The Baron versus the Duke
Tony
Atreides?
Freakzilla
> Who was best the more effective leader: the Baron Harkonnen or Duke Leto
> Atreides?
Obviously, the Baron. You're comparing two completely different
styles of leadership. The Duke commanded through loyalty and trust
while the Baron commanded through fear and treachery. Also, the
Baron's subjects were much more numerous that the Atreides.
Tony
"Freakzilla" <jl...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:
On Dec 18, 12:37 pm, "Tony" <t...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Who was best the more effective leader: the Baron Harkonnen or Duke Leto
> Atreides?
"Obviously, the Baron. You're comparing two completely different
styles of leadership. "
Yes.
"The Duke commanded through loyalty and trust
while the Baron commanded through fear and treachery. Also, the
Baron's subjects were much more numerous that the Atreides."
Are you saying that the Baron's leadership style was more effective because he
had secured more subjects?
Freakzilla
No, I'm saying his style was very different. I'd say the fear and
treachery were what was effective.
Tony
I know the Baron was richer and was able to capture Duke Leto, and persuade
Thufir to work for him. He used threats and intimidation to influence Feyd, but
that project was ultimately unsuccessful. In fact, the Baron was killed by Duke
Leto's daughter, while his heir was killed by Duke Leto's son. Do not this
later facts argue that the Duke's leadership style was ultimately more effective
than the Baron's?
Freakzilla
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Duke Leto dying in front of the Baron's eyes = Harkonnen win.
Besides, the Baron ended up possessing and driving that Atreides
daughter to suicide and Paul's victory led to civil war. But the
survival of both up to those points were not due to Duke Leto's style
of leadership but to the way prepared for them by the Bene Gesserit
Missionaria Protectiva.
Tony
Sure, the Lady Jessica guided her son in the Bene Gesserit Way. But would you
agree with "A Child's History of Muad'Dib" that Duke Leto's qualities as a
father have long been overlooked?
Freakzilla
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I don't think there are enough examples of him being a father to judge.
Giovanni Wassen
> Who was best the more effective leader: the Baron Harkonnen or Duke
> Leto Atreides?
Atreides. They seemed to follow him out of loyalty.
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Tony
"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:
> Tony wrote:
>
>> Who was best the more effective leader: the Baron Harkonnen or Duke
>> Leto Atreides?
>
> Atreides. They seemed to follow him out of loyalty.
>
> --
I believe that Liet Kynes might agree with your assessment:
"And Kynes, returning the stare, found himself troubled by a fact he had
observed here: This Duke was concerned more over the men that he was over the
spice. He risked his own life and that of his son to save the men. He passed
off the loss of a spice crawler with a gesture. The threat to men's lives had
him in a rage.
A leader such as that would command fanatic loyalty. He would be difficult to
defeat. "
Zach Edwardson
victory, and though the careful training of his son, eliminated the
Baron and his household, something that the Baron, even in his highest
moments was unable to do.