398-5
Contains short stories from throughout Mr. Herbert's career. Notable is
the story, "The Road to Dune," written in 1985.
There is a small but growing body of Dune fan-fiction.
Dune Revenant:
<http://www.geocities.com/dune"revenant/dunerevenantbook.doc>
Dune7: Advent:
<http://www.usul.net/fandom/leeuwen.htm>
Dawn:
<http://www.tribeagles.org/susan/dawn.txt>
Rulers of Dune:
<http://psychoskuld.tripod.com/dunefanfic.html>
Harq al-Ada's Literary Roundtable:
<http://communities.msn.com/TheLandsraad/
harqaladasliteraryroundtable.msnw>
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5.3.2 Analytical essays
John Kenny has chartered Project McNelly; an attempt to list all essays
dealing with the Dune Chronicles, named after the prolific
Dune-reviewer. The list of books dedicated to interpreting "Dune",
including biographies of Frank Herbert, is reproduced here. For the full
listing of magazine articles etc., refer to Project McNelly's website
(under construction). If you wish to join Project McNelly, contact John
Kenny <jke...@bellsouth.net>.
"Cliffs Notes on Herbert's Dune and other works", Louis David
Allen, Cliffs Notes (1975).
ISBN: 0822012316
"(Starmont Readers' Guide #5:) Frank Herbert", David M. Miller,
Starmont House (1980), reprinted Borgo Press (1981).
ISBN: 0916732169, 0893700363
"(Recognitions:) Frank Herbert", Tim O'Reilly, Ungar (1981).
ISBN: 080442666X
"The Maker of Dune: insights of a master of science fiction",
Frank Herbert, Tim O'Reilly (ed.), New York : Berkley
Books (1987).
ISBN: 0425097854
"(Twayne's United States authors series:) Frank Herbert",
William F. Touponce, Twayne Publishers (1988). Bibliography,
includes index.
ISBN: 0805775145
"Dune Master: A Frank Herbert bibliography", Daniel J. H. Levack
(ed.) with annotations by Mark Willard, Meckler (1988).
ISBN: 0887360998
"Hugo Gernsback, Father of Modern Science Fiction: with Essays on
Frank Herbert and Bram Stoker", Mark Richard Siegel, Borgo
Press (1988).
ISBN: 0893702749
"Frank Herbert: Prophet of Dune", Harold Lee Prosser, Borgo
Press (1989).
ISBN: 0893702196
"Frank Herbert: A Voice from the Desert (A working bibliography)",
Gordon Benson Jr., Phil Stephensen-Payne, Borgo Press (1990).
ISBN: 0809547341
"Frank Herbert", Phil Stephensen-Payne, Galactic Central (1991).
ISBN: 1871133270
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5.3.3 Excerpts from the Chronicles
"The Notebooks of Frank Herbert's Dune", Brian Herbert (ed.),
New York : Perigee Books (1988). Binding: Paperback.
ISBN: 0-399-51466-X.
"Songs of Muad'Dib: poems and songs from Frank Herbert's Dune
series and his other writings", Brian Herbert (ed.),
New York : Ace (1992).
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5.3.4 Movie-related material
"The Making of Dune", Ed Naha, New York : Berkley Books (1984).
This one is about the making of the movie.
"The Dune Storybook", Joan D. Vinge (adapted from a screenplay by
David Lynch, based on the novel by Frank Herbert), Putnam
(1984).
ISBN: 0-399-12949-9
"Dune Activity Book", Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23351-7
"Dune Pop-Up Panorama Book", Maida Silverman (ill. Daniel Kirk),
Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23353-3
"Dune Cut-Out Activity Book", Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23352-5
"Dune Coloring Book", Michael Nicastre, Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23356-8
"Dune Coloring & Activity Book", Arlene Block (ill. Michael
Nicastre), Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23354-1
"Dune Puzzles, Games, Mazes & Activities", Katherine Randall
(ill. Michael Nicastre), Grosset & Dunlap (1984).
ISBN: 0-448-23355-X
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5.4 What other books has Frank Herbert written?
This should be a complete list of books where Frank Herbert appears as
author. These include non-fiction and as editor. It should be noted that
several of the anthologies listed here have been reprinted with some of
the stories missing.
"Survival and the Atom" (1952)
"The Dragon in the Sea" (a.k.a. "Under Pressure", a.k.a. "21st
Century Sub") (1956)
"Dune" (1965)
"The Green Brain" (1966)
"Destination: Void" (1966)
"The Eyes of Heisenberg" (1966)
"The Heaven Makers" (1968)
"The Santaroga Barrier" (1968)
"Dune Messiah" (1969)
"Whipping Star" (1970)
"New World or No World" (ed.) (1970)
"The Worlds of Frank Herbert" (1970)
"Soul Catcher" (1972)
"The Godmakers" (1972)
"Hellstrom's Hive" (a.k.a. "Project 40") (1973)
"The Book of Frank Herbert" (1973)
"Threshold: The Blue Angels Experience" (1973)
"Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow..." (co ed.) (1974)
"The Best of Frank Herbert" (1975)
"Children of Dune" (1976)
"The Dosadi Experiment" (1977)
"Destination: Void" (revised) (1978)
"The Jesus Incident" (with Bill Ransom) (1979)
"Without Me, You're Nothing: The Essential Guide to Home Computers"
(with Max Barnard) (1980)
"Direct Descent" (1980)
"The Priests of Psi" (1980)
"God Emperor of Dune" (1981)
"Nebula Winners 15" (ed.) (1981)
"The White Plague" (1982)
"The Lazarus Effect" (with Bill Ransom) (1983)
"Heretics of Dune" (1984)
"Eye" (1985)
"Chapterhouse: Dune" (1985)
"Man of Two Worlds" (with Brian Herbert) (1986)
"Worlds beyond Dune" (1987)
"The Ascension Factor" (with Bill Ransom) (1988)
The above list was compiled on the basis of bibliographies by John Wenn
and Kuusankosken Kaupunginkirjasto, with additional information from the
Frank Herbert Archives at California State University, Fullerton:
University Archives & Special Collections Section, University Library.
It has later been checked and corrected against "Dune Master: A Frank
Herbert Bibliography" by Levack and Willard.
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5.5 Have the books in the "Dune" series been serialised?
Yes. Many of the books in the "Dune" series have been published serially
in different magazines. Most of these serialisations represent the first
publication of each novel.
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5.5.1 "Dune"
"Dune" was serialised in "Analog: Science Fact, Science Fiction" in two
separate series. The first was titled "Dune World" and ran from Dec.
1963 to Feb. 1964. The second was titled "Prophet of Dune" and ran from
Jan. 1965 to May 1965. The publication was illustrated by John
Schoenherr. This was the first publication of "Dune", and differs
substantially from the text of the book.
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5.5.2 "Dune Messiah"
"Dune Messiah" was serialised in "Galaxy" from July 1969 to Nov. 1969.
The serialisation was illustrated by Jack Gaughan and represented the
first publication of the novel. The text varies somewhat from the book
version, being appreciably shorter, and includes an alternative first
chapter supposedly written by Bronso of Ix.
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5.5.3 "Children of Dune"
"Children of Dune" was serialised in "Analog: Science Fact, Science
Fiction" from Jan. 1976 to April 1976. It was illustrated by John
Schoenherr.
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5.5.4 "God Emperor of Dune"
An extract from "God Emperor of Dune" was published in "Playboy" Jan.
1981. It covered the arrival of Duncan Idaho on Arrakis.
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5.5.5 "Heretics of Dune"
An extract from "Heretics of Dune" was published in "Omni" March 1984.
It consists of a slightly condensed version of the sixth chapter of the
book.
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5.5.6 "Dune: House Atreides"
An extract of "House Atreides" was released in "Playboy" Nov. 1999. It
detailed the young Duncan Idaho's escape from the Harkonnens on Giedi
Prime.
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5.6 Have the books in the "Dune" series been translated?
Yes, at least some of the books in the "Dune" series have been
translated to: Czech, Danish, Dutch, Finnish, French, German, Hungarian,
Italian, Japanese, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese (Brazilian), Rumanian,
Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish (and Catalan), Swedish and Turkish. Additional
information about Dune translations can be found at:
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sf/dune-faq/part2/>
Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson's prequel to the series, "Dune:
House Atreides" (see subject 5.2.2), is or will be translated to: Czech,
Dutch, French, Hebrew, Italian, Polish and Spanish.
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5.6.1 Czech
All six Dune novels have been translated to Czech.
5.6.2 Danish
The three first volumes of the series have been translated to Danish.
5.6.3 Dutch
All six Dune novels have been translated to Dutch.
5.6.4 Finnish
The first two Dune books have been translated to Finnish. Frank
Herbert's short story "Passage for Piano" was published as "Tilaa
Pianolle" in the anthology "Maailma Mielen Mukaan" (1986), translated
and edited by Matti Rosvall.
5.6.5 French
All the Dune books have been translated to French.
5.6.6 German
All the Dune books have been translated to German.
5.6.7 Hungarian
The entire "Dune" series has been translated to Hungarian.
5.6.8 Italian
5.6.9 Japanese
The Dune books at least up to "God Emperor of Dune" have been translated
to Japanese. Although illustrated, this version is not a comic book
(manga).
5.6.10 Norwegian
"Dune" has been translated to Norwegian. It is published in two volumes,
one covering Book 1 and 2, and the other Book 3 and the Appendices.
5.6.11 Polish
All the Dune books have been translated to Polish. Two different
translations of the books up to "God Emperor of Dune" exist.
5.6.12 Portuguese
All the Dune books have been translated to Portuguese in Brazil.
5.6.13 Rumanian
All six Dune novels have been translated to Rumanian. They were
published by Nemira Publishing between 1992 and 1997.
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5.6.14 Russian
All the Dune books have been translated into Russian. They are available
on-line at:
<http://moshkow.relline.ru:5000/win/HERBERT/>
<http://lib.ru/HERBERT/>
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5.6.15 Serbo-Croation
5.6.16 Spanish
All the Dune books have been translated to Spanish. So have many of
Frank Herbert's other novels
5.6.17 Swedish
The first two volumes of the series have been translated to Swedish. So
has "The White Plague."
5.6.18 Turkish
The Dune novels up to and including "Heretics of Dune" have been
published in Turkish.
5.7 Are there any differences between "Dune" series editions?
Apart from cover art, typos and layout difference, these are the only
known differences between different editions of the "Dune" series.
Additional and more specific information is always appreciated.
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5.7.1 "Dune" first edition
Apparently, the first edition of "Dune" lacked the appendices found in
all later editions of that book, with the exception of the Terminology
of the Imperium glossary (which is located at the beginning of the
book). Final confirmation on this point is still requested.
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5.7.2 "The Illustrated Dune"
"The Illustrated Dune", Frank Herbert (ill. John Schoenherr), New
York : Berkley Pub. (1978, c1965).
"The Illustrated Dune" was the first and is still the most fully
illustrated bound edition of "Dune". It contains eight full-colour
paintings and 33 ink drawings, in addition to the cover and the standard
map.
The following is a list of all the paintings:
-Dawn at the Palace of Arrakeen
-Baron Vladimir Harkonnen
-The Sardaukar warriors
-The flight through the Shield Wall
-Paul Muad'Dib calling his first sandworm
-Stilgar and his men
-Paul administers the oath of the Fedaykin
-The defeat of the Sardaukar
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5.7.3 "Dune" Easton Memorial Edition
"Dune", Frank Herbert (ill. John Schoenherr), Norwalk, Conn. :
Easton Press Pub. (1987).
Memorial collector's edition that contains illustrations, collector's
notes and "Remembrances" by a number of science fiction writers. The
book reproduces the paintings and some (6) of the drawings from "The
Illustrated Dune". The printing quality on the drawings is lower than in
"The Illustrated Dune", but all things considered - leather binding,
gilt edges, paper quality, satin bookmark, silk lining and extra
material - this is definitely the deluxe Dune edition. (Be warned that
recent reprints of this edition have lacked the silk lining, and have
slight differences in binding and embossing font. They are otherwise
similar to the description above.)
The Memorial Edition is given as a bonus for those subscribing to the
"Masterpieces of Science Fiction" series.
The drawings included in this edition are:
-Lady Jessica introduces Paul to the Reverend Mother
-Jessica in the Weirding Room
-Dr. Liet-Kynes
-Paul and Jessica in a 'thopter
-The questing worm mouth seeks Paul and Jessica
-The Imperial tent
(For paintings, see the list for "The Illustrated Dune".)
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5.7.4 "Dune: New Illustrated Edition"
"Dune", Frank Herbert (ill. John Schoenherr), London :
Victor Gollancz (New Illustrated Edition 1999).
ISBN: 0-575-068566
This new illustrated edition of Dune reproduces only the paintings from
"The Illustrated Dune", along with four not before seen (in book form,
that is. The twelve paintings in total correspond to the illustrations
of the 1978 Dune calendar). Hardcover with bookjacket.
This book can be ordered on-line:
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0575068566/>
The paintings included are:
-Alone on Arrakis
-Dawn at the Palace of Arrakeen
-Baron Vladimir Harkonnen
-The Sardaukar warriors
-Ceremony at the Tomb of the Skull
-Desert Nightmare
-The flight through the Shield Wall
-Sietch Tabr
-Paul Muad'Dib calling his first sandworm
-Stilgar and his men
-Paul administers the oath of the Fedaykin
-The defeat of the Sardaukar
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5.7.5 "Dune Messiah"
Early editions of "Dune Messiah", as well as all New English Library
editions of that book, do not contain the first chapter "Excerpt from
the Death Cell interview with Bronso of IX," but rather a prologue
titled "The Weird of Dune."
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5.7.6 "Heretics of Dune"
Many editions of "Heretics of Dune", including New English Library
editions and at least one G. Putnam's sons edition, lack the "When I was
writing Dune..." introduction.
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5.8 Are there any comics and illustrated books about Dune?
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5.8.1 Illustrated books
See subjects 5.3.4, 5.7.2, 5.7.3 and 5.7.4.
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5.8.2 Comic books
"Dune: The official Marvel Comics adaptation", Ralph Macchio (after
the film by David Lynch, based on the novel by Frank Herbert,
art by Bill Sienkiewicz), New York : Marvel Comics
Group, distributed by Berkley (1984).
ISBN: 0-425-07623-7
Three versions of this comic exist. Marvel Super Special #36, one serial
published in three volumes, and the "book" above. The two albums have
different covers. Apart from cover art and printing quality, no
difference between these three publications is known.
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5.8.3 Foreign editions
Several foreign editions of the Dune Chronicles have been illustrated.
See subject 5.6.
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5.9 Can I get a signed copy of "The Dune Encyclopedia"?
Rumours of signed hardcover copies of the Dune Encyclopedia (DE) have
lately (98/12/19) been circulating on alt.fan.dune. Dr. Willis E.
McNelly, who compiled and edited the DE, denies ever having signed
anything but paperback copies.
6. Questions about the films
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6.1 What is the movie "Dune"?
"Dune" was made into a movie of the same title, and is available on
video. The movie was directed by David Lynch (of Twin Peaks and
Eraserhead fame), produced by Rafaella de Laurentiis, and starred: Kyle
MacLachlan (Paul Muad'Dib), Jurgen Prochnow (Leto), Sean Young (Chani),
Francesca Annis (Jessica), Dean Stockwell (Dr. Yueh), Virginia Madsen
(Irulan), Patrick Stewart (Gurney), Jose Ferrar (Shaddam IV), Sting
(Feyd-Rautha), Max von Sydow (Liet-Kynes), and Linda Hunt (Shadout
Mapes). The costumes were designed by Bob Ringwood.
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6.2 Is there more than one version of the movie?
Yes. There are actually 3 versions of the movie.
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6.2.1 Theatrical release
"Dune" had its theatrical release in 1984. Its length is 2 hours and 17
minutes. It has also been shown on the Sci-Fi channel. This version is
also the standard video release. On the video release, approximately 20
minutes of footage near the end of the film has been photographically
flipped, so that Paul carries his ring on his left hand etc.
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6.2.2 Alan Smithee version
The version which is commonly shown on television contains some scenes
which were not in the movie. It is not on video cassette. It is 4 hours
long with commercials, roughly 3 hours without. This version contains
certain scenes that the director, David Lynch, did not want; such as a
scene of Gurney playing the baliset, and a voice-over introducing some
of the characters and societies. Lynch petitioned the Director's Guild
to have his name removed from the credits of this version. The generic
'Alan Smithee' appears in his place. Despite this, this version is often
erroneously referred to as the "director's cut".
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6.2.3 KTVU version
There is a third version that was cobbled together out of pieces of the
above two films by KTVU. It contains no new scenes; rather it is simply
a re- edit of the same material.
There is also a laserdisc letterboxed edition of the movie. It contains
versions 6.2.1 and 6.2.2 for a total of 320 minutes from beginning to
end of the disc. It contains no new scenes that are not in 6.2.1 and
6.2.2. The laserdisc is available only as a Japanese import. Each
version is subtitled in Japanese, and the theatrical release (version
6.2.1) is in a very nice widescreen format.
For more information about the movie and its variants, look at the
"Arrakis File" at:
<http://members.aol.com/Hiphats/arrakis.html>
For "behind the scenes" information and trivia on the movie, try "Dune -
Behind the Scenes" at:
<http://www.flg21.com/dune/>
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6.3 How do I get each version of the movie?
Universal/MCA has re-released the theatrical version of Dune on NTSC and
PAL VHS in both widescreen and Pan & Scan format. The widescreen PAL
video has been deleted.
The theatrical edition has also been released on laserdisc and DVD (R1
and R2). All these are in (non-anamorphic) widescreen, and of fairly
high technical standard. They feature no particularly exciting extras.
The Alan Smithee edition is available on R2 DVD, both in PAL and in a
two-disc Japanese NTSC set. Its format is Pan & Scan, because it was
originally edited for television.
The Japanese import laserdisc is out of print.
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6.4 What merchandise was produced in connection with the movie?
A large number of toys and merchandise was produced in connection with
the movie. Any information beyond that listed here would be appreciated.
This information is to a large degree based on a list of Dune
merchandise by Josh Z.
For more information and pictures of movie merchandise, go to:
<http://www.arrakis.co.uk/collectorsbook.html>
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6.4.1 Action figures and toys
LJN Toys released a series of action figures and toys based on the
movie.
Paul Atreides action figure
Baron Harkonnen action figure
Stilgar the Fremen action figure
Beast Rabban action figure
Sardaukar warrior action figure
Feyd-Rautha action figure
Sandworm posable toy
Spice Scout vehicle
Motorized mini-vehicles (Sand Scouts):
Sand Roller, Sand Crawler, Sand Tracker
Fremen Tarpel Gun
Sardaukar Laser Gun
Revell also produced a Worm model, Ornithopter and Sand Crawler distinct
from the LJN toys.
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6.4.2 Trading cards
Fleer released a set of Trading cards and stickers (with bubblegum). The
cards depict scenes and characters from the movie. The complete set
includes 132 cards and 44 stickers.
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6.4.3 Promotional material
Innumerable different posters (in different languages) for the film
exist. In addition to this, there was a movie press kit given to
reviewers on the release of the film, and a special copy of the
Terminology of Dune handed out to audiences in some theatres.
Information on further curiosa would be appreciated.
It is sometimes possible to buy genuine props and costumes from the
movie. Replicas of various items, especially crysknives, are also
available.
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6.4.4 Various items
Party favors:
Paper plates (7- and 9-inch)
Paper napkins
Party blowers
Official buttons. Four different motives.
View-master reels. 3 reels (21 pictures total) of 3-D pictures.
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6.4.5 Things listed elsewhere
For data on books dealing with the film, see subject 5.3.4
For soundtrack information, see subject 7.1.1
For information on the Parker Bros. game, see subject 8.4.2
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6.5 Has there been other attempts to film "Dune"?
Yes, there has been several attempts to film "Dune". Sterling Lanier and
Chilton bought the film rights for "Dune" already in 1963. The first
major attempt to bring the book to the screen started in the mid-
seventies, when Michel Seydoux bought the movie rights for Alejandro
Jodorowsky, director of "El Topo" and "The Holy Mountain". Jodorowsky
signed on Jean "Moebius" Giraud, Chris Foss and H. R. Giger to do the
artwork for the film, Pink Floyd to direct the music, and Orson Welles,
Salvador Dali and his own son Brontis to act. The screenplay was a
radical revision of Frank Herbert's story. The investors withdrew
financial backing after Jodorowsky had spent millions without having
started filming, and the production foundered. The story, images and
concepts of the film later resurfaced in work by Jodorowsky, Moebius,
Foss and Giger. Jodorowsky's thoughts on the project can be read at:
<http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/dunestory.html>
Dino de Laurentiis picked up the rights to "Dune" after the failure of
Jodorowsky. Frank Herbert insisted on being admitted as script
consultant. Several versions of the movie were proposed before Lynch was
hired as director, including an attempt by Ridley Scott (director of
"Alien" and later "Blade Runner" and "Thelma & Louise"), whose concept
was rejected because of its high budget. Finally, David Lynch directed
the film that reached cinemas.
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6.6 What is the "Dune" TV series?
In 1998, the Sci-Fi channel commissioned a "Dune" television mini series
to be produced by New Amsterdam Entertainment, Betafilm and Tandem
Communications. The series was written and directed by John Harrison.
Principal photography started in Prague in November 1999, and the three
episodes of the series aired on the US Sci-Fi Channel on December 3.-5.
2000. The series has been released on both American NTSC VHS and R1 DVD,
and European PAL VHS and R2 DVD.
Additional scenes (considered too controversial for American television)
are included in European broadcasts and releases.
The Sci-Fi Channel have commissioned a second series, based on "Dune
Messiah" and "Children of Dune". The working title of this series is
"Children of Dune", and the script by John Harrison (who will most
likely again direct) has been completed. This series will air in 2002 or
2003.
The series was written and directed by John Harrison, with Vittorio
Storaro as cinematographer, Miljen "Kreka" Klakovic as production
designer and Theodor Pistek as costume designer. Executive producers
were Richard P. Rubinstein and Mitchell Galin. The series starred: Alec
Newman (Paul Atreides), William Hurt (Leto), Barbara Kodetova (Chani),
Saskia Reeves (Jessica), Giancarlo Giannini (Shaddam IV), Julie
Cox(Irulan), Ian McNeice (Baron Harkonnen) and Matt Keeslar
(Feyd-Rautha).
For more information, check out the official website:
<http://www.scifi.com/dune/>
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7. Questions about sound recordings relating to Dune
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7.1 Are there any Dune-related music albums?
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7.1.1 Movie Soundtrack
There are two main versions of the soundtrack to the movie. The original
soundtrack ("Dune: Original Soundtrack Recording") has been released
multiple times (on LP, cassette and CD) by Polydor, and can currently be
bought on import. Production # 422 823 770-2.
In 1997, P.E.G. Recordings released a digitally remastered version of
the soundtrack, called "Dune: Original Motion Picture Score." It is
often referred to as the David Paich version of the soundtrack. It
contains many new tracks, but does not include Brian Eno's Prophecy
Theme. The dialogue present in the original release has been removed
here (hence its title "motion picture score" rather than "soundtrack").
This CD is no longer in production, and can be hard to find. Production
# PEG 015.
For track listing and purchasing information, see:
<http://www.fremen.org/collectibles/soundtrack.html>
For more information, see:
<http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/dune.html>
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7.1.2 Mini Series Soundtrack
Graeme Revell's soundtrack score to the mini series is released by GNP
Crescendo Records. It can be bought (only) over their website:
<http://gnpcrescendo.com/ >
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7.1.3 Exxos "Dune: a Spice Opera"
Exxos (an alternative company name for Cryo Interactive) made a
soundtrack to their Dune I computer game. Of the thirteen tracks on the
album, eight appeared in the game (one tune from the game did not make
it to the soundtrack. The tune is the seventh to be played if you put
the game music in CD mode, and is unofficially known as "Bagdad"). One
track appears in two mixes (Dune Theme/Dune Variation). The music for
the game was composed by St?ane Picq; he and Stephen Ulrich made the
soundtrack.
"Dune: a Spice Opera" by Exxos (Cryo Interactive). Published by
Virgin Records Ltd. CDVE 911.
The CD went out of production in 1994, and is very hard to find. MP3
files of the music are floating around on the Internet, but be aware
that these are illegal. If you would like this soundtrack, please ask
Virgin to reprint it. You can also write to:
EXXOS: CRYO Interactive, Exxos, 43, Rue de Richelieu,
75001, PARIS, FRANCE.
Track list:
-Spice Opera (4:54)
-Emotion Control (4:26)
-Ecolove (5:07)
-Water (3:12)
-Revelation (6:07)
-Free Men (6:32)
-Wake Up (5:51)
-Dune Theme (5:14)
-Chani's Eyes (5:06)
-Sign of the Worm (3:51)
-Too (4:33)
-Dune Variation (6:28)
-Cryogenia (4:46)
The music is very good, with an Arabient techno ambiance that captures
the Dune mood perfectly.
For more information, check out St?ane Picq's homepage:
<http://www.multimania.com/esteban/english/index.shtml>
...and this fan site:
<http://www.terravista.pt/Nazare/4347/dune.html>
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7.1.4 Emperor: Battle for Dune Soundtrack
This CD with 13 track of music from Westwood's latest Dune game is only
available for those who order a special edition of the game through
Electronic Art's (EA) US online store. Frank Klepacki (who composed the
music for Dune II and Dune 2000) composed the Atreides part of the
soundtrack, while David Arkenstone and Jarrid Mendelson did the
Harkonnen and Ordos parts, respectively.
Track list:
-The War Begins (4:33) (Atreides)
-The Machine (4:50) (Harkonnen)
-Not an Option (3:52) (Ordos)
-Unstoppable (5:50) (Harkonnen)
-Ride the Worm (5:36) (Atreides)
-Sabotage (4:19) (Ordos)
-Harkonnen Force (5:29) (Harkonnen)
-Assembling the Troops (7:42) (Atreides)
-Ghola (3:48) (Ordos)
-Legacy (6:14) (Harkonnen)
-The Specimen (5:06) (Ordos)
-The Spice Must Flow (4:47) (Atreides)
-Tribute to Evil (6:21) (Harkonnen)
Buy it from EA's website:
<http://www.ea.com/>
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7.1.5 "Chronolyse"
Richard Pinhas from the band Heldon released Chronolyse in 1978, having
recorded it in 1976. He calls it: "Imaginary music for the book of Frank
Herbert, "Dune"."
"Chronolyse" by Richard Pinhas. Cobra 1978. COB 37.015
Track list:
Variations sur le th? de Bene Gesserit:
-Variation I (2:22)
-Variation II (2:15)
-Variation III (1:36)
-Variation IV (1:44)
-Variation V (1:35)
-Variation VI (2:05)
-Variation VII (4:33)
-Duncan Idaho (6:12)
-Paul Atreides (30:23)
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7.1.6 Klaus Schulze's "Dune"
German electronica composer Klaus Schulze made an album inspired by
Frank Herbert's novel in 1979. It is available on CD as a foreign
import.
"Dune" by Klaus Schulze. Metronome GmbH 1979
Track list:
-Dune (30:06)
-Shadows of Ignorance (26:15)
The first track is instrumental, while the second has singing (in
English) by one Arthur Brown. The lyrics don't seem to have any
connection to Dune. Schulze's "X" album contains a track called "Frank
Herbert".
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7.1.7 David Matthews' "Dune"
David Matthews (not the Dave Matthews of the Dave Matthews Band)
arranged a Dune album in 1977. One side of the LP (there is no known CD
release, only stereo 8 track and cassette) contains Dune-related
material, the other various science-fiction material. Another of
Matthews' albums also contains a tribute to Frank Herbert.
"Dune" by David Matthews. CTI Records: A Division of Creed
Taylor, Inc. 1977
Track list:
Side 1-Dune
-Part I Arrakis (6:03)
-Part II Sandworms (5:03)
-Part III Song of the Bene Gesserit (2:50)
-Part IV Muad'Dib (6:36)
Side 2
-Space Oddity (6:05)
-Silent Running (3:16)
-Princess Leia's Theme (from Star Wars) (2:55)
-Main Theme from Star Wars (3:22)
The music is some kind of disco-jazz, with lyrics only on David Bowie's
Space Oddity (not sung by Bowie, though). Side 2 is generally the more
enjoyable, because of its unusual versions of well-known songs.
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7.1.8 "Eros"
The French band D?eased this album independently in 1981. In 1999
it was re-released on CD by the Soleil label.
"Eros" by D?leil Atreides 1999.
Track list:
L'epice 9:25 (J. Geerhaerts)
Arrakis 9:36 (P. Vandenbulcke)
Bitonio 7:09 (P. Vandenbulcke)
Eros 10:17 (J. Geerhaerts)
* Bitonio 10:20 (P. Vandenbulcke)
** Arrakis 5:07 (P. Vandenbulcke)
** Eros 7:11 (J. Geerhaerts)
*** Acoustic Fremen 6:17 (J. Geerhaerts, P. Vandenbulcke, P. Portejoie)
* Bonus track, recorded 1979
** Bonus tracks, recorded 1978
*** Bonus track, recorded 1978
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7.1.9 "Parallel Galaxy"
Emmett Chapman, inventor of the Chapman stick, released a solo album
called Parallel Galaxy in 1985. A track from this album
(Backyard)appears on the Alan Smithee cut of Dune as Gurney plays the
baliset (in reality a thinly disguised Chapman stick).
"Parallel Galaxy" by Emmett Chapman. Stick Enterprises 1985.
For more information, refer to the official web site:
<http://www.stick.com/>
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7.2 Has Dune inspired other music?
Yes, Dune has inspired many other bands and artists. However, the Dune
connection is often tenuous, limited to a few samples from the movie,
for instance.
Band: Altar of Sacrifice
Genre: Hardcore
Dune connection: Movie sample in "Mind in Motion"
On album: Mind in Motion single
Band: Arrakis
Genre: Techno
Dune connection: Band name, movie sample in "The Spice"
On album: The Spice
Band: Astral Projection
Genre: Trance
Dune connection: Movie sample in "Dancing Galaxy" and others
On album: Dancing Galaxy; No One Ever Dreams
Band: Blind Guardian
Genre: Hard rock
Dune connection: "Traveller in time" inspired by Dune
On album: Tales from the Twilight World
Band: Die Fantastischen Vier
Genre: Hip-hop
Dune connection: Movie samples and lyrics in "Der Krieger"
On album: Lauschgift
Band: Dune
Genre: Techno
Dune connection: Band name (from movie), movie samples
On album: Dune
Band: Dynamix II
Genre: Electronica
Dune connection: Movie sample in "Get out of my mind"
On album: Machine Language
Band: Eon
Genre: Techno
Dune connection: Track names, movie samples
On album: Void Dweller
Artist: Fatboy Slim
Genre: Techno
Dune connection: Lyrics in "Weapon of Choice"
On album: Halfway between the Gutter and the Stars
Artist: Fear Factory
Genre: Industrial
Dune connection: Album Title
On album: Fear is the Mindkiller EP
Band: Iron Maiden
Genre: Hard rock
Dune connection: "To Tame a Land" lyrics inspired by Dune (novel)
On album: Piece of Mind
Anecdote: Approached FH about making Dune music, but were turned down as
"Frank Herbert doesn't like rock music. Especially not hard rock. And
especially not Iron Maiden."
Band: Jamiroquai
Genre: Trip hop/Acid Jazz
Dune connection: Song title "Travelling without Moving"
On album: Travelling without Moving
Band: Juno Reactor
Genre: Trance
Dune connection: Movie sample in "Rotorblade"
On album: Beyond the Infinite
Band: Kwisatz Haderach
Genre: Hard-core
Dune connection: Band name
Band: Manufacture
Genre: Industrial
Dune connection: Movie samples, track "Pain amplifier"
Artist: Pablo Gargano
Genre: Hardhouse/techno
Dune connection: Movie samples, track "The secret spice"
Band: Shai Hulud
Genre: Hard-core
Dune connection: Band name, artist name (Muad'Dib), movie samples
Band: Stillsuit
Genre: Hard-core
Dune connection: Band name
Artist: Tom Smith
Genre: Comedy
Dune connection: Track "Crystal Gale killed Frank Herbert"
On album: Who let him in here?
Lyrics online at
<http://www.tomsmithonline.com/lyrics/crystalgayle.htm>
Artist: Trey Gunn
Dune connection: Track "Arrakis"
On album: The Third Star
Can be ordered online at:
<http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cat/9606cat.shtml>
Further music inspired by Dune would be appreciated.
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7.2.1 By fans
Many fans have become inspired by "Dune" to create music. This section
is heavily under construction.
- In 1998, "SSM" posted links to MIDI and MP3 files of a melody composed
by his brother called "Gurney's song" (the one that begins "Orchards and
vineyards") to alt.fan.dune. There's no known current source for these
files.
- In January 2001, Alexander Johannesen posted a link to an MP3 of a
track he had made called "Dunish", featuring samples from the movie.
There is no known current source for this file.
- In 2001, Giovanni Wassen posted links to several Dune-inspired tracks
he had made. They are available on his website:
<http://www.nmmusic.nl/dunesaga.html>
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7.3 Are there any spoken word recordings of Dune works?
Yes. Unabridged recordings of several books in the Dune Chronicles have
been published. Also available on audio are excerpts read by the author,
as well as interviews with Frank Herbert.
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7.3.1 The Dune Audio Collection
This is a compilation of four mono cassettes, previously released
separately as "Sandworms of Dune", "Dune - The Banquet Scene", "Battles
of Dune" and "Truths of Dune." Recorded in 1977-79, they contain
excerpts from the first three books, melded with connective text written
by Frank Herbert. They are all read by the author. The description
states that the Audio Collection is a "selection" of the four
recordings, it is unknown whether it includes all the material from
them. Certainly it is missing the extensive liner notes written by Frank
Herbert.
"Sandworms of Dune", Frank Herbert, Caedmon (p1978).
One 2-track mono cassette. 41 minutes.
#TC 1565, CDL 51565
"Dune: The Banquet Scene", Frank Herbert, (1977).
Mono LP, cassette. 54 minutes.
#TC 1555, CP 1555
"The Battles of Dune", Frank Herbert, Caedmon, Harper Classics
(1979, 1994). Mono LP, cassette. 62 minutes.
#TC 1601, CDL 51601
"Truths of Dune: Fear is the Mind Killer", Frank Herbert, Caedmon
(1979). Mono LP, cassette. 45 minutes.
#TC 1616, CDL 51616
"The Dune Audio Collection", Frank Herbert. Containing selections
of the four above. Caedmon: An Imprint of Harper Audio
(1994).
ISBN: 1-55994-957-0.
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7.3.2 The Dune Chronicles
"Dune", Frank Herbert (read by George Guidall). Complete and
unabridged. Isis Audio Books (a division of Isis Publishing
Ltd.).
ISBN: 1-85695-896-5
"Dune", Frank Herbert (read by Connor O'Brien). Complete and
unabridged. Books on Tape, Inc. (1997).
ISBN: 073663763X
"Dune Messiah", Frank Herbert (read by Connor O'Brien). Complete
and unabridged. Books on Tape, Inc. (1997).
ISBN: 0736640185
"Children of Dune", Frank Herbert (read by Connor O'Brien).
Complete and unabridged. Books on Tape, Inc. (1997).
ISBN: 0736640193
"God Emperor of Dune", Frank Herbert (read by Connor O'Brien).
Complete and unabridged. Books on Tape, Inc. (1998).
ISBN: 0736644229
Note that the above books read by Connor O'Brien are available through
Barnes & Noble.
"God Emperor of Dune", Frank Herbert. Cassette. Approx.
60 minutes. Excerpts read by the author. Harper
Classics (1994, c1982).
#TC 1694
"Heretics of Dune", Frank Herbert. Cassette. 47 minutes.
First two chapters read by the author. Harper
Classics (1994, c1984).
#TC 1742
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7.3.3 Interviews.
"DUNE: a Recorded Interview". Author FRANK HERBERT and
film director DAVID LYNCH discussing the making of
"DUNE", the motion picture; followed by Frank
Herbert's dialogue on beliefs, values and his writing.
Printed as a Waldentapes Special Edition. ISBN
0-681-30895-8. According to Kevin Buchli it's a "$6.95
value priced at $2.95".
8. Questions about the games
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8.1 What MU*s are there with a Dune theme?
There are currently one MUSH, one MUX and one MUD that are known. See
subject 3.2.3 for game locations.
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8.1.1 Dune III MUSH
Dune III MUSH takes place in the year 10,091, one hundred years prior to
the opening of "Dune". The game is open for role-play. For more
information, please look to:
<http://www.dune3.net/>
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8.1.2 Regent of Dune MUX
Regent of Dune MUX takes place in the year 10,210. The Emperor Paul
Muad'Dib has sacrificed himself to Shai-Hulud, in fulfilment of the
=46remen prophecy. His sister, Saint Alia-of-the-Knife, now rules the
universe as Regent to the Atreides Dynasty. Alia has commanded the
members of the entire Landsraad Assembly, as her noble subjects, to
reside in the Imperial Palace on Arrakis. By Alia's decree,
representatives of the Bene Gesserit, the Bene Tleilax, the Spacing
Guild, and Ix have also been ordered to relocate to Arrakeen.... The
universe, only recently emerging from eleven years of brutal warfare, is
in flux. The traditions of ten thousand years are being questioned by a
tribe of warriors from the desert: the Fremen. With all the universe
descending on Arrakeen, the inhabitants are awaiting the outcome of the
most ambitious social experiment in the history of mankind and you can
be a part of it.
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8.1.3 Dune MUD
Dune MUD is a hack-n-slash type of RPG. It takes place in an unspecified
time period in many locations within the known universe. Information
about this game can be found on:
<http://dune.servint.com>
=46or information about multi-user games in general, readers are directed
to the rec.games.mud.* hierarchy.
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8.2 How do I make these MU*s look right on my screen?
How to set your system up so that a MU* looks reasonable can be a tricky
puzzle, and because there are so many different configurations, I'll
just give some quick tips:
1. If you use a terminal program to dial an Internet account,
emulate a vt100 if at all possible. You may have to play with
your screen-wrap setting, as well. You'll know if you need it.
Screen-wrap can also be controlled within some telnet's.
2. Be sure your terminal setting matches your terminal. :)
3. If you're using telnet, you'll find that other players' typing
interferes with your typing, causing some strangeness on the
screen. This is inevitable, and unfortunate. The only solution
is a client program (see below).
The easiest way to defeat all screen problems is to compile a MU* client
program to use instead of telnet. The tinyfugue client is available by
anon-ftp from glia.biostr.washington.edu, /pub/tinyfugue. For more
information about clients, read the MUD FAQ in rec.games.mud.announce.
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8.3 Are there any computer and video games about Dune?
There are five readily available games for personal computers based on
"Dune": Dune I, Dune II, Dune 2000, Emperor: Battle for Dune and Frank
Herbert's Dune. In addition to this, one more game is currently in
development by Cryonetworks ("Dune Generations").
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8.3.1 Dune I
Dune I (the "I" isn't part of the title, but is added for clarity) is a
graphic adventure game from 1992 based on both the book and the movie,
in which players take the role of Paul. Versions of the game were
released for PC DOS, Sega CD, Amiga and Acorn machines, at least. For
the CD, the floppy disc and CD version differ substantially: the CD
version includes footage from the film, and has spoken synchronised
voices for all the dialogue. Also, the landscapes and flying sequences
are more advanced, using 3-D texture mapping. There may finally be
differences in the soundtrack. Notice that the floppy disk version is
sometimes sold on CD. The Sega CD version is identical to the PC CD
version. Cryo released a soundtrack for the game under the label Exxos.
See subject 7.1.2. Here's a review of the game:
=46rom: bdu...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bill Dugan)
"Dune" is an adventure/strategy game for DOS computers, written by Cryo
and published and distributed by Virgin Games. There is a version that
ships on floppy disk and a version that ships on CD-ROM (recommended).
The game roughly follows the plot of the first "Dune" novel, though
there are a number of plot twists which were introduced, presumably to
let fans enjoy some unpredictability rather than plodding through a plot
they already know by heart. For instance, rather than suffering the
Betrayal, Duke Leto Atreides becomes angry and leads an expedition to
attack the Harkonnens and is captured.
As Paul Atreides, you must visit the Fremen sietches, gradually winning
their trust and building a power base. You must employ the Fremen to
mine spice, allowing you to send regular shipments to the Emperor to
satisfy his demands. Excess spice can be used to buy equipment from
smugglers. Eventually you can train more and more Fremen as troops
rather than as spice gatherers, and attack the Harkonnens, who land on
Dune to challenge your authority.
Dune contains elements of adventure games as well as strategy games. The
adventure game aspect: As Paul Atreides, you must visit many locations
and talk to characters, asking them to do things or giving them objects
to use. The strategy aspect focuses on the world map, where you assign
the Fremen to perform different tasks in different places -- at first by
physically visiting the Fremen and giving orders, and later by making
use of telepathy, a previously unknown gift of the Kwisatz Haderach. :)
Dune is an engrossing game. The game play is continually interesting,
with tidbits and new technology popping up now and then to renew
interest. The graphics are very good, with flights over a 3-D rendered
sandscape as you fly about in your ornithopter. The soundtrack is great
-- mesmerizing, played with weird instruments with a vaguely Arabic
feel. In the CD-ROM version, the pop-up heads of the characters (Duke
Leto, Jessica, Gurney, Hawat, Chani, Stilgar...) are lip-synched to the
audio of the characters talking to you. Good audio, and there are
touches of humor -- if you stand in the desert with Gurney and talk to
him, and he has nothing important to say, he just says, "It's cooler
inside, isn't it?" A sound card is recommended and almost required.
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8.3.2 Dune II
Dune II is also known by its subheadings: "Dune II: The Building of a
Dynasty" or "Dune II: The Battle for Arrakis". The Sega Genesis version
is also sometimes referred to as "Dune Genesis". The Genesis version is
slightly different from the PC DOS version, mainly in graphics and
interface.
=46rom: bdu...@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bill Dugan)
Dune II is a very different type of game. It is a real-time tactical
strategy game, also for DOS computers. The game was also ported to the
Sega CD. It was written by Westwood Studios (now owned by Virgin/EA). It
is published and distributed by Virgin Games. You can play the Atreides,
the Harkonnens or the Ordos, another noble family. You start with a
primitive military base and spice harvester equipment. You have one
opponent, situated across the map from you. The map is colored black at
the beginning and becomes visible as your troops move into the unknown
areas of the board -- similar to "Empire" and all its descendants.
Dune II's uniqueness lies in its real-time nature. Unlike tactical
strategy games that make use of turn-based play, Dune II is real time.
That is, if your tanks are fighting enemy tanks in the southwest corner
of the map and you are viewing the battle closely in an effort to direct
the battle, you may be neglecting the manufacture of replacement troops
back at your base, or a worm may be eating one of your sandcrawlers up
at the north end of the map. Just as in real life, you can only focus
your attention on one thing at a time.
After you finish the whole game there is still some replay value; you
can switch to the two other families, which have other types of troops
available. After you play the noble Atreides, as all Dune fans surely
will :), you can start over as the Harkonnens with their "Devastator"
tanks, or as the Ordos with their special chemical weapon that
brainwashes enemy troops into accepting your orders for a short time.
Dune II is published by Westwood Studios, distributed by Virgin Games.
It was originally published in 1992.
Dune II: The Battle for Arrakis - Official FAQ by S.E.Pollitt is
available by e-mail from <sepo...@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au> or by
anonymous ftp from:
<ftp.uwp.edu:/pub/msdos/games/romulus/hints>
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8.3.3 Dune 2000
Dune 2000 is an updated version of Dune II, released by Virgin/EA under
the Westwood label. It was published in 1998, and the technology of the
game is brought more or less up to the contemporary standard. Graphics
are now in higher resolution and more colours, music is higher quality,
etc. The interface has gone through the biggest development, and is very
much like that of "Red Alert." Although the basic gameplay remains the
same, new features and units have been added. The levels are completely
new. The game follows the story from Dune II roughly, but this time told
in video scenes. The main selling point of Dune 2000, however, is
probably the addition of multiplayer options. This game is widely
available. A version for Sony Playstation was released in 1999. For more
information, see:
<http://westwood.ea.com/>
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8.3.4 Emperor: Battle for Dune
The latest RTS game from Westwood, and their first in 3D. Emperor was
released in June 2001, continuing the gameplay and story from Dune II
and Dune 2000. For more information, see the official Web site:
<http://www.duneemperor.com>
I personally recommend:
<http://www.dune2k.com>
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8.3.5 Frank Herbert's Dune
This action/adventure game was developed by Wide Screen Games by Cryo in
December 2001. For more information, see the official Web site:
<http://dune.cryogame.com/>
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8.3.6 Dune Generations
An online strategy game determined to follow Frank Herbert's novels more
accurately than Westwood's licence, Dune Generations is currently
predicted for a First Quarter 2002 release. The game is being developed
by Cryonetworks, a French company (they do not appear to have anything
to do with Cryo). For more information, see the official Web site:
<http://www.dunegenerations.com/>
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8.4 Are there any board games about Dune?
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8.4.1 Avalon Hill
In 1979, Avalon Hill made a board game called "Dune", which has since
gone out of print in English (though a French language edition is still
floating around, and can be ordered in the US from Eurogames), but old
copies can sometimes still be found. It is reportedly quite enjoyable.
The game exists in two versions, one with a big sandworm on the cover,
and one with a scene from a village with a red-haired man, looking like
Sting playing Feyd-Rautha in the 1984 movie, in the foreground. And
right enough, this version was released around the time of the movie.
There are no known differences between the two editions (confirmation of
this would be appreciated). Two modules, "The Duel" and "Spice Harvest,"
were issued at the same time as the second version, and additional
playing cards were printed in Avalon Hill's gaming magazine, the
General.
LIN...@SARA.NL (Rick te Lindert) writes:
Well, I own a French version, and it has a 1992 copyright. So my
assumption is that it is new, and that there used to be no French
version before '92. The French game company is called Jeux Descartes,
and its full address is:
1, rue du Colonel Pierre Avia
75503 Paris Cedex 15
Noteworthy is the fact that the French version contains both modules
(Duel and Spice Harvest) that were separately issued for the original
Avalon Hill version.
r...@aol.com (Richard Irving) writes:
Looks like you need a basic description of the game:
Dune is played with 6 players (the game can handle 5 reasonably well. 4
or fewer players is not recommended.) The games was designed by a group
known as Future Pastimes, who also designed Cosmic Encounter. Many
elements are shared in both games--Dune is basically Cosmic with a map
board.
Each player represents a faction vying for control of Dune. It
reasonably simulates the political situation at the start of Dune. In
the game of Dune: Spice =3D Water =3D Money literally.
The game is played in turn with each of these six phases:
1) Storm Round: The storm is moved around the board counterclockwise up
to six spaces (determined randomly). Any tokens (i.e. troops) and spice
in desert areas swept over by the storm, and removed from the board.
2) Spice Blow: A Spice Card is drawn. If it is a territory card, an
amount of spice blows in that territory. The spice is now available for
pickup. If a worm card is drawn, any tokens or spice left at the last
Spice Blow site are destroyed by the worm. Also alliances can be
formed/changed or broken when a worm card is drawn.
3) Bidding Round: The players will bid (sight unseen) to acquire
Treachery cards. These cards are used in battle (weapons/defenses) or
allow special actions (Weather Control, Family Atomics, Karama,
Truthtrances, etc.) or are sometimes worthless (Jubba Cloak, Trip to
Gamont)
4) Revival/Movement/Shipping: Each player may revive dead tokens from
the Tleilaxu tanks and move one group of tokens on planet and ship one
group of tokens from off planet to the board
5) Battle: If two player end the movement round in the same area, they
must fight. This is done by having each player select secretly:
- A number of tokens (This is done by choosing a number on the combat
wheel)
- A leader disc. (Which have a numerical value. Good leaders, Stilgar
have values of about 7. Poor leaders, like Dr. Yueh are worth only 1.)
- Weapon and/or a defense ( Worthless cards may be substituted for
these.)
The winner of the battle is the side with the higher total of number
dialed plus the vaule of their leader, if the leader survived.
The leader is killed if the opponent plays a weapon (projectile, poison
or Lasgun) and the appropriate defense (shield or snooper) is not
played. The winner loses the number of tokens he dialed. The loser loses
all of his tokens (even if he dialed less). The leaders are lost only if
killed. The winner receives spice from the leaders that are killed.
There are two other things to note:
- If a Lasgun and Shield are both played in the same battle, they blow
up destroying everything in the area.
- At the beginning of the game, each faction chooses a leader of another
faction (the choices are randomly drawn at the start) to be a traitor to
him. If the traitorous leader is played in the battle, that side
automatically loses and winner takes no losses.
6) Spice Collection: After all battles, any factions that have tokens in
the same area as spice may harvest it at the rate of 2 spice per token.
The object of the game is control any 3 or the 5 "Strongholds"
(Arrakeen, Carthag and 3 sietches) at the end of any turn. When playing
with alliances, many people increase the number of strongholds needed
for the win.
What makes the game work, though, are the powers each faction has which
allows the faction special abilities:
- Atreides (Prescience): May look at Treachery cards before they are bid
on and spice blow card a turn early. May ask one element of the
opponent's battle plans.
- Bene Gesserit (Voice and religion): Gets a free "religious advisor"
sent down with other player's shipments to the planet and alms. In
battle, may voice the opponent into using (or not using) a particular
weapon or defense. Make a secret prophecy on who will win and what
turn--If correct they win, not the presumptive winner. Can "co-exist"
without causing battle. May use worthless cards as Karama cards.
- Emperor (wealth): gets all spice paid by the other players in the
bidding round. (This means he should NEVER run out of money.) Has 5
Sardaukar tokens which are worth double in battle (except vs. Fremen).
- Fremen (Native knowledge): May move 2 spaces, not just 1. Rides worm
instead of being eaten. Survives storm and gets a forecast (by drawing
the amount it will go a turn a head) 3 Fedaykin double strength tokens.
"Ships" tokens from far side of Dune and thus avoids having to pay the
Guild.
- Guild (Shipping): All other players (except Fremen and free BG
advisors) must pay the Guild to ship to the planet. The Guild pays half
rates to the bank and may ship from one on planet location to another.
May perform his turn at any time in the turn order, rather than wait for
his regular turn. Will also win if he prevents anyone else from winning
for 15 turns.
- Harkonnen (Treachery): Gets free treachery cards when he wins a card
in bidding. Is allowed to hold extra treachery cards. Selects up to 4
leaders to be traitors, not just one. After winning battles, may
randomly kidnap an opposing leader who is either forced to be used for
one battle or sold immediately to the tanks.
What makes the game so great is the delicate balance-of- power. Often
times, each player is forced to prevent someone else from winning.
Wonderful game.
The Duel adds kanly duels and the War of Assassins. Each player has to
risk a leader in each of these events and the other players can bet on
the outcome. Each battle is fought on a separate arena board with cards
that represent various attacks/feints/moves, etc.
Spice Harvest adds a minigame to mix up the standard opening positions.
One player (harvest master) secretly determines and secretly distributes
a spice harvest. (He can distribute less than full amount and keep the
remainder for himself) The other players either accept their share or
may dispute the distribution. If the distribution was honest (or at
least majority think it was honest), the harvest master keeps the
disputed shares. If it was dishonest and a majority of players dispute
it, the disputing parties get the disputed amount and the harvest
masters cut to split among themselves and elect a new harvest master.
After 5 rounds, the players buy either numbers of tokens and a specific
starting location and keep any spice left over.
Response to the expansions is mixed. Some players enjoy them. Others
(like myself) think they add length to an already long game and harm the
finely tuned balance of the game.
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8.4.2 Parker Bros.
Parker Bros. also released a Dune game, released in connection with the
movie. sa...@htonight.jpl.nasa.gov (Dean St.Antoine) writes:
Dune Adventure game - by Parker Brothers (C)1984
Object: To eliminate all enemy characters and be the only player to have
at least one character remaining at the end of the game. Use your Spice,
Harvesters, Kanly cards, and Equipment cards to assist you in reaching
this ultimate role.
The game board represents the water-starved planet of Dune. The spaces
that form the inner circle of the board represent the castle of the
rulers of Dune. The spaces surrounding the outer walls of the castle
represent the hazardous sand-covered terrain of Dune.
Castle Spaces: Space Guild, Smuggler, Traitor, Bene Gesserit, Poison,
Spice raid, and Training.
Desert spaces: Sietch, Spice, Duel, Worm and Sand Storm.
All in all this board game is worth having if you are a true Dune fan.
It's a 2 to 4 player game with players playing a 3-character group.
1) Paul Atreides, Gurney Halleck, Duke Leto Atreides.
2) Beast Rabban, Baron Harkonnen, Feyd-Rautha.
3) Sardaukar Warrior, Princess Irulan, Emperor Shaddam IV.
4) Dr. Kynes, Stilgar, Chani.
The pieces are quite nice and have each person's picture in the middle.
The spice is represented by the plastic pieces used in the game "Risk".
The game is based on the motion picture "Dune". Pick this game up if you
find one. :)
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8.5 Are there any collectible card games (CCGs/TCGs) about Dune?
Yes, Last Unicorn Games produced a collectible card game (trading card
game: TCG) called "Dune: Eye of the Storm," released by Five Rings
Publishing Group Inc. It has now been cancelled
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8.6 Are there any role-playing games (RPGs) about Dune?
A Dune GURPS (Generic Universal Role Playing System) campaign has been
produced and put on-line at:
<http://www.erinyes.org/gurps/dune/>
A French fanzine called TMT has made a Dune-based RPG to be found at:
<http://dune.jdr.free.fr/indexbis.htm>
A Dune (and particularly "God Emperor of Dune") fan has set up some
rules for an RPG called "The Fish Speaker":
<http://www.geocities.com/thefishspeaker/>
The company that produced the Dune CCG, Last Unicorn Games, also made a
Dune RPG: "Dune: Chronicles of the Imperium." This game was released in
a limited edition at GenCon 2000. However, Last Unicorn Games were
bought by Wizards of the Coast, and the game was finally cancelled. The
core rulebook was to be followed by a narrator's guide, sourcebooks and
scripted games. Sadly, these will now never be. The GenCon edition is
sometimes for sale on auction sites, but expect to pay a hefty price as
it is very much a collectors item.
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8.7 Are there any fan-created games about Dune?
Yes. Apart from the MU*s already mentioned, Ty Beard has created a
miniatures game called "A Fistful of Sardaukar". It is available on his
website:
<http://www.tyler.net/tbeard/home.htm>
Samo has made a wargame called "Dune: The Spice War". It can be viewed
on his homepage:
<http://space.tin.it/internet/samosa/samogames/index.htm>
Community online games in a Dune setting come and go. These are some
that are currently active:
Dune: The Next Chapter
<http://www.dunethenextchapter.com/>
Dune: Jihad
<http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dunejihadrpg>
Arrakis - Dune
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Arrakis-Dune/>
Dune Online RPG
<http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/duneonlinerpg>
Dune Online RPG Arrakis
<http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/duneonlinerpgarrakis>
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"Ultimately, all things are known
because you want to believe you know."
Frank Herbert